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(WVEC)   Apparently there are a few people out there that didn't get the memo so I'm going to say this one more time. Never, never, NEVER buy a house in a community with a HOA   (wvec.com) divider line 207
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2013-11-27 04:05:11 PM  
Not a very interesting story, as far as HOA dramas are concerned.  At least not this reporting of it.
 
2013-11-27 04:49:41 PM  
HOA thread?

cdn.nextimpulsesports.com
 
2013-11-27 05:04:18 PM  
If they agree to something, get it in writing and get it notarized.
 
2013-11-27 05:15:55 PM  
Still haven't had any issues with mine, despite letting my yard periodically turn into a jungle.
 
2013-11-27 05:18:26 PM  
He built a Koi pond in his backyard on Holbrook Drive in Newport News eight years ago.
Every year, he says, the association has approved his yard.


So what changed? No grandfather rule? How am I supposed to feel outraged when there's so much missing information?
 
2013-11-27 05:19:28 PM  
Bah, HOAs are good for separating the nazis from the rest of humanity
 
2013-11-27 05:20:37 PM  

EvilEgg: If they agree to something, get it in writing and get it notarized.


Like when homeowners buy a home in an HOA?
 
2013-11-27 05:21:05 PM  
WooooHoooo! It's my first green light after 5 years of trying.

Also, I was a HOA board member for one year and those bastards are as petty and corrupt as everyone thinks. I sold my house just to get away from them.
 
2013-11-27 05:22:45 PM  
HOA's often operate like another level of government, they should be banned at a federal level simply because there are already too many levels of regulating bodies in existence.
 
2013-11-27 05:23:01 PM  
I live in a neighborhood without an HOA, and we've got everything from commercial truck tractors to delapidated buses parked in dirt yards of dry weeds and trash.

/still better than having some busybody tell me what to do.
 
2013-11-27 05:23:02 PM  
I AM OUTRAGED!! HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO LIVE WITHOUT A KOI POND?!!!
/nobody told this entitled jerk to move there
//rich people problems
///I have an aquarium
 
2013-11-27 05:23:25 PM  

blast yer scuppers: WooooHoooo! It's my first green light after 5 years of trying.

Also, I was a HOA board member for one year and those bastards are as petty and corrupt as everyone thinks. I sold my house just to get away from them.


Congrats!

And fark you for stirring up a hornet nest!
 
2013-11-27 05:23:30 PM  
Bait and Switch article wants us to tune in at 11:00 to get the details.

I, too, am interested in the part about "approved eight years ago, and each year since"... Wait, what? Annual inspections? Fark that noise.
 
2013-11-27 05:23:50 PM  
My HOA is fine. I don't really talk to, or know, my neighbors and I pay my yearly dues without incident. Perhaps don't move into a neighborhood of retired busybodies that measure the height of your lawn while you're at work.
 
2013-11-27 05:23:56 PM  

fusillade762: He built a Koi pond in his backyard on Holbrook Drive in Newport News eight years ago.
Every year, he says, the association has approved his yard.

So what changed? No grandfather rule? How am I supposed to feel outraged when there's so much missing information?


Yup. For all we know, his Koi pond could have fallen into disrepair and neglected to the point where it was green and attracting mosquitos. Or the HOA could have gotten new board members and the new guys are power hungry jerks. We just don't know.
 
2013-11-27 05:24:43 PM  
Newport News. Abra Capocus. Hocus Cadabra. Walla Walla Washington.
 
2013-11-27 05:26:02 PM  

studebaker hoch: I live in a neighborhood without an HOA, and we've got everything from commercial truck tractors to delapidated buses parked in dirt yards of dry weeds and trash.

/still better than having some busybody tell me what to do.


 Most of that stuff is probably against local municipality codes already and doesn't require an HOA to fix - just someone to complain to the local code enforcement agency.
 
2013-11-27 05:26:43 PM  

DubyaHater: My HOA is fine. I don't really talk to, or know, my neighbors and I pay my yearly dues without incident. Perhaps don't move into a neighborhood of retired busybodies that measure the height of your lawn while you're at work.


Catch the part in the video about how the homeowner is willing to clear everything off the property, remove the koi pond and fill it in, and replace the grass... and the HOA still isn't satisfied.

There's a lot more to this story than either side has come forward with.

/should be fun to read if they ever do
 
2013-11-27 05:26:43 PM  
I have nothing but high praise for my HOA. They keep the neighborhood neat and tidy. If more police and government officials were more like the HOA, the crime rates would be significantly smaller.
 
2013-11-27 05:27:20 PM  
My HOA is fine. I'm not retarded so I read things before I sign them. Sorry to hear about your condition, though, subs.
 
2013-11-27 05:27:29 PM  

fusillade762: He built a Koi pond in his backyard on Holbrook Drive in Newport News eight years ago.
Every year, he says, the association has approved his yard.

So what changed? No grandfather rule? How am I supposed to feel outraged when there's so much missing information?


we need to tune in wpex or whatthefarker at 6pm to find out the rest of the story

but, after 8 years of no issue, and really, if it was approved the first time eight years ago, why does it have to come up for review every farking year?

seems as though the HOA has a new president that the home owner may be having a squabble with
 
2013-11-27 05:27:31 PM  
our hoa sent a letter complaining about growing weeds in the front planting area.
gave me a month to fix it.
we were growing wildflowers
they bloomed in 2 weeks and we got a 'thank you for fixing the problem' card

you betcha, happy to help
 
2013-11-27 05:28:17 PM  
The cities love HOAs because then they aren't responsible for the neighborhood parks and common areas. So you get that much less service from your tax dollars and you get the privilege of paying HOA fees to pay for what the city should be providing in the first place.
 
2013-11-27 05:29:13 PM  

Hector Remarkable: Newport News. Abra Capocus. Hocus Cadabra. Walla Walla Washington.


And Kalamazoo.
 
2013-11-27 05:31:05 PM  
8200 HOA..

IN VIRGINIA
 
2013-11-27 05:32:32 PM  
How about a voluntary HOA? We have a voluntary one, which I guess is actually called a neighborhood association as HOAs didn't exist when the houses were built (1920s). It's actually kind of nice to have people interested in the neighborhood and instituting historical guidelines for house alterations but not fining you $20 because I can see you recycling bin from the street.
 
2013-11-27 05:33:28 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Bah, HOAs are good for separating the nazis from the rest of humanity


I think I finally just heard the first justification for a HOA that I ever liked.
 
2013-11-27 05:34:46 PM  

skozlaw: My HOA is fine. I'm not retarded so I read things before I sign them. Sorry to hear about your condition, though, subs.


Your HOA is fine now, but nothing says it won't go to hell next year.
 
2013-11-27 05:35:21 PM  

Samwise Gamgee: studebaker hoch: I live in a neighborhood without an HOA, and we've got everything from commercial truck tractors to delapidated buses parked in dirt yards of dry weeds and trash.

/still better than having some busybody tell me what to do.

 Most of that stuff is probably against local municipality codes already and doesn't require an HOA to fix - just someone to complain to the local code enforcement agency.


You say this but have you ever actually tried?  I ask because my areas "enforcement agency" was one guy who covered a pretty broad area and even informed me that his powers were limited and easy to get around.  He also said, of the things that were beyond his jurisdiction, that we could call the police but they likely wouldn't take any action since they have better things to do.

I've lived in two houses with an HOA and one without.  Any issue the HOA's had with me were all minor and never got beyond a warning.  I can't even remember what they are now.  The problems I had with homes in the non-HOA all fell within the "we have bigger issues to deal with" category of local enforcement but would have gotten an HOA beat down if we had one.
 
2013-11-27 05:35:25 PM  

blast yer scuppers: The cities love HOAs because then they aren't responsible for the neighborhood parks and common areas. So you get that much less service from your tax dollars and you get the privilege of paying HOA fees to pay for what the city should be providing in the first place.


And the problem with HOAs is that if (when) they go rogue you're screwed. The HOA guys are your neighbours, it's personal and there's no appeal. With a city (a) it's not personal and (b) there will be laws, a procedure and an appeals process.
 
2013-11-27 05:36:21 PM  
Sorry, but if I want to glue sparkly dildos all over my abode and paint it a pus-colored yellowish green, it's my farkin' right. HOAs are petty dictators, striving to ensure nothing eccentric and cool ever exists. They are, in truth, worse than Hitler.

/Godwined FTW!
 
2013-11-27 05:36:27 PM  

Samwise Gamgee: studebaker hoch: I live in a neighborhood without an HOA, and we've got everything from commercial truck tractors to delapidated buses parked in dirt yards of dry weeds and trash.

/still better than having some busybody tell me what to do.

 Most of that stuff is probably against local municipality codes already and doesn't require an HOA to fix - just someone to complain to the local code enforcement agency.


Not to get into an e-argument or anything, I just want to point out that city code enforcement officials are not known for being timely or efficient. In fact they're pretty much the exact opposite. 

Of course it depends on the severity of the situation, but someone's run-down koi pond or tractors in a front yard is probably going to be very low on the list.
 
2013-11-27 05:37:25 PM  
citythatbreeds.com
 
2013-11-27 05:38:42 PM  
Can't live up to a contract?  Don't move into a HOA home.

Show up for every meeting.  See a copy of the books every quarter.  Get E.O.Y. report.  All those activities might be a eight hour investment per year.

What is this great intellectual chasm that these folks can't bridge?
 
2013-11-27 05:40:09 PM  
We told our realtor no HOA or CC&Rs. We wouldn't even consider those kinds of properties.
 
2013-11-27 05:40:30 PM  

fusillade762: So what changed?


I'd guess different people on the board.  And enough of them don't like koi ponds.  And if they don't like it, it is against the rules.  That's how some of those hoa nazis think.
 
2013-11-27 05:40:52 PM  
Fill the pond with piranha and move.
 
2013-11-27 05:41:30 PM  

2wolves: Can't live up to a contract?  Don't move into a HOA home.

Show up for every meeting.  See a copy of the books every quarter.  Get E.O.Y. report.  All those activities might be a eight hour investment per year.

What is this great intellectual chasm that these folks can't bridge?


According to this story, the person being sued did pretty much that. Approved for 8 years. Suddenly someone on the HOA board has a hardon for him, so the "rules" change.

Intellectual chasm indeed...
 
2013-11-27 05:42:16 PM  
Garlette, known as "Captain Compost,"

Quick, Manureboy!  To the Compostmobile!
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2013-11-27 05:42:39 PM  
No big deal, here. There's only about a dozen of us.  Only two are interested in gardening, so they work out to do with the grounds while the rest of us just agree not to paint our exterior walls in weird colors.

I can see where an HOA with authority over larger collection could get out of control just like anything else, though.
 
2013-11-27 05:43:18 PM  

mediablitz: 2wolves: Can't live up to a contract?  Don't move into a HOA home.

Show up for every meeting.  See a copy of the books every quarter.  Get E.O.Y. report.  All those activities might be a eight hour investment per year.

What is this great intellectual chasm that these folks can't bridge?

According to this story, the person being sued did pretty much that. Approved for 8 years. Suddenly someone on the HOA board has a hardon for him, so the "rules" change.

Intellectual chasm indeed...


And if that is the case, we've only heard his side, he would have good standing to counter sue.  So far it's all an exercise in selective outrage.
 
2013-11-27 05:45:19 PM  

2wolves: mediablitz: 2wolves: Can't live up to a contract?  Don't move into a HOA home.

Show up for every meeting.  See a copy of the books every quarter.  Get E.O.Y. report.  All those activities might be a eight hour investment per year.

What is this great intellectual chasm that these folks can't bridge?

According to this story, the person being sued did pretty much that. Approved for 8 years. Suddenly someone on the HOA board has a hardon for him, so the "rules" change.

Intellectual chasm indeed...

And if that is the case, we've only heard his side, he would have good standing to counter sue.  So far it's all an exercise in selective outrage.


And you selectively outraged in favor of "he's stupid. It's his fault". You also didn't read the article, which has a lawyer pointing out suing is rarely a workable option.

Congrats on your selective outrage and inability to read!
 
2013-11-27 05:46:59 PM  
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My sister and her husband bought a house 5 years ago with an HOA, it was about $250. They would have bought the condo they were previously renting, but the HOA there was $350. This year the HOA told them they had mismanaged the funds and ran out of money (no working reserve) so their new HOA fee will be $750...have a nice day!"

I'm assuming nobody in the HOA actually bothered showing up to vote against this, or they are all idiots.

Now ... good luck to her even buying a new place and selling a house with $750/month HOA


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2013-11-27 05:47:57 PM  
My favorite "fark the hoa" story.

Guy wants to paint his house.  His color choice is not on the approved list.  Not a weird color, just too limited of a list.  The HOA refuses to grant an exception.  He pours over the rules and notices a loophole.  Black was supposed to be listed as an allowed trim, but bad wording makes it an approved color for the base.  So he paints his house all black.  HOA goes ape-shiat and demands he repaint.  He refuses.  They threaten him with fines and a lawsuit.  He has his lawyer point out he followed their very strict rules.  Eventually the HOA relents on his color choice so he paints with the color he originally wanted.

Kind of an expensive way to make a point, but I like his style.  I assume the HOA fixed the wording so that wouldn't happen again.
 
2013-11-27 05:48:23 PM  

Gifted Many Few: I have nothing but high praise for my HOA. They keep the neighborhood neat and tidy. If more police and government officials were more like the HOA, the crime rates would be significantly smaller.


What, you can't mow your own lawn and trim your own trees? Lazy, man. Lazy. But, I guess people like having another layer of control over themselves. Enjoy. It's not for me.
 
2013-11-27 05:48:42 PM  
As someone who manages HOA's for a living I can honestly say, they are not that bad.
 
2013-11-27 05:49:15 PM  
Especially an HOA with a Tulpa.

www.blastr.com
 
2013-11-27 05:49:19 PM  
Nothing wrong with most HOAs.  Sure, there are some bad eggs and maybe guidelines for where you can put your dish or what color you paint your home feel bad, but you'll be happy when you sell your home for more money.
 
2013-11-27 05:49:39 PM  
I won't knock HOA as a concept. But I don't like that lifestyle. I like the fact that I have more control over my yard. I also feel that people should read things before they sign. I even know that locally it is common in purchase agreements that you have a certain amount of time to review the rules and you can even back out of the deal if you do not want to follow them.

But what steams me is when the power grows. There are stories of groups deciding on stricter rules. So the homeowner who disagrees is screwed. Because the vote to approve went to the majority. I also get steamed when the interpretation changes. Like this article. He was fine for 8 years but not now?

But the best thing about HOAs is that I can put you in an accurate pigeon hole if you like them. NTTAWWT. Let's face it, it is win-win. "Free-spirits" can live with other like minded people and those who value a fine trimmed lawn with regulation landscaping also are happy.
 
2013-11-27 05:50:48 PM  

2wolves: mediablitz: 2wolves: Can't live up to a contract?  Don't move into a HOA home.

Show up for every meeting.  See a copy of the books every quarter.  Get E.O.Y. report.  All those activities might be a eight hour investment per year.

What is this great intellectual chasm that these folks can't bridge?

According to this story, the person being sued did pretty much that. Approved for 8 years. Suddenly someone on the HOA board has a hardon for him, so the "rules" change.

Intellectual chasm indeed...

And if that is the case, we've only heard his side, he would have good standing to counter sue.  So far it's all an exercise in selective outrage.


I'm going to side with the owner since the HOA has decided a 300K lawsuit is necessary. For rules violations. Let that sink in for a second then try to build a scenario where the HOA would be justified. And present it to us please.
 
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