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(NPR)   The one gift President Obama can still give Democrats seeking reelection in 2014? Cash   (npr.org) divider line 11
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2013-11-27 07:41:00 AM  
3 votes:
Obamacare glitches are the death knell for Democrats in 2014? That's a pretty stupid rehash of right-wing talking points, NPR.

Want immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship? Vote for Democrats.
Want background checks for gun purchases? Vote for Democrats.
Want to protect gay and lesbian people from employment discrimination? Vote for Democrats.
Want to raise the minimum wage? Vote for Democrats.
Want to pass the Buffet Rule? Vote for Democrats.
Want to reverse voter suppression laws? Vote for Democrats.
Want to preserve a woman's right to choose? Vote for Democrats.
Want to close Guantanamo Bay? Vote for Democrats.
Want to invest in infrastructure? Vote for Democrats.
Want to invest in renewable energy? Vote for Democrats.
Want to invest in science, education, technology, and public safety? Vote for Democrats.
Want to pass a jobs bill? Vote for Democrats.
Want a functioning Congress? Vote for Democrats.

Want to continue being able to go to the doctor? Vote for Democrats.

Because guess what, NPR. People like being able to go to the doctor. People like being able to take their kids to the doctor without having to skip paying the rent. People like being able to go to the doctor without having to declare bankruptcy. People like being able to get medicine without skipping food. People like being able to get preventative care to keep a small problem from become catastrophic. So while you, NPR, may view providing healthcare to millions of Americans as Obama's Achilles' heel, real people in the real world are thrilled. And your shouting "GLITCHES BAD!" into the echo chamber is not only uninteresting, it makes you seem irrelevant.
2013-11-27 03:21:25 AM  
3 votes:

Mentat: So the Democrats will take his money, they just want him to stay away from them.  Lovely party, the Democrats.


Something tells me Obama will have a greater presence in at the 2016 and 2020 Democratic national convention than Bush had at the 2008 and 2012 Republican national conventions.

In other words, they won't deny his very existence.

Just a hunch.
2013-11-27 10:00:39 AM  
2 votes:

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Depends on the aspect of women's health you're talking about. If it's truly on the health/science side, then get the Cato guy out of there. If you're talking politics and public policy, then the doctor is the one who might well be out of place.


Here's a thought, let's not have women's health have anything to do with politics.
2013-11-27 10:54:10 AM  
1 votes:

Danger Mouse: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Depends on the aspect of women's health you're talking about. If it's truly on the health/science side, then get the Cato guy out of there. If you're talking politics and public policy, then the doctor is the one who might well be out of place.

what_now: Here's a thought, let's not have women's health have anything to do with politics.

Danger Mouse: Hey, Sandra Fluke needs to get her free birth control because the $9 free market prescription was too much of a burden.


Do you ever wonder why the majority of women vote for Democrats?

I'll give you a hint. Most women would view that comment as both reflecting tremendous ignorance and dismissal of their concerns. Some would view it as borderline misogynistic.
2013-11-27 08:52:30 AM  
1 votes:

Aar1012: log_jammin: Should President Obama be as unpopular once the 2014 midterm campaign is in full swing as he is now, there are likely to be more than a few vulnerable Democrats who'd prefer that he stay as far away from their districts as possible.

I will never ever again vote for a president that can't program.

Seriously, the president is unpopular because a website couldn't work at launch. It's not like he shut the damned government down.

/What the hell is wrong with us?


LOL. Even with the "Goverment Shut Down" (we've been shut down and on Continuing Resolution  since 2010.)  Things are still working better than the healthcare web site.  And that's pretty farking sad. But be clear, the "shutdown" isn't just this latest pissing contest. It's been a circle jerk for years,  I love how the latest dispute has become "THE SHUTDOWN".

Yea, the website isn't health care. We get that.  What it is though is the first major step in rolling out the obamacare turd and represents how poorly this adminstration has a handle on the whole thing.   This should have been an easy mile stone to achieve , but it was so  farked up it's laughable.  it's like letting your teenager take the car out for the first time after they beg and plead for weeks how responsible they are and they back it through the garage door.

It's not about just a website, its about how the whole thing was handled and this adminstrations repsonse to it.


What is it that libtards love to say about chickens?  yea, you got some feathers on your pants, and on your chin too.

/If you like your chicken, you can keep your chicken. Period.
2013-11-27 08:19:21 AM  
1 votes:

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: I could give fark-all about Cato. They're not the point, but apparently you have enough of a bug up your butt about them that you can't see through your own rage. Replace "Cato" with a public policy group that you *do* like, the point still stands.



If you're going to make a point about how 'experts' should not be in charge of public policy (there are some arguments against technocrats), you should at least cite 'experts' and not a  political shill organization of pure ideology -- the exact opposite of 'experts.'  It undercuts your point.
2013-11-27 07:58:44 AM  
1 votes:

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Alphax: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Alphax: GoldSpider: Alphax: Propaganda. And even NPR is helping push it.

How dare they report on things that happen.  NPR is almost as bad, anymore, as some Murdoch rag.

They are pretty bad at anything related to domestic politics lately.

'For today's discussion of women's health, we have this doctor with decades of experience in women's health, and we have this guy from the Cato Institute.'

Depends on the aspect of women's health you're talking about. If it's truly on the health/science side, then get the Cato guy out of there. If you're talking politics and public policy, then the doctor is the one who might well be out of place.

Letting subject matter experts drive policy decisions is a bad idea. Their input is critical, but they are operating in a context where things like compromise and prioritization are not really an issue. If you ask a doctor, "would it be better if no one smoked cigarettes?", they're all going to say yes. But turning that into a public policy that is appropriate, cost-effective and doesn't lead to too many unintended consequences is out of their realm. And also don't forget that they have their own agendas as well; they might not be as obvious as the defense lobbyist advocating for a hawkish foreign policy, but self-interest still needs to be considered when getting their input.

You work for Cato?

No. But congratulations on summoning the analytical and reasoning skills required to deliver that powerful counterargument.


Well, I'm mystified why you'd want Cato anywhere near public policy.  They were created by the Koch Brothers as a way to come up with fake intellectual sounding justifications for their 'screw everyone else' policies.
2013-11-27 07:36:32 AM  
1 votes:

GoldSpider: Alphax: Propaganda. And even NPR is helping push it.

How dare they report on things that happen.  NPR is almost as bad, anymore, as some Murdoch rag.


your shtick is getting tiresome.
2013-11-27 07:28:09 AM  
1 votes:

Aar1012: Seriously, the president is unpopular because a website couldn't work at launch. It's not like he shut the damned government down.

/What the hell is wrong with us?


It's your media more than anything else, specifically those claiming to be in the news business.

Filled with false equivalency fallacies, softball questions in exchange for access and lots of tabloitastic fluff.

They have failed you so hard.
2013-11-27 07:10:54 AM  
1 votes:

GoldSpider: Alphax: Propaganda. And even NPR is helping push it.

How dare they report on things that happen.  NPR is almost as bad, anymore, as some Murdoch rag.


They are pretty bad at anything related to domestic politics lately.

'For today's discussion of women's health, we have this doctor with decades of experience in women's health, and we have this guy from the Cato Institute.'
2013-11-27 12:22:40 AM  
1 votes:
Should President Obama be as unpopular once the 2014 midterm campaign is in full swing as he is now, there are likely to be more than a few vulnerable Democrats who'd prefer that he stay as far away from their districts as possible.

I will never ever again vote for a president that can't program.
 
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