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(Strategy Page)   Increasingly hardcore Somalia tells the world that it would rather be feared than loved   (strategypage.com) divider line 76
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2013-11-27 12:11:33 PM  
Yet conservatives still use it as a model for society.
 
2013-11-27 12:11:57 PM  
Inb4 libertarianism
 
2013-11-27 12:12:57 PM  

lockers: Yet conservatives still use it as a model for society.


Not sure if this really counts but it's probably close enough
 
2013-11-27 12:13:19 PM  
Ahhh Machiavelli's work is still relevant!
 
2013-11-27 12:13:22 PM  
Waht kind of article and waht sort of website was that? Who the hell green lit that garbage?
 
2013-11-27 12:16:23 PM  
The link to Glen Beck on the side leads me to dismiss this article as garbage.
 
2013-11-27 12:16:58 PM  
Oblig:
 
2013-11-27 12:17:33 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-27 12:18:04 PM  

Frank N Stein: Inb4 libertarianism


Too slow.

But I can't wait to hear people tell me how I want the U.S. to be just like Somalia.
 
2013-11-27 12:18:41 PM  
How are they with pitied?
 
2013-11-27 12:19:12 PM  

Frank N Stein: Inb4 libertarianism


Are you implying that this comparison is unfair?
 
2013-11-27 12:20:00 PM  
cache.gawkerassets.com
 
2013-11-27 12:20:08 PM  
Fear a nation with lots of surplus small arms and a malnourished populace. Feeaaar.
 
2013-11-27 12:20:56 PM  
fta Anyone with money (businesses and large farming operations) are expected to pay or face attack (beatings, death, or taking family members as hostages).

Sounds pretty bootstrappy.
 
2013-11-27 12:21:01 PM  

ScaryBottles: Frank N Stein: Inb4 libertarianism

Are you implying that this comparison is unfair?


BMFPitt: Frank N Stein: Inb4 libertarianism

Too slow.

But I can't wait to hear people tell me how I want the U.S. to be just like Somalia.


Bachelorette #2 same question.
 
2013-11-27 12:24:24 PM  

ScaryBottles: Frank N Stein: Inb4 libertarianism

Are you implying that this comparison is unfair?


Yes
 
2013-11-27 12:24:44 PM  
Libertarian thread!

And...go.
 
2013-11-27 12:25:48 PM  
Comeon, ScaryBottles. You know that a real libertarian government in the US wouldn't have any such problems, because of reasons. Duh.
 
2013-11-27 12:26:58 PM  

FarkedOver: Ahhh Machiavelli's work is still relevant!


It's even funnier when you realize Machiavelli was the Colbert of his age.
 
2013-11-27 12:27:19 PM  
Libertarianism is an ideal.
 
2013-11-27 12:29:38 PM  
Guys want to be him.  Girls think they can change him.
 
2013-11-27 12:31:48 PM  
It's only a matter of time before their neighbors sweep in and restore order/kill everybody.
 
2013-11-27 12:32:48 PM  
www.cartoonmovement.com
 
2013-11-27 12:35:23 PM  

ScaryBottles: ScaryBottles: Frank N Stein: Inb4 libertarianism

Are you implying that this comparison is unfair?

BMFPitt: Frank N Stein: Inb4 libertarianism

Too slow.

But I can't wait to hear people tell me how I want the U.S. to be just like Somalia.

Bachelorette #2 same question.


Fair for maybe 10% or so of people who might self describe as libertarian.

If you want to use that as a metric, I can certainly point to some incredibly stupid beliefs of cherry picked subsets of other groups.
 
2013-11-27 12:41:22 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: Libertarianism is an ideal.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-27 12:42:53 PM  
I must still be tired because I genuinely read that as Scalia instead of Somalia.
 
2013-11-27 12:48:24 PM  

BMFPitt: Frank N Stein: Inb4 libertarianism

Too slow.

But I can't wait to hear people tell me how I want the U.S. to be just like Somalia.


So you don't REALLY want everything you say you want.

/Libertarians=people who haven't actually given any thought to their positions.
 
2013-11-27 12:49:00 PM  

BMFPitt: But I can't wait to hear people tell me how I want the U.S. to be just like Somalia.


If Somalia isn't the libertarian dream, what country would be?  Are there any successful libertarian nations?  I can't think of any.  Why is this?  If libertarianism is such an ideal economic/political system, why aren't there more successful libertarian nations?  In a Darwinistic "Survival of the Fittest" world, the strongest economic systems would thrive.  If libertarianism is the best system then shouldn't there be plenty of successful libertarian nations?  Would the lack of successful libertarian nations hint that there are some inherent problems with the system?
 
2013-11-27 12:49:41 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: BMFPitt: Frank N Stein: Inb4 libertarianism

Too slow.

But I can't wait to hear people tell me how I want the U.S. to be just like Somalia.

So you don't REALLY want everything you say you want.

/Libertarians=people who haven't actually given any thought to their positions.


I think they've thought about it, but ONLY from a personal perspective and in Short Term. From an individual, immediate perspective I see the draw. It's just that if you think outside of yourself or the immediate timeframe it starts to break down quickly because there are a lot of unanswered or unanswerable questions.
 
2013-11-27 12:51:19 PM  

BMFPitt: ScaryBottles: ScaryBottles: Frank N Stein: Inb4 libertarianism

Are you implying that this comparison is unfair?

BMFPitt: Frank N Stein: Inb4 libertarianism

Too slow.

But I can't wait to hear people tell me how I want the U.S. to be just like Somalia.

Bachelorette #2 same question.

Fair for maybe 10% or so of people who might self describe as libertarian.

If you want to use that as a metric, I can certainly point to some incredibly stupid beliefs of cherry picked subsets of other groups.


Which "cherry picked" beliefs exactly do you take exception to?
 
2013-11-27 12:52:23 PM  
Tangential to angry Somalis:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/11/26/247412767/judge-suspen d s-sentencing-would-be-bomber-after-nsa-revelations

"The sentencing of a Somali-American man convicted of trying to bomb a holiday tree-lighting ceremony in Portland, Ore., in 2010 has been put on hold indefinitely. That move comes just days after the Justice Department notified his lawyers that part of the case against him had been "derived from" secret NSA electronic surveillance."

Hahaaaaa. NSA intel might not even be usable in terrorism cases.

/need more NSA threads
 
Bf+
2013-11-27 12:54:54 PM  

Frank N Stein: ScaryBottles: Frank N Stein: Inb4 libertarianism

Are you implying that this comparison is unfair?

Yes


words?
 
2013-11-27 12:58:18 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: So you don't REALLY want everything you say you want.


Please list some things you think I have said that I want.

Muta: If Somalia isn't the libertarian dream, what country would be?


Singapore and Taiwan may be a pretty decent examples.  Still far from perfect, but pretty good.

Are there any successful libertarian nations?

The United States has worked or pretty well.

If libertarianism is such an ideal economic/political system, why aren't there more successful libertarian nations?

They are pretty hard to build without very stable institutions and predispositions among the population.
 
2013-11-27 12:58:52 PM  
NRA, Tea Party, and Libertarian paradise!
 
2013-11-27 01:00:01 PM  

ScaryBottles: Which "cherry picked" beliefs exactly do you take exception to?


The anarchist ones related to TFA.  Seemed like a pretty straightforward statement.
 
2013-11-27 01:00:43 PM  

Muta: BMFPitt: But I can't wait to hear people tell me how I want the U.S. to be just like Somalia.

If Somalia isn't the libertarian dream, what country would be?  Are there any successful libertarian nations?  I can't think of any.  Why is this?  If libertarianism is such an ideal economic/political system, why aren't there more successful libertarian nations?  In a Darwinistic "Survival of the Fittest" world, the strongest economic systems would thrive.  If libertarianism is the best system then shouldn't there be plenty of successful libertarian nations?  Would the lack of successful libertarian nations hint that there are some inherent problems with the system?


It's easy to build a Libertarian paradise if you assume only one level of cause and effect.
 
2013-11-27 01:06:16 PM  

BMFPitt: Frank N Stein: Inb4 libertarianism

Too slow.

But I can't wait to hear people tell me how I want the U.S. to be just like Somalia.


How about if we just punch you in the junk and say STFU?
 
2013-11-27 01:11:44 PM  

TV's Vinnie: BMFPitt: Frank N Stein: Inb4 libertarianism

Too slow.

But I can't wait to hear people tell me how I want the U.S. to be just like Somalia.

How about if we just punch you in the junk and say STFU?


He's a libertarian. If you want to punch him in the junk, he's gonna need to get paid for his time.
 
2013-11-27 01:21:29 PM  
Then they should spend more than the combination of 20 of their allies on "Defense"; creating a drone army to send across the globe murdering anyone from goat herders to Heads of State without reprecussion.
 
2013-11-27 01:22:04 PM  

BMFPitt: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: So you don't REALLY want everything you say you want.

Please list some things you think I have said that I want.

Muta: If Somalia isn't the libertarian dream, what country would be?

Singapore and Taiwan may be a pretty decent examples.  Still far from perfect, but pretty good.

Are there any successful libertarian nations?

The United States has worked or pretty well.

If libertarianism is such an ideal economic/political system, why aren't there more successful libertarian nations?

They are pretty hard to build without very stable institutions and predispositions among the population.


Lol spitting gum out on the street is illegal in Singapore and graffiti will get you caned. They are not libertarian. Singapore is the definition of big governmental control.

Taiwan? Ha. Ha. Ha.

You are so deluded.

As for the US of A, we are definitely not a libertarian dream. We live in a society with a strong central government, which has been proven to be better than a confederation of states twice in our history.
 
2013-11-27 01:24:38 PM  

LasersHurt: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: BMFPitt: Frank N Stein: Inb4 libertarianism

Too slow.

But I can't wait to hear people tell me how I want the U.S. to be just like Somalia.

So you don't REALLY want everything you say you want.

/Libertarians=people who haven't actually given any thought to their positions.

I think they've thought about it, but ONLY from a personal perspective and in Short Term. From an individual, immediate perspective I see the draw. It's just that if you think outside of yourself or the immediate timeframe it starts to break down quickly because there are a lot of unanswered or unanswerable questions.


Libertarianism doesn't appeal to a particular type of thinker, but a particular type of personality.

Because it provides simple clear explanation for just about everything in one simple easy to grasp set of concepts it's very appealing to people with low tolerance for ambiguity. It also helps if you're severely lacking in empathy but that's not essential.

Basically if you're someone with a predilection for black and white thinking and you find complexity and ambiguity stress inducing you will love libertarianism.
 
2013-11-27 01:25:17 PM  
Iraq tried this approach also
 
2013-11-27 01:25:33 PM  
Side note.

If you think that Singapore is libertarian then anything you say on the topic can be safely discarded because you're a farking idiot.
 
2013-11-27 02:08:25 PM  
Ah, the Nightmare Moon approach to international politics.

Look. Somalia. You need to get a few nukes before you can go pissing off the big boys in the World. Go play with your legos.
 
2013-11-27 02:10:15 PM  

James!: It's only a matter of time before their neighbors sweep in and restore order/kill everybody.


Yeah, they've tried that before. The problem is that the farking place is HUGE...1.5 times the size of California...and moreover, it's now functionally at least 6 countries.

~upload.wikimedia.org

Moreover, ethnic Somalis make up a large chunk of Kenya, are the second largest ethnic group in Ethiopia, and are the entire population of Djibouti.
 
2013-11-27 02:13:32 PM  
Well, it's been working so far for the US.
 
2013-11-27 02:19:14 PM  
Somalia, I would advise against that.  As some convict who visited my high school told us "You don't want people to fear you.  You want people to respect you.  Fear can be taken away in the middle of the night."  We do that not with shivs, but with SEALs, MEUs, and CSGs.
 
2013-11-27 02:26:19 PM  
I wonder how they feel about being shot.

Or bombed.
 
2013-11-27 02:43:07 PM  

Stone Meadow: James!: It's only a matter of time before their neighbors sweep in and restore order/kill everybody.

Yeah, they've tried that before. The problem is that the farking place is HUGE...1.5 times the size of California...and moreover, it's now functionally at least 6 countries.

~[upload.wikimedia.org image 568x600]

Moreover, ethnic Somalis make up a large chunk of Kenya, are the second largest ethnic group in Ethiopia, and are the entire population of Djibouti.


"Puntland" always makes me giggle.
 
2013-11-27 03:07:23 PM  

zeroman987: Lol spitting gum out on the street is illegal in Singapore and graffiti will get you caned. They are not libertarian. Singapore is the definition of big governmental control.
Taiwan? Ha. Ha. Ha.
You are so deluded.


That was poorly written on my part.  They are economically libertarian.  I figured nobody was disputing most of the individual liberty aspects.

As for the US of A, we are definitely not a libertarian dream. We live in a society with a strong central government, which has been proven to be better than a confederation of states twice in our history.

Relative to the rest of the world we still are for the most part.

We live in a society with a strong central government, which has been proven to be better than a confederation of states twice in our history.

What do you mean by "better"?  The Constitution was certainly a huge upgrade over the Articles of Confederation.  I don't see how the infinitesimally small compared to now central government of the US in the 1860s was responsible for the north being the industrialized half of the country, nor how winning a war proves that one method of government is better than another.   I'd be happy to shrink down to a government many times the size of the one you said was proven superior, though.  We could probably agree to at least half a trillion of those cuts.

Tigger: Libertarianism doesn't appeal to a particular type of thinker, but a particular type of personality.
Because it provides simple clear explanation for just about everything in one simple easy to grasp set of concepts it's very appealing to people with low tolerance for ambiguity. It also helps if you're severely lacking in empathy but that's not essential.
Basically if you're someone with a predilection for black and white thinking and you find complexity and ambiguity stress inducing you will love libertarianism.


Sounds like the exact opposite of me.
 
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