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2013-11-27 10:26:34 AM
aviewfromtheright.com

/drtfa
 
2013-11-27 10:48:20 AM

SecretAgentWoman: [aviewfromtheright.com image 498x355]

/drtfa


This is a better thought anyway.
 
2013-11-27 10:53:46 AM
Are we talking like a Benjamin Franklin designed and organized barn?
 
2013-11-27 10:55:07 AM
buy a property that can have livestock if you want livestock.
 
2013-11-27 10:55:52 AM
St. Petersburg has an ordinance against livestock (goats, horses and cattle included) within 100 feet of a residence. Shelby and Gabby must go, the letter said.
Fiore, 28, and Auer, 27, are fighting back.


I actually thought about getting a goat (goat cheese, and I have a small yard to mow), or maybe a chicken or something, but then I checked the codes. Can't do it--I live in town.

Apparently they didn't check the codes.
 
2013-11-27 10:58:42 AM

cryinoutloud: St. Petersburg has an ordinance against livestock (goats, horses and cattle included) within 100 feet of a residence. Shelby and Gabby must go, the letter said.
Fiore, 28, and Auer, 27, are fighting back.

I actually thought about getting a goat (goat cheese, and I have a small yard to mow), or maybe a chicken or something, but then I checked the codes. Can't do it--I live in town.

Apparently they didn't check the codes.


Farking hipsters.
 
2013-11-27 10:59:41 AM
Good one, subby. I actually chuckled.
 
2013-11-27 11:06:00 AM
There's hardly enough wool on that tiny little sheep to knit a hat with. xD
 
2013-11-27 11:07:28 AM

Headso: buy a property that can have livestock if you want livestock.


What's the legal difference between a "pet" and "livestock"?  If I have no interest in eating the animal, or harvesting it's eggs or milk, is it still "livestock"?  What about a horse?  Is a horse "livestock" or would that be a "pet"?
 
2013-11-27 11:08:05 AM
Goats make for nice lawn mowers. They do a good job of getting rid of entire fields of berry brambles, thistles, and noxious weeds, as well as everything else in your yard. I've read countless stories of people that rent them by the acre for brush and grass clearing. However......don't move into a place without checking livestock codes then demand the city bend to your wants because you don't like real lawn mowers. That and San Francisco allows goats? Citations please.
 
2013-11-27 11:11:54 AM
done in one
 
2013-11-27 11:19:52 AM
Goos for them for trying to go through the proper chanels. I wouldn't be on their side if they first contacted the ACLU, Jessie Jackson and Peta.
 
2013-11-27 11:20:28 AM

Sin_City_Superhero: Headso: buy a property that can have livestock if you want livestock.

What's the legal difference between a "pet" and "livestock"?  If I have no interest in eating the animal, or harvesting it's eggs or milk, is it still "livestock"?  What about a horse?  Is a horse "livestock" or would that be a "pet"?


As an owner of horses I can tell you the towns we have lived in consider them livestock. I personally don't have any problem buying a property around the fact that I need land for the horses we own. That's the real pisser with these people they moved there it wasn't some case where they lived there 30 years with their goat and suddenly the town is taking a shiat on it.
 
2013-11-27 11:37:15 AM
These kind of laws are all fairly recent, less than 100 years ago you had to be able to have at least a horse on your property. I'm for a small, but regulated, number of animals on any lot that has enough room.

I'd say get a variance from the city, but some of these guys are tin-pot dictators and it would be pretty difficult even if all the neighbors were in to it.
 
2013-11-27 11:45:03 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: These kind of laws are all fairly recent, less than 100 years ago you had to be able to have at least a horse on your property. I'm for a small, but regulated, number of animals on any lot that has enough room.

I'd say get a variance from the city, but some of these guys are tin-pot dictators and it would be pretty difficult even if all the neighbors were in to it.


Actually,

The variance is easier to get when you ask for it before doing whatever the hell you want without first researching the regulations first.

This is a pretty common occurrence when many northerners want to move south to beat the cold and "get back to the land".  They seem to think they are immune to the law.

I live in a historic neighborhood and we had a couple move in from New York and put a chicken coop with a cawing rooster, not thinking that this would bother anyone in a residential neighbor hood.

They were shocked when Animal Control came and them them a week to relocate the poultry.

They were lucky because I was going to relocate the rooster with a pellet gun.
 
2013-11-27 11:49:37 AM

boyvoyeur: Goos for them for trying to go through the proper chanels. I wouldn't be on their side if they first contacted the ACLU, Jessie Jackson and Peta.


Chanel #5?
 
2013-11-27 11:51:13 AM
If they don't make a significant amount of noise or smell, then anyone with a problem is clearly a nosy busybody that needs something better to do. They made an exception for pot-bellied pigs in 1992, and since these goats are a pygmy variety, they should make an exception.
 
2013-11-27 11:53:00 AM
At least the kids will have a perfect excuse for things like leaving the doors open and other gross behaviors.

"What is wrong with you? Were you raised in a barn or someth......oh, right."
 
2013-11-27 11:56:16 AM
How about just calling them a new breed of dogs and be done with it? They really can't say that they're not. I'd like to see them try to dispute that.

/obscure
//not real obscure
 
2013-11-27 11:57:33 AM

theflatline: This is a pretty common occurrence when many northerners want to move south to beat the cold and "get back to the land".  They seem to think they are immune to the law.

I live in a historic neighborhood and we had a couple move in from New York and put a chicken coop with a cawing rooster, not thinking that this would bother anyone in a residential neighbor hood.


They probably don't even know zoning laws exist, you can buy 10 houses in florida for the cost of 1 in even upstate NY, they probably never owned a house before and just bought one outright with their security deposit refund on their apartment.
 
2013-11-27 12:17:06 PM

SecretAgentWoman: [aviewfromtheright.com image 498x355]


Awesome.  I relish the thought of Child Protective Services and the 3 Magi getting into a confrontation at the manger. "You ain't getting in here!"
 
2013-11-27 12:19:23 PM

balisane: There's hardly enough wool on that tiny little sheep to knit a hat with. xD


Lovely fleece colour though. And Shetland.

These mini grass chompers are less noisy, messy, and destructive than most dogs and cats.
 
2013-11-27 12:25:09 PM
Is it red? No? Then it's not a barn!
 
2013-11-27 12:30:28 PM

Vector R: They made an exception for pot-bellied pigs in 1992


'Cause the pigs were holding...they ain't called POT-bellied pigs for nothing, ya know.
Pot + bacon = you'd have to be quite mad to not vote for that.
 
2013-11-27 12:33:26 PM
Shelby, a miniature Shetland sheep

Oh, please tell me that's redundant. Shetland sheep are small enough already. I really hope people aren't trying to breed them smaller.

/Not that it would surprise me.
 
2013-11-27 12:35:13 PM
Bovids creep me out.

lh5.ggpht.com

"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
 
2013-11-27 12:43:32 PM
::golf clap:: subby
 
2013-11-27 12:47:29 PM
Fighting to keep this kid

upload.wikimedia.org

but nobody is interested in this one

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-11-27 01:02:28 PM
After my parents got divorced, my dad lived in a barn loft for a while so I'm really getting a kick...
 
Sio
2013-11-27 01:18:44 PM
I can see how they didn't check the codes closely. Many communities that allow chickens, rabbits, and pigs, tend to allow mini goats and sheep as well. At least around Colorado they do... from reading FTA it sounds like the city wants to work with them and allow them to keep the wee critters. Kind of a non-story really, especially if the do change the codes to allow them to keep the baaaad little things.

/love goats
//bravo submitter...
 
2013-11-27 01:48:34 PM
City code should be altered to allow residents to keep goat and sheep if they can keep chickens and other livestock.  These pets are earning their keep and are environmentally correct by keeping lawn "mowed" without a noisy gas powered lawn mower and are reducing city waste by eating the grass as well as couple's food scraps.  Plus they're quiet and well regarded by neighbors (human and canine) who are not complaining.   Regulations which make no sense should be removed from city codes.  Plus they're very cute and should not be removed from their home!
 
2013-11-27 02:07:51 PM

eldie: Regulations which make no sense should be removed from city codes. Plus they're very cute and should not be removed from their home!


Well which is it? Should the regulations that make no sense be removed, or should they not be removed, because they're cute?
 
2013-11-27 02:25:12 PM

eldie: City code should be altered to allow residents to keep goat and sheep if they can keep chickens and other livestock.  These pets are earning their keep and are environmentally correct by keeping lawn "mowed" without a noisy gas powered lawn mower and are reducing city waste by eating the grass as well as couple's food scraps.  Plus they're quiet and well regarded by neighbors (human and canine) who are not complaining.   Regulations which make no sense should be removed from city codes.  Plus they're very cute and should not be removed from their home!


Goats in urban areas can be problematic though. They're tough little guys that jump and head butt things. Meaning, they can get through or over some fences fairly easily and tear up your neighbor's yards and get into things. In more rural areas, that's just something you learn to deal with.
 
2013-11-27 02:57:55 PM

Vector R: If they don't make a significant amount of noise or smell, then anyone with a problem is clearly a nosy busybody that needs something better to do. They made an exception for pot-bellied pigs in 1992, and since these goats are a pygmy variety, they should make an exception.


There are reasons why animals are not allowed in large numbers in urban settings. Poop, for instance. Poop is all kinds of problems. It can smell, rot, and create run-off that must be treated. You are not free to do whatever the hell you want because many choices have real consequences.

If the local gubmint looks at the pros and cons and decides to allow kids, that's fine. I'm just saying it's not just a simple "I'll do what I want" kind of thing.
 
2013-11-27 03:04:52 PM
Replace the word "goat" with the word "ghost". Makes the article better.
 
2013-11-27 03:17:10 PM
Grew up surrounded by a goat farm, and the lady who owned it was in her 80's and her kids (human ones) were useless, so I used to help her out. Little cusses really can get out of *anything*, but don't tend to be destructive about it. Sometimes they'd to jump the fence into our yard, but rather than eat the 'pretty' flowers and such in the garden, they'd just eat the weeds. The 50 or so acres always looked like a perfectly manicured lawn, with almost no weeds... and they didn't *over* graze like horses and cows tend to so it was always lush green grass kept exactly a perfect height.

When she passed, her son sold off the goats and divided the pasture into lots. Said he was going to build houses, but a decade later it was all empty, ugly, overgrown lots. The nearby church eventually bought most of the land and built a school -- the land was turned into a bunch of portable classrooms and looked even *worse* than the overgrown lots. Now the school is closing, so I'm looking forward to the hobos moving into the portables.

... uh, where was I going with this? Goats are pretty cool and useful. These folk live near me, so maybe I'll try to convince Mr. forwork we need a goat if this goes in their favor...
 
2013-11-27 03:39:55 PM

safeforwork: Grew up surrounded by a goat farm, and the lady who owned it was in her 80's and her kids (human ones) were useless, so I used to help her out. Little cusses really can get out of *anything*, but don't tend to be destructive about it. Sometimes they'd to jump the fence into our yard, but rather than eat the 'pretty' flowers and such in the garden, they'd just eat the weeds. The 50 or so acres always looked like a perfectly manicured lawn, with almost no weeds... and they didn't *over* graze like horses and cows tend to so it was always lush green grass kept exactly a perfect height.

When she passed, her son sold off the goats and divided the pasture into lots. Said he was going to build houses, but a decade later it was all empty, ugly, overgrown lots. The nearby church eventually bought most of the land and built a school -- the land was turned into a bunch of portable classrooms and looked even *worse* than the overgrown lots. Now the school is closing, so I'm looking forward to the hobos moving into the portables.

... uh, where was I going with this? Goats are pretty cool and useful. These folk live near me, so maybe I'll try to convince Mr. forwork we need a goat if this goes in their favor...


Most goats are excellent for lawn care purposes or keeping large areas trimmed because of exactly what you said. they tend to avoid flowers (they will eat your flowering plants before they bloom though) and they are 'lazy' in that they'll eat green vegetation that is tall rather than reach lower so they are pretty good at getting weeds which tend to grow faster/taller than grass and keeping your whole lawn trim rather than destroying a patch before moving on.  Sheep are pretty much the opposite in these respects. They pull when the browse damaging the roots and will leave completely bare patches in your lawn if you don't actually force them to move around.
 
2013-11-27 06:20:14 PM

cryinoutloud: St. Petersburg has an ordinance against livestock (goats, horses and cattle included) within 100 feet of a residence. Shelby and Gabby must go, the letter said.
Fiore, 28, and Auer, 27, are fighting back.

I actually thought about getting a goat (goat cheese, and I have a small yard to mow), or maybe a chicken or something, but then I checked the codes. Can't do it--I live in town.

Apparently they didn't check the codes.


Seriously. Even my dinky little village has the codes up in a Word document on the interwebs, which is how I found out I couldn't get a chicken.
 
2013-11-27 08:02:23 PM
Goat pic in profile. It's dead now. :(
 
2013-11-27 09:32:06 PM

Jument: Vector


Jument: Vector R: If they don't make a significant amount of noise or smell, then anyone with a problem is clearly a nosy busybody that needs something better to do. They made an exception for pot-bellied pigs in 1992, and since these goats are a pygmy variety, they should make an exception.

There are reasons why animals are not allowed in large numbers in urban settings. Poop, for instance. Poop is all kinds of problems. It can smell, rot, and create run-off that must be treated. You are not free to do whatever the hell you want because many choices have real consequences.

If the local gubmint looks at the pros and cons and decides to allow kids, that's fine. I'm just saying it's not just a simple "I'll do what I want" kind of thing.


There's two of them. That's not large numbers. If they had a little herd of 5-6 of 'em, okay, yea, that might present a problem. Only two non-noisy, small, not particularly smelly non-traditional pets? Somebody decided to be a busybody.
 
2013-11-28 01:09:05 AM

Fafai: Goat pic in profile. It's dead now. :(


I'm sorry for your lost pet.

However, I feel I must point out BRISCO COUNTY.
 
2013-11-28 04:21:35 PM

ladyfortuna: Fafai: Goat pic in profile. It's dead now. :(

I'm sorry for your lost pet.

However, I feel I must point out BRISCO COUNTY.


Comet's probably dead now, too.

/eats a green apple
//this one's for you, boy
///*sniff*
 
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