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(ESPN)   Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine make their debuts on the Hall of Fame ballot. Chicks dig the the 300-game winners   ( espn.go.com) divider line
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2013-11-27 11:43:11 AM  

machoprogrammer: steamingpile: loooongview1: steamingpile: Simple sight, Aaron didnt swell up to Arnold size during his career and you're an idiot if you think speed is even remotely close to the same category as steroids. But we've come to expect that from you in baseball threads, just accept the players you named cheated at life and move on.

I agree with this, but not for the reasons you posit.  Speed improves the ability of hitters to make contact with the ball, and that's way more of a performance enhancement than roids.  With the juice you still have to make good contact with the ball.

In the 70s when Aaron admitted he used once? No it wasnt nearly the same it made you very jittery and was mainly used to cover up hangovers.

In the 80s they tweaked steroids and they worked better on fast twitch muscles, as Ben Johnson showed while winning gold medals.

Now mentioning adderal would be close since they were a tweaked version of speed in the 90s but those weren't available during Aaron's playing days. Still after reading the testing policies then people are an idiot if they get caught, it was posted in one of these threads earlier that they only test for elevated test levels and not masking agents. That makes any test irrelevant and highly unlikely to catch a careful or wealthy user.

So some PEDs are ok but others aren't? What about LASIK? That would help more than steroids for a guy with poor vision


Who said any were ok? I just said that there is a huge difference in the pharmacology time frame since medical technology has changed so much in a short time. LASIK is a legitimate medical procedure and used for daily life as well, unless you have a medical need for steroids then most dont need them and those that do need them are most likely not playing sports at the highest levels.
 
2013-11-27 11:48:43 AM  

machoprogrammer: So some PEDs are ok but others aren't? What about LASIK? That would help more than steroids for a guy with poor vision


Troy Glaus had Lasik before the 2004 season.  He had a better than average season compared to his career numbers, but his numbers didn't appreciably grow in the following years to show any real difference despite being in his prime years.
 
2013-11-27 11:48:52 AM  

rcf1105: Greg Maddux should be unanimous, but he won't be. I hate how the BBWAA plays games with their ballots.


"Consarnit, if Cap Anson didn't get in unanimously, nobody should!"
 
2013-11-27 11:50:35 AM  

steamingpile: Who said any were ok? I just said that there is a huge difference in the pharmacology time frame since medical technology has changed so much in a short time. LASIK is a legitimate medical procedure and used for daily life as well, unless you have a medical need for steroids then most dont need them and those that do need them are most likely not playing sports at the highest levels.


Low Testosterone is recognized in some sports and is basically treated with steroids.  The Nevada State Athletic Commission allows this treatment
 
2013-11-27 12:19:04 PM  

Dafatone: How does Musial NOT get "highest" honors, while Ryan does?

Because Musial is hilariously underrated.


He's even more underrated than Ryan is overrated, and that's saying something.

/Yaz and Bench are superior players to Ryan as well.
 
2013-11-27 12:20:43 PM  
If Maddux isn't voted in on the his first ballot then the entire process will be proved to be a farce.

He's one of the best pitchers in baseball history.

Though honestly, I think everyone should be voted in on the first ballot.  I don't understand how worthiness of someone can change AFTER they've already retired.  Doesn't make sense to me.  Either they deserve it at the first ballot or they don't deserve it at all.
 
2013-11-27 12:25:48 PM  

Klippoklondike: If Maddux isn't voted in on the his first ballot then the entire process will be proved to be a farce.

He's one of the best pitchers in baseball history.

Though honestly, I think everyone should be voted in on the first ballot.  I don't understand how worthiness of someone can change AFTER they've already retired.  Doesn't make sense to me.  Either they deserve it at the first ballot or they don't deserve it at all.


If the writers let deserving players into the Hall on the first ballot...  they can't write about them again the next year.
 
2013-11-27 01:45:39 PM  
Speaking of Braves players, whatever happened to Dale Murphy? He had a good run in Atlanta.
 
2013-11-27 04:10:39 PM  

tampaflacouple: Speaking of Braves players, whatever happened to Dale Murphy? He had a good run in Atlanta.


I think he opened the first mormon brothel called the "magic underwear ranch".

/not really
//I heard him on the radio not too long ago. Seems he's fine.
 
2013-11-27 09:12:20 PM  

skeeterjennings: You are correct about their being categorical difference, however, amphetamines are much, much worse.


Yet, the statistics - you know, BASEBALL statistics, not lab statistics - suggest you are wrong.
 
2013-11-28 12:04:06 AM  

bhcompy: Low Testosterone is recognized in some sports and is basically treated with steroids. The Nevada State Athletic Commission allows this treatment


Yes but you have to get tested by their doctors to verify the diagnosis, and yes that is a treatment but it rarely affects men in their 20s to early 30s.

Also since MLBs tests only flag for test too high then someone using this to get them up to normal wouldnt even flag a B sample to be tested.

tampaflacouple: Speaking of Braves players, whatever happened to Dale Murphy? He had a good run in Atlanta.


He calls in every now and then to local radio and has been on the  TV broadcasts last year, nice guy still and I think he had a book out or something....
 
2013-11-28 02:16:47 AM  

puffy999: skeeterjennings: You are correct about their being categorical difference, however, amphetamines are much, much worse.

Yet, the statistics - you know, BASEBALL statistics, not lab statistics - suggest you are wrong.


In what way?  Unless you are trying to make a case for Roger Connor as the true home run king, the statistics you refer to do not exist.
 
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