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(PC Magazine)   Black Friday deals aren't just soul-crushing examples of rampant human consumerism, they also aren't that good   (pcmag.com ) divider line
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2013-11-27 12:49:13 PM  
I have no idea how, I think it was an oversight, but I somehow managed to dodge getting scheduled at my Walmart tomorrow. Thank everything holy.
 
2013-11-27 12:52:07 PM  
I'm closing tonight and work again thanksgiving for 2+1/2 times pay for 5 hrs. I still have to work black Friday but socks 50% off is hard to pass up.
 
2013-11-27 12:52:28 PM  
My plan is to sit at home and try to be fast on the trigger for the Amazon deals. No need to stand out in the cold Thanksgiving day for crappy deals.

/Prime FTW
 
2013-11-27 12:53:09 PM  
So, basically, the article says all black friday sales are terrible because one particular sale at walmart on a TV wasn't all that great of a deal.

Got it.
 
2013-11-27 12:56:03 PM  
Worst kept secret evar.
 
2013-11-27 12:59:31 PM  
Last year, my Target opened up at 12:00AM for black Friday.  I had just driven back in town from a day with the family, and all I wanted  was some beer and a pizza, and since Target was open, I swung in.  However, Target would not sell me beer.  Though it was legal to do so until 2:00AM, they said that they could not sell alcohol during the early open black Friday event.

Screw black Friday.
 
2013-11-27 01:00:02 PM  
I saw something about a family camping out since last thursday to get in at Best Buy. It seems like they are going to save 300 dollars on the allready marked down items.

Their time is worth very little. Could've gotten a seasonal job and made that 300 in that week. Could've gotten it at a department store and received an employee discount.
 
2013-11-27 01:02:55 PM  
I've observed that Black Friday isn't about the deals; it's about the hunt for deals and the shared social experience. People love being able to tell stories about how crazy they were and what lengths they went to in order to acquire presents, and so forth.

The people who are just looking for deals have learned that online shopping is the way to go. The farkwits who are going to camp outside of Best Buy, Walmart and Target all day Thanksgiving to be first in line to save $100 on a TV are the same sorts of people who attend midnight releases for video game consoles -- people with too much time on their hands who want a tale to tell.
 
2013-11-27 01:04:40 PM  
Obvious tag out lining up for deals or...?
 
2013-11-27 01:05:46 PM  

A Leaf in Fall: Last year, my Target opened up at 12:00AM for black Friday.  I had just driven back in town from a day with the family, and all I wanted  was some beer and a pizza, and since Target was open, I swung in.  However, Target would not sell me beer.  Though it was legal to do so until 2:00AM, they said that they could not sell alcohol during the early open black Friday event.

Screw black Friday.


heh.  in the one-horse town I used to live in up in Tennessee, I stopped off at a gas station to buy a six pack of beer.  now, this was a tuesday at around 7-8 pm around 7 years ago.  i was told they couldn't sell me beer because it was an election day, and alcohol sales were suspended on election days.


is that a thing anywhere else?  people getting drunk and causing problems on election days?
 
2013-11-27 01:06:49 PM  
I couldn't help but peruse the Walmart ads.  What really caught my eye wasn't so much a particular sale or savings, but what was on sale, when.  Particularly the first wave, which is at 6pm on Thanksgiving.  These items, by and large, were depressingly mundane....the $4.50 waffle iron territory.  Maybe to you, the shopper, it's a good deal, but is the $4.50 wafflemaker really that incredible deal that makes you feel ok about making people work at 6pm on Thanksgiving?   $1 iPads....sure...I'm morally flexible.  But making some poor retail clerk have to give up family time for crappy waffle iron...that's just cruel.
 
2013-11-27 01:11:26 PM  
It has no online services or apps (which, even if you don't use them, are features that should be considered standard if you're picking up a HDTV today).

No.

I was going to add more detail to my comment, but I think "No" actually sums up my thoughts on the matter pretty well.
 
kab
2013-11-27 01:13:56 PM  

thurstonxhowell: It has no online services or apps (which, even if you don't use them, are features that should be considered standard if you're picking up a HDTV today).

No.

I was going to add more detail to my comment, but I think "No" actually sums up my thoughts on the matter pretty well.


Agreed.   I want a good picture on my TV, not an onboard farking variant of angry birds.
 
2013-11-27 01:14:58 PM  

frepnog: heh.  in the one-horse town I used to live in up in Tennessee, I stopped off at a gas station to buy a six pack of beer.  now, this was a tuesday at around 7-8 pm around 7 years ago.  i was told they couldn't sell me beer because it was an election day, and alcohol sales were suspended on election days.


is that a thing anywhere else?  people getting drunk and causing problems on election days?


My family is from TN, and I lived there for a while, and it seems like everyone is just on a hair trigger and will get in a fight over the smallest things, so they probably at one point had issues with brawls at the polls caused by people getting drunk beforehand and then picking fights. Hell, that kid who went crazy and then raped and killed his teacher in Boston? From Tennessee. Apparently she made some sort of comment about the state and instead of having a sense of humor like most people, he thought he had to make her pay. For some reason a huge chunk of the state has anger management issues like that, which is one reason I'm glad I left for the west coast once I got out of college.
 
2013-11-27 01:16:00 PM  
Anyone else get the PCMag screen ad asking you to enter an email for the "Best Black Friday and Cyber Monday deals?"

Kind of an interesting place for that to pop up...
 
2013-11-27 01:16:07 PM  

kab: thurstonxhowell: It has no online services or apps (which, even if you don't use them, are features that should be considered standard if you're picking up a HDTV today).

No.

I was going to add more detail to my comment, but I think "No" actually sums up my thoughts on the matter pretty well.

Agreed.   I want a good picture on my TV, not an onboard farking variant of angry birds.


Yes, the Mitsubishi I bought a couple a years ago was "internet enabled", I'm still not sure why the fark I would plug my TV into the internet.
 
2013-11-27 01:17:06 PM  

Nuclear Monk: I couldn't help but peruse the Walmart ads. What really caught my eye wasn't so much a particular sale or savings, but what was on sale, when. Particularly the first wave, which is at 6pm on Thanksgiving. These items, by and large, were depressingly mundane....the $4.50 waffle iron territory. Maybe to you, the shopper, it's a good deal, but is the $4.50 wafflemaker really that incredible deal that makes you feel ok about making people work at 6pm on Thanksgiving? $1 iPads....sure...I'm morally flexible. But making some poor retail clerk have to give up family time for crappy waffle iron...that's just cruel.


Well, compared to what we make people who MAKE that shiat do, working on Thanksgiving ain't so bad.
 
zez
2013-11-27 01:18:21 PM  
Does it really matter that the TV has one HDMI port? I only use one on my TV, everything else plugs into the stereo receiver that has around 8 or 9 of them.
 
2013-11-27 01:21:57 PM  

zez: Does it really matter that the TV has one HDMI port? I only use one on my TV, everything else plugs into the stereo receiver that has around 8 or 9 of them.


the hell is a stereo receiver - it receives a stereo?
 
2013-11-27 01:24:12 PM  

kab: thurstonxhowell: It has no online services or apps (which, even if you don't use them, are features that should be considered standard if you're picking up a HDTV today).

No.

I was going to add more detail to my comment, but I think "No" actually sums up my thoughts on the matter pretty well.

Agreed.   I want a good picture on my TV, not an onboard farking variant of angry birds.


That is what kills me about high end TVs. I bought a Samsung 8000 series TV a few years ago, and I never have used their crappy built in internet features because everything I plug into it does a better job of browsing the web and playing streaming media, but it added at least a hundred bucks to the price of the TV. I really wish they made a high end HDTV monitor that was stripped down to just the basics of a top of the line panel and some HDMI inputs. I don't even really need speakers, because I have a speaker system hooked up. They used to make those back in the day, but now you have to get the kitchen sink thrown in if you want a high end panel with a skinny frame like with the Samsungs.

And funnily enough, I got my TV from Amazon back in the holiday season of 2011, a few weeks after the big Black Friday sales. It was a pretty good deal all told because I grabbed it for $1850 after all the discounts, and the current model with only a marginally better panel is running $2200. Sure the newer model has a webcam with voice and gesture control, but my new Xbox One does all of that much better.
 
2013-11-27 01:25:12 PM  

Mad_Radhu: frepnog: heh.  in the one-horse town I used to live in up in Tennessee, I stopped off at a gas station to buy a six pack of beer.  now, this was a tuesday at around 7-8 pm around 7 years ago.  i was told they couldn't sell me beer because it was an election day, and alcohol sales were suspended on election days.


is that a thing anywhere else?  people getting drunk and causing problems on election days?

My family is from TN, and I lived there for a while, and it seems like everyone is just on a hair trigger and will get in a fight over the smallest things, so they probably at one point had issues with brawls at the polls caused by people getting drunk beforehand and then picking fights. Hell, that kid who went crazy and then raped and killed his teacher in Boston? From Tennessee. Apparently she made some sort of comment about the state and instead of having a sense of humor like most people, he thought he had to make her pay. For some reason a huge chunk of the state has anger management issues like that, which is one reason I'm glad I left for the west coast once I got out of college.


West coast is the best coast.
 
2013-11-27 01:25:40 PM  
FTA: "For $700, even at 55 inches, that's not a good deal."

I agree, but they aren't looking that hard for deals. While it wasn't as big of a TV, amazon's lightening deal yesterday was a 40 inch vizio TV for $169, shipped. That's a sweet deal.
 
2013-11-27 01:26:50 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Well, compared to what we make people who MAKE that shiat do, working on Thanksgiving ain't so bad.


Honestly, it really isn't quite so bad compared to the OTHER crap you have to do to make a living in China. Working the rice fields 12 hours a day isn't a picnic, either, which is why people are lined up to take those Foxconn jobs.
 
2013-11-27 01:29:52 PM  
This guy is really hung up on HDMI ports isn't he?
 
2013-11-27 01:31:09 PM  

viscountalpha: West coast is the best coast.


Another fun fact, when I was visiting my hometown in TN the summer before last, there was a head shop downtown that actually had to put a sign in the window telling people they did not sell bath salts. They apparently had a sizable amount of people in a town with a population of 65,000 people that were clamoring to buy bath salts.
 
2013-11-27 01:33:50 PM  

kab: thurstonxhowell: It has no online services or apps (which, even if you don't use them, are features that should be considered standard if you're picking up a HDTV today).

No.

I was going to add more detail to my comment, but I think "No" actually sums up my thoughts on the matter pretty well.

Agreed.   I want a good picture on my TV, not an onboard farking variant of angry birds.


I review HDTVs (and can tell from the pixels blah blah blah), and even if you don't touch the online apps, the fact that they're there indicate that the model isn't a low-end piece of crap. This doesn't apply to brands that are crappy (like Insignia) but stuff in half-assed services, but comparing a Toshiba or Samsung screen with no apps to a higher-end one with apps? The panel is simply better. Not MUCH better for the Toshiba, because they're not great, but you'll see more brightness and better blacks, and colors will be less likely to be skewed. Online apps aren't a feature, they're a cautiously optimistic flag.

Mad_Radhu: That is what kills me about high end TVs. I bought a Samsung 8000 series TV a few years ago, and I never have used their crappy built in internet features because everything I plug into it does a better job of browsing the web and playing streaming media, but it added at least a hundred bucks to the price of the TV. I really wish they made a high end HDTV monitor that was stripped down to just the basics of a top of the line panel and some HDMI inputs. I don't even really need speakers, because I have a speaker system hooked up. They used to make those back in the day, but now you have to get the kitchen sink thrown in if you want a high end panel with a skinny frame like with the Samsungs.


Pretty much. I'd LOVE to get a panel that's as good as a Samsung F8500 plasma but without the apps, the camera, the design, all of that crap. It's just not possible. If you want the great picture, you're going to pay for the feature set that comes with it. It would be a brilliant move to see HDTV companies make enthusiast-oriented models, even ones they only sold themselves and weren't available at retail, which were just the high-end panels and video processing with none of the apps.

Mad_Radhu: And funnily enough, I got my TV from Amazon back in the holiday season of 2011, a few weeks after the big Black Friday sales. It was a pretty good deal all told because I grabbed it for $1850 after all the discounts, and the current model with only a marginally better panel is running $2200. Sure the newer model has a webcam with voice and gesture control, but my new Xbox One does all of that much better.


How awesome is that voice control? Gesture control still sucks, but it's freaking awesome to say "Xbox on," sign in automatically, then browse Netflix without picking up the controller. I just wish the Xbox One controller was nearly as perfect as the DualShock 4.
 
2013-11-27 01:34:47 PM  

kab: thurstonxhowell: It has no online services or apps (which, even if you don't use them, are features that should be considered standard if you're picking up a HDTV today).

No.

I was going to add more detail to my comment, but I think "No" actually sums up my thoughts on the matter pretty well.

Agreed.   I want a good picture on my TV, not an onboard farking variant of angry birds.


This. Some devices I want 'dumb' and just do what they're supposed to do, and not run apps or whatever.
 
2013-11-27 01:36:38 PM  

zez: Does it really matter that the TV has one HDMI port? I only use one on my TV, everything else plugs into the stereo receiver that has around 8 or 9 of them.


Depends on where you are putting the TV. For my living room, we have everything running through the receiver, but for our bedroom TV we don't have a lot of space so we just use the speaker on the TV so we need multiple ports for different devices.
 
2013-11-27 01:37:28 PM  

Mad_Radhu: there was a head shop downtown that actually had to put a sign in the window telling people they did not sell bath salts.


my guess is that they at one time DID sell them, and put the sign up indicating that they no longer sold the poison.

a couple of shops around here have signs that say "no herbal smoking blends sold here" because they used to sell that spice crap, but do not sell it any longer.

/as an aside - was in a shop last year looking at t-shirts.  there was a steady stream of people buying that herbal incense stuff the entire time I was in there.
 
2013-11-27 01:39:05 PM  

degenerate-afro: This guy is really hung up on HDMI ports isn't he?


I think it's a good point to make. It's something you can easily overlook when purchasing a 'deal' but later find what a pain in the butt it is to switch connections all the time, and make you regret not paying closer attention.
 
2013-11-27 01:43:24 PM  

Mad_Radhu: zez: Does it really matter that the TV has one HDMI port? I only use one on my TV, everything else plugs into the stereo receiver that has around 8 or 9 of them.

Depends on where you are putting the TV. For my living room, we have everything running through the receiver, but for our bedroom TV we don't have a lot of space so we just use the speaker on the TV so we need multiple ports for different devices.


I'm a gamer and I connect my PC to my HDTV, so I need all of those ports, even if don't have an AV receiver (not enough room, New York apartment).

Incidentally,and this is OT, but fark it, it's Thanksgivingseve. I assume you're the one who makes the Bedford-Hansworth run, so you'll appreciate this. Warren Ellis signing last week .

I didn't have him sign a book. I had him sign my farking chair leg of truth.

i.imgur.com

I made another one and gave it to him, too.
 
2013-11-27 01:44:40 PM  
I abhor all of this but a few years ago I did participate. I got talked into heading to a home store to get a good deal on a fake Christmas tree (our complex at the time had just banned real trees). I got in and out as fast as I could and I would rather pay double price to never do it again.
 
2013-11-27 01:45:00 PM  
Bloody William:

Pretty much. I'd LOVE to get a panel that's as good as a Samsung F8500 plasma but without the apps, the camera, the design, all of that crap. It's just not possible. If you want the great picture, you're going to pay for the feature set that comes with it. It would be a br ...

I've been really impressed with the Xbox One voice control. Being able to say things like "browse to new egg" and have it pick up is really cool. It works really well most of the time, but there are still a few things where it is quicker to just use the controller, although it will probably get better with training and with updates.

I only wish they would have set up the console so that there is a passive HDMI passthrough so that I can turn off the Xbox when I'm watching things on the Tivo. With the console drawing about 80W or so when just sitting there showing the TV picture, it is kind of a waste of power. I'd hate to lose all of the cool extras by relegating it to another input, but it seems like I'm wasting a lot of power by having it on when it really isn't doing much than sitting there waiting for a command.
 
2013-11-27 01:49:15 PM  

Bloody William: I didn't have him sign a book. I had him sign my farking chair leg of truth.


Oh that is just awesome! Mad props to you on that.

Transmet is pretty much my favorite comic of all time. I actually just rebought the entire series in digital from Comixology when they were on sale for $1 each not long ago so I could have a good copy to read on my iPad. Comics on a Retina Display are a glorious thing.
 
2013-11-27 01:59:14 PM  

serial arseonist: Obvious tag out lining up for deals or...?


It got crushed in a stampede over a DVD player at Wal-Mart.
 
2013-11-27 02:00:29 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: kab: thurstonxhowell: It has no online services or apps (which, even if you don't use them, are features that should be considered standard if you're picking up a HDTV today).

No.

I was going to add more detail to my comment, but I think "No" actually sums up my thoughts on the matter pretty well.

Agreed.   I want a good picture on my TV, not an onboard farking variant of angry birds.

Yes, the Mitsubishi I bought a couple a years ago was "internet enabled", I'm still not sure why the fark I would plug my TV into the internet.


One word: Netflix.
 
2013-11-27 02:11:52 PM  

secularsage: I've observed that Black Friday isn't about the deals; it's about the hunt for deals and the shared social experience. People love being able to tell stories about how crazy they were and what lengths they went to in order to acquire presents, and so forth.

The people who are just looking for deals have learned that online shopping is the way to go. The farkwits who are going to camp outside of Best Buy, Walmart and Target all day Thanksgiving to be first in line to save $100 on a TV are the same sorts of people who attend midnight releases for video game consoles -- people with too much time on their hands who want a tale to tell.


That wasn't always the case though.  Maybe 7-8 years ago the Black Friday in-store sales could directly compete with - and beat - the kinds of prices online retailers could pull.  The discounts offered were huge, and on a large swath of items.  I remember picking up almost the entire run (at the time) of The Shield for $30, not one, not two, but three monitors that I still use to this day for combined under $150, a PSP, a Game Boy Micro, and plenty of other goodies.

As the years went on, quality started going down.  It used to be the family would get all the Black Friday ads, grab some sharpies and circle all the things we were interested in.  Every year there were less and less circles.  Finally one year we realized that, combined for all four of us, we'd circled maybe 12 things, and only one of them was a case of "Oh Em Gee you need to get in line four hours early to have a chance at this."  That year we decided to try swinging by a couple hours after the shopping started instead, and sure enough we got 90% of what we wanted.  Every year since has been the same way, only worse.  This year I've picked out a grand total of two things I'm interested in, both items I could comfortably wait until noon or later to go after and still be reasonably certain of obtaining.

Don't get me wrong, I admit the social aspect is definitely a part of it.  When my family used to do Black Friday we really did it, made it an entire event, even formulated "attack plans" and assigned people individual things to shop for best suited to their skills.  Example: my younger, freakishly taller brother would be sent to get the larger items that he could easily grab by reaching over people, while my not-quite-elderly mother would make her way towards the biggest line (often checkout) right off the bat, making sure to "accidentally" thwack her cane against the shins of anyone dumb enough to try and shove her out of line (I mean really, who shoves an old lady?).  We enjoyed it, and every year we hope to see enough sales to justify another early morning operation for the Black Friday Strike Team.  Alas, one has not happened for many years.
 
2013-11-27 02:13:42 PM  

zez: Does it really matter that the TV has one HDMI port? I only use one on my TV, everything else plugs into the stereo receiver that has around 8 or 9 of them.


Same here. I'd love to get a big screen that has nothing but a single input. No speakers, no apps. Just a screen to view what's coming out of the receiver. The receiver has apps, the Apple TV has apps, the Xbox has apps, the tablet I sometime plug into the receiver is nothing but apps. The screen doesn't need its own collection of poorly written spyware infested apps.

All I want is a tv with a high ratio of viewable screen to weight. As little bevel as possible. Two cords: one HDMI in and a power cord. Heck, they could even get rid of the power stand by button, making the tv come on when there is a signal on the HDMI in and off the rest of the time. Display images, that's all it needs to do.
 
2013-11-27 02:18:53 PM  
My "Black Friday" plans:

If the weather is nice, I'm going hunting.  If it's not, I'll be on my ham radios.
 
2013-11-27 02:20:42 PM  
Know a better day to shop than Shameful Thursday or Black Friday? Any other day of the year after Christmas and before Thanksgiving. Always good delas to be had when the retailer isn't pushing to squeeze every dime out of the spending season.
 
2013-11-27 02:21:22 PM  

secularsage: I've observed that Black Friday isn't about the deals; it's about the hunt for deals and the shared social experience.


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2013-11-27 02:25:47 PM  

bingethinker: One word: Netflix.


I have 3 different devices that can play Netflix hooked up to my TV right now. There are at least 4 other devices in my house that could do it if I wanted. Hell, even my phone can do that. Why in the world would I want my TV to be able to do it, too? Is there really such a huge market full of people who want high-end TVs, but don't own any other electronic devices? Even my pushing-60 mother is able to play Netflix on her TV without needing to have the TV do it. I honestly can't think of the last time I've seen a TV that had no Netflix-capable devices plugged into it in someone's home.
 
2013-11-27 02:32:43 PM  
The only reason why I am participating in this nonsense is that everyone is holding their stocks of PS4s for Black Friday rather than sell them earlier this week.
 
2013-11-27 02:34:21 PM  

frepnog: heh.  in the one-horse town I used to live in up in Tennessee, I stopped off at a gas station to buy a six pack of beer.  now, this was a tuesday at around 7-8 pm around 7 years ago.  i was told they couldn't sell me beer because it was an election day, and alcohol sales were suspended on election days.

is that a thing anywhere else?  people getting drunk and causing problems on election days?


It used to be. A long time ago it used to be a thing to grab random people, make them drink until they couldn't see straight, and then drag them to the voting booth to have them cast a ballot for your candidate. It's called cooping and it's suspected that's how Edgar Allan Poe died.
 
2013-11-27 02:36:02 PM  
If you have a Roku, why would you need an internet capable TV?

I have a 3D LG Smart TV 47" ($800) and a Sharp Aquos 52" ($350) with a Roku 3 attached to it. The Sharp with the Roku has better functionality. The picture is slightly better on LG, but for the most part the internet, YouTube, and other apps on the LG are all useless.

On the other hand, having WiDi on both my laptop and the LG is handy once in a while.

Either way, there are plenty of reasons to just have a normal, no internet TV.
 
DVD
2013-11-27 02:38:35 PM  
So do they whip the kids in the Chinese factories harder for the month prior to Black Friday sales to get extra units produced, or how do they get the extra production they need?
 
2013-11-27 02:40:27 PM  

DVD: So do they whip the kids in the Chinese factories harder for the month prior to Black Friday sales to get extra units produced, or how do they get the extra production they need?


I don't know, but the put nets under the 2nd floor windows of the worker dorms for a reason ...
 
kab
2013-11-27 02:47:52 PM  

Bloody William: I review HDTVs


Serious question: who do you think makes the best line of large format (60"+) tv's?
 
2013-11-27 02:48:41 PM  
This article perplexed me.  Who the effing fark needs "online services or apps" on a TELEVISION?  Don't most people get those either from their cable services or a box, be it a Blu-Ray/DVD player, DVR, or game console?

Or am I just an old fart who is that out of touch?
 
2013-11-27 02:51:04 PM  

kab: thurstonxhowell: It has no online services or apps (which, even if you don't use them, are features that should be considered standard if you're picking up a HDTV today).

No.

I was going to add more detail to my comment, but I think "No" actually sums up my thoughts on the matter pretty well.

Agreed.   I want a good picture on my TV, not an onboard farking variant of angry birds.


This. I don't need a "smart tv" and I'm going going to pay extra for one. I don't need on board applications. I don't need wi-fi. My farking gaming rig is constantly hooked up to my TV for all of that. Give me a nice picture with enough input sources for a reasonable price. That's all. I will only buy a smart tv when I have no other options.
 
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