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(Northwest Indiana Times)   Homeowner: "Hey, your piles of industrial slag are filling my house with dust and pelting my car with grit." Slag owner: "You're just complaining because industrial slag is a dirty word"   (nwitimes.com ) divider line
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2013-11-26 05:12:32 PM  
Piles of 'petcoke'

Pet coke?

Aaaaand, thread derailment.

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2013-11-26 05:14:50 PM  
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Ten years ago, nuclear was the preferred waste. You could dump it anywhere! Now everybody's a detective. I'm lucky if I make one deal a YEAR without being indicted!
 
2013-11-26 05:16:04 PM  
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2013-11-26 05:17:50 PM  
"Coal and petcoke are just dirty words now."

That's because they are dirty!

Anyways, I RTFA expecting the usual "I moved in next to a golf course and *waaaaah* flying golf balls" but it actually sounds pretty bad. Maybe they should cover that shiat up if it's going to get picked up by the wind and scattered around.
 
2013-11-26 05:19:40 PM  
And when the incidence of cancer goes up in the neighborhoods downwind, they'll blame cigarettes, because everyone knows poor people smoke cigarettes.

//Wish I was joking, but that was an actual rebuttal to an EPA inquiry done as a preliminary step to having the site declared Super Fund about a cancer cluster across the street from a factory that soaks railroad ties and utility poles in creosote .
 
2013-11-26 05:21:09 PM  

Jument: "Coal and petcoke are just dirty words now."

That's because they are dirty!

Anyways, I RTFA expecting the usual "I moved in next to a golf course and *waaaaah* flying golf balls" but it actually sounds pretty bad. Maybe they should cover that shiat up if it's going to get picked up by the wind and scattered around.


Can't.  Explosion hazard from trapped off gasses.
 
2013-11-26 05:30:36 PM  
Coke produced from oil sands extraction can actually be used as a pretty kickass water filter.  take this from Syncrude's website for example  http://www.syncrude.ca/users/folder.asp?FolderID=8398

The problem with that stuff is that it's light and dusty like coal.  I used to work on the syncrude site several years ago.  They put the coke they produced in cells and covered them with clay so it wouldn't blow away.  Also the government considers the coke a resource and they aren't allowed to waste it.
 
2013-11-26 05:31:06 PM  
I've seen coke stored out in the open where they wet it down frequently to keep it from throwing dust.  If only there were a source of water close by...
 
2013-11-26 05:31:16 PM  

meat0918: Jument: "Coal and petcoke are just dirty words now."

That's because they are dirty!

Anyways, I RTFA expecting the usual "I moved in next to a golf course and *waaaaah* flying golf balls" but it actually sounds pretty bad. Maybe they should cover that shiat up if it's going to get picked up by the wind and scattered around.

Can't.  Explosion hazard from trapped off gasses.


Ok, good point. Explosions are bad. But letting a fairly significant amount of the material fly free any time the wind blows doesn't seem right. It's probably toxic or at least harmful to plants, animals or people.
 
2013-11-26 05:37:17 PM  
Switch to corrosive damage to finish him off.
 
2013-11-26 05:38:57 PM  
Just replace "house" with "peanut butter," and "slag" with "chocolate," and problem solved.
 
2013-11-26 05:39:39 PM  
Came to make a "Fat Slags" reference, see that Puddleonfire already has, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-11-26 05:41:09 PM  
Ah yes, Detroit......The "First City of The Apocalypse"........
 
2013-11-26 05:42:13 PM  

meat0918: Jument: "Coal and petcoke are just dirty words now."

That's because they are dirty!

Anyways, I RTFA expecting the usual "I moved in next to a golf course and *waaaaah* flying golf balls" but it actually sounds pretty bad. Maybe they should cover that shiat up if it's going to get picked up by the wind and scattered around.

Can't.  Explosion hazard from trapped off gasses.


I bet there are ways to vent the gasses off while keeping the dust contained.
 
2013-11-26 05:45:20 PM  
I don't see an issue here.

1) take out to deep water
2) dump

Problem solved.

This is already-been-burned oil.  It's rock, fly ash, and inert.
 
2013-11-26 05:45:41 PM  
The piles are evidence of a sharp increase in North American oil production - particularly crude extracted from oil sands in Canada

Ahhhh...
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2013-11-26 05:49:04 PM  

Jument: meat0918: Jument: "Coal and petcoke are just dirty words now."

That's because they are dirty!

Anyways, I RTFA expecting the usual "I moved in next to a golf course and *waaaaah* flying golf balls" but it actually sounds pretty bad. Maybe they should cover that shiat up if it's going to get picked up by the wind and scattered around.

Can't.  Explosion hazard from trapped off gasses.

Ok, good point. Explosions are bad. But letting a fairly significant amount of the material fly free any time the wind blows doesn't seem right. It's probably toxic or at least harmful to plants, animals or people.


They aren't rich, therefore they aren't really people.  Duh.
 
2013-11-26 05:50:09 PM  

studebaker hoch: I don't see an issue here.

1) take out to deep water
2) dump

Problem solved.

This is already-been-burned oil.  It's rock, fly ash, and inert.


Yeah, that would be great for the oceans.

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2013-11-26 05:52:00 PM  
It's Koch coke, both in Detroit and now Chicago. Too bad you weren't born a Koch brother and have to live near the waste instead.
 
2013-11-26 06:06:49 PM  
Drunk Astronaut

Yeah, that would be great for the oceans.

That's the first time I've ever seen a round oil slick.
 
2013-11-26 06:15:17 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: meat0918: Jument: "Coal and petcoke are just dirty words now."

That's because they are dirty!

Anyways, I RTFA expecting the usual "I moved in next to a golf course and *waaaaah* flying golf balls" but it actually sounds pretty bad. Maybe they should cover that shiat up if it's going to get picked up by the wind and scattered around.

Can't.  Explosion hazard from trapped off gasses.

I bet there are ways to vent the gasses off while keeping the dust contained.


Yeah, like this crazy new technology called "a tarp". Could even use fabric ones which would be gas permeable but keep the piles in place.
 
2013-11-26 06:21:31 PM  
But they are banning e-cigs so they can all breathe easier?
 
2013-11-26 06:58:06 PM  
"We could barely open the windows this summer because the black dust was so bad," said Susanna Gomez, 37, a mother and grandmother...

Apparently, their polluted environment kills them off prematurely, so they have adapted to breed early and often.
 
2013-11-26 07:05:10 PM  
"This has been an industrial area forever - a coke plant used to be there, a steel mill used to be there," Beemsterboer said.

Well in that case, I guess it's ok then. I bet those old industrial plants used to dump their waste in the river too, lets just go back to doing that as well. If it was done in the past then it's good enough now.
 
2013-11-26 07:13:49 PM  

ReapTheChaos: "This has been an industrial area forever - a coke plant used to be there, a steel mill used to be there," Beemsterboer said.

Well in that case, I guess it's ok then. I bet those old industrial plants used to dump their waste in the river too, lets just go back to doing that as well. If it was done in the past then it's good enough now.


Also, as pointed out in the article, they weren't giving off clouds of petcoke until this year. They are complaining about one thing, not that it is industrial.
 
2013-11-26 07:23:12 PM  

studebaker hoch: I don't see an issue here.

1) take out to deep water
2) dump

Problem solved.

This is already-been-burned oil.  It's rock, fly ash, and inert.


Spend money to get rid of a valuable byproduct? The problem is production increased rapidly and they couldn't get rid off it as fast, but it is still worth money.

Also, the article suggests there may be some chemicals in it that we don't want adding to out water/food supply.
 
2013-11-26 07:25:28 PM  

meat0918: Jument: "Coal and petcoke are just dirty words now."

That's because they are dirty!

Anyways, I RTFA expecting the usual "I moved in next to a golf course and *waaaaah* flying golf balls" but it actually sounds pretty bad. Maybe they should cover that shiat up if it's going to get picked up by the wind and scattered around.

Can't.  Explosion hazard from trapped off gasses.


Can. California has required it since 1983.
 
2013-11-26 07:54:25 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: meat0918: Jument: "Coal and petcoke are just dirty words now."

That's because they are dirty!

Anyways, I RTFA expecting the usual "I moved in next to a golf course and *waaaaah* flying golf balls" but it actually sounds pretty bad. Maybe they should cover that shiat up if it's going to get picked up by the wind and scattered around.

Can't.  Explosion hazard from trapped off gasses.

Can. California has required it since 1983.


And did one of those closed facility explode in LA in the 80s?

ReapTheChaos: "This has been an industrial area forever - a coke plant used to be there, a steel mill used to be there," Beemsterboer said.

Well in that case, I guess it's ok then. I bet those old industrial plants used to dump their waste in the river too, lets just go back to doing that as well. If it was done in the past then it's good enough now.


I bet there were homesteaders there first, and if they really want to farking argue about who was there first, I'd say probably the Potawatomi, or Illinois, or Miami tribes have dibs on that land.
 
2013-11-26 08:01:34 PM  
This is going to happen, folks, when we increase domestic oil production and decrease our dependence on foreign oil.

Pick one.
 
2013-11-26 08:17:27 PM  
I'm sure the Free Market will take care of it, if just left alone.
 
2013-11-26 08:40:51 PM  
Submitted another article on this a while back.  Best part?  All these big piles are owned by the Kochs.
 
2013-11-26 09:33:34 PM  
Gryfalcon

This is going to happen, folks, when we increase domestic oil production and decrease our dependence on foreign oil.

Pick one.


Petcoke please!

I'd rather have a ton of that crap dumped in my swimming pool than have to watch another one of our own jetliners get rammed up our national ass on live TV.
 
2013-11-26 09:44:51 PM  
My grandfather was fighting this crap 40 years ago.  At one point, he was arrested for stealing 6 cents worth of the stuff.  (A reporter asked him what slag was, and he says, here - this stuff.)

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1893&dat=19730116&id=DmcfAAAAIB A J&sjid=0tQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4472,1514810">http://news.google.com/newspaper s?nid=1893&dat=19730116&id=DmcfAAAAIBA J&sjid=0tQEAAAAIBAJ&pg=4472,1514810
 
2013-11-27 12:04:16 PM  
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2013-11-27 08:08:59 PM  

meat0918: And did one of those closed facility explode in LA in the 80s?


That may have happened, but I am unaware of it. I am aware that they /still/ require closed storage in 2013, 30 years after they first started it. I don't hear about them blowing up now so my guess is they figured out a technological solution to their problem. So yeah, the /can/ do it and they still do it.
 
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