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(WTOP)   Supreme Court to decide if you can use your religion as an excuse to make health decisions for your employees   (wtop.com) divider line 36
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2013-11-26 12:55:23 PM
12 votes:
I don't know where this thing that "corporations are people" started up.  If anything, corporations are more valuable to the world today, and thus deserve more rights than people.  Without corporations, you would not have McDonald's.  Think about that.  A world without McDonald's.  People would be starving without McDonald's.  Thank you, McDonald's.
2013-11-26 01:09:44 PM
11 votes:

R.A.Danny: You just hurt my brain, Mike_LoweLL.


That is the weakness inside of you leaving.  Embrace conservatism.  Embrace the chalice of freedom.  Drink from the chalice.  Rise.
2013-11-26 02:15:06 PM
10 votes:
Ironically Hobby Lobby sold me all the tools I need to whittle my own abortion clinic.
2013-11-26 01:34:33 PM
8 votes:

gilgigamesh: Mike_LowELL: R.A.Danny: You just hurt my brain, Mike_LoweLL.

That is the weakness inside of you leaving.  Embrace conservatism.  Embrace the chalice of freedom.  Drink from the chalice.  Rise.

I took your advice and embraced the chalice, but I did it a little too tightly and got Freedom all over my shirt.

You owe me a new shirt.


I hear it comes out with a little white wash.
2013-11-26 12:55:22 PM
8 votes:

Blues_X: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: What religion is The Hobby Lobby, anyway?

Cheap Chinese Productionism.


Ah. Methodist.
2013-11-26 12:41:47 PM
7 votes:

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: What religion is The Hobby Lobby, anyway?


Cheap Chinese Productionism.
2013-11-26 02:10:36 PM
5 votes:
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At GreenAdder Industries, carbs aren't just recommended. They're mandatory.
2013-11-26 01:17:43 PM
4 votes:

Mike_LowELL: R.A.Danny: You just hurt my brain, Mike_LoweLL.

That is the weakness inside of you leaving.  Embrace conservatism.  Embrace the chalice of freedom.  Drink from the chalice.  Rise.


I took your advice and embraced the chalice, but I did it a little too tightly and got Freedom all over my shirt.

You owe me a new shirt.
2013-11-26 12:33:11 PM
4 votes:
What religion is The Hobby Lobby, anyway?
2013-11-26 03:50:33 PM
3 votes:

Mike_LowELL: I don't know where this thing that "corporations are people" started up.  If anything, corporations are more valuable to the world today, and thus deserve more rights than people.  Without corporations, you would not have McDonald's.  Think about that.  A world without McDonald's.  People would be starving without McDonald's.  Thank you, McDonald's.

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This doesn't taste like any Scottish food I've ever had.
2013-11-26 02:57:22 PM
3 votes:

Irving Maimway: What I'd like to know is if corporations are people, why can other people own them?


Congratulations, you just figured out why anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of American civics can figure out that the 13th Amendment is unconstitutional.
2013-11-26 02:55:51 PM
2 votes:

Mike_LowELL: I don't know where this thing that "corporations are people" started up.  If anything, corporations are more valuable to the world today, and thus deserve more rights than people.  Without corporations, you would not have McDonald's.  Think about that.  A world without McDonald's.  People would be starving without McDonald's.  Thank you, McDonald's.


What I'd like to know is if corporations are people, why can other people own them?
2013-11-26 02:08:50 PM
2 votes:

gilgigamesh: You owe me a new shirt.


I would endorse your legal claims if you were making over 250,000 dollars a year, but alas, the purpose of the courts are to ensure that people of my stature and success can hold onto their money.  You may consider this unfair, but this is the only way to protect the American dream, to make sure anyone can succeed in this country, and when they get to the top, no number of disastrous decisions can take that away from them.
2013-11-26 01:51:42 PM
2 votes:
Ok I am going to form a religion that requires contraception and medical services, then I will suggest my flock finds employment with companies like Hobby Lobby. What happens when you have conflicting religious requirements to be met? Does the corporation win or do the people?
2013-11-26 01:48:05 PM
2 votes:

swaniefrmreddeer: This won't end well if the SCOTUS allows the companies to deny contraception. The JW plan will not include blood transfusions, the christian scientists plan will include only prayer.


Correct. SCOTUS extending personhood to corporations ends in them getting the right to vote...one vote per share.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: What religion is The Hobby Lobby, anyway?


Worship of Mammon...obviously.
2013-11-26 01:41:18 PM
2 votes:
In other news, my Rastafarian beanie company's health insurance policy now only covers vegetarian organic food and marijuana for illnesses.
2013-11-26 01:00:33 PM
2 votes:
There are two things you learn right fast about corporations: first, they want you to get a wife so you have some coont nagging you to work harder to get promotions. And second, they want you to have kids, so you feel tied down. Workplaces frowning on contraception isn't about being pro-life. It's about being pro-slavery, and you're the slave.
2013-11-26 08:29:22 PM
1 votes:

d23: flucto: So it's not ok to argue with the government? You just accept the administrative regulations and like it?

Firstly, if you don't like rules and regulations and organization, then Somalia is for you.

Secondly, there is *no* group of people on the planet that has legislators ears more than corporate executives.  My idiot rep, for instance, doesn't even listen to his constituents, it's all ALEC with him.  So they have plenty of input on the laws... much more than me.  And they biatch more than any group as well.  To say that they have no input is asinine.  If they want to be in the US follow the law.


DRINK!
2013-11-26 04:49:27 PM
1 votes:
I'm in the camp of people that think that if an employer has a religion, they have the right to STFU and not allow it to effect the lives of the employees.
If they violate the right to STFU, they have the right to be imprisoned for forcing their beliefs/bullshiat on their employees.

That's my camp, and I'm staying there.
We have s'mores, too.
2013-11-26 04:05:33 PM
1 votes:

CujoQuarrel: Cyberluddite: CujoQuarrel: / Ran into a woman who's job had cut her 40 hours to 28 hours to avoid the 'Obama tax'
// She is making ends meet now as a part time stripper

Did she also tell you that she was just doing it to work her way through college, and also that she really, really likes you and you aren't like all the other customers?

She wasn't. Just trying to feed the three kids. She worked in a hospice by day.

And it's an amazing fact that a lot of them 'are' college students or are going to beauty school. I'll bet most of them never graduate but it is a way of paying for college.

I've tutored 3 of them in math.

Been to one graduation.

And I'm not like all the other customers. I'm a cheapskate.


This is the creepiest thing I'm gonna read today, and I hang out in TFD.
2013-11-26 03:55:59 PM
1 votes:

Transubstantive: The whole "corporations are people" thing was a legal fiction used purely as an analogy for certain legal doctrines.  The fact that the Supreme Court of the United States decided to turn this into a literal statement is beyond stupid, especially considering they all went to top-tier law schools.  It is, without a doubt, the worst SCOTUS decision in the 21st century.


Don't get ahead of yourself.  We have another 87 years to try to top it.
2013-11-26 03:46:47 PM
1 votes:

Headso: CujoQuarrel: / Ran into a woman who's job had cut her 40 hours to 28 hours to avoid the 'Obama tax'
// She is  making ends meet now as a part time stripper


What strip club were you at?


A local one. Not part of any major chain.

I prefer the smaller 'sleazier' ones
2013-11-26 03:44:23 PM
1 votes:

Cyberluddite: Honoring the Lord in all we do by operating the company in a manner consistent with biblical principles.


Wow, so, like, they don't accept credit cards because they refuse to do business with corporations that flagrantly commit the sin of usury?
2013-11-26 03:44:05 PM
1 votes:

Torgo_of_Manos: Cyberluddite: More significantly, the Supremes will essentially be deciding whether a corporation can have a religion and whether it has the right to free exercise of that religion.  Since they've already decided that corporations are "persons" with other First Amendment rights ("freedom of speech," i.e., freedom to spend unlimited money to influence elections), it doesn't seem much of a stretch to extend to corporations the First Amendment right to free exercise of religion, does it?

I still think that this movie is more prophecy that anything....

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"Jonathan! Jonathan! Jonathan!"
2013-11-26 03:36:23 PM
1 votes:
This country is kind of stupid, isn't it?
2013-11-26 03:32:21 PM
1 votes:

CujoQuarrel: / Ran into a woman who's job had cut her 40 hours to 28 hours to avoid the 'Obama tax'
// She is making ends meet now as a part time stripper


Did she also tell you that she was just doing it to work her way through college, and also that she really, really likes you and you aren't like all the other customers?
2013-11-26 03:30:27 PM
1 votes:

CujoQuarrel: / Ran into a woman who's job had cut her 40 hours to 28 hours to avoid the 'Obama tax'
// She is  making ends meet now as a part time stripper



What strip club were you at?
2013-11-26 03:27:17 PM
1 votes:

Mike_LowELL: R.A.Danny: You just hurt my brain, Mike_LoweLL.

That is the weakness inside of you leaving.  Embrace conservatism.  Embrace the chalice of freedom.  Drink from the chalice.  Rise.


I followed your directions but my penis keeps getting stuck in the window.
2013-11-26 03:26:56 PM
1 votes:
I wouldn't want to be working for Ikea when they start looking around for the sacrifices to Thor.
2013-11-26 03:18:49 PM
1 votes:

Transubstantive: The whole "corporations are people" thing was a legal fiction used purely as an analogy for certain legal doctrines.  The fact that the Supreme Court of the United States decided to turn this into a literal statement is beyond stupid, especially considering they all went to top-tier law schools.  It is, without a doubt, the worst SCOTUS decision in the 21st century.


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demands a recount
2013-11-26 02:57:43 PM
1 votes:

Cyberluddite: Making them into  people was easy for him, but making them into  Mormons has proven to be more difficult.


Oops.  That was supposed to be in response to this:

edmo: Companies never had a religion until Romney made them people.

2013-11-26 02:56:56 PM
1 votes:
Making them into  people was easy for him, but making them into  Mormons has proven to be more difficult.
2013-11-26 02:05:00 PM
1 votes:
My religion forbids organ transplants, antibiotics, and a whole bunch of other expensive stuff... I expect to save a lot of money on insurance for my employees.
2013-11-26 02:01:36 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Cyberluddite: More significantly, the Supremes will essentially be deciding whether a corporation can have a religion and whether it has the right to free exercise of that religion.  Since they've already decided that corporations are "persons" with other First Amendment rights ("freedom of speech," i.e., freedom to spend unlimited money to influence elections), it doesn't seem much of a stretch to extend to corporations the First Amendment right to free exercise of religion, does it?

Exactly right. This makes absolutely no sense at all. The whole point of corporations is that they are separate from their owners. In order to pierce the corporate veil, really specific situations need to apply. How the fark is this supposed to work with religion? What percentage of a companies equity ownership (or are we including creditors also) need to agree on a religious belief for it to be attributable to the corporation they own securities of?


That gives the mischievous lawyer in me the idea of personally suing the owners of a company on the basis that the company sharing its owners' religious beliefs muddies its identity as a separate entity.

I have to admit, this "corporate religion" idea is so nonsensical it is just chock full of unintended consequences-goodness.
2013-11-26 01:56:11 PM
1 votes:

Cyberluddite: Since they've already decided that corporations are "persons" with other First Amendment rights ("freedom of speech," i.e., freedom to spend unlimited money to influence elections),


The first amendment doesn't say anything about people having the right of free speech. It says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech." Any law which abridges freedom of speech is unconstitutional.

Otherwise, I could pass all sorts of crazy-ass laws. Don't like abortion? Pass a law making it illegal for anyone acting as a representative of Planned Parenthood to lobby on their behalf to seek federal, state, or private grants. Don't like hamburgers? You could make it illegal for McDonald's to say their hamburgers taste good. Hey, McDonald's doesn't have the right of free speech, right? They could make it illegal for Fark to parody the news, since it might hurt the news' feelings. Fark.com is a corporation and doesn't have the right of free speech to satirize the news after all.
2013-11-26 12:58:54 PM
1 votes:
You just hurt my brain, Mike_LoweLL.
 
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