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2013-11-27 09:57:01 AM
Come on, Francis, do it.  Knock over those money changers' tables.
 
2013-11-27 09:57:38 AM
He's coming to my basement?
 
2013-11-27 09:58:31 AM

Pope issues mission statement for papacy


Pope states missionary position.
 
2013-11-27 10:01:40 AM
As a Methodist, I'm liking this guy more and more, every day!

I'm excited to get into with my Libertarian Fundamentalist cousin and bring up that even the Pope things his stance on things is ludicrous.
 
2013-11-27 10:03:02 AM
From behind?
 
2013-11-27 10:03:22 AM

INeedAName: As a Methodist, I'm liking this guy more and more, every day!

I'm excited to get into with my Libertarian Fundamentalist cousin and bring up that even the Pope things his stance on things is ludicrous.


That's gotta piss him off something fierce.  I like it.
 
2013-11-27 10:04:30 AM
FTFA: Pope Francis denounced the global financial system that excludes the poor as he issued the mission statement for his papacy on Tuesday, saying he wants the Catholic Church to get its hands dirty as it seeks to bring solace and mercy to society's outcasts.

Wow, an accurate headline!
 
2013-11-27 10:05:58 AM
"Money must serve, not rule!" he said in calling for political leaders to reform the system. "The Pope loves everyone, rich and poor alike, but he is obliged in the name of Christ to remind all that the rich must help, respect and promote the poor."

I'm starting to worry for the Pope's safety.  It's one thing to love teh homos and touch that yucky dude, but now you're farking with the money.  And Supply Side Jesus loves money only slightly less than the assholes running the world today.

/ Keep on Popin', Pope!
 
2013-11-27 10:06:56 AM
Seriously liking this new Pope guy.
 
2013-11-27 10:08:45 AM

INeedAName: As a Methodist, I'm liking this guy more and more, every day!

I'm excited to get into with my Libertarian Fundamentalist cousin and bring up that even the Pope things his stance on things is ludicrous.


Actual differences between Methodism and Catholicism:
1.  This guy.
2.  Precisely which dead guys you call saints
3.  When exactly you eat bread you pretend it's cannibalism.


Did I miss anything?
 
2013-11-27 10:09:44 AM
Marked by Secularization? Right, secular politics is really a bad thing, really.
 
2013-11-27 10:11:08 AM
In before, "I'll believe that he's serious when pawns off all of the Church's art, land, and treasure derpderpderp"
 
2013-11-27 10:13:45 AM

INeedAName: I'm excited to get into with my Libertarian Fundamentalist cousin and bring up that even the Pope things his stance on things is ludicrous.


But... The Pope's a Catholic, not a protestant like Jesus was.
 
2013-11-27 10:14:43 AM
Boy, the church is really backpedaling now. A few measly words to make up for hundreds of years of hatred, greed, corruption, child abuse and death.

Too little, too late.
 
2013-11-27 10:16:38 AM
I knew when the Cardinals elected a Jesuit that he was bound to shake things up.  Don't know why conservative Catholics are so surprised.  Are they unfamiliar with Jesuits?

I'm still too distant from the Church on doctrinal issues that they're not going to change (abortion, contraception, women's and gay rights, etc.) to ever come back to the Church.  Aside from being agnostic on the whole "existence of God" question.

But still.  A Church more focused on Jesuit priorities of education, poverty, and social justice over pushing those doctrinal issues politically, is a Church that can be overall a positive force in the world.
 
2013-11-27 10:17:10 AM

Godscrack: Boy, the church is really backpedaling now. A few measly words to make up for hundreds of years of hatred, greed, corruption, child abuse and death.

Too little, too late.


yeah... I mean this damn Pope and his magical time machine that allowed him to be at all those places in history... and NOW he has a change of heart.
 
2013-11-27 10:18:32 AM

Godscrack: Boy, the church is really backpedaling now. A few measly words to make up for hundreds of years of hatred, greed, corruption, child abuse and death.

Too little, too late.


0/10
 
2013-11-27 10:19:45 AM
I'm thinking of converting to Catholicism, just because of this Pope.

This is a serious question: is an actual belief in God a requirement to join? 'Cause that could be a deal-breaker.
 
2013-11-27 10:19:48 AM

ikanreed: INeedAName: As a Methodist, I'm liking this guy more and more, every day!

I'm excited to get into with my Libertarian Fundamentalist cousin and bring up that even the Pope things his stance on things is ludicrous.

Actual differences between Methodism and Catholicism:
1.  This guy.
2.  Precisely which dead guys you call saints
3.  When exactly you eat bread you pretend it's cannibalism.


Did I miss anything?


The Methodist denomination in particular tends to be more progressive and social justice-oriented. We tend to be at odds with the Catholics over their views of women, abortion, etc. While this guy isn't advocating a full-scale change, he's challenging some of the more intractable stances the Catholic church seems to have taken up over the years.

And while I know many Catholics who personally share a lot of these thoughts/beliefs, it's nice to hear the guy at the top saying them too.
 
2013-11-27 10:20:31 AM

Gonz: I'm thinking of converting to Catholicism, just because of this Pope.

This is a serious question: is an actual belief in God a requirement to join? 'Cause that could be a deal-breaker.


yeah, that is kind of a deal breaker... I'm afraid you are going to have to continue not collecting stamps.
 
2013-11-27 10:21:32 AM

Gonz: I'm thinking of converting to Catholicism, just because of this Pope.

This is a serious question: is an actual belief in God a requirement to join? 'Cause that could be a deal-breaker.


I'm afraid that a belief in God is actually a requirement to join. And none of this "wink wink nudge nudge" believing either.
 
2013-11-27 10:22:08 AM
You tell 'em Pope Frankie!

/Seriously liking this guy.
//He's got me thinking nice things about Christianity again
///Got horribly disillusioned and pissed off during W's reign and haven't gotten over it yet.
 
2013-11-27 10:22:24 AM

INeedAName: ikanreed: INeedAName: As a Methodist, I'm liking this guy more and more, every day!

I'm excited to get into with my Libertarian Fundamentalist cousin and bring up that even the Pope things his stance on things is ludicrous.

Actual differences between Methodism and Catholicism:
1.  This guy.
2.  Precisely which dead guys you call saints
3.  When exactly you eat bread you pretend it's cannibalism.


Did I miss anything?

The Methodist denomination in particular tends to be more progressive and social justice-oriented. We tend to be at odds with the Catholics over their views of women, abortion, etc. While this guy isn't advocating a full-scale change, he's challenging some of the more intractable stances the Catholic church seems to have taken up over the years.

And while I know many Catholics who personally share a lot of these thoughts/beliefs, it's nice to hear the guy at the top saying them too.


could be a game changer considering according to Catholicism wow, what the Pope says is law... Of course that is assuming someone doesn't poison his bedtime tea or something.
 
2013-11-27 10:22:39 AM
r.m.yahoo.com
 
2013-11-27 10:23:01 AM
Lapsed catholic, here. Just can't buy into the whole religion thing anymore.

That being said, I'm starting to like this guy...
 
2013-11-27 10:23:14 AM

GDubDub: In before, "I'll believe that he's serious when pawns off all of the Church's art, land, and treasure derpderpderp"


And the "derpderpderp buggering little boys".

The money derp didn't stop after the Bishop of Bling was taken to task and they're planning a soup kitchen out of his mansion. It won't stop even if he send Cardinal Law back to the US.
 
2013-11-27 10:24:34 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Godscrack: Boy, the church is really backpedaling now. A few measly words to make up for hundreds of years of hatred, greed, corruption, child abuse and death.

Too little, too late.

yeah... I mean this damn Pope and his magical time machine that allowed him to be at all those places in history... and NOW he has a change of heart.


He's placing the Church in a pocket universe.
 
2013-11-27 10:27:06 AM

russlar: INeedAName: I'm excited to get into with my Libertarian Fundamentalist cousin and bring up that even the Pope things his stance on things is ludicrous.

But... The Pope's a Catholic, not a protestant like Jesus was.


You know how I know you don't really know what Protestant really means...
 
2013-11-27 10:27:31 AM

OtherLittleGuy: HindiDiscoMonster: Godscrack: Boy, the church is really backpedaling now. A few measly words to make up for hundreds of years of hatred, greed, corruption, child abuse and death.

Too little, too late.

yeah... I mean this damn Pope and his magical time machine that allowed him to be at all those places in history... and NOW he has a change of heart.

He's placing the Church in a pocket universe.


www.lobshots.com

/What a pocket universe might look like...
 
2013-11-27 10:28:03 AM

Old_Chief_Scott: Gonz: I'm thinking of converting to Catholicism, just because of this Pope.

This is a serious question: is an actual belief in God a requirement to join? 'Cause that could be a deal-breaker.

I'm afraid that a belief in God is actually a requirement to join. And none of this "wink wink nudge nudge" believing either.


What if I just view God as an amalgamation of the collective love, knowledge, mercy, and forgiveness that is universally present, which, in combination with the laws of physics, humanity has managed to anthropomorphize in an attempt to somehow enable our simple primate brains to come close to understanding the concept?

Or does it have to be, y'know, long flowing robes and a throne?
 
2013-11-27 10:28:09 AM

Godscrack: Boy, the church is really backpedaling now. A few measly words to make up for hundreds of years of hatred, greed, corruption, child abuse and death.

Too little, too late.


Yeah, it would be way better if there were no improvements at all now.  Changes for the better, BAH!  If Francis hops in the papal time machine and does something to fix at least the last couple of centuries then maybe maybe I'll pay some attention.
 
2013-11-27 10:34:22 AM

Gonz: Old_Chief_Scott: Gonz: I'm thinking of converting to Catholicism, just because of this Pope.

This is a serious question: is an actual belief in God a requirement to join? 'Cause that could be a deal-breaker.

I'm afraid that a belief in God is actually a requirement to join. And none of this "wink wink nudge nudge" believing either.

What if I just view God as an amalgamation of the collective love, knowledge, mercy, and forgiveness that is universally present, which, in combination with the laws of physics, humanity has managed to anthropomorphize in an attempt to somehow enable our simple primate brains to come close to understanding the concept?

Or does it have to be, y'know, long flowing robes and a throne?


well, if it helps, God wouldn't really have a human like form anyway... when he says he made us in his image, he meant our souls/spirits... so, that would mean that he would have a spiritual form (no, not a ghost)... maybe a ball of energy or something... who knows.
 
2013-11-27 10:36:01 AM

Doc Daneeka: I knew when the Cardinals elected a Jesuit that he was bound to shake things up.  Don't know why conservative Catholics are so surprised.  Are they unfamiliar with Jesuits?

I'm still too distant from the Church on doctrinal issues that they're not going to change (abortion, contraception, women's and gay rights, etc.) to ever come back to the Church.  Aside from being agnostic on the whole "existence of God" question.

But still.  A Church more focused on Jesuit priorities of education, poverty, and social justice over pushing those doctrinal issues politically, is a Church that can be overall a positive force in the world.


I agree with this.  While I don't think this will get me to go back to the Church, I can see that if the organization changes to put more emphasis on actual charity and aid instead of politics, I would be more likely to give both money and time to help them out.  I don't care if they are doing it in the name of some deity, it work that should be done.

Basically more St. Vincent de Paul, less blather from the pulpit.

I hope nothing bad happens to this guy.  He is far better than Emperor Palaptine.
 
2013-11-27 10:37:39 AM

Gonz: Old_Chief_Scott: Gonz: I'm thinking of converting to Catholicism, just because of this Pope.

This is a serious question: is an actual belief in God a requirement to join? 'Cause that could be a deal-breaker.

I'm afraid that a belief in God is actually a requirement to join. And none of this "wink wink nudge nudge" believing either.

What if I just view God as an amalgamation of the collective love, knowledge, mercy, and forgiveness that is universally present, which, in combination with the laws of physics, humanity has managed to anthropomorphize in an attempt to somehow enable our simple primate brains to come close to understanding the concept?

Or does it have to be, y'know, long flowing robes and a throne?


That depends on which sect of Christianity you are going to go with. If you are going to be a Catholic and follow this pope, then I'm afraid that a firm and vigorous belief in a full-on smiting and and vengeful Lord of the Old Testament variety is required. You can probably get away with being a Presbyterian or something though.

Best wishes for your journey.
 
2013-11-27 10:39:56 AM
In before someone misunderstands papal infallibility!

---

Having grown up Catholic and since wandering around agnosticism, Neo-Paganism, and lately Buddhism, I'm excited to see what he does with the church. One thing I've noticed is as you get farther into the mystic aspects of any faith they tend to start converging, and I think this Pope is getting in that direction too with all the radical humility and service.
 
2013-11-27 10:40:00 AM

Doc Daneeka


I knew when the Cardinals elected a Jesuit that he was bound to shake things up. Don't know why conservative Catholics are so surprised. Are they unfamiliar with Jesuits?


From the way they act, I'm pretty sure the conservative Catholics aren't familiar with Jesus* let alone Jesuits.

* the figure as described in their documentation
 
2013-11-27 10:46:42 AM

Old_Chief_Scott: Gonz: Old_Chief_Scott: Gonz: I'm thinking of converting to Catholicism, just because of this Pope.

This is a serious question: is an actual belief in God a requirement to join? 'Cause that could be a deal-breaker.

I'm afraid that a belief in God is actually a requirement to join. And none of this "wink wink nudge nudge" believing either.

What if I just view God as an amalgamation of the collective love, knowledge, mercy, and forgiveness that is universally present, which, in combination with the laws of physics, humanity has managed to anthropomorphize in an attempt to somehow enable our simple primate brains to come close to understanding the concept?

Or does it have to be, y'know, long flowing robes and a throne?

That depends on which sect of Christianity you are going to go with. If you are going to be a Catholic and follow this pope, then I'm afraid that a firm and vigorous belief in a full-on smiting and and vengeful Lord of the Old Testament variety is required. You can probably get away with being a Presbyterian or something though.

Best wishes for your journey.


Well, it depends on the parish and the clergy there.  I've know some really cool Catholic priests.  Very down to earth.  If you show up at mass, go through the motions and help out when needed, I don't find many really question your root beliefs.  Sure the Catholic playbook may be very specific and some clergy and laity are very literal, many are not.  Many prefer the details of the faith and let your action speak for your belief.    So basically while the Catholic Church does have a central authority and an alleged strict set of rules, you'll find that parishes and congregations vary widely.
 
2013-11-27 10:47:17 AM

Gonz: Old_Chief_Scott: Gonz: I'm thinking of converting to Catholicism, just because of this Pope.

This is a serious question: is an actual belief in God a requirement to join? 'Cause that could be a deal-breaker.

I'm afraid that a belief in God is actually a requirement to join. And none of this "wink wink nudge nudge" believing either.

What if I just view God as an amalgamation of the collective love, knowledge, mercy, and forgiveness that is universally present, which, in combination with the laws of physics, humanity has managed to anthropomorphize in an attempt to somehow enable our simple primate brains to come close to understanding the concept?

Or does it have to be, y'know, long flowing robes and a throne?


Strictly speaking, you are supposed to subscribe to the conception of God described herein:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM (see particularly Part I, Section 2)

Catholic Church is pretty clear on God being a "person" (three persons actually, but that's complicated) with agency, who has actually done things in history.  So a new age conception of a collective force or feeling isn't really orthodox.

And Catholics wouldn't regard God as "anthropomorphized" but actually the reverse.  They wouldn't believe that we have conceived God as being like us.  They believe that God created us in his own image.
 
2013-11-27 10:48:54 AM
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Louisiana_Sitar_Club: If Francis hops in the papal time machine and does something to fix at least the last couple of centuries then maybe maybe I'll pay some attention.


You said brother. Maybe 'God' can help make this a possibility, being he's so knowing and powerful.

Help the pope go back and clean up all his mistakes.
 
2013-11-27 10:53:38 AM
As a former practicing Catholic current agnostic, I like this guy. A previous poster mentioned that the Church is not changing on the issue of gays, but that's really not true. In his previous statements the Pope has said there is nothing wrong with being gay, what is a sin is gay sex, but stop taking that so seriously.
That makes sense, after all the only sex that is not a sin according to the church is married sex that can lead to conception. Rubbing one out, the beej from the wife, gay sex, the exact same sin.
I wouldn't be surprised, as an economic issue to see the Pope support "civil unions". It's no different than remarriage for a divorced Catholic, you can do it in a civil ceremony but don't expect your local priest to preform the ceremony.
 
2013-11-27 10:58:26 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Gonz: I'm thinking of converting to Catholicism, just because of this Pope.

This is a serious question: is an actual belief in God a requirement to join? 'Cause that could be a deal-breaker.

yeah, that is kind of a deal breaker... I'm afraid you are going to have to continue not collecting stamps.


Gonz: I'm thinking of converting to Catholicism, just because of this Pope.

This is a serious question: is an actual belief in God a requirement to join? 'Cause that could be a deal-breaker.


FWIW, as a practicing Catholic, I would say, and I think Francis would agree, that the Church welcomes you just as you are.
 
2013-11-27 10:59:29 AM

Gonz: I'm thinking of converting to Catholicism, just because of this Pope.

This is a serious question: is an actual belief in God a requirement to join? 'Cause that could be a deal-breaker.


As an ex-catholic I find this Pope to be the most Christ-like in living memory.  Hell, he's one of the most Christ-like of any religious figure in recent memory.

But, as someone who spent 12 years in Catholic school, not only is the God thing a problem, but the whole cannibal thing is off-putting.  Not once could any of my religion teachers explain it, and the one time I asked it got me in trouble.

Let's see, the wafer and wine are *actually* turned into a real body and blood, even though they never change shape or even twinkle a little.  The problem I have is *why* you want it to turn into body parts.  Sure, Jesus said "this is my body" at the last supper, and there's the whole Passover backstory, but why the hell did Jesus pick a cannibalistic metaphor?  He could have picked anything, and he picked the image of people eating his actual body parts.

Even if you assume the Protestant view that it was symbolic, why the heck would he use a cannibalistic symbol?
 
2013-11-27 11:06:44 AM

czei: As an ex-catholic I find this Pope to be the most Christ-like in living memory. Hell, he's one of the most Christ-like of any religious figure in recent memory.


Very true. But why now? Why is his behavior in such contrast to all the other popes before him?

Behold a pale horse.
 
2013-11-27 11:10:02 AM

czei: Gonz: I'm thinking of converting to Catholicism, just because of this Pope.

This is a serious question: is an actual belief in God a requirement to join? 'Cause that could be a deal-breaker.

As an ex-catholic I find this Pope to be the most Christ-like in living memory.  Hell, he's one of the most Christ-like of any religious figure in recent memory.

But, as someone who spent 12 years in Catholic school, not only is the God thing a problem, but the whole cannibal thing is off-putting.  Not once could any of my religion teachers explain it, and the one time I asked it got me in trouble.

Let's see, the wafer and wine are *actually* turned into a real body and blood, even though they never change shape or even twinkle a little.  The problem I have is *why* you want it to turn into body parts.  Sure, Jesus said "this is my body" at the last supper, and there's the whole Passover backstory, but why the hell did Jesus pick a cannibalistic metaphor?  He could have picked anything, and he picked the image of people eating his actual body parts.

Even if you assume the Protestant view that it was symbolic, why the heck would he use a cannibalistic symbol?


i41.tinypic.com
 
2013-11-27 11:12:19 AM

ikanreed: Come on, Francis, do it.  Knock over those money changers' tables.


Are you high or something? You know how much money they would lose if they stopped laundering the mobs money?
 
2013-11-27 11:16:34 AM
Thanks, everybody, for the answers. I guess Catholicism's out for me. I'll still keep on supporting this Pope in spirit, and trying to do a little more every day to help out someone less fortunate.
 
2013-11-27 11:20:38 AM
What if I just view God as an amalgamation of the collective love, knowledge, mercy, and forgiveness that is universally present, which, in combination with the laws of physics, humanity has managed to anthropomorphize in an attempt to somehow enable our simple primate brains to come close to understanding the concept?

Or does it have to be, y'know, long flowing robes and a throne?



And lightning bolts. Don't forget the lightning bolts
 
2013-11-27 11:31:14 AM

trivial use of my dark powers: You tell 'em Pope Frankie!

/Seriously liking this guy.
//He's got me thinking nice things about Christianity again
///Got horribly disillusioned and pissed off during W's reign and haven't gotten over it yet.


I did not know that W was the Pope. He sure was a busy guy
 
2013-11-27 11:37:27 AM
Better them getting their hands dirty with that than getting their dongers dirty with the alter boys.
 
2013-11-27 11:40:11 AM
So what are the odds the elite will take him out because he mentioned Trickle Down by name?
 
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