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(News 13 Orlando)   Father of the year candidate cheers on his son in a "consensual fight", then when his son is losing jumps in and attacks the other kid   (mynews13.com) divider line 55
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2013-11-26 11:43:52 PM
Someone's off camera holding his beer.
 
2013-11-27 12:01:44 AM
It depends on if it was a fair fight or not.

One kid's much bigger, beats the other down easily but doesn't do anything dirty? Fair.

Many on one, or kicking on the ground, or a weapon vs unarmed? Morally, you have to intercede if you can.
 
2013-11-27 12:17:44 AM

doglover: It depends on if it was a fair fight or not.

One kid's much bigger, beats the other down easily but doesn't do anything dirty? Fair.

Many on one, or kicking on the ground, or a weapon vs unarmed? Morally, you have to intercede if you can.


Well it was a "consensual fight" so obviously there were some starting rules involved.

Of course daddy threw all that out the window by jumping in. Sounds like the crowd was pretty upset too. I wonder what the odds were.
 
2013-11-27 12:31:01 AM
Sounds like the odds were pretty bad for the kid. Sudden father son tag team? Being picked up to be hit again? That's some epic WWF heel stuff.
 
2013-11-27 12:40:07 AM
Stopping a fight that had moved to the ground?  OK.
Jumping in and hitting the kid that had gotten the better of your kid?  Not OK
 
2013-11-27 01:58:33 AM

scottydoesntknow: Well it was a "consensual fight" so obviously there were some starting rules involved.


"consensual fight" does not mean that two buddies got together and decided to have a scrap for fun.
 
2013-11-27 02:03:01 AM
well now. The article wasn't very clear on exactly what happened but apparently submitter's headline was actually correct for a change.

The dad DID arrange the fight. Now with actual video of the incident.
 
2013-11-27 02:03:41 AM
How did I know that this guy was white?
 
2013-11-27 02:07:56 AM

ksdanj: How did I know that this guy was white?


he was with his kid?

/I'm so sorry...
 
2013-11-27 03:18:30 AM
How did I know this guy wouldn't be wearing a shirt?

And holding a beer. He was holding a beer right? Or did I imagine that?
 
2013-11-27 05:16:21 AM
I got a prescription for viagra
 
2013-11-27 05:26:37 AM
1. I don't really see teenagers as "kids". Not that they could defend themselves from a full grown man, but it's not like they were 8 year olds.

2. Was that dog humping them on the ground?
 
2013-11-27 05:29:11 AM
Willie: "You know, I think I've turned a corner."

Marcus: "Yeah? You farking petites now?"

Willie: "No, I'm not talking about that. I beat the shiat out of some kids today. But it was for a purpose. It made me feel good about myself. It was like I did something constructive with my life or something, I dunno, like I accomplished something."

Marcus: "You need many years of therapy. Many, many farkin' years of therapy."
 
2013-11-27 05:54:17 AM
my dad would of bet on the other kid.

/he was a drunk he wasn't farking stupid
 
2013-11-27 06:01:17 AM
No video
 
2013-11-27 06:01:31 AM
"If he starts winning, kill him."
 
2013-11-27 06:02:52 AM

log_jammin: scottydoesntknow: Well it was a "consensual fight" so obviously there were some starting rules involved.

"consensual fight" does not mean that two buddies got together and decided to have a scrap for fun.


No, but since a crowd and dad were arranged it's likely that at least "nothing below the belt" was established.
 
2013-11-27 06:03:53 AM
Well, since dog fighting is illegal Michael Vick has to do SOMETHING to fill the time.

/yep, going straight to Hell for that one
 
2013-11-27 06:20:47 AM
We almost don't need the Florida tag any longer, as I assume anything this stupid is going to be there
 
2013-11-27 06:22:06 AM

mike_d85: No, but since a crowd and dad were arranged it's likely that at least "nothing below the belt" was established.


you mean the dad who jumped in and started beating up the kid? Yeah, I'm sure he's a real stickler for setting up rules...

drjekel_mrhyde: No video


2013-11-27 02:03:01 AM
 
2013-11-27 06:23:56 AM

swordfight.org


ALL. BETS. ARE. OFF.

 
2013-11-27 06:38:04 AM
I'm glad to see the father was arrested but I would have loved to see the other kid beat the shiat out of him.
 
2013-11-27 06:54:17 AM
Carl Thomas Nicks was arrested Saturday for the assault, which happened the day before, according to Satellite Beach police.

Nick got nicked.
 
2013-11-27 07:22:21 AM

Gayzilla: I'm glad to see the father was arrested but I would have loved to see the other kid beat the shiat out of him.


This.   In fact both would've been perfect.

Unless it is a clearly organized fight, there should be no rules.  If it is some scrap, anything short of weapons is a fair fight.

And even with weapons, I may make a
concession.
 
2013-11-27 07:22:53 AM

scottydoesntknow: doglover: It depends on if it was a fair fight or not.

One kid's much bigger, beats the other down easily but doesn't do anything dirty? Fair.

Many on one, or kicking on the ground, or a weapon vs unarmed? Morally, you have to intercede if you can.

Well it was a "consensual fight" so obviously there were some starting rules involved.

Of course daddy threw all that out the window by jumping in. Sounds like the crowd was pretty upset too. I wonder what the odds were.


Yeah, if it's "consensusal" you don't get involved.
 
2013-11-27 07:27:36 AM

log_jammin: well now. The article wasn't very clear on exactly what happened but apparently submitter's headline was actually correct for a change.

The dad DID arrange the fight. Now with actual video of the incident.


Hope the dog doesn't get in trouble.  What a d*ck.
 
2013-11-27 07:30:18 AM

Arumat: Well, since dog fighting is illegal Michael Vick has to do SOMETHING to fill the time.

/yep, going straight to Hell for that one


Not really, I HATE Michael and recently I saw a survey of the least-liked NFL player and he was #1
 
2013-11-27 07:33:48 AM
Wait a sec...  The dad (rightly) gets arrested for being a dipshiat, but the mom that was there *watching the fight* didn't get charged? The video flat out said that it was illegal for her to watch the fight, and to do nothing. I mean, good on her for pulling Drunky McshiatStain off her 14 year old, but shouldn't she have tried to break it up?
 
2013-11-27 07:40:16 AM

Cold_Sassy: log_jammin: well now. The article wasn't very clear on exactly what happened but apparently submitter's headline was actually correct for a change.

The dad DID arrange the fight. Now with actual video of the incident.

Hope the dog doesn't get in trouble.  What a d*ck.


It was probably the 14 y/o's dog. The kids mom was standing there watching, the dog was on a retractable leash, and only seemed to get involved to try and protect his human. I suspect the dog will be fine.

Shame he didn't bite the dad in the nuts...
 
2013-11-27 07:43:11 AM

Hz so good: Wait a sec...  The dad (rightly) gets arrested for being a dipshiat, but the mom that was there *watching the fight* didn't get charged? The video flat out said that it was illegal for her to watch the fight, and to do nothing. I mean, good on her for pulling Drunky McshiatStain off her 14 year old, but shouldn't she have tried to break it up?


isn't being married to that guy punishment enough?
 
2013-11-27 07:45:29 AM

Hz so good: Cold_Sassy: log_jammin: well now. The article wasn't very clear on exactly what happened but apparently submitter's headline was actually correct for a change.

The dad DID arrange the fight. Now with actual video of the incident.

Hope the dog doesn't get in trouble.  What a d*ck.

It was probably the 14 y/o's dog. The kids mom was standing there watching, the dog was on a retractable leash, and only seemed to get involved to try and protect his human. I suspect the dog will be fine.

Shame he didn't bite the dad in the nuts...


Yes, that's the takeaway I got too.  I live in Ohio, which I've been watching other farkers BEG for a tag, but even we don't do this.
 
2013-11-27 07:46:01 AM

log_jammin: Hz so good: Wait a sec...  The dad (rightly) gets arrested for being a dipshiat, but the mom that was there *watching the fight* didn't get charged? The video flat out said that it was illegal for her to watch the fight, and to do nothing. I mean, good on her for pulling Drunky McshiatStain off her 14 year old, but shouldn't she have tried to break it up?

isn't being married to that guy punishment enough?


other kids mom
 
2013-11-27 07:46:35 AM

log_jammin: you mean the dad who jumped in and started beating up the kid? Yeah, I'm sure he's a real stickler for setting up rules...


Presumably to stack the odds in his kid's favor/even the odds, yeah I'd believe it.

Hz so good: Wait a sec...  The dad (rightly) gets arrested for being a dipshiat, but the mom that was there *watching the fight* didn't get charged? The video flat out said that it was illegal for her to watch the fight, and to do nothing. I mean, good on her for pulling Drunky McshiatStain off her 14 year old, but shouldn't she have tried to break it up?


There are people who honestly believe letting people who want to fight finish the fight is a good idea.  Depending on the people and the enviornment I think it can be an unhealthy, but effective conflict resolver.  Particularly over petty crap that's 90% dominance arguing.
 
2013-11-27 07:52:34 AM
If both sides are throwing punches, doesn't that make it "consensual" by definition? I mean, one side may not have wanted to fight initially, but after being hit a few times, they presumably changed their mind and now consent to the fighting... To be a non-consensual fight, you'd have to be laying a beatdown on some Gandhi/Jesus type who just refuses to participate... And, that's not much of a "fight" by definition, but more a "beating"...
 
2013-11-27 08:04:02 AM

RobSeace: If both sides are throwing punches, doesn't that make it "consensual" by definition? I mean, one side may not have wanted to fight initially, but after being hit a few times, they presumably changed their mind and now consent to the fighting... To be a non-consensual fight, you'd have to be laying a beatdown on some Gandhi/Jesus type who just refuses to participate... And, that's not much of a "fight" by definition, but more a "beating"...


I don't see how protecting yourself from an aggressor is consenting. Is a rape victim consenting if they "take it"? That's what your logic dictates.
 
2013-11-27 08:04:27 AM
mike_d85: There are people who honestly believe letting people who want to fight finish the fight is a good idea.  Depending on the people and the enviornment I think it can be an unhealthy, but effective conflict resolver.  Particularly over petty crap that's 90% dominance arguing.

Between two adults? Sure. Let 'em fight.  Domestic dispute? I'll call 911, and/or film it for evidence, but no way am I getting in the middle of that.

But two KIDS? No. I'm old enough now, that I just can't understand how another adult would just watch two kids wail on each other, and not break it up. Kids are supposed to be stupid, what's the adults excuse?

Seriously, if the kids wanna fight, put them in a boxing ring with proper equipment and supervision, and let 'em wear themselves out wailing on each other. DON'T set up your own dumbassed version of Kiddie Fight Club.
 
2013-11-27 08:07:20 AM
Sounds like dad did exactly what he should have. Nothing to see here.
 
2013-11-27 08:08:01 AM

Hz so good: mike_d85: There are people who honestly believe letting people who want to fight finish the fight is a good idea.  Depending on the people and the enviornment I think it can be an unhealthy, but effective conflict resolver.  Particularly over petty crap that's 90% dominance arguing.

Between two adults? Sure. Let 'em fight.  Domestic dispute? I'll call 911, and/or film it for evidence, but no way am I getting in the middle of that.

But two KIDS? No. I'm old enough now, that I just can't understand how another adult would just watch two kids wail on each other, and not break it up. Kids are supposed to be stupid, what's the adults excuse?

Seriously, if the kids wanna fight, put them in a boxing ring with proper equipment and supervision, and let 'em wear themselves out wailing on each other. DON'T set up your own dumbassed version of Kiddie Fight Club.


1 out of 3 aint bad?  Well, I suppose that depends on the supervisor.
 
2013-11-27 08:19:38 AM
Dad!! You just ruined my street cred!
 
2013-11-27 08:24:20 AM

Katolu: I don't see how protecting yourself from an aggressor is consenting.


Protecting oneself would be blocking or dodging any incoming punches, or just running away... If you start throwing your own punches, then you're participating actively in the fight... At that point, you want to fight, even if your only goal is to beat the other guy into submission so that he stops hitting you... I'm not making a value judgement here or anything; I'm just saying you can't really have a "fight", by definition, unless there are two willing participants... If one side is not willing to fight back, what you get is either a beating or a failed attempt at one...

I refuse to even address the stupid rape analogy... It's bad and you should feel bad for making it...
 
2013-11-27 08:29:55 AM
Florida is a trailer park
 
2013-11-27 08:31:42 AM
My dad would tel me to get my licks in and take my lumps.
If I was jumped by a band of brothers, however, he would pop their dad in the nose.
Yeah, he did that.
 
2013-11-27 08:40:09 AM
mike_d85:  Between two adults? Sure. Let 'em fight.  Domestic dispute? I'll call 911, and/or film it for evidence, but no way am I getting in the middle of that.

But two KIDS? No. I'm old enough now, that I just can't understand how another adult would just watch two kids wail on each other, and not break it up. Kids are supposed to be stupid, what's the adults excuse?

Seriously, if the kids wanna fight, put them in a boxing ring with proper equipment and supervision, and let 'em wear themselves out wailing on each other. DON'T set up your own dumbassed version of Kiddie Fight Club.

1 out of 3 aint bad?  Well, I suppose that depends on the supervisor.


I'll have to concede that point to you. :P

I'm pretty sure Mugato is right. Between the gut, and punching a 14 y/o, there was most likely someone holding his beer off-camera.
 
2013-11-27 08:42:29 AM
Will there be year-end voting to determine who really was the Fark father/ mother of the year for 2013?

i think we should do that.
 
2013-11-27 08:49:39 AM

SlothB77: Will there be year-end voting to determine who really was the Fark father/ mother of the year for 2013?

i think we should do that.


lulz. I agree.
 
2013-11-27 09:02:39 AM
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He was never the same after Happy Gilmore beat him
 
2013-11-27 09:36:29 AM

Katolu: RobSeace: If both sides are throwing punches, doesn't that make it "consensual" by definition? I mean, one side may not have wanted to fight initially, but after being hit a few times, they presumably changed their mind and now consent to the fighting... To be a non-consensual fight, you'd have to be laying a beatdown on some Gandhi/Jesus type who just refuses to participate... And, that's not much of a "fight" by definition, but more a "beating"...

I don't see how protecting yourself from an aggressor is consenting. Is a rape victim consenting if they "take it"? That's what your logic dictates.


He is being pedantic.  His argument is that a fight requires symmetrical participation, so, by definition, it is consensual.  It is a dumb argument.
 
2013-11-27 09:53:55 AM

MycroftHolmes: He is being pedantic. His argument is that a fight requires symmetrical participation, so, by definition, it is consensual. It is a dumb argument.


Correct... And, it was mostly just done tongue in cheek, anyway... I'm just amused by silly terms that seem redundant or contradictory...
 
2013-11-27 10:22:12 AM

RobSeace: MycroftHolmes: He is being pedantic. His argument is that a fight requires symmetrical participation, so, by definition, it is consensual. It is a dumb argument.

Correct... And, it was mostly just done tongue in cheek, anyway... I'm just amused by silly terms that seem redundant or contradictory...


Fair enough.  Sarcastic pedantry is hiughly encouraged...just so hard to tell when you get a smartass or a jackass.  Perhaps 'arranged fight' would have more accurately described the context of the articlke
 
2013-11-27 10:30:55 AM

doglover: Morally, you have to intercede if you can


Whatever dude, it's assault now.
 
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