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(SFGate)   One weird trick to driving with a BAC of 0.13, running someone over, and not getting arrested: make sure you're behind the wheel of a fire truck   (sfgate.com) divider line 43
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2013-11-26 01:30:29 PM
Police car would also be acceptable.
 
2013-11-26 01:31:46 PM
While I have no doubt criminal charges should be brought forth for the firetruck driver, the motorcycle drive cannot duck out of all responsibility if the truck was driving with the lights and siren on, they needed to yield, despite the light.
 
2013-11-26 01:35:29 PM

macadamnut: Police car would also be acceptable.


Not in Indiana.

/He's being sentenced today after being found guilty.
 
2013-11-26 01:36:41 PM
Hey! That was my BAC when I got mugged, driven to the hospital in an ambulance, and spent the worst night of my life! Glad to see the good ol' 0.13 is still cause for a funny story--after enough time passes.
 
2013-11-26 01:37:11 PM
FTFA: Quinn was responding to what turned out to be a false alarm

John Bender strikes again
 
2013-11-26 01:40:22 PM
But does it help with annoying belly fat?
 
2013-11-26 01:40:46 PM
Regular drunk drivers HATE him!
 
2013-11-26 01:42:45 PM

snailbarf: Regular drunk drivers HATE him!


Nobody likes an overachiever.
 
2013-11-26 01:43:42 PM
Subby, I'm liking the "one weird trick" meme.. hehe
 
2013-11-26 01:43:54 PM

SecretAgentWoman: While I have no doubt criminal charges should be brought forth for the firetruck driver, the motorcycle drive cannot duck out of all responsibility if the truck was driving with the lights and siren on, they needed to yield, despite the light.


So you're a witness to the accident? You saw everything that happened? No? Then STFU.
 
2013-11-26 01:45:22 PM
No unions for public employees.  That shiat has to go.

Employees need unions to defend against private sector employers, but government agencies are just stupid, fat beasts that unions suck blood out of.
 
2013-11-26 01:46:10 PM

SecretAgentWoman: While I have no doubt criminal charges should be brought forth for the firetruck driver, the motorcycle drive cannot duck out of all responsibility if the truck was driving with the lights and siren on, they needed to yield, despite the light.


Ooo, thanks for the free traffic legal advice!  Are you a professional law-talking person?
 
2013-11-26 01:47:11 PM
Does it say somewher in the civil service manual, that making a living off of other peoples taxes gives you a sense of priveledge you don't find in the private sector?

The sad part is, when civil servants f'up, the tax payer pays for that too.
 
2013-11-26 01:49:22 PM

AbiNormal: So you're a witness to the accident? You saw everything that happened? No? Then STFU.


Uh...This is the internet. Facts, reason, and logic have no place here. This is the place for wild speculation, pornography, ad hominem attacks, and cat pictures.
 
2013-11-26 01:49:38 PM
Chief Joanne Hayes-White: "I believe in my heart of hearts," she said, that there was no collusion between firefighters in the Quinn case.

The thin red line.
 
2013-11-26 01:49:53 PM

AbiNormal: SecretAgentWoman: While I have no doubt criminal charges should be brought forth for the firetruck driver, the motorcycle drive cannot duck out of all responsibility if the truck was driving with the lights and siren on, they needed to yield, despite the light.

So you're a witness to the accident? You saw everything that happened? No? Then STFU.


You're not a witness either, you know. Neither am I. If we want something done about it, we should request a more detailed investigation, or request details about this case, possibly via a FOIA request.
 
2013-11-26 01:51:24 PM
I became a congressman so I wouldn't have to go to jail for my cocaine abuse.
 
2013-11-26 01:51:34 PM

Pichu0102: AbiNormal: SecretAgentWoman: While I have no doubt criminal charges should be brought forth for the firetruck driver, the motorcycle drive cannot duck out of all responsibility if the truck was driving with the lights and siren on, they needed to yield, despite the light.

So you're a witness to the accident? You saw everything that happened? No? Then STFU.

You're not a witness either, you know. Neither am I. If we want something done about it, we should request a more detailed investigation, or request details about this case, possibly via a FOIA request.


You could have just to Abi he's a dick.
 
2013-11-26 01:51:45 PM

AbiNormal: SecretAgentWoman: While I have no doubt criminal charges should be brought forth for the firetruck driver, the motorcycle drive cannot duck out of all responsibility if the truck was driving with the lights and siren on, they needed to yield, despite the light.

So you're a witness to the accident? You saw everything that happened? No? Then STFU.


Sorry, Mr. Normal.  We'll have your motorcycle fixed up and back to you in no time.
 
2013-11-26 01:53:41 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: AbiNormal: So you're a witness to the accident? You saw everything that happened? No? Then STFU.

Uh...This is the internet. Facts, reason, and logic have no place here. This is the place for wild speculation, pornography, ad hominem attacks, and cat pictures.


Hey now! That was meant as an ad hominem attack.
 
2013-11-26 01:55:50 PM

SecretAgentWoman: While I have no doubt criminal charges should be brought forth for the firetruck driver, the motorcycle drive cannot duck out of all responsibility if the truck was driving with the lights and siren on, they needed to yield, despite the light.


They did yield. Most people yield around the sides of the truck bht this guy yielded by going below it. Same thing really.
 
2013-11-26 01:56:15 PM

AbiNormal: SecretAgentWoman: While I have no doubt criminal charges should be brought forth for the firetruck driver, the motorcycle drive cannot duck out of all responsibility if the truck was driving with the lights and siren on, they needed to yield, despite the light.

So you're a witness to the accident? You saw everything that happened? No? Then STFU.


You know who else liked to stifle debate?
 
2013-11-26 01:56:45 PM

Nana's Vibrator: AbiNormal: SecretAgentWoman: While I have no doubt criminal charges should be brought forth for the firetruck driver, the motorcycle drive cannot duck out of all responsibility if the truck was driving with the lights and siren on, they needed to yield, despite the light.

So you're a witness to the accident? You saw everything that happened? No? Then STFU.

Sorry, Mr. Normal.  We'll have your motorcycle fixed up and back to you in no time.


Funny story. I was in a motorcycle accident about 2 months ago. My own damn fault going to fast around a corner.

/Minor damage to the bike
//A little road rash for me
///Helmet saved my noggin
 
2013-11-26 01:56:52 PM

SecretAgentWoman: While I have no doubt criminal charges should be brought forth for the firetruck driver, the motorcycle drive cannot duck out of all responsibility if the truck was driving with the lights and siren on, they needed to yield, despite the light.


Perhaps but the California law requires emergency vehicles to exhibit due regard to the safety of others when blowing through red lights.    The video is pretty clear, the engine was traveling a at a high rate of speed through a blind intersection, it may have been near impossible for either driver to see the other one.

Further the SFFD departmental rules requires him to confirm the intersection is clear before passing a red signal.
 
2013-11-26 01:57:38 PM

Pichu0102: AbiNormal: SecretAgentWoman: While I have no doubt criminal charges should be brought forth for the firetruck driver, the motorcycle drive cannot duck out of all responsibility if the truck was driving with the lights and siren on, they needed to yield, despite the light.

So you're a witness to the accident? You saw everything that happened? No? Then STFU.

You're not a witness either, you know. Neither am I. If we want something done about it, we should request a more detailed investigation, or request details about this case, possibly via a FOIA request.


Having ridden a whole lot of ,miles on motorcycles, and being familiar with that intersection (Fifth and Howard), here's the problem:

You're wearing a helmet (mandatory in California),which cuts off peripheral visiion, and muffles sound. You've got tall buildings at the intersection, which blocks your view of vehicles approaching.  And there's almost always some siren going off, it's SOMA.  So seeing the lights and hearing the siren is not such a likely thing.

Which is why they usually stop before entering the intersection, to see that it's clear, at least they did during the 20+ years I lived in SF. Sounds like he either skipped this step, or more likely he did stop, but like most vehicle drivers his brain was set to "look for cars/trucks" and just didn't register when he saw the bike.  I've seen this a million times -- a driver looks right at you, sees you, but pulls out anyway, because they don't see a car.

/subby
//SFFD is chock full o' drunks
///and stoners
 
2013-11-26 01:58:32 PM

morgen_benner: macadamnut: Police car would also be acceptable.

Not in Indiana.

/He's being sentenced today after being found guilty.


FOX 59, we don't get that channel down in the deep south part of IN.
 
2013-11-26 02:00:04 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Uh...This is the internet. Facts, reason, and logic have no place here. This is the place for wild speculation, pornography, ad hominem attacks, and cat pictures.


: AbiNormal: So you're a witness to the accident? You saw everything that happened? No? Then STFU.

Uh...This is the internet. Facts, reason, and logic have no place here. This is the place for wild speculation, pornography, ad hominem attacks, and cat pictures.


That's getting added to mah profile for shizzle!
 
2013-11-26 02:02:25 PM

AbiNormal: Funny story. I was in a motorcycle accident about 2 months ago. My own damn fault going to fast around a corner.

/Minor damage to the bike
//A little road rash for me
///Helmet saved my noggin


What do (did?) you ride?
Glad to hear you're OK
 
2013-11-26 02:03:17 PM
Sin_City_Superhero:
Uh...This is the internet. Facts, reason, and logic have no place here. This is the place for wild speculation, pornography, ad hominem attacks, and cat pictures.

Beer fights, whiskey/whisky/bourbon, chicago "pizza" versus new york pizza (not to be eaten with a fork), bicycle idiots having rights, tipping waiters... All of these are valid whargarbl and can be interspersed with political agendas along partisan lines. Oh and sharp knees... never forget the sharp knees.
 
2013-11-26 02:05:14 PM

noitsnot: No unions for public employees.  That shiat has to go.

Employees need unions to defend against private sector employers, but government agencies are just stupid, fat beasts that unions suck blood out of.


Yeah. A public employee has no need to fear that the new mayor will fire him because a crony's retarded nephew want to be a fireman.

Also, since this is America, you don't get to tell people who they can associate with based on who their employer is.
 
2013-11-26 02:09:30 PM

lizyrd: Also, since this is America, you don't get to tell people who they can associate with based on who their employer is.


Private companies in Texas are funny that way - a few places I've worked have strict policies about associations you can't have in your personal life, and there's even language regarding your own use of social networks - with what you are allowed to say about where you work, if anything at all. It's no fun. 'Muricah!
 
2013-11-26 02:10:01 PM
MustardTiger:

FOX 59, we don't get that channel down in the deep south part of IN.

Is this link better then?
 
2013-11-26 02:12:39 PM

MisterRonbo: Pichu0102: AbiNormal: SecretAgentWoman: While I have no doubt criminal charges should be brought forth for the firetruck driver, the motorcycle drive cannot duck out of all responsibility if the truck was driving with the lights and siren on, they needed to yield, despite the light.

So you're a witness to the accident? You saw everything that happened? No? Then STFU.

You're not a witness either, you know. Neither am I. If we want something done about it, we should request a more detailed investigation, or request details about this case, possibly via a FOIA request.

Having ridden a whole lot of ,miles on motorcycles, and being familiar with that intersection (Fifth and Howard), here's the problem:

You're wearing a helmet (mandatory in California),which cuts off peripheral visiion, and muffles sound. You've got tall buildings at the intersection, which blocks your view of vehicles approaching.  And there's almost always some siren going off, it's SOMA.  So seeing the lights and hearing the siren is not such a likely thing.

Which is why they usually stop before entering the intersection, to see that it's clear, at least they did during the 20+ years I lived in SF. Sounds like he either skipped this step, or more likely he did stop, but like most vehicle drivers his brain was set to "look for cars/trucks" and just didn't register when he saw the bike.  I've seen this a million times -- a driver looks right at you, sees you, but pulls out anyway, because they don't see a car.

/subby
//SFFD is chock full o' drunks
///and stoners


A motorcycle helmet neither cuts off peripheral vision, nor does much muffling of any sound. Helmet manufacturers are a little smarter when designing a helmet for vision, and you will get permanent hearing loss if all you wear is a helmet.

But yes you are right about people not seeing motorcycles sometimes.
 
2013-11-26 02:13:30 PM

AbiNormal: SecretAgentWoman: While I have no doubt criminal charges should be brought forth for the firetruck driver, the motorcycle drive cannot duck out of all responsibility if the truck was driving with the lights and siren on, they needed to yield, despite the light.

So you're a witness to the accident? You saw everything that happened? No? Then STFU.


Do you see that highlighted word, punchy?  He's just making a simple statement.  Don't get yourself all worked up.
 
2013-11-26 02:14:36 PM

gund: But yes you are right about people not seeing motorcycles sometimes.


I don't see a motorcycle right now!
 
2013-11-26 02:21:26 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: gund: But yes you are right about people not seeing motorcycles sometimes.

I don't see a motorcycle right now!


Here ya go!  Stat!

www.joshuawitten.com
 
2013-11-26 02:21:51 PM

Whiskey Dickens: AbiNormal: Funny story. I was in a motorcycle accident about 2 months ago. My own damn fault going to fast around a corner.

/Minor damage to the bike
//A little road rash for me
///Helmet saved my noggin

What do (did?) you ride?
Glad to hear you're OK


2008 H-D Crossbones.
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2013-11-26 02:33:22 PM

gund: A motorcycle helmet neither cuts off peripheral vision, nor does much muffling of any sound.


Lolwut?  Maybe you're thinking of those stupid little brain buckets, I mean a real helmet, as in the full-face kind.

Here's a hint: how do you tell the direction that a sound is coming from?  And how would putting a foam-lined shell over your entire head affect that?
 
2013-11-26 02:42:42 PM
This sounds like the sort of thing Obama doesn't want us to know about.
 
2013-11-26 03:05:12 PM

AbiNormal: Whiskey Dickens: AbiNormal: Funny story. I was in a motorcycle accident about 2 months ago. My own damn fault going to fast around a corner.

/Minor damage to the bike
//A little road rash for me
///Helmet saved my noggin

What do (did?) you ride?
Glad to hear you're OK

2008 H-D Crossbones.
[img834.imageshack.us image 800x479]



I'm glad you're OK, and I hope the bike is, uh.  Well...
...I'm glad you're OK!
 
2013-11-26 03:11:28 PM

Whiskey Dickens: AbiNormal: Whiskey Dickens: AbiNormal: Funny story. I was in a motorcycle accident about 2 months ago. My own damn fault going to fast around a corner.

/Minor damage to the bike
//A little road rash for me
///Helmet saved my noggin

What do (did?) you ride?
Glad to hear you're OK

2008 H-D Crossbones.
[img834.imageshack.us image 800x479]


I'm glad you're OK, and I hope the bike is, uh.  Well...
...I'm glad you're OK!


It's going to cost me a few bucks but I'll have back on the road soon.

/With a few upgrades of course
//And a smarter rider
///No, I'm not selling it
 
2013-11-26 03:32:07 PM
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would've thought to seen this before Beverly Cleary references...
 
2013-11-26 04:12:03 PM

MisterRonbo: Pichu0102: AbiNormal: SecretAgentWoman: While I have no doubt criminal charges should be brought forth for the firetruck driver, the motorcycle drive cannot duck out of all responsibility if the truck was driving with the lights and siren on, they needed to yield, despite the light.

So you're a witness to the accident? You saw everything that happened? No? Then STFU.

You're not a witness either, you know. Neither am I. If we want something done about it, we should request a more detailed investigation, or request details about this case, possibly via a FOIA request.

Having ridden a whole lot of ,miles on motorcycles, and being familiar with that intersection (Fifth and Howard), here's the problem:

You're wearing a helmet (mandatory in California),which cuts off peripheral visiion, and muffles sound. You've got tall buildings at the intersection, which blocks your view of vehicles approaching.  And there's almost always some siren going off, it's SOMA.  So seeing the lights and hearing the siren is not such a likely thing.

Which is why they usually stop before entering the intersection, to see that it's clear, at least they did during the 20+ years I lived in SF. Sounds like he either skipped this step, or more likely he did stop, but like most vehicle drivers his brain was set to "look for cars/trucks" and just didn't register when he saw the bike.  I've seen this a million times -- a driver looks right at you, sees you, but pulls out anyway, because they don't see a car.

/subby
//SFFD is chock full o' drunks
///and stoners


Sounds like a glitch in how the human mind works.
 
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