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(Pacific Standard Magazine)   This is what a REAL war on Christmas looks like, courtesy of Russia. You'd think Sarah Palin could have watched this from Alaska   (psmag.com) divider line 55
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2013-11-26 04:58:41 PM
"On Orthodox Christmas day ... processions formed up at noon and paraded until dark."

So... 15 minutes?
 
2013-11-26 05:12:07 PM
I'll admit that Sarah Palin never said she could see Russia from her house if conservatives will admit that Al Gore never said he invented the internet.
 
2013-11-26 05:34:15 PM
This parade culminated in images of Buddha, Christ, Mohammed and Osiris being burned on the bonfire.

Really? Osiris? Were there that many ancient Egyptians in the USSR?
 
2013-11-26 05:40:36 PM
SO FARKING AWESOME, SUBBY!
 
2013-11-26 05:48:50 PM
I would have went with what the Puritans did in England if you wanted to learn about a War on Christmas.

This piece will only serve to inflame Palin's rhetoric to her saying "see, those secular atheists really do want to disown our Founding Father's Christmas traditions in favor of their communist replacements and makes us all not be able to take a week off at Christmas to travel because they're evil socialists hell bent on destroying America and everything we hold dear".
 
2013-11-26 05:48:56 PM
Somebody should tattoo this whole farking article into the eyelids of everyone who whines and moans about the fake "War on Christmas".

 In the 70 years of Soviet rule, it is estimated that the state murdered between 12 and 20 million Christians in its various anti-religious campaigns.

Fark you people, every one of you, ^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^is what an ACTUAL "war on religion" is all about.
 
2013-11-26 05:49:14 PM

SurfaceTension: I'll admit that Sarah Palin never said she could see Russia from her house if conservatives will admit that Al Gore never said he invented the internet.


I won't. She's that stupid. And Gore has been recognized for his efforts by actual acclaimed Fathers of the Internet. So no.
 
2013-11-26 05:53:01 PM
"Christ moose chili"    nice
 
2013-11-26 05:53:33 PM
I'm so glad we've decided to deal with a tolerant, benevolent Communist country instead. Thank God for the Chi-coms. Those little tiny child fingers can really spew out the capitalist goods at bargain prices.
 
2013-11-26 05:56:19 PM

whidbey: SurfaceTension: I'll admit that Sarah Palin never said she could see Russia from her house if conservatives will admit that Al Gore never said he invented the internet.

I won't. She's that stupid. And Gore has been recognized for his efforts by actual acclaimed Fathers of the Internet. So no.


It was actually said during a satirical performance of Palin by Tina Fey on SNL. And Al Gore was instrumental in getting the funding and laws in place to make the internet accessible by the average user rather than just educational institutions and the military.
 
2013-11-26 06:01:44 PM

SurfaceTension: whidbey: SurfaceTension: I'll admit that Sarah Palin never said she could see Russia from her house if conservatives will admit that Al Gore never said he invented the internet.

I won't. She's that stupid. And Gore has been recognized for his efforts by actual acclaimed Fathers of the Internet. So no.

It was actually said during a satirical performance of Palin by Tina Fey on SNL. And Al Gore was instrumental in getting the funding and laws in place to make the internet accessible by the average user rather than just educational institutions and the military.


We know. You don't have to play referee here.
 
2013-11-26 06:18:56 PM
"Amidst the fragility of this politically correct era," Palin said, "when introducing the book, "it is imperative that we stand up for our beliefs before the element of faith in a glorious and traditional holiday like Christmas is marginalized and ignored."

Here's a tip for religions that want to keep their sacred days holy, stop trying to impose them on the rest of society.  That's exactly what happens when you try to impose your beliefs on everyone, they get marginalized.
 
2013-11-26 06:19:55 PM
Mewling quim.
 
2013-11-26 06:21:10 PM
Never mind that protestants like her had been trying to outlaw and prevent Catholics from celebrating Christmas up until the mid 1800s.  Now that they've given up on stopping it, all of a sudden it belongs to them and they get to dictate it's "true meaning".  They sure are sticklers for how to properly observe the pagan winter solstice.
 
2013-11-26 06:32:45 PM
Yeah, but who invented Jesus?
 
2013-11-26 06:38:45 PM

SurfaceTension: whidbey: SurfaceTension: I'll admit that Sarah Palin never said she could see Russia from her house if conservatives will admit that Al Gore never said he invented the internet.

I won't. She's that stupid. And Gore has been recognized for his efforts by actual acclaimed Fathers of the Internet. So no.

It was actually said during a satirical performance of Palin by Tina Fey on SNL.



We should remind ourselves what Palin actually said: "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border."

Much better.
 
2013-11-26 06:45:31 PM

Wyalt Derp: SurfaceTension: whidbey: SurfaceTension: I'll admit that Sarah Palin never said she could see Russia from her house if conservatives will admit that Al Gore never said he invented the internet.

I won't. She's that stupid. And Gore has been recognized for his efforts by actual acclaimed Fathers of the Internet. So no.

It was actually said during a satirical performance of Palin by Tina Fey on SNL.


We should remind ourselves what Palin actually said: "As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where- where do they go? It's Alaska. It's just right over the border."

Much better.


Yeah, it makes so much more sense. youbetcha
 
2013-11-26 06:52:12 PM

bwilson27: Yeah, but who invented Jesus?


Republicans, duh!

/why libs be so dumb
//dumb libs
 
2013-11-26 06:57:34 PM

bwilson27: Yeah, but who invented Jesus?


Better call Saul.
 
2013-11-26 07:05:53 PM

riverwalk barfly: "Christ moose chili"    nice


Could be worse. The last line in the article [sic]: "all of those traditions, and probably even Palin's mouse chili, would survive just fine. Maybe we would just eat it on a different night."
 
2013-11-26 07:06:10 PM
Soviet Communism wasn't really principled atheism, it was more mono-ideological modeled in part on mono-theistic religion.

Like a mono-theist who demands that there can be only one true god, Communism - the one true ideology - wouldn't allow any ideological competition such as religions.

(Communism could be the one true ideology even if a current version was badly flawed because it incorporated "continuous revolution" which would evolve it towards the ideal. Most religions are very static and don't have a conscious notion of evolution - except the Mormons where God can tell them things like blacks are no longer cursed to hell)

Communism probably stole this evolutionary notion from Science, though Science tends to have a better grasp on evidence and what constitutes progress. Science generally allows competing theories though Soviet Science was rather notorious for prematurely declaring which theories were true.
 
2013-11-26 07:13:38 PM

bwilson27: Yeah, but who invented Jesus?


Albert Einstein?
 
2013-11-26 07:15:35 PM

riverwalk barfly: "Christ moose chili"    nice


That grabbed me, too. Seems a bit sacrilegious.
 
2013-11-26 07:39:10 PM

s2s2s2: riverwalk barfly: "Christ moose chili"    nice

That grabbed me, too. Seems a bit sacrilegious.


If anyone wants to give the recipe a try, I've had the main ingredient living in my backyard for a week now.  Driving my dogs nuts.

imageshack.us

He's only a yearling, so he should be pretty tender.
 
2013-11-26 08:06:25 PM

bwilson27: Yeah, but who invented Jesus?


"I'm the little Jew who wrote the bible."
-Rand Paul (R-KY)
 
2013-11-26 08:16:18 PM
Under the circumstances, hearing people say "Season's greetings" is a small concession. It sure beats spending 25 years in Siberia.
 
2013-11-26 08:16:29 PM

spiderpaz: Never mind that protestants like her had been trying to outlaw and prevent Catholics from celebrating Christmas up until the mid 1800s.  Now that they've given up on stopping it, all of a sudden it belongs to them and they get to dictate it's "true meaning".  They sure are sticklers for how to properly observe the pagan winter solstice.


And even before then Christmas was more of a bawdy drunken celebration than a holy day.
 
2013-11-26 09:04:33 PM
"On Orthodox Christmas day ... processions formed up at noon and paraded until dark. The marchers included students, members of women's organisations and working class youth, with horsemen following behind holding anti-religious banners. These were followed by trucks bearing clowns mocking God, a figure of God embracing a naked woman, and mock priests and rabbis chanting indecent versions of religious liturgies and standing in ridiculous poses. This parade culminated in images of Buddha, Christ, Mohammed and Osiris being burned on the bonfire."

You know, there's a little term called tempting fate...
 
2013-11-26 09:14:37 PM
this obnoxious atheist rather enjoys the teutonic pagan trappings of christmas

except, you know, the consumerism to support the plutocracy, of course
 
2013-11-26 09:25:51 PM

HairBolus: Soviet Communism wasn't really principled atheism, it was more mono-ideological modeled in part on mono-theistic religion.

Like a mono-theist who demands that there can be only one true god, Communism - the one true ideology - wouldn't allow any ideological competition such as religions.

(Communism could be the one true ideology even if a current version was badly flawed because it incorporated "continuous revolution" which would evolve it towards the ideal. Most religions are very static and don't have a conscious notion of evolution - except the Mormons where God can tell them things like blacks are no longer cursed to hell)

Communism probably stole this evolutionary notion from Science, though Science tends to have a better grasp on evidence and what constitutes progress. Science generally allows competing theories though Soviet Science was rather notorious for prematurely declaring which theories were true.


Ah,  see! No TRUE atheist would act like that.

Damn, where have I heard claims like that before?....

Oh yeah!

Hrm. I swear I've heard that statement being used that "No *true* christian would molest children!" and whatnot....
 
2013-11-26 09:47:39 PM
Parades, women's gangs, atheist clowns, foul-mouthed sermons, God porn and the whole world's sacred icons lit on fire.

Soviet Christmas is the most Metal holiday ever. America needs to claim it as the spoils of winning the Cold War.
 
2013-11-26 09:59:15 PM
get a brain war ons
 
2013-11-26 10:09:24 PM

Richard C Stanford: "On Orthodox Christmas day ... processions formed up at noon and paraded until dark. The marchers included students, members of women's organisations and working class youth, with horsemen following behind holding anti-religious banners. These were followed by trucks bearing clowns mocking God, a figure of God embracing a naked woman, and mock priests and rabbis chanting indecent versions of religious liturgies and standing in ridiculous poses. This parade culminated in images of Buddha, Christ, Mohammed and Osiris being burned on the bonfire."

You know, there's a little term called tempting fate...


Are you suggesting karma came due in 1991?
 
2013-11-26 10:10:43 PM
As she writes: "There are many people who haven't merely lost, misplaced, or forgotten the true meaning of Christmas, they're trying to actively target it to destroy it. And these true Scrooges have a frightening amount of power."

Christmas has become an orgy of greed and consumerism. That's the Christmas that Palin and her pals are screaming to protect when they get upset over retail establishments  not using the word "Christmas" to help them sell plastic salad shooters and Harley-Davidson themed china sets. Most of the things they claim are slights against the holiday would actually make it more about the religious community and less about lust for control over government and profit margins. If Palin is a warrior in the perceived War on Christmas, she's fighting on the side of destruction.
 
2013-11-26 10:34:39 PM
Oh. Christmas. That wondrous time of year when conservatives drive themselves into a frenzy of hate over imaginary nonsense.

Come to think of it, every day is Christmas for these gullible dolts.
 
2013-11-26 10:41:39 PM
Remember it's Happy Turkey Day! Don't give me that Thanksgiving crap. Have some respect for my lord and savior The Great Gobbler otherwise know as Gob. The pilgrims didn't found our country on Thanks, they did it with freedoms and rights and arms and Gob.
 
2013-11-26 10:52:43 PM

Richard C Stanford: "On Orthodox Christmas day ... processions formed up at noon and paraded until dark. The marchers included students, members of women's organisations and working class youth, with horsemen following behind holding anti-religious banners. These were followed by trucks bearing clowns mocking God, a figure of God embracing a naked woman, and mock priests and rabbis chanting indecent versions of religious liturgies and standing in ridiculous poses. This parade culminated in images of Buddha, Christ, Mohammed and Osiris being burned on the bonfire."


That sounds awesome!

To hell with festivus, sign me up for Soviet Christmas!
 
2013-11-26 11:53:32 PM
Naturally, Cold War-era American Christian conservatives would like to believe Gorbachev might be secretly Christian and that God guided his hand in ending the atheist Soviet empire.
 
2013-11-27 12:00:03 AM

SurfaceTension: I'll admit that Sarah Palin never said she could see Russia from her house if conservatives will admit that Al Gore never said he invented the internet.


Actually, Al Gore said "... so I went ahead, and created the internet."  Now, he didn't mean it the way it came out.  It came out terribly wrong.  He meant that he was one of the few politicians at the time who saw the value/potential of this new technology, and actively fought for resources to be allocated to it's development.

Unfortunately, thanks to the spin machine I now have several relatives that believe that Al Gore actually thinks he single-handedly created the internet, as in securing funding, R&D, engineering, implementation, etc. and consequently nothing else he has ever said matters because he's delusional.... which means that man-made climate change is a giant hoax.... which is exactly the brainwashing that FOX and the like is trying to achieve.
 
2013-11-27 12:13:22 AM

HairBolus: Soviet Communism wasn't really principled atheism, it was more mono-ideological modeled in part on mono-theistic religion.

Like a mono-theist who demands that there can be only one true god, Communism - the one true ideology - wouldn't allow any ideological competition such as religions.

(Communism could be the one true ideology even if a current version was badly flawed because it incorporated "continuous revolution" which would evolve it towards the ideal. Most religions are very static and don't have a conscious notion of evolution - except the Mormons where God can tell them things like blacks are no longer cursed to hell)

Communism probably stole this evolutionary notion from Science, though Science tends to have a better grasp on evidence and what constitutes progress. Science generally allows competing theories though Soviet Science was rather notorious for prematurely declaring which theories were true.


You're not from around here are you.
 
2013-11-27 12:25:34 AM

colon_pow: HairBolus: Soviet Communism wasn't really principled atheism, it was more mono-ideological modeled in part on mono-theistic religion.

Like a mono-theist who demands that there can be only one true god, Communism - the one true ideology - wouldn't allow any ideological competition such as religions.

(Communism could be the one true ideology even if a current version was badly flawed because it incorporated "continuous revolution" which would evolve it towards the ideal. Most religions are very static and don't have a conscious notion of evolution - except the Mormons where God can tell them things like blacks are no longer cursed to hell)

Communism probably stole this evolutionary notion from Science, though Science tends to have a better grasp on evidence and what constitutes progress. Science generally allows competing theories though Soviet Science was rather notorious for prematurely declaring which theories were true.

You're not from around here are you.


He must be from--New York City!
 
2013-11-27 12:36:04 AM

Garbonzo42: Richard C Stanford: "On Orthodox Christmas day ... processions formed up at noon and paraded until dark. The marchers included students, members of women's organisations and working class youth, with horsemen following behind holding anti-religious banners. These were followed by trucks bearing clowns mocking God, a figure of God embracing a naked woman, and mock priests and rabbis chanting indecent versions of religious liturgies and standing in ridiculous poses. This parade culminated in images of Buddha, Christ, Mohammed and Osiris being burned on the bonfire."

That sounds awesome!

To hell with festivus, sign me up for Soviet Christmas!


This! I wish my Saturnalia parties were as epic as this sounds.
 
2013-11-27 02:09:13 AM
And now as a result, Russians treat New Year's Day exactly the same way we treat Christmas. Ded Moroz brings the kids presents and puts them around the New Year's tree and so on. Christmas (the Orthodox one) is celebrated by the actually religious only.
 
2013-11-27 03:00:33 AM
A "War on Christmas" is just another fun buzz word for the fear conservatives have that people aren't just conforming to their ideals of a "proper society". This "proper society" to them would have a powerful minority of wealthy people overseeing a serfdom of wage slaves, working six days out of the year and going to church on the seventh giving 10 % to the pulpit and being told what to think. This "Christian society" they dream that they will one day have has nothing to do with Christianity, just a way to make their wage slaves ask the pastor for help instead of asking their boss for a raise.
 
2013-11-27 03:48:41 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: A "War on Christmas" is just another fun buzz word for the fear conservatives have that people aren't just conforming to their ideals of a "proper society". This "proper society" to them would have a powerful minority of wealthy people overseeing a serfdom of wage slaves, working six days out of the year and going to church on the seventh giving 10 % to the pulpit and being told what to think. This "Christian society" they dream that they will one day have has nothing to do with Christianity, just a way to make their wage slaves ask the pastor for help instead of asking their boss for a raise.


"There are some upon this earth of yours,' returned the Spirit, 'who lay claim to know us, and who do their deeds of passion, pride, ill-will, hatred, envy, bigotry, and selfishness in our name; who are as strange to us and all our kith and kin, as if they had never lived. Remember that, and charge their doings on themselves, not us."

Dickens, A Christmas Carol.
 
2013-11-27 05:46:53 AM
The "War on Christmas" is a creation of the political right to recruit support due to the unpalatability their true agenda would be to most Americans. Instead they take something many Americans hold dear like Christmas, claim the "liberals" hold an indefensible position towards it, and basically trick people into supporting them.

Saying that those evil Liberals want to keep us from cutting your Medicare and Social Security so we can give tax cuts to the extremely wealthy, or that we want to turn public schools into conservative political and religious indoctrination centers for kids; just doesn't sell well to the general public. But saying that the evil Liberals are trying to "ban Christmas", getting them all emotional, reels them in real fast.

Conservative recruitment has devolved to creating fictitious liberal straw men, and then tricking people into joining them and helping them knock it down.
 
2013-11-27 06:47:21 AM

meat0918: I would have went with what the Puritans did in England if you wanted to learn about a War on Christmas.

This piece will only serve to inflame Palin's rhetoric to her saying "see, those secular atheists really do want to disown our Founding Father's Christmas traditions in favor of their communist replacements and makes us all not be able to take a week off at Christmas to travel because they're evil socialists hell bent on destroying America and everything we hold dear".


But if you want a day off at Thanksgiving, you're an evil whiny 47 percenter mooching Welfare Queen and possibly even a wannabe Union Thug.
 
2013-11-27 07:33:46 AM
In the aftermath of the Russian Revolution, the Soviet Union instituted a program to rid the country of all religious behavior. Top of the list: Christmas.

Well, that was stupid of them.

"Legions of media ... have formed a secular clown posse,"

Wait, did Bill O'Ragey just make an indirect ICP joke?

Tides, how the f*ck do they work?
 
2013-11-27 08:29:40 AM
quatchi:"Legions of media ... have formed a secular clown posse,"

Wait, did Bill O'Ragey just make an indirect ICP joke?


Sarah must have been raiding Piper's CD collection again.

Face it, except for facepaint or obvious tattoos, the entire Palin clan would be right at home at the Gathering of the Juggalos
 
2013-11-27 08:36:59 AM

DarkSoulNoHope: A "War on Christmas" is just another fun buzz word for the fear conservatives have that people aren't just conforming to their ideals of a "proper society". This "proper society" to them would have a powerful minority of wealthy people overseeing a serfdom of wage slaves, working six days out of the year and going to church on the seventh giving 10 % to the pulpit and being told what to think. This "Christian society" they dream that they will one day have has nothing to do with Christianity, just a way to make their wage slaves ask the pastor for help instead of asking their boss for a raise.


Hey, if I only have to work six days out of the year, I'll be the wage slave of some rich dude.
 
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