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(KPHO Phoenix)   Illegal immigrant held in Arizona 'choked and stomped his cellmate to death so he could stay in custody because he likes it in prison'   (kpho.com) divider line 66
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2013-11-26 09:19:13 PM
He was only committing the type of murder that regular Americans won't do.
 
2013-11-26 09:21:23 PM
Sharif Joe know about this?
 
2013-11-26 09:23:21 PM
Three hots and a cot.
 
2013-11-26 09:23:57 PM
F*ckin' spot on Bevan!
 
2013-11-26 09:27:44 PM

The_Sponge: He was only committing the type of murder that regular Americans won't do.

 
2013-11-26 09:28:19 PM
der tak8n or murdurs
 
2013-11-26 09:31:06 PM
Things are so swell at the Corrections Corporations of America private prisons you just never want to leave. They're traded publicly so you too can own a share of the prison-industrial complex! America Fark Yeah.
 
2013-11-26 09:31:19 PM
Well you see, he heard of these roaming gangs of black people who were punching people on the streets and he assumed that prison would be safer.

/He decided that getting AIDs would be a future money making opportunity in prison.
 
2013-11-26 09:31:46 PM
He must REALLY not like Mexico.
 
2013-11-26 09:32:29 PM
Crazy = Crazy
 
2013-11-26 09:32:45 PM

The_Sponge: He was only committing the type of murder that regular Americans won't do.


Done in one.
 
2013-11-26 09:35:57 PM
Why those illegals are so low down, hornswaggled lazy lowlifes they can't even not be in prison right. No wonder we just gotta get rid of em all.

Not buying that story at all.
 
2013-11-26 09:36:00 PM

fusillade762: He must REALLY not like Mexico.

 
2013-11-26 09:39:09 PM
Nice try Sheriff Joe.
 
2013-11-26 09:39:45 PM

fusillade762: He must REALLY not like Mexico.


Better get used to it of he's gonna stay in Arizona.
 
2013-11-26 09:40:32 PM
Though I wouldn't be surprised, it doesn't really say in the article if he was an illegal immigrant or not. If you get convicted of a sex crime you are going to get kicked out of the country legal or otherwise.
 
2013-11-26 09:43:16 PM
The goal in any modern society (that can truly consider itself modern) of its prisons is to serve three purposes. The first is to remove harmful individuals from society, to protect society at large from those who threaten the accepted social mores to such an extreme that to otherwise let them be free would cause great harm to others. The second is to rehabilitate and return to society those criminals who can be rehabilitated. To give them a new start and the tools to build themselves into productive citizens. And the third role of prisons is to act as a deterrent to those who have a tendency to criminality yet can make a conscious decision to refrain from carrying out their impulses under threat of punishment.

Within the prisons themselves, inmates should be protected and safe, even in the most heavy-handed of punishments. Punishments should be conscionable and validate the humanity of the inmate.

The prison failed in so many ways in this case. The cellmate was not protected. The prison represents an attractive alternative to freedom. And this particular inmate is in no way ready to be released because he is clearly not rehabilitated.

What a sad story.
 
2013-11-26 09:45:22 PM
He doesn't really like prison; it's just safer than Mexico.
 
2013-11-26 09:45:50 PM

stuffy: Sharif Joe know about this?


Sharif Joe sounds link some kind of Muslin.
 
2013-11-26 09:56:18 PM

sheep snorter: Well you see, he heard of these roaming gangs of black people who were punching people on the streets and he assumed that prison would be safer.

/He decided that getting AIDs would be a future money making opportunity in prison.


Yeah, but he was all broken up because of what happened to his girlfriend. Some jerk slipped her some Spanish Fly, and she got so horny she f**ked herself to death on the stick shift knob of a 1963 Corvette.
 
2013-11-26 10:01:53 PM
the ickey shuffle, amirite?
 
2013-11-26 10:02:22 PM
That'll work, I guess.
 
2013-11-26 10:07:43 PM
Make sure his next cell mate is the biggest peckerwood you can find.
 
2013-11-26 10:07:51 PM

stuffy: Sharif Joe know about this?


He's know that illegal aliens shot JFK.
 
2013-11-26 10:24:40 PM

iron de havilland: stuffy: Sharif Joe know about this?

Sharif Joe sounds link some kind of Muslin.


There's also the fact that the Pinal County Sheriff does not like Joe stickin' his potato nose in Pinal County.
 
2013-11-26 10:24:45 PM
Give him a 30 day jail term, and a new cell mate. Rinse and repeat.
 
2013-11-26 10:25:21 PM
I used to be a cop.  One of the worst fights I was ever in, was with a guy who found out he was being charged with a misdemeanor instead of a felony.   He was a homeless guy, and he had concocted this whole scenario in his head, where he would get arrested, serve a few years, get his GED, learn a trade, then get a bus ticket to his hometown, where he would find a trailer, find a crummy job, then locate his adult children whom he would finally be allowed to contact.  Guy had stolen a bunch of DVD players from WalMart, then tried to sell them in the parking lot.  Thing was, he didn't steal enough to get a felony charge, which meant he was only looking at a few months in the county jail, then getting released locally.
 
2013-11-26 10:28:18 PM
1. Sure he did, right. Mexican immigrant about to be released from an Arizona prison? Right, yeah sure he did that thing.

or

2. The threat of being released and sent back to Mexico without anything to your name or anywhere to go outweighed prison life.

You choose.

Either way, something is terribly wrong.
 
2013-11-26 10:31:10 PM
Hola papá, estoy en la cárcel. Me gusta estar aquí.
 
2013-11-26 10:36:13 PM

BummerDuck: Give him a 30 day jail term, and a new cell mate. Rinse and repeat.


Maybe we can make the prisoners fight in some kind of arena.
 
2013-11-26 10:38:56 PM
Um.
 
2013-11-26 10:39:38 PM
Sheriff Babeu probably set it all up so he could keep this inmate for a sex slave. He likes Mexican men.
 
2013-11-26 10:42:57 PM

UsikFark: BummerDuck: Give him a 30 day jail term, and a new cell mate. Rinse and repeat.

Maybe we can make the prisoners fight in some kind of arena.


it could be a game show, call it "The Jogging Man" so we don't get sued.
 
2013-11-26 10:44:03 PM
Why not the "Sappy" tag? Obviously this is a modern day America tale of star struck lovers. Roberto was soon to be released from prison, and chances are never to be reunited with his convict lover serving life without the possibility of parole. He did what he had to do. He could never leave his lover behind...(if you know what I mean).

Shakespeare would be all over this.
 
2013-11-26 10:44:12 PM

The_Sponge: He was only committing the type of murder that regular Americans won't do.


If you like the prison you're in, you can keep it.
 
2013-11-26 10:50:45 PM

Some Coke Drinking Guy: I used to be a cop.  One of the worst fights I was ever in, was with a guy who found out he was being charged with a misdemeanor instead of a felony.   He was a homeless guy, and he had concocted this whole scenario in his head, where he would get arrested, serve a few years, get his GED, learn a trade, then get a bus ticket to his hometown, where he would find a trailer, find a crummy job, then locate his adult children whom he would finally be allowed to contact.  Guy had stolen a bunch of DVD players from WalMart, then tried to sell them in the parking lot.  Thing was, he didn't steal enough to get a felony charge, which meant he was only looking at a few months in the county jail, then getting released locally.


Wouldn't his fight with you bump up the charges a little?
 
2013-11-26 10:53:53 PM

Lsherm: Some Coke Drinking Guy: I used to be a cop.  One of the worst fights I was ever in, was with a guy who found out he was being charged with a misdemeanor instead of a felony.   He was a homeless guy, and he had concocted this whole scenario in his head, where he would get arrested, serve a few years, get his GED, learn a trade, then get a bus ticket to his hometown, where he would find a trailer, find a crummy job, then locate his adult children whom he would finally be allowed to contact.  Guy had stolen a bunch of DVD players from WalMart, then tried to sell them in the parking lot.  Thing was, he didn't steal enough to get a felony charge, which meant he was only looking at a few months in the county jail, then getting released locally.

Wouldn't his fight with you bump up the charges a little?


Pretty sure he or someone else has told that story on here before.
 
2013-11-26 10:55:42 PM

Lsherm: Some Coke Drinking Guy: I used to be a cop.  One of the worst fights I was ever in, was with a guy who found out he was being charged with a misdemeanor instead of a felony.   He was a homeless guy, and he had concocted this whole scenario in his head, where he would get arrested, serve a few years, get his GED, learn a trade, then get a bus ticket to his hometown, where he would find a trailer, find a crummy job, then locate his adult children whom he would finally be allowed to contact.  Guy had stolen a bunch of DVD players from WalMart, then tried to sell them in the parking lot.  Thing was, he didn't steal enough to get a felony charge, which meant he was only looking at a few months in the county jail, then getting released locally.

Wouldn't his fight with you bump up the charges a little?


It would, but we were pissed at him, and the arresting officer didn't want to add the charges, because it was what the guy wanted.  I was just back up.  I would have given it to the guy.  Sad thing is, if you are homeless, bipolar, with a history of violence, prison is just about the only place that is willing to work with you to get you through your problems.  Depending on the state. Plus they give you a place to live.
 
2013-11-26 11:01:03 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-26 11:02:31 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Within the prisons themselves, inmates should be protected and safe, even in the most heavy-handed of punishments. Punishments should be conscionable and validate the humanity of the inmate.

Should be,

but you can't stop every violent situation in prison or anywhere else without chaining everyone down.


AverageAmericanGuy: And this particular inmate is in no way ready to be released because he is clearly not rehabilitated.


You want to expand the powers of prison officials, let them keep inmates until they feel they have been rehabilitated even if they have served their court ordered sentences?
 
2013-11-26 11:10:41 PM
If you're in prison and you commit murder or rape or habitually break the law... Maybe you just need a fresh hot cup of killin'?
 
2013-11-26 11:13:48 PM

DrewCurtisJr: AverageAmericanGuy: And this particular inmate is in no way ready to be released because he is clearly not rehabilitated.

You want to expand the powers of prison officials, let them keep inmates until they feel they have been rehabilitated even if they have served their court ordered sentences?


Yes, but with the goal that all prisoners be released within 10 years of incarceration or evaluated by independent medical staff as incapable of rehabilitation.
 
2013-11-26 11:14:47 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: The goal in any modern society (that can truly consider itself modern) of its prisons is to serve three purposes. The first is to remove harmful individuals from society, to protect society at large from those who threaten the accepted social mores to such an extreme that to otherwise let them be free would cause great harm to others. The second is to rehabilitate and return to society those criminals who can be rehabilitated. To give them a new start and the tools to build themselves into productive citizens. And the third role of prisons is to act as a deterrent to those who have a tendency to criminality yet can make a conscious decision to refrain from carrying out their impulses under threat of punishment.

Within the prisons themselves, inmates should be protected and safe, even in the most heavy-handed of punishments. Punishments should be conscionable and validate the humanity of the inmate.

The prison failed in so many ways in this case. The cellmate was not protected. The prison represents an attractive alternative to freedom. And this particular inmate is in no way ready to be released because he is clearly not rehabilitated.

What a sad story.


Modern prisons:
1) have too short of a period for offenders that they are back on the street. Goes double for overcrowded ones. Do NOT protect inmates enough, nor actively pursue and prosecute offenders.
2) do not rehabilitate enough people. Worse; you spend enough time with the animals of society and you become one to survive. Guess what, you can't turn that off when you leave. Young offenders are given advice on what they did wrong and how not to get caught next time (ironically by people in jail). They learn new techniques in crime. They might have to conform with gangs for protection and that is another can of worms.
3) modern day jails are not enough of a deterrent, especially for repeat offenders, people in really awful situations (thank you society).

The system is broken and society is paying the price.

/30+ comments and no Farker says "you have to pay extra for that"?!!
 
2013-11-26 11:18:25 PM
I was once tossed in a 20-man cell at 2:30 a.m. in Brownsville, TX, (possession of 1/32 of a roach in 1970) with 23 Mexicans in the cell. Not ONE of them spoke English.  The jail was built before the Civil War and was impressively weird.

Luckily, my parents are from Argentina .. and I speak Spanish.
The biggest guy the joint gave me his bed, and he slept on the floor.

Go digger.
 
2013-11-26 11:20:41 PM
Wait .. I said "Go Figger".
/not digger
 
2013-11-26 11:22:41 PM
AND .. I said "in the joint" ..

ah, hell .. go figger
 
2013-11-26 11:26:35 PM
vbob:

Either way, you are a bad cellmate.  You made that man sleep on the floor when he really wanted to cuddle.
 
2013-11-26 11:35:16 PM

Resident Muslim: Modern prisons:
1) have too short of a period for offenders that they are back on the street. Goes double for overcrowded ones. Do NOT protect inmates enough, nor actively pursue and prosecute offenders.
2) do not rehabilitate enough people. Worse; you spend enough time with the animals of society and you become one to survive. Guess what, you can't turn that off when you leave. Young offenders are given advice on what they did wrong and how not to get caught next time (ironically by people in jail). They learn new techniques in crime. They might have to conform with gangs for protection and that is another can of worms.
3) modern day jails are not enough of a deterrent, especially for repeat offenders, people in really awful situations (thank you society).

The system is broken and society is paying the price.

/30+ comments and no Farker says "you have to pay extra for that"?!!


1. It's not simply a matter of "all sentences are too short".  The sentencing system is broken in general.  There are many crimes for which the sentencing system is just broken.  Right now, there are hackers getting 10-year federal sentences, for which there is no parole, and 8.5 years is the minimum service.  Rapists generally get less than 8.5 years.  Something tells me that a computer hacker will rehabilitate much faster than a rapist.

2. American prisons just don't care about the prisoners at all.  They're an industry that exists for themselves, no matter whether public or private.  The prisons do the bare minimum required to meet state regulations and nothing more.  It's like a public school - the prisoners are just a number that is factored into the monthly budget.

3. When despite #2, the conditions on the inside are better than the outside, there's something wrong with society's safety net.  We spend too much money on welfare programs and such, and there is a lot of abuse, but the existence of people like this clearly shows not enough being spent.  The combination suggests that social program spending is misallocated rather than insufficient.
 
2013-11-26 11:53:01 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: The goal in any modern society (that can truly consider itself modern) of its prisons is to serve three purposes. The first is to remove harmful individuals from society, to protect society at large from those who threaten the accepted social mores to such an extreme that to otherwise let them be free would cause great harm to others. The second is to rehabilitate and return to society those criminals who can be rehabilitated. To give them a new start and the tools to build themselves into productive citizens. And the third role of prisons is to act as a deterrent to those who have a tendency to criminality yet can make a conscious decision to refrain from carrying out their impulses under threat of punishment.


I disagree.

http://118.97.161.124/perpus-fkip/Perpustakaan/Filsafat/Postmodernis me /Foucault%20Study/Foucault-%20Discipline%20&%20Punish.pdf

http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/philosophy/undergraduate/modules/p h3 48/2013-14/foucault_-_security_territory_population_11_jan_1978__25_ja n_1978.pdf
 
2013-11-26 11:55:25 PM

EbolaNYC: If you're in prison and you commit murder or rape or habitually break the law... Maybe you just need a fresh hot cup of killin'?


Bears repeating. We really need to streamline the system.
 
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