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(Daily Kos)   "I think we should all remember that on January 20, 2009 (inauguration day) GOP House Leaders & GOP Senators plotted to sabotage the US Economy with Newt Gingrich and GOP Propaganda Minister Frank Luntz"   (dailykos.com) divider line 168
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2013-11-26 04:23:14 PM
To be fair, it is a laser focused on jobs.
 
2013-11-26 04:26:51 PM
You're trying to say that bunch of idiots actually pulled something off? If the current crop of Washington Republicans tried to sabotage the economy we'd have double digit growth
 
2013-11-26 04:36:55 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: If the current crop of Washington Republicans tried to sabotage the economy we'd have double digit growth


Supporting evidence:
growlersoftware.com
 
2013-11-26 04:46:35 PM

impaler: Supporting evidence:


Really? The stock market? That died as an economic indicator decades ago.
 
2013-11-26 04:52:22 PM
While this is a staggeringly annoying TFA, written in an unnecessarily horrid partisan hack patois, this particular incident is one of the reasons I have such unbridled derision for most Republicans and media members.

This meeting actually happened. In it, the GOP decided, before Obama had ever proposed a single actual bill, to oppose everything he did in complete lockstep. Ok, fine. They can do that if they want. But  once this fact is known, the idea that we're supposed to treat conservative complaints and arguments about policy in any way as being in good faith is farking absurd. And for the media to try to pretend that they are presenting these arguments in good faith is farking absurd. Every single time a GOPer complained about the stimulus or Obamacare or Guantanamo or anything else, or voted in complete lock step against anything proposed, the media should have always prefaced it by explaining that the GOP put in place an actual party policy to 100% oppose all of Obama's plans completely irrespective of any policy content. To go on pretending that their complaints are legitimate grievances of ideology, and to make me pretend to treat them as the same, is just insulting.
 
2013-11-26 04:54:12 PM

DamnYankees: To go on pretending that their complaints are legitimate grievances of ideology, and to make me pretend to treat them as the same, is just insulting.


Yes, but seekrit muslin.
 
2013-11-26 05:03:15 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: impaler: Supporting evidence:

Really? The stock market? That died as an economic indicator decades ago.


So you're saying trickle down doesn't work.
 
2013-11-26 05:06:49 PM

impaler: So you're saying trickle down doesn't work.


How does one have anything to do with the other?
 
2013-11-26 05:12:37 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: impaler: So you're saying trickle down doesn't work.

How does one have anything to do with the other?


Before you start posting magnificent boob pics, please tell us what should have been done. (economic policy)
 
2013-11-26 05:31:27 PM
OH MY GOD

THE OPPOSITION PARTY MET ON THE INAGUARAL NIGHT OF OBAMA'S PRESIDENCY TO DISCUSS POLITICAL STRATEGY.

HOW DARE THEY! TRAITORS! VERMIN! UP AGAINST THE WALL WITH THEM!
 
2013-11-26 05:34:26 PM

Elegy: I DID NOT READ THE ARTICLE!

LOUD NOISES!

 
2013-11-26 05:43:51 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You're trying to say that bunch of idiots actually pulled something off? If the current crop of Washington Republicans tried to sabotage the economy we'd have double digit growth


That success is not for everybody. I say we feed them to the poor.
 
2013-11-26 05:44:47 PM

doyner: Before you start posting magnificent boob pics, please tell us what should have been done. (economic policy)


To fix the economy from 2009 on? Really and truly the government can't create a booming economy. They can hurt and hinder the economy! But they can't force growth. We already had really really low interest rates and taxes were just about right. We did have a problem with the banks! It wasn't savings and loans big but it really could hurt us. I think all we really needed was a steady hand on the wheel and we would have been fine. Now we have doubled our debt and got the markets hooked on QE Infinity. And why is that? Well, mainly it's our fault. The American people want the best and we want it now. So our public officials want to give it to us as fast as they can. But they can't! We needed the President to give us a "shining city on the hill" speech! Instead we got a "well I inherited a burning car in a ditch" speech. So instead of admitting that the government can't fix it we get the "well we could fix it if it wasn't for those damn Republicans". Never mind the fact the Washington Republicans (yes I draw a distinction) couldn't plan their way our of a wet paper bag. Calling them retarded while in the same breath saying they are thwarting you at every pass doesn't say much about the current administration.

For the Keynesians among us.
 
2013-11-26 05:52:02 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Really and truly the government can't create a booming economy. They can hurt and hinder the economy! But they can't force growth.


"The government can't help an economy, it can only hurt it" is just political religious dogma.
 
2013-11-26 05:56:58 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Really and truly the government can't create a booming economy.


lolol
 
2013-11-26 05:57:53 PM
I'm supposed to believe that the GOP out organized the community organizer?
 
2013-11-26 05:57:56 PM

doyner: The Stealth Hippopotamus: impaler: So you're saying trickle down doesn't work.

How does one have anything to do with the other?

Before you start posting magnificent boob pics, please tell us what should have been done. (economic policy)


why not both?
 
2013-11-26 05:59:41 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: impaler: Supporting evidence:

Really? The stock market? That died as an economic indicator decades ago.


Unless of course it goes down, in which case it's an accurate barometer of how Obama is hostile to business and crippling the economy.
 
2013-11-26 06:05:30 PM
F*ck Frank Lutz. F*ck him with a rusty chainsaw.
 
2013-11-26 06:06:36 PM

propasaurus: The Stealth Hippopotamus: impaler: Supporting evidence:

Really? The stock market? That died as an economic indicator decades ago.

Unless of course it goes down, in which case it's an accurate barometer of how Obama is hostile to business and crippling the economy.


Obama gets only bad performance indicators because he's evil. If he weren't evil, he wouldn't get bad indicators. Ipso facto.
 
2013-11-26 06:06:51 PM

DamnYankees: While this is a staggeringly annoying TFA, written in an unnecessarily horrid partisan hack patois, this particular incident is one of the reasons I have such unbridled derision for most Republicans and media members.

This meeting actually happened. In it, the GOP decided, before Obama had ever proposed a single actual bill, to oppose everything he did in complete lockstep. Ok, fine. They can do that if they want. But  once this fact is known, the idea that we're supposed to treat conservative complaints and arguments about policy in any way as being in good faith is farking absurd. And for the media to try to pretend that they are presenting these arguments in good faith is farking absurd. Every single time a GOPer complained about the stimulus or Obamacare or Guantanamo or anything else, or voted in complete lock step against anything proposed, the media should have always prefaced it by explaining that the GOP put in place an actual party policy to 100% oppose all of Obama's plans completely irrespective of any policy content. To go on pretending that their complaints are legitimate grievances of ideology, and to make me pretend to treat them as the same, is just insulting.


Seriously.

Republicans should take a page out of the Dems playbook and leave town like they do at the state and city level, forcing the chief executive to call on law enforcement to round them up and bring them back so they can vote against stuff.

No need for secret meetings people will write a book about.
 
2013-11-26 06:07:19 PM

Giltric: I'm supposed to believe that the GOP out organized the community organizer?


Uh, no - if they'd "out organized" him, he wouldn't have been re-elected.
 
2013-11-26 06:08:07 PM

impaler: Elegy: I DID NOT READ THE ARTICLE!

LOUD NOISES!


Uh, yes I did. Perhaps I should have semi-randomly bolded portions of my post to more successfully parody the hysterical tone of TFA, but I'm lazy and thought that all caps would do the job just as well.

Beyond the hysterical formatting, what was in the TFA? The author tells us of a meeting where he claims traitorous republicans laid out a master plan to intentionally destroy the national economy. But he offers no evidence that this was actually the purpose of the meeting, and jumps straight in to the name calling.

Beyond the lack of evidence, the crazily formatted text with bizarre emphasis added to every sentence, along with calling your political opponents names like "GOP Hate-Propaganda Minister" and "traitors," doesn't exactly convey a reasoned and thoughtful political worldview.

This article, in fact, piles on the derpsanity and partisan hackery just as high and just as deep as any teabagger site I've read. It's every bit as shrill, senselessly aggressive, and content free as something linked on the free republic.

So congratulations to the far left on becoming the mirror image of the people you proport to despise, I guess...
 
2013-11-26 06:09:15 PM

impaler: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Really and truly the government can't create a booming economy. They can hurt and hinder the economy! But they can't force growth.

"The government can't help an economy, it can only hurt it" is just political religious dogma.


That talking point also admits that it's possible for the government to try to sabotage the economy, which is what Republicans have been tryin to do since we got a blah president.
 
2013-11-26 06:14:44 PM

impaler: "The government can't help an economy, it can only hurt it" is just political religious dogma.


So you didn't visit my link?

The only time the federal government helps an economy is when it reverses what it has already done to harm that economy.

propasaurus: The Stealth Hippopotamus: impaler: Supporting evidence:

Really? The stock market? That died as an economic indicator decades ago.

Unless of course it goes down, in which case it's an accurate barometer of how Obama is hostile to business and crippling the economy.


No. I've been very consist on my statements. The stock markets can not be used as an indicator of the health of the economy. During the rise of the day traders (when there was some but very few) it was still somewhat useful as a indicator of the mood of the population that was paying attention. Now with microtrades and the increase of the percentage of day traders it has lost even that.
 
2013-11-26 06:15:37 PM

DarwiOdrade: Giltric: I'm supposed to believe that the GOP out organized the community organizer?

Uh, no - if they'd "out organized" him, he wouldn't have been re-elected.


And what good has being re-elected done him if he can't do anything cause REPUBLICAN OBSTRUCTIONISM!!!!!!
 
2013-11-26 06:15:45 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: impaler: Supporting evidence:

Really? The stock market? That died as an economic indicator decades ago.


Yep.  The Stock Market is a great indicator of how really wealthy people are doing.  Not so great for the average Joe.
 
2013-11-26 06:16:46 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: doyner: Before you start posting magnificent boob pics, please tell us what should have been done. (economic policy)

To fix the economy from 2009 on? Really and truly the government can't create a booming economy. They can hurt and hinder the economy! But they can't force growth. We already had really really low interest rates and taxes were just about right. We did have a problem with the banks! It wasn't savings and loans big but it really could hurt us. I think all we really needed was a steady hand on the wheel and we would have been fine. Now we have doubled our debt and got the markets hooked on QE Infinity. And why is that? Well, mainly it's our fault. The American people want the best and we want it now. So our public officials want to give it to us as fast as they can. But they can't! We needed the President to give us a "shining city on the hill" speech! Instead we got a "well I inherited a burning car in a ditch" speech. So instead of admitting that the government can't fix it we get the "well we could fix it if it wasn't for those damn Republicans". Never mind the fact the Washington Republicans (yes I draw a distinction) couldn't plan their way our of a wet paper bag. Calling them retarded while in the same breath saying they are thwarting you at every pass doesn't say much about the current administration.

For the Keynesians among us.


www.quickmeme.com
 
2013-11-26 06:17:14 PM
They said, publicly, that their only mission was to make Obama a one-term president. How the f*ck do you think they were going to do that? Tickle him to death?

Of course they sabotaged the economy. It's a miracle we've survived their efforts.
 
2013-11-26 06:17:30 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: doyner: Before you start posting magnificent boob pics, please tell us what should have been done. (economic policy)

To fix the economy from 2009 on? Really and truly the government can't create a booming economy. They can hurt and hinder the economy! But they can't force growth. We already had really really low interest rates and taxes were just about right. We did have a problem with the banks! It wasn't savings and loans big but it really could hurt us. I think all we really needed was a steady hand on the wheel and we would have been fine. Now we have doubled our debt and got the markets hooked on QE Infinity. And why is that? Well, mainly it's our fault. The American people want the best and we want it now. So our public officials want to give it to us as fast as they can. But they can't! We needed the President to give us a "shining city on the hill" speech! Instead we got a "well I inherited a burning car in a ditch" speech. So instead of admitting that the government can't fix it we get the "well we could fix it if it wasn't for those damn Republicans". Never mind the fact the Washington Republicans (yes I draw a distinction) couldn't plan their way our of a wet paper bag. Calling them retarded while in the same breath saying they are thwarting you at every pass doesn't say much about the current administration.

For the Keynesians among us.


Pocket Ninja would have done better, but this is a strong contender.
 
2013-11-26 06:18:28 PM

Giltric: And what good has being re-elected done him if he can't do anything cause REPUBLICAN OBSTRUCTIONISM!!!!!!


Preventing North Carolina's derpfest from being rolled out nationally?
 
2013-11-26 06:18:32 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: No. I've been very consist on my statements. The stock markets can not be used as an indicator of the health of the economy. During the rise of the day traders (when there was some but very few) it was still somewhat useful as a indicator of the mood of the population that was paying attention. Now with microtrades and the increase of the percentage of day traders it has lost even that.


Look at who owns the majority of stock, it's not the little guy. 90% is owned by the top 1%.

But don't go mentioning the rise in income disparity in a thread where farklibs are championing a record DJIA and how it is an indicator of a strong economy of which Obama is responsible for.
 
2013-11-26 06:19:00 PM
ITT right wingers pretend that despite it being known that they had this meeting for some time, despite the minority leader admitting they will oppose everything and their track record of opposing everything Obama has tried to do it's all just a figment of our imagination
 
2013-11-26 06:19:15 PM

Giltric: DarwiOdrade: Giltric: I'm supposed to believe that the GOP out organized the community organizer?

Uh, no - if they'd "out organized" him, he wouldn't have been re-elected.

And what good has being re-elected done him if he can't do anything cause REPUBLICAN OBSTRUCTIONISM!!!!!!


Aw - you're cute - try sticking to the topic of the article. Pro-tip: you might want to actually read it.
 
2013-11-26 06:19:22 PM
the only time a republican wants the economy to do well is if a republican is in the white house.  (and preferably majorities in house and senate would be nice too)


those Turds know that if Obama does well, his successor is more likely to get elected in 2016.   AND more Dems are likely to win in 2014 midterms.


its not rocket science.
 
2013-11-26 06:20:34 PM

Elegy: ...but I'm lazy...


Yes, we know that from your regurgitation of old talking points.
 
2013-11-26 06:21:54 PM

Peter von Nostrand: ITT right wingers pretend that despite it being known that they had this meeting for some time, despite the minority leader admitting they will oppose everything and their track record of opposing everything Obama has tried to do it's all just a figment of our imagination


and you're the racist for pointing it out.

/or something
 
2013-11-26 06:22:23 PM
Subby's headline: "I think we should all remember that on January 20, 2009 (inauguration day) GOP House Leaders & GOP Senators plotted to sabotage the US Economy with Newt Gingrich and GOP Propaganda Minister Frank Luntz"

So what you are saying is... They should be hung by the neck until dead, for being traitors to the people of the U.S.A.?

/Oh wait, domestic terrorism is not a crime for politicians.
 
2013-11-26 06:22:57 PM

DarwiOdrade: Giltric: DarwiOdrade: Giltric: I'm supposed to believe that the GOP out organized the community organizer?

Uh, no - if they'd "out organized" him, he wouldn't have been re-elected.

And what good has being re-elected done him if he can't do anything cause REPUBLICAN OBSTRUCTIONISM!!!!!!

Aw - you're cute - try sticking to the topic of the article. Pro-tip: you might want to actually read it.


It's a KOS Diary entry.

Theres been kerfuffles over KOS Diary entries here in the past.

Might as well link to a BullBearMS post from here. It is usually more informative and cites are provided.
 
2013-11-26 06:23:27 PM

Giltric: Look at who owns the majority of stock, it's not the little guy. 90% is owned by the top 1%.But don't go mentioning the rise in income disparity in a thread where farklibs are championing a record DJIA and how it is an indicator of a strong economy of which Obama is responsible for.


ah-yup!
 
2013-11-26 06:23:51 PM

Giltric: The Stealth Hippopotamus: No. I've been very consist on my statements. The stock markets can not be used as an indicator of the health of the economy. During the rise of the day traders (when there was some but very few) it was still somewhat useful as a indicator of the mood of the population that was paying attention. Now with microtrades and the increase of the percentage of day traders it has lost even that.

Look at who owns the majority of stock, it's not the little guy. 90% is owned by the top 1%.

But don't go mentioning the rise in income disparity in a thread where farklibs are championing a record DJIA and how it is an indicator of a strong economy of which Obama is responsible for.


So is it your contention that the wealth gap started under Obama and Democrats don't care about the rise in his terms in office. Meanwhile last week the right was in another thread denying the gap existed. If so... Wow. Just wow
 
2013-11-26 06:24:46 PM

propasaurus: Elegy: ...but I'm lazy...

Yes, we know that from your regurgitation of old talking points.


What talking points am I regurgitating, pray tell?
 
2013-11-26 06:25:20 PM

robbiex0r: Peter von Nostrand: ITT right wingers pretend that despite it being known that they had this meeting for some time, despite the minority leader admitting they will oppose everything and their track record of opposing everything Obama has tried to do it's all just a figment of our imagination

and you're the racist for pointing it out.

/or something


But I have a (insert minority of choice here) friend!
 
2013-11-26 06:25:55 PM

Jekylman: Pocket Ninja would have done better, but this is a strong contender.


He should stick to his strengths.

And I mean that in a good way.  He has an amazing photobucket.
 
2013-11-26 06:26:54 PM

Giltric: Look at who owns the majority of stock, it's not the little guy. 90% is owned by the top 1%.


You're numbers are just a little off. Not much, just 80%ish.

img5.imageshack.us

But with that level of accuracy you could be a weather man in Oklahoma! Or work for the CBO.
 
2013-11-26 06:28:25 PM

Giltric: DarwiOdrade: Giltric: DarwiOdrade: Giltric: I'm supposed to believe that the GOP out organized the community organizer?

Uh, no - if they'd "out organized" him, he wouldn't have been re-elected.

And what good has being re-elected done him if he can't do anything cause REPUBLICAN OBSTRUCTIONISM!!!!!!

Aw - you're cute - try sticking to the topic of the article. Pro-tip: you might want to actually read it.

It's a KOS Diary entry.

Theres been kerfuffles over KOS Diary entries here in the past.

Might as well link to a BullBearMS post from here. It is usually more informative and cites are provided.


You mean like the videos & links to interviews and articles that are in TFA? Please, do tell.
 
2013-11-26 06:28:56 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You're numbers


Looks like it's time for me to go home.....
 
2013-11-26 06:29:23 PM
Link to Zero Hedge
Denounce All The Keynesians
Now You're Never Right
 
2013-11-26 06:29:35 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: But with that level of accuracy you could be a weather man in Oklahoma!


You have no idea what the asterisk means, do you?
 
2013-11-26 06:29:57 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Giltric: The Stealth Hippopotamus: No. I've been very consist on my statements. The stock markets can not be used as an indicator of the health of the economy. During the rise of the day traders (when there was some but very few) it was still somewhat useful as a indicator of the mood of the population that was paying attention. Now with microtrades and the increase of the percentage of day traders it has lost even that.

Look at who owns the majority of stock, it's not the little guy. 90% is owned by the top 1%.

But don't go mentioning the rise in income disparity in a thread where farklibs are championing a record DJIA and how it is an indicator of a strong economy of which Obama is responsible for.

So is it your contention that the wealth gap started under Obama and Democrats don't care about the rise in his terms in office. Meanwhile last week the right was in another thread denying the gap existed. If so... Wow. Just wow


It is my contention that both parties of corporate puppets don't give a shiat about you or me.

And I expect that any day now a number of bankers responsible for crashing the economy will be put on trial for crashing the US and World economies....after they are forced to resign from the SEC, Obamas cabinet, and the economic recovery working group team association thingy.
 
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