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2013-11-27 10:47:51 AM  
I'd rather deal with an arm stoner than an armed drunk.
 
2013-11-27 10:50:16 AM  
Congressman seeks to give medical marijuana patients BACK the right to buy guns

FTFY subby.
 
2013-11-27 10:53:51 AM  

sammyk: I'd rather deal with an arm stoner than an armed drunk.


yep, booze and guns is a bad combination
 
2013-11-27 10:57:48 AM  
Like, dude. say 'hello' to this guy here. My friend. He's little I think. But he's still cool, you know?
 
2013-11-27 10:57:50 AM  
Has the NRA weighed in on this?
 
2013-11-27 10:58:24 AM  
Jared Polis is an awesome rep. I bet he makes conservative heads asplode.
 
2013-11-27 11:01:07 AM  
Well, this will make Republicans' heads explode.  On the one hand, we have gun-grabbers in gubbment trying to steal people's God-given right to be armed to the teeth.  On the other hand, we have armed hippie stoners.

I'm inclined to agree with sammyk.  If every drunked up Cletus has the right to bear arms, letting Cheech and Chong have them can't be worse.
 
2013-11-27 11:01:37 AM  
why wouldn't medical weed patients be able to buy guns?   It's not like smoking or posession of weed is against the law.  well, not in Washington.

but why not elsewhere?
 
2013-11-27 11:05:36 AM  

sammyk: I'd rather deal with an arm stoner than an armed drunk.


Looking at it all wrong man...

whycantitbeboth.jpg
 
2013-11-27 11:05:39 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-27 11:05:40 AM  
Guns don't kill people, my diggety dank does.
 
2013-11-27 11:07:51 AM  
Good, maybe they'll overthrow the government.
 
2013-11-27 11:08:03 AM  
Well how else are you suppose to shotgun your weed?
www.fanpop.com
 
2013-11-27 11:09:17 AM  
Wow..  Might need popcorn for this one.
 
2013-11-27 11:11:28 AM  
Now this is how you troll Republicans. Pay attention, Dems.
 
2013-11-27 11:12:55 AM  
This will fit in nicely with the blind people in Iowa.
 
2013-11-27 11:15:55 AM  
So, will there be a war between the Fark Legalize It crowd and the Fark Gun Control crowd, or will the be absolutely silent like they were in yesterdays thread about a guy who got arrested for smoking pot and owning guns?

madgordy: why wouldn't medical weed patients be able to buy guns?


Form 4473 question E
 
2013-11-27 11:17:17 AM  

cc_rider: Now this is how you troll Republicans. Pay attention, Dems.


I'm lovin' it myself.

I too prefer stoned gun owners to drunk gun owners.
 
2013-11-27 11:17:58 AM  
Can't end up badly.
It'd be more like "duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude, as soon as I finish these Pringles, the new season of Dr. Who, and get up off this couch, I'm sooooooooo gonna shoot ya."
 
2013-11-27 11:22:11 AM  
I know so many people, on both sides of the gun control and legal marijuana debates, whose heads would implode reading this story.

Personally, I believe if a person's biggest crime is they smoke a little pot, there's no reason they should be denied the right to bear arms. Certainly medical marijuana users should not be denied the right.

This does not mean I think it's ok for stoned (or drunk) people to handle firearms. So, yes, if drunk (or stoned) Cletus can be arrested for DWI, it is reasonable to arrest him for handling a gun while drunk (or stoned) and possibly strip him (at least temporarily) of his right to bear arms in a court of law. But that's a different issue.
 
2013-11-27 11:24:06 AM  
OK, that popup was NSFW.  I don't care if the caption says it was a "clean" picture.  It's how the boss and/or cow-orker perceives it that makes a picture NSFW.
 
2013-11-27 11:24:48 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: I'm sorry, but I think I may be confused... or they are... was the ATF added to the legislative branch when I wasn't looking?


18 USC 922 (g)

It's Federal law.
 
2013-11-27 11:24:59 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: I'm sorry, but I think I may be confused... or they are... was the ATF added to the legislative branch when I wasn't looking?


Yes.  They've been doing it for years.
 
2013-11-27 11:25:06 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: FTA: The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms ruled in 2011 that it's illegal for registered medical marijuana patients to buy or own guns


Is it a felony? Because I don't think the FTA has the jurisdiction to declare it a mental illness. Those are the two relevant banhammers under Heller.
 
2013-11-27 11:26:01 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: FTA: The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms ruled in 2011 that it's illegal for registered medical marijuana patients to buy or own guns


I'm sorry, but I think I may be confused... or they are... was the ATF added to the legislative branch when I wasn't looking?


www.everydaynodaysoff.com
 
2013-11-27 11:28:35 AM  

Click Click D'oh: So, will there be a war between the Fark Legalize It crowd and the Fark Gun Control crowd, or will the be absolutely silent like they were in yesterdays thread about a guy who got arrested for smoking pot and owning guns?



As far as I'm concerned, neither.  The fundamental problem is that marijuana should never have been listed as a Schedule I drug in the first place.  It should be Schedule IV at most.  Change that and the problem disappears.
 
2013-11-27 11:29:04 AM  
Since when does a legal medical prescription take away your civil rights?

"We've switched this country with one from an alternate universe.  Let's see if anyone notices"
 
2013-11-27 11:29:07 AM  
The questionaire to buy a gun legally asks you to self admit that you are a alcoholic/drug addict. If you mark yes...no gun for you. If you mark no...you get gun.


/Colorado resident
//None of their damn business what I partake in on my free time. Like I was told by my navy recruiter 18 years ago. If it isn't on your permanent record, it never happened.
 
2013-11-27 11:29:07 AM  

Click Click D'oh: HindiDiscoMonster: I'm sorry, but I think I may be confused... or they are... was the ATF added to the legislative branch when I wasn't looking?

18 USC 922 (g)

It's Federal law.


Subsection 3 makes that sticky if it's an intrastate purchase, being that medical marijuana users are not unlawful users of a controlled substance. Certainly the McDonald ruling means the 14th prevents the state authorities from coming for your guns.
 
2013-11-27 11:29:32 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: FTA: The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms ruled in 2011 that it's illegal for registered medical marijuana patients to buy or own guns


I'm sorry, but I think I may be confused... or they are... was the ATF added to the legislative branch when I wasn't looking?


They seem to have been under that impression for a long time.  I'd like to see some of their "opinions" challenged and lose in court for just that reason.
 
2013-11-27 11:29:36 AM  
Can we also restore suffrage to those who have had it taken away for non-violent crimes like drug possession?
 
2013-11-27 11:30:28 AM  
Good.
 
2013-11-27 11:31:00 AM  

This text is now purple: ..being that medical marijuana users are not unlawful users of a controlled substance.


Yes they are.
 
2013-11-27 11:32:13 AM  

FloydA: Click Click D'oh: So, will there be a war between the Fark Legalize It crowd and the Fark Gun Control crowd, or will the be absolutely silent like they were in yesterdays thread about a guy who got arrested for smoking pot and owning guns?


As far as I'm concerned, neither.  The fundamental problem is that marijuana should never have been listed as a Schedule I drug in the first place.  It should be Schedule IV at most.  Change that and the problem disappears.


Not if the problem is "how can I get rich selling military hardware to police departments?"
 
2013-11-27 11:33:01 AM  
Marijuana should have never been a schedule 1 drug to begin with.

Notice that no one calls out Obama as being a huge hypocrite on this issue?
He admitted to being a 'vigorous' drug user yet he demands that his administration aggressively pursue and prosecute drug users.
 
2013-11-27 11:33:22 AM  

This text is now purple: HindiDiscoMonster: FTA: The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms ruled in 2011 that it's illegal for registered medical marijuana patients to buy or own guns

Is it a felony? Because I don't think the FTA has the jurisdiction to declare it a mental illness. Those are the two relevant banhammers under Heller.


(g) It shall be unlawful for any person - ... (3) who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802));


Ultimately, you're much safer with a stoned gun owner than with a drunk gun owner. As long as WA and CO don't do anything stupid in the next couple of years, MJ will eventually be as common as alcohol, and all of the prohibition costs so far will be recognized as a scandalous waste of funds.

.02
 
2013-11-27 11:34:41 AM  

Click Click D'oh: HindiDiscoMonster: I'm sorry, but I think I may be confused... or they are... was the ATF added to the legislative branch when I wasn't looking?

18 USC 922 (g)

It's Federal law.


[donnybaker]
You can look it up!
[/donnybaker]
 
2013-11-27 11:35:08 AM  

This text is now purple: HindiDiscoMonster: FTA: The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms ruled in 2011 that it's illegal for registered medical marijuana patients to buy or own guns

Is it a felony? Because I don't think the FTA has the jurisdiction to declare it a mental illness. Those are the two relevant banhammers under Heller.


It's a 4473 disqualifying question. If you're a "habitual user", the ATF says no gun for you.
 
2013-11-27 11:35:44 AM  
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

 I do not see ATF mentioned. Therefore, ATF is traitorous scum who need to be ridden around on rails and then given the Mexican Cartels.
 
2013-11-27 11:38:24 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: IC... so, because it is still against McCarthyism... Prohibition... Federal Law, regardless if states have licensed it for medical use, you no longer have the rights you would normally have.


Hey, I never said it's a good idea.  I just pointed out that it's currently the law of the land.

I find it rather funny that when stupid federal laws suddenly effect a person, they stand up and notice the law is stupid... When the gun rights guys have been shouting it for years.
 
2013-11-27 11:38:50 AM  
Since that site is blocked by my ever-vigilant mental firewall, here's a non-Opposing Views link:   http://www.thedailychronic.net/2013/26353/bill-introduced-congress-ex e mpt-legal-marijuana-federal-gun-laws/

I knew it would be my Congressman who was behind this.  That's why I voted for him.
 
2013-11-27 11:41:49 AM  
They can take my guns when ... when I remember where I put them.
 
2013-11-27 11:43:48 AM  

cc_rider: Now this is how you troll Republicans. Pay attention, Dems.


Eh...the NRA won't play ball.  Odds are overwhelming they won't want to embarrass Republicans, so they'll stay quiet on this one.  Sure, cosponsor it if you want, but we won't be making a push.  And we CERTAINLY won't make support of this bill a key, graded issue.  You can avoid it and still keep your 100% NRA rating!
 
2013-11-27 11:44:42 AM  

madgordy: why wouldn't medical weed patients be able to buy guns? It's not like smoking or posession of weed is against the law


Pot is still illegal under Federal law. The ATF is a federal bureau and issues the federal gun ID.

FloydA: The fundamental problem is that marijuana should never have been listed as a Schedule I drug in the first place. It should be Schedule IV at most. Change that and the problem disappears

pharmaceutical companies will stop giving you money.
 
2013-11-27 11:45:12 AM  

zepher: Marijuana should have never been a schedule 1 drug to begin with.

Notice that no one calls out Obama as being a huge hypocrite on this issue?
He admitted to being a 'vigorous' drug user yet he demands that his administration aggressively pursue and prosecute drug users.



The states of Washington and Colorado disagree.

I would certainly like it if he made a proposal to change marijuana from a Schedule I drug to Schedule IV, and I am sad that he has not yet done so, but to call him a hypocrite for doing the job he was hired to do seems a bit odd.  His responsibility is to see that the laws are executed (that's why they call it the executive branch).  The legislature (the House and Senate) are tasked with enacting and, when necessary, changing those laws.  It's not really reasonable to blame Obama for not unilaterally changing the laws, since the Constitution explicitly forbids that.  Write your Congress-people and tell them to get to work.
 
2013-11-27 11:46:06 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: The ATF is a federal bureau and issues the federal gun ID.


The what?
 
2013-11-27 11:46:32 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Has the NRA weighed in on this?


Who honestly cares either way?
 
2013-11-27 11:48:44 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Sin_City_Superhero: The ATF is a federal bureau and issues the federal gun ID.

The what?


The Federal Identification Card (FID), which allows citizens to buy guns and ammunition from retail outlets.
 
2013-11-27 11:49:42 AM  

Wendy's Chili: Has the NRA weighed in on this?


There's no way they will.  There's too much opportunity for them to look crazy any way they go.  If they support the bill, the anti-NRA crowd will be out in droves shouting about how the NRA wants to give guns to drug addled criminals.  If the NRA comes out against it then people will shout about how the NRA is just being a narrow focused single issue organization and what other rights should we surrender simply because of the use of narcotics.

This is one of those that any smart organization will just step back and let it play out.
 
2013-11-27 11:50:40 AM  

Sin_City_Superhero: The Federal Identification Card (FID), which allows citizens to buy guns and ammunition from retail outlets.


The what?

I'm a firearms instructor.  I buy tens of thousands of rounds every year.  There is no such thing as a Federal Gun ID.
 
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