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2013-11-26 01:23:43 PM  
I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.
 
2013-11-26 01:25:07 PM  
The next thing you'll tell me is that the local furniture store's 54th annual going-out-of-business sale with guaranteed 50-percent-off list prices isn't legit.
 
2013-11-26 02:33:56 PM  

sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.


LOL.  I'd love to have had regular updates showing the deterioration of the situation.

"Day 5:  Food is becoming scarce and moral is at an all time low.  Some are claiming there's talk of cannibalism, but I hope these are just rumors and speculation brought on by hunger, fatigue, cold and lack of sleep.  One fellow shopper has restorted to drinking his own urine.  The customers at the adjoining Barnes & Noble eye us with derision and contempt."
 
2013-11-26 02:37:23 PM  
But to the point of TFA....

Yeah.  About three weeks ago I went to an outlet center.  "50% of all merchandise!" at one store.  Sounds great, until you see the original sticker price for a fleece jacket was $90.  Are people really that dumb?  Here in Orlando, I swear they've given up on the locals and are just trying to sucker tourists - especially tourists from other countries.
 
2013-11-26 02:41:14 PM  
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2013-11-26 02:42:41 PM  

Diogenes: But to the point of TFA....

Yeah.  About three weeks ago I went to an outlet center.  "50% of all merchandise!" at one store.  Sounds great, until you see the original sticker price for a fleece jacket was $90.  Are people really that dumb?  Here in Orlando, I swear they've given up on the locals and are just trying to sucker tourists - especially tourists from other countries.


The further you get from OIA (er... MCO) the better.
 
2013-11-26 02:43:01 PM  
I don't think I've ever purchased anything from Kohl's without the 30% off coupon AND Kohl's cash. I know full well it's a marketing gimmick but I'll be damned if I don't leave that place without some sort of self-accomplishment.
 
2013-11-26 02:43:41 PM  

Genju: Diogenes: But to the point of TFA....

Yeah.  About three weeks ago I went to an outlet center.  "50% of all merchandise!" at one store.  Sounds great, until you see the original sticker price for a fleece jacket was $90.  Are people really that dumb?  Here in Orlando, I swear they've given up on the locals and are just trying to sucker tourists - especially tourists from other countries.

The further you get from OIA (er... MCO) the better.


This is the one kinda sorta where Dolly Parton's Dixie Stampede used to be.  Total tourist area.
 
2013-11-26 02:43:47 PM  
This is why you buy online, pick up in store, possibly get whatever door prizes they might hand you.  Usually the site has a non-black friday deal that's the same price.
 
2013-11-26 02:45:41 PM  

Ponzholio: I don't think I've ever purchased anything from Kohl's without the 30% off coupon AND Kohl's cash. I know full well it's a marketing gimmick but I'll be damned if I don't leave that place without some sort of self-accomplishment.


Well of course.  You need to use the 30% to get the real price.  It would be dumb not to use it.  Just don't be fooled into thinking you're getting a real deal.

Comparison shopping is where it's at.  That, and potentially leveraging one place's deals against another's.  "We'll beat any competitor's prices..." yadda yadda.
 
2013-11-26 02:46:09 PM  

Ponzholio: I don't think I've ever purchased anything from Kohl's without the 30% off coupon AND Kohl's cash. I know full well it's a marketing gimmick but I'll be damned if I don't leave that place without some sort of self-accomplishment.


Bed Bath and Beyond doesn't do cash AFAIK, but their 20% off coupon is a necessity as well.  It's the cheapest place I've found to buy razor blades, believe it or not, if I have one of those coupons.

/Please tell me if you know of a place to get inexpensive Mach 3 blades
 
2013-11-26 02:47:17 PM  
Got a sweet deal on a 24" at HHGregg. $109 or something like that. It's for the Airstream and a 32" would be too large for where it needs to go. Plus, I am not blind.
 
2013-11-26 02:47:34 PM  
I'm shopping in Feb, when they have tons of crap they can't unload.
 
2013-11-26 02:48:05 PM  
In other news, there is a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio.
 
2013-11-26 02:51:53 PM  
I'm not going to dig, but isn't there a whole psychology behind sale prices? Buying "regular price" vs a slightly marked up discounted price?
 
2013-11-26 02:53:33 PM  

born_yesterday: Ponzholio: I don't think I've ever purchased anything from Kohl's without the 30% off coupon AND Kohl's cash. I know full well it's a marketing gimmick but I'll be damned if I don't leave that place without some sort of self-accomplishment.

Bed Bath and Beyond doesn't do cash AFAIK, but their 20% off coupon is a necessity as well.  It's the cheapest place I've found to buy razor blades, believe it or not, if I have one of those coupons.

/Please tell me if you know of a place to get inexpensive Mach 3 blades


Try FastTech
 
2013-11-26 02:53:38 PM  
So how much do you folks make an hour that you are willing to wait around for 2 or 3 days to save 200 bucks on a tv or whatever?
 
2013-11-26 02:55:45 PM  

Diogenes: Genju: Diogenes: But to the point of TFA....

Yeah.  About three weeks ago I went to an outlet center.  "50% of all merchandise!" at one store.  Sounds great, until you see the original sticker price for a fleece jacket was $90.  Are people really that dumb?  Here in Orlando, I swear they've given up on the locals and are just trying to sucker tourists - especially tourists from other countries.

The further you get from OIA (er... MCO) the better.

This is the one kinda sorta where Dolly Parton's Dixie Stampede used to be.  Total tourist area.


I'm trying to remember, but isn't there one about 15 minutes from MCO where all the upper class live? There's a Banana Republic, American Eagle, Armani, etc. It's one giant outdoor mall that is almost impossible to ever find a parking spot.

/always shops after Christmas
 
2013-11-26 02:56:35 PM  
Hey, subby, how do you grammar? You're missing a "from."
 
2013-11-26 02:59:13 PM  

sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.


What is your time worth, per hour? X

How many hours will you spend in line? Y

How much money are you saving waiting in line? Z

If X times Y is less than Z, then you are doing the smart thing.
If X times Y is greater than Z, then you are wasting time trying to save money. It's your life, it's your time. Your time is the only thing you own.
 
2013-11-26 02:59:49 PM  

zulius: I'm not going to dig, but isn't there a whole psychology behind sale prices? Buying "regular price" vs a slightly marked up discounted price?


Yes.  Abandoning the "markup and have a sale price" model is one of the reasons JC Penny went into the shiatter this year.  People want to feel like they're getting a deal, even when they're not.
 
2013-11-26 02:59:57 PM  
Diogenes

sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.

LOL. I'd love to have had regular updates showing the deterioration of the situation.

"Day 5: Food is becoming scarce and moral is at an all time low. Some are claiming there's talk of cannibalism, but I hope these are just rumors and speculation brought on by hunger, fatigue, cold and lack of sleep. One fellow shopper has restorted to drinking his own urine. The customers at the adjoining Barnes & Noble eye us with derision and contempt."


Day 12 sigdiamond200 dies of dysentery.
 
2013-11-26 03:00:24 PM  
I don't think this articles tells the whole story.  When I worked retail, I was able to look up the store's cost of items, and for the front page Black Friday deals, most were being sold below cost, particularly electronics where the margins are razor thin to begin with.  The idea being that they are willing to take a real loss on a few items in order to increase traffic into the store to buy other items with more traditional retail markup.
 
2013-11-26 03:01:31 PM  

sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.


750p huh?

/the latest amazing formatz!!1
//I'll be working friday
///not at a store
 
hej [TotalFark]
2013-11-26 03:02:25 PM  

sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.


9/10, mostly because you've pulled it off well enough to make me lawl, and you got bites without having to resort to directly inflammatory comments.
 
2013-11-26 03:02:45 PM  
The worst example of this was last year when Zellers (in the US, KMart would be a close approximation) went out of business up here in Canuckistan.  The "Final Liquidation - Everything MUST go!  Up to 90% off" signs went up a week before the cut off day.

My office was right next to a location so it was fairly easy to check out.  I used to like their "Hunt Club" Khakis, I had bought some reasonably recently and knew their prices went from 34.99 regular to around 20 bucks on sale.

The liquidation price?  69.99!!!!  The regular price was marked at 187 dollars.   I can tell you Zellers has NEVER farkin sold a pair of pants for almost 200 bucks.

It was insane, even the video games...nothing less than 20 bucks with "regular" prices in excess of 80 to 90 dollars.

How they go away with this shiat I will never know.
 
2013-11-26 03:02:55 PM  

Genju: Diogenes: Genju: Diogenes: But to the point of TFA....

Yeah.  About three weeks ago I went to an outlet center.  "50% of all merchandise!" at one store.  Sounds great, until you see the original sticker price for a fleece jacket was $90.  Are people really that dumb?  Here in Orlando, I swear they've given up on the locals and are just trying to sucker tourists - especially tourists from other countries.

The further you get from OIA (er... MCO) the better.

This is the one kinda sorta where Dolly Parton's Dixie Stampede used to be.  Total tourist area.

I'm trying to remember, but isn't there one about 15 minutes from MCO where all the upper class live? There's a Banana Republic, American Eagle, Armani, etc. It's one giant outdoor mall that is almost impossible to ever find a parking spot.

/always shops after Christmas


Well, that selection of stores doesn't really narrow it down.  But I'm inclined to think you're talking about the ones on the far end of I-Drive.  Near Festival Bay.

But it could also be the ones I'm referring to.  They're not far from me, and I'm right down the B-line from the airport.

Hard to say...parking is impossible regardless of the time year at both locations.  There's more residential area at the one nearer to me.
 
2013-11-26 03:04:02 PM  

jclaggett: born_yesterday: Ponzholio: I don't think I've ever purchased anything from Kohl's without the 30% off coupon AND Kohl's cash. I know full well it's a marketing gimmick but I'll be damned if I don't leave that place without some sort of self-accomplishment.

Bed Bath and Beyond doesn't do cash AFAIK, but their 20% off coupon is a necessity as well.  It's the cheapest place I've found to buy razor blades, believe it or not, if I have one of those coupons.

/Please tell me if you know of a place to get inexpensive Mach 3 blades

Try FastTech


And ditch the Mach 3 for a fusion. It is sooooo much better.
 
2013-11-26 03:04:09 PM  
obama.net

Can't wait
 
2013-11-26 03:04:56 PM  

tcaptain: The worst example of this was last year when Zellers (in the US, KMart would be a close approximation) went out of business up here in Canuckistan. The "Final Liquidation - Everything MUST go! Up to 90% off" signs went up a week before the cut off day.


There is a furniture store here in Frederick -Routzahn's- that has been going out of business for the last seven years.
 
2013-11-26 03:07:52 PM  

bopis: So how much do you folks make an hour that you are willing to wait around for 2 or 3 days to save 200 bucks on a tv or whatever?


The salary is determined by how many people are in your household.
 
2013-11-26 03:08:05 PM  
born_yesterday


zulius: I'm not going to dig, but isn't there a whole psychology behind sale prices? Buying "regular price" vs a slightly marked up discounted price?

Yes. Abandoning the "markup and have a sale price" model is one of the reasons JC Penny went into the shiatter this year. People want to feel like they're getting a deal, even when they're not.


This is actually a very good point, look at Kohl's, this is the basis of their business model. I bought my kids winter coats in October from Kohl's. Regular price $135, on sale 50% off, I would have never bought them at $135 and I am sure selling them would be much tougher. Did I get a "great deal"... doubtful, but it makes be feel better than spending $135 a pop.
 
2013-11-26 03:11:15 PM  

TomServo24: I don't think this articles tells the whole story.  When I worked retail, I was able to look up the store's cost of items, and for the front page Black Friday deals, most were being sold below cost, particularly electronics where the margins are razor thin to begin with.  The idea being that they are willing to take a real loss on a few items in order to increase traffic into the store to buy other items with more traditional retail markup.


That was my experience too.  My last retail job was part-time at a Circuit City over the holidays, and I the Black Friday prep was mostly, "build lanes surrounded by low-cost, high-markup items that lead towards the sale items we're losing money on".
 
2013-11-26 03:14:43 PM  

The_Time_Master: sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.

What is your time worth, per hour? X

How many hours will you spend in line? Y

How much money are you saving waiting in line? Z

If X times Y is less than Z, then you are doing the smart thing.
If X times Y is greater than Z, then you are wasting time trying to save money. It's your life, it's your time. Your time is the only thing you own.


I have a friend who is a Black Friday shopper. He's also one of those guys who will drive across town to save 0.10/gallon on gas, and don't you try to talk him out of it.
 
2013-11-26 03:17:28 PM  
Wow, it doesn't get anymore obvious than this. Is this still news to ANYONE?

Here is a hint, retailers are not in the business of selling things, they are in the business of making money. If it does not make them money, they won't do it. Just keep that in mind.

Hence TFA is "news" (meaning new info to some), here I'll list few more things retailers do that might be news to you too

- The milk and egg's will be as far away from the door as possible. They want you to "see" as many things as possible before you get to the things that you must buy on a regular basis.

- The 2nd shelf from the bottom is where you will find most of the "kid's stuff". For the simple reason that it is at the eye level for kids, and if they see it, they will start nagging to get it.

- Stuff at the checkout aisle cost way more than stuff just a few feet away.

- the stuff nearest to you will have the earliest expiration date (not necessarily a bad thing).

- That expiration date is a wild guess, things may get worse way before it or be perfectly OK to consume way after it. Use your judgement before throwing anything out, or don't keep eating things even if it tastes funny just because it is still within expiration date.

- Retailers (as well as manufacturers) changes the expiration date on things and put them right back on.

- Expired vanilla ice creams are used to make chocolate ice creams all the time (enough with expiration date)

- If a product is easier for you to find (sitting in the center walkway), retailers are making bigger profit from it.

- If you do not need an item to begin with, buying things off of sale is not a good idea.

/enough with free advice.
 
2013-11-26 03:20:08 PM  
Buy one, get one free is way better than 1/2 price.
 
2013-11-26 03:21:36 PM  

Diogenes: sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.

LOL.  I'd love to have had regular updates showing the deterioration of the situation.

"Day 5:  Food is becoming scarce and moral is at an all time low.  Some are claiming there's talk of cannibalism, but I hope these are just rumors and speculation brought on by hunger, fatigue, cold and lack of sleep.  One fellow shopper has restorted to drinking his own urine.  The customers at the adjoining Barnes & Noble eye us with derision and contempt."


Day 6: All hope is almost lost as the blizzard has moved in and buried most of the waiting crowd.  Please Lord forgive me but I cut open the recently deceased soccer mom from the suburbs and used what was left of her body heat to make it through the night.  She was number 3 in line so I am up to 4 as also number 2 wandered off during the whiteout and is presumed dead.  Through the blinding snow and frost on the Best Buy window I can still see my prize.  I covet the TV and it will soon be mine...all mine...I may even purchase the extended warranty but that could be the hypothermia taking.  I would weep but my tears would be frozen
 
2013-11-26 03:26:34 PM  

JohnCarter: Diogenes: sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.

LOL.  I'd love to have had regular updates showing the deterioration of the situation.

"Day 5:  Food is becoming scarce and moral is at an all time low.  Some are claiming there's talk of cannibalism, but I hope these are just rumors and speculation brought on by hunger, fatigue, cold and lack of sleep.  One fellow shopper has restorted to drinking his own urine.  The customers at the adjoining Barnes & Noble eye us with derision and contempt."

Day 6: All hope is almost lost as the blizzard has moved in and buried most of the waiting crowd.  Please Lord forgive me but I cut open the recently deceased soccer mom from the suburbs and used what was left of her body heat to make it through the night.  She was number 3 in line so I am up to 4 as also number 2 wandered off during the whiteout and is presumed dead.  Through the blinding snow and frost on the Best Buy window I can still see my prize.  I covet the TV and it will soon be mine...all mine...I may even purchase the extended warranty but that could be the hypothermia taking.  I would weep but my tears would be frozen


ROFL.  This would make a most excellent TotalFark Discussion thread.
 
2013-11-26 03:27:58 PM  

thefonz37: TomServo24: I don't think this articles tells the whole story.  When I worked retail, I was able to look up the store's cost of items, and for the front page Black Friday deals, most were being sold below cost, particularly electronics where the margins are razor thin to begin with.  The idea being that they are willing to take a real loss on a few items in order to increase traffic into the store to buy other items with more traditional retail markup.

That was my experience too.  My last retail job was part-time at a Circuit City over the holidays, and I the Black Friday prep was mostly, "build lanes surrounded by low-cost, high-markup items that lead towards the sale items we're losing money on".


Sure, when you look at the suggested wholesale cost. Did your store buy directly from the manufacturer, or did you make an order and it came from your store's distro? Volume buying means deep discounts. Been done in the car biz, (or other commission based retail sales), for forever. There's wholesale the company pays, and another wholesale the company charges their own stores. If a store hires their own manufacturing plant in China and buys their own raw materials it gets even better - quick math question, what's the markup on a woman's top that normally retails for $13.99, when the true cost to manufacture and ship 0.025 cents?
 
2013-11-26 03:31:28 PM  

Ficoce: thefonz37: TomServo24: I don't think this articles tells the whole story.  When I worked retail, I was able to look up the store's cost of items, and for the front page Black Friday deals, most were being sold below cost, particularly electronics where the margins are razor thin to begin with.  The idea being that they are willing to take a real loss on a few items in order to increase traffic into the store to buy other items with more traditional retail markup.

That was my experience too.  My last retail job was part-time at a Circuit City over the holidays, and I the Black Friday prep was mostly, "build lanes surrounded by low-cost, high-markup items that lead towards the sale items we're losing money on".

Sure, when you look at the suggested wholesale cost. Did your store buy directly from the manufacturer, or did you make an order and it came from your store's distro? Volume buying means deep discounts. Been done in the car biz, (or other commission based retail sales), for forever. There's wholesale the company pays, and another wholesale the company charges their own stores. If a store hires their own manufacturing plant in China and buys their own raw materials it gets even better - quick math question, what's the markup on a woman's top that normally retails for $13.99, when the true cost to manufacture and ship 0.025 cents?


That doesn't read right - meant 2.5 cents or $0.025
 
2013-11-26 03:33:27 PM  

JohnCarter: Diogenes: sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.

LOL.  I'd love to have had regular updates showing the deterioration of the situation.

"Day 5:  Food is becoming scarce and moral is at an all time low.  Some are claiming there's talk of cannibalism, but I hope these are just rumors and speculation brought on by hunger, fatigue, cold and lack of sleep.  One fellow shopper has restorted to drinking his own urine.  The customers at the adjoining Barnes & Noble eye us with derision and contempt."

Day 6: All hope is almost lost as the blizzard has moved in and buried most of the waiting crowd.  Please Lord forgive me but I cut open the recently deceased soccer mom from the suburbs and used what was left of her body heat to make it through the night.  She was number 3 in line so I am up to 4 as also number 2 wandered off during the whiteout and is presumed dead.  Through the blinding snow and frost on the Best Buy window I can still see my prize.  I covet the TV and it will soon be mine...all mine...I may even purchase the extended warranty but that could be the hypothermia taking.  I would weep but my tears would be frozen


Day 7: I might be delirious from hunger, but is $25 too much to pay for a hot dog from a food cart?  It tasted fantastic, or at least, it tasted better than my shoe did on day 6.  The extra $3 for mustard was totally worth it.
 
2013-11-26 03:35:11 PM  

JohnCarter: Diogenes: sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.

LOL.  I'd love to have had regular updates showing the deterioration of the situation.

"Day 5:  Food is becoming scarce and moral is at an all time low.  Some are claiming there's talk of cannibalism, but I hope these are just rumors and speculation brought on by hunger, fatigue, cold and lack of sleep.  One fellow shopper has restorted to drinking his own urine.  The customers at the adjoining Barnes & Noble eye us with derision and contempt."

Day 6: All hope is almost lost as the blizzard has moved in and buried most of the waiting crowd.  Please Lord forgive me but I cut open the recently deceased soccer mom from the suburbs and used what was left of her body heat to make it through the night.  She was number 3 in line so I am up to 4 as also number 2 wandered off during the whiteout and is presumed dead.  Through the blinding snow and frost on the Best Buy window I can still see my prize.  I covet the TV and it will soon be mine...all mine...I may even purchase the extended warranty but that could be the hypothermia taking.  I would weep but my tears would be frozen


Day 7: The white rabbit stopped by to talk to me again. He says he will hold my place in line so I can go get coffee from the forest badger, but I don't believe him. He wishes to own my tv. But I will not allow this to pass. I am so cold now. So very cold. I don't know if I am awake any more. I want to sleep but the chocolate cows are keeping me awake with their singing. I think I am getting better. I don't shiver any more. I think I will lay down in the snow and rest....just a little while....Tell Sally I love her...
 
2013-11-26 03:37:24 PM  
Meh. I've waited outside a Best Buy once. Got up early and lined up at 3:30am. By 6:15 am, I drove off with a new desktop PC, monitor, and a printer for $400. Machine had what was a lot of memory for the time (8GB), quad core, 1TB drive, and comparable systems continued to sell for $650 for the next 5 or 6 months, without the monitor or printer.

So, in under three hours, I saved myself probably $350. That's more than I make in three hours, and since I'm salaried, I wasn't missing work to be there.

Not sure how they afforded that one. They were pushing some Geek Squad services, cables, and ink, so maybe that was enough for them if a few people said "yes" to any of that. The only other thing I can think is that HP subsidized the whole thing to sell ink and make some money off their bloatware. This was 3 years ago, and we're still using the PC, and haven't spent a penny on it since (ink or otherwise).

Hate on Black Friday all you want, but there are good deals, and they are not all difficult to get.
 
2013-11-26 03:38:45 PM  

Diogenes: Genju: Diogenes: Genju: Diogenes: But to the point of TFA....

Yeah.  About three weeks ago I went to an outlet center.  "50% of all merchandise!" at one store.  Sounds great, until you see the original sticker price for a fleece jacket was $90.  Are people really that dumb?  Here in Orlando, I swear they've given up on the locals and are just trying to sucker tourists - especially tourists from other countries.

The further you get from OIA (er... MCO) the better.

This is the one kinda sorta where Dolly Parton's Dixie Stampede used to be.  Total tourist area.

I'm trying to remember, but isn't there one about 15 minutes from MCO where all the upper class live? There's a Banana Republic, American Eagle, Armani, etc. It's one giant outdoor mall that is almost impossible to ever find a parking spot.

/always shops after Christmas

Well, that selection of stores doesn't really narrow it down.  But I'm inclined to think you're talking about the ones on the far end of I-Drive.  Near Festival Bay.

But it could also be the ones I'm referring to.  They're not far from me, and I'm right down the B-line from the airport.

Hard to say...parking is impossible regardless of the time year at both locations.  There's more residential area at the one nearer to me.


Yeah I can't remember well. I just remember getting off a main road, all the shops / parking was on the left and the right was just some grass and a chain link fence across a large property.
 
2013-11-26 03:42:16 PM  
Diogenes

Premier Outlets Orlando.
 
2013-11-26 03:45:54 PM  

Genju: Diogenes

Premier Outlets Orlando.


Yep!  That's the one by me.  That large empty property is where Dixie Stampede used to be.  They've expanded the outlets there now and have  Sak's Fifth Avenue over there.

It's been years since I found a truly good deal there.  It was the Bass outlet that 50% off a $90 fleece.  Meh.
 
2013-11-26 03:49:46 PM  

sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.


Four days plus $159. For me that's about a $1000 TV at that point and that's only counting the missed work.
 
2013-11-26 03:50:36 PM  

Diogenes: Genju: Diogenes

Premier Outlets Orlando.

Yep!  That's the one by me.  That large empty property is where Dixie Stampede used to be.  They've expanded the outlets there now and have  Sak's Fifth Avenue over there.

It's been years since I found a truly good deal there.  It was the Bass outlet that 50% off a $90 fleece.  Meh.


Banana Republic had some good clearance stuff on plain (many different color choices) short sleeve T's for like 3 for $15 or something like that. American Eagle had some good jean deals. Those jeans have lasted me 2 years without a hole or anything unlike Levis or Arizona. But places like Armani (Exchange too) all were overpriced crap as far as more casual wear. Aldo shoes had some great deals but their selection left over were too narrow for my feet :(

I'll probably go again in January.
 
2013-11-26 03:52:03 PM  

Ponzholio: I don't think I've ever purchased anything from Kohl's without the 30% off coupon AND Kohl's cash. I know full well it's a marketing gimmick but I'll be damned if I don't leave that place without some sort of self-accomplishment.


JC Penny's last year tried to bring sanity to this by saying "you know what? our sales and coupons are bullshiat, let's just lower the everyday prices and stop all this nonsense"

they got SLAUGHTERED by stupid consumers  who were angry they'd "raised prices" by discontinuing all those coupons

Similarly Wal-Mart generally doesn't have the lowest prices on things, except for 200 core items they know everybody generally knows the price of and certain electronics that are easy to compare across stores (though the model made for Wal-mart uses inferior components typically).  They do this to make you THINK they are cheaper than other places on everything

and for all my holier than though attitude I'm guilty of this too.  Used to feel like a failure if the "you saved" line on my grocery recipet wasn;t at least as much as the "you spent" one.

But then I joined Costco for other reasons and started shopping there and noticed my overall grocery bill was MUCH lower even though I wasn;t leveraging every coupon sale and markdown sticker like a madman.   (course now there is a "grocery outlet" near me where I can pick up $4/box  organic oatmeal for 3 boxes/$1 and wheels of $15/lb cheese for $1.99/lb and 4/$1 four packs of Greek Yogurt) the sickness is back a little)
 
2013-11-26 03:56:14 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Diogenes

sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.

LOL. I'd love to have had regular updates showing the deterioration of the situation.

"Day 5: Food is becoming scarce and moral is at an all time low. Some are claiming there's talk of cannibalism, but I hope these are just rumors and speculation brought on by hunger, fatigue, cold and lack of sleep. One fellow shopper has restorted to drinking his own urine. The customers at the adjoining Barnes & Noble eye us with derision and contempt."


Day 12 sigdiamond200 dies of dysentery.


ROFL should have hired a ferry instead of trying to ford the river.
 
2013-11-26 03:59:24 PM  

tcaptain: The worst example of this was last year when Zellers (in the US, KMart would be a close approximation) went out of business up here in Canuckistan.  The "Final Liquidation - Everything MUST go!  Up to 90% off" signs went up a week before the cut off day.

My office was right next to a location so it was fairly easy to check out.  I used to like their "Hunt Club" Khakis, I had bought some reasonably recently and knew their prices went from 34.99 regular to around 20 bucks on sale.

The liquidation price?  69.99!!!!  The regular price was marked at 187 dollars.   I can tell you Zellers has NEVER farkin sold a pair of pants for almost 200 bucks.

It was insane, even the video games...nothing less than 20 bucks with "regular" prices in excess of 80 to 90 dollars.

How they go away with this shiat I will never know.


I've been to a few going out of business sales and observed tr same thing. They hire an outside company to come in and operate the sale. All the good stuff has been sold or relocated before the sale starts and the "regular" prices are highly inflated.
 
2013-11-26 04:02:20 PM  
When I was a kid I worked in Woolworths (UK version, it was like Target). Every staff member's employment agreement stated we had to work Christmas Eve for a few hours after closing, which was also pointed out by the interviewer when you went for the job. I always wondered why, until Dec 24.

I turned up to find the stockroom was literally filled with newly delivered crates for sale merchandise stamped with a massive label "Do not sell until Dec 26". Pretty much every box was filled with cheap crap. The staff had four hours to basically empty the entire shop floor and re-stack the shelves with the "Sale Stock" so we could reopen on Boxing Day ready for "The Sale".
 
2013-11-26 04:07:34 PM  
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2013-11-26 04:15:32 PM  

umad: jclaggett: born_yesterday: Ponzholio: I don't think I've ever purchased anything from Kohl's without the 30% off coupon AND Kohl's cash. I know full well it's a marketing gimmick but I'll be damned if I don't leave that place without some sort of self-accomplishment.

Bed Bath and Beyond doesn't do cash AFAIK, but their 20% off coupon is a necessity as well.  It's the cheapest place I've found to buy razor blades, believe it or not, if I have one of those coupons.

/Please tell me if you know of a place to get inexpensive Mach 3 blades

Try FastTech

And ditch the Mach 3 for a fusion. It is sooooo much better.


Seconded.
 
2013-11-26 04:20:20 PM  
Pricing is so much more complicated than that article portrays, it's barely reflective of reality.
 
2013-11-26 04:22:28 PM  
Fano:
 umad:
  jclaggett:
  /Please tell me if you know of a place to get inexpensive Mach 3 blades
 And ditch the Mach 3 for a fusion. It is sooooo much better.
Seconded.


I stopped using cartridge razors a long time ago. Wet shaves / straightedge blade leaves my face feeling better, shaved better, and by the way: good blades are much, much less expensive.
 
2013-11-26 04:22:46 PM  

dryknife: Buy one, get one free is way better than 1/2 price.


I would much rather buy two, get one free because three is more than two
 
2013-11-26 04:29:21 PM  
In electronics, the most "amazing" Black Friday deals, such as TVs and tablets for under $100, are horrible, cheap Chinese knock-offs that you can buy any day of the year online for the same price if you're willing to wait for them to ship from China.

But people line up and act like animals to get cheap crap like this:

cdn-static.zdnet.com
i.stack.imgur.com
androizing.com
image.dhgate.com


And let me remind you: RCA and Magnavox don't make TVs anymore... They buy cheap Chinese crap and slap their name on it. Same goes for Westinghouse, Mathis, Element, and most store brands like Insignia and Hisense (Walmart store brand). They're generally going to be crappy.

When it comes to tablets, stick with these brands:
Samsung
Microsoft
Apple
ASUS
Acer
Kindle
Nook
MEEP! (for kids)
HP
Lenovo
Google (Nexus)

And avoid everything else because it's probably cheap crap with a poor CPU, unresponsive screen, and fidgety touch controls.

As for TVs, stick with:
Samsung
Sony
Sharp
LG
Vizio

And that's it, unless you confirm that a particular model is really LG or Vizio (such as Zenith, which is Vizio). And let me point out that Vizio, while not completely bad, is definitely not going to be as nice as a Samsung, Sony, Sharp, or even most LGs.

If the store is selling an Element, Seiki, Westinghouse, or RCA TV for cheap, there's a reason for it: It IS cheap. It WILL die a lot sooner than the competition. With TVs you really do get what you pay for.
 
2013-11-26 04:29:23 PM  

Diogenes: But to the point of TFA....

Yeah.  About three weeks ago I went to an outlet center.  "50% of all merchandise!" at one store.  Sounds great, until you see the original sticker price for a fleece jacket was $90.  Are people really that dumb?  Here in Orlando, I swear they've given up on the locals and are just trying to sucker tourists - especially tourists from other countries.


Yes, yes they are.

I used to work at a retail sporting goods store. We sold NHL Jerseys for $150 retail, but there was a 50-week sale on them every year for $89.99. Then the other 2 weeks we'd have a 25% off sale on them, which we would advertise the hell out of. People would flock into the store and plop down $112.50 for the jerseys that sell for $22.50 less the rest of the year. And a sizable portion of these people would remark to me, as I was ringing them out, "Wow! I can't believe what a good deal I'm getting on these! They're normally $150!!".

I wanted to strangle them.


The important lesson I learned from that experience was to always follow prices for an item for at least a month before buying it.
 
2013-11-26 04:38:31 PM  

James10952001: tcaptain: The worst example of this was last year when Zellers (in the US, KMart would be a close approximation) went out of business up here in Canuckistan.  The "Final Liquidation - Everything MUST go!  Up to 90% off" signs went up a week before the cut off day.

My office was right next to a location so it was fairly easy to check out.  I used to like their "Hunt Club" Khakis, I had bought some reasonably recently and knew their prices went from 34.99 regular to around 20 bucks on sale.

The liquidation price?  69.99!!!!  The regular price was marked at 187 dollars.   I can tell you Zellers has NEVER farkin sold a pair of pants for almost 200 bucks.

It was insane, even the video games...nothing less than 20 bucks with "regular" prices in excess of 80 to 90 dollars.

How they go away with this shiat I will never know.

I've been to a few going out of business sales and observed tr same thing. They hire an outside company to come in and operate the sale. All the good stuff has been sold or relocated before the sale starts and the "regular" prices are highly inflated.


It's illegal to mark something up beyond what you've ever sold it for  and then put it on" sale" and advertise the sale price as X% OFF!

However companies get around this by when they are going out of business, selling their ENTIRE inventory, including the rights to use their name to a "liquidation" company.   Since the company managing the going out of business sale is technically a new company, they can set whatever "regular" price they want, an then advertise steep markdowns from there (anybody who went into Circuit City or Borders in the last days of their existence saw this in action).  It's a complete scam but it works on way too many people
 
2013-11-26 04:39:14 PM  

ZeroCorpse: As for TVs, stick with:
Samsung
Sony
Sharp
LG
Vizio

And that's it, unless you confirm that a particular model is really LG or Vizio (such as Zenith, which is Vizio). And let me point out that Vizio, while not completely bad, is definitely not going to be as nice as a Samsung, Sony, Sharp, or even most LGs.


No love for Panasonic?
 
2013-11-26 04:44:50 PM  

Genju: Premier Outlets Orlando.


You shop at POO?  Sounds kind of shiatty.
 
2013-11-26 04:58:41 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: Genju: Premier Outlets Orlando.

You shop at POO?  Sounds kind of shiatty.


Yeah. There every day is a new day.
 
2013-11-26 04:59:17 PM  

Magorn: James10952001: tcaptain: The worst example of this was last year when Zellers (in the US, KMart would be a close approximation) went out of business up here in Canuckistan.  The "Final Liquidation - Everything MUST go!  Up to 90% off" signs went up a week before the cut off day.

My office was right next to a location so it was fairly easy to check out.  I used to like their "Hunt Club" Khakis, I had bought some reasonably recently and knew their prices went from 34.99 regular to around 20 bucks on sale.

The liquidation price?  69.99!!!!  The regular price was marked at 187 dollars.   I can tell you Zellers has NEVER farkin sold a pair of pants for almost 200 bucks.

It was insane, even the video games...nothing less than 20 bucks with "regular" prices in excess of 80 to 90 dollars.

How they go away with this shiat I will never know.

I've been to a few going out of business sales and observed tr same thing. They hire an outside company to come in and operate the sale. All the good stuff has been sold or relocated before the sale starts and the "regular" prices are highly inflated.

It's illegal to mark something up beyond what you've ever sold it for  and then put it on" sale" and advertise the sale price as X% OFF!

However companies get around this by when they are going out of business, selling their ENTIRE inventory, including the rights to use their name to a "liquidation" company.   Since the company managing the going out of business sale is technically a new company, they can set whatever "regular" price they want, an then advertise steep markdowns from there (anybody who went into Circuit City or Borders in the last days of their existence saw this in action).  It's a complete scam but it works on way too many people


Wife and I happened to be shopping for a TV when Circuit City was in the process of closing shop.

The prices were absofarkinglutely marked up. One of the kids working there told us if we were looking to buy a tv, it would be better to buy it elsewhere.
 
2013-11-26 04:59:18 PM  
Wish I could delete that last comment. I read it as "POD" for some reason.
 
2013-11-26 05:09:09 PM  

sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.


I'll pay you 50 dollars to stop reading your post right now; please forward your paypal info.
 
2013-11-26 05:10:16 PM  

sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.


I paid $279 for a Zenith (Vizio) 50" a little over a year ago. I didn't even have to wait in line. Still works fine. Looks good. It's a nice enough TV.

So yeah, you're getting ripped off. $159 for a 35" (really? 35"? How odd.) middle-of-the-line TV is actually kind of a crap price. You just don't know how to shop properly.

Unless you're being facetious, in which case, well done.
 
2013-11-26 05:20:39 PM  

tcaptain: The worst example of this was last year when Zellers (in the US, KMart would be a close approximation) went out of business up here in Canuckistan.  The "Final Liquidation - Everything MUST go!  Up to 90% off" signs went up a week before the cut off day.

My office was right next to a location so it was fairly easy to check out.  I used to like their "Hunt Club" Khakis, I had bought some reasonably recently and knew their prices went from 34.99 regular to around 20 bucks on sale.

The liquidation price?  69.99!!!!  The regular price was marked at 187 dollars.   I can tell you Zellers has NEVER farkin sold a pair of pants for almost 200 bucks.

It was insane, even the video games...nothing less than 20 bucks with "regular" prices in excess of 80 to 90 dollars.

How they go away with this shiat I will never know.


There's an entire liquidation industry out there. I walked into a furniture store going through its death throes, and beheld a $679 end table.

Marked down from $849.

Liquidators are douchenozzles.
 
2013-11-26 05:20:46 PM  

Tyrone Biggums: ZeroCorpse: As for TVs, stick with:
Samsung
Sony
Sharp
LG
Vizio

And that's it, unless you confirm that a particular model is really LG or Vizio (such as Zenith, which is Vizio). And let me point out that Vizio, while not completely bad, is definitely not going to be as nice as a Samsung, Sony, Sharp, or even most LGs.

No love for Panasonic?


They're not terrible; They at least make their own TVs (as well as making them for JVC, Fujitsu, and Toshiba). Same with Hitachi/Fuji (jointly owned factories), Phillips, and a few others.

Let me amend, then, to name companies who are known to make their own TVs, or at least most parts of their own TVs:

NEC / Pioneer
Panasonic
Samsung
Sony
Hitachi
LG / Zenith (I misspoke above. Zenith is not Vizio, they're LG)
Philips

Note that some of them, like Sony, don't make panels but do make all the other components. Sony uses Fijitsu/Hitachi or NEC panels, but their own electronics.

Also note that I was slightly wrong about Sharp. They're sliding away from making their own and instead doing a lot of re-branding of Pioneer/NEC TVs. RCA is also NEC, but it's often older models and the crappier, cheaper stuff.

One other thing: Don't ever be stupid enough to buy an HDTV with a built-in DVD player. It adds weight and heat, and they almost always fail within a year.
 
2013-11-26 05:23:41 PM  

blindio: JohnCarter: Diogenes: sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.

LOL.  I'd love to have had regular updates showing the deterioration of the situation.

"Day 5:  Food is becoming scarce and moral is at an all time low.  Some are claiming there's talk of cannibalism, but I hope these are just rumors and speculation brought on by hunger, fatigue, cold and lack of sleep.  One fellow shopper has restorted to drinking his own urine.  The customers at the adjoining Barnes & Noble eye us with derision and contempt."

Day 6: All hope is almost lost as the blizzard has moved in and buried most of the waiting crowd.  Please Lord forgive me but I cut open the recently deceased soccer mom from the suburbs and used what was left of her body heat to make it through the night.  She was number 3 in line so I am up to 4 as also number 2 wandered off during the whiteout and is presumed dead.  Through the blinding snow and frost on the Best Buy window I can still see my prize.  I covet the TV and it will soon be mine...all mine...I may even purchase the extended warranty but that could be the hypothermia taking.  I would weep but my tears would be frozen

Day 7: I might be delirious from hunger, but is $25 too much to pay for a hot dog from a food cart?  It tasted fantastic, or at least, it tasted better than my shoe did on day 6.  The extra $3 for mustard was totally worth it.


Day 8: Fever gone but itchy. Hungry and eat doggy food. Itchy Itchy Scott came. Ugly face so killed him. Tasty.
 
2013-11-26 05:27:44 PM  

James10952001: Four days plus $159. For me that's about a $1000 TV at that point and that's only counting the missed work.


Bob Porter: Looks like you've been missing a lot of work lately.
Peter Gibbons: I wouldn't say I've been *missing* it, Bob.

The one thing about camping out for hours is the assumption that you COULD be working...if you are unemployee or not scheduled that day or used a vacation day, then it factors into the X*Y>Z calculation and makes it more viable to camp out/ opportunity cost of coconuts and all.
 
2013-11-26 05:33:20 PM  
MythDragon:
Day 7: The white rabbit stopped by to talk to me again. He says he will hold my place in line so I can go get coffee from the forest badger, but I don't believe him. He wishes to own my tv. But I will not allow this to pass. I am so cold now. So very cold. I don't know if I am awake any more. I want to sleep but the chocolate cows are keepi ...

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2013-11-26 05:36:47 PM  
Uhm, I don't recall anybody ever being forced to buy anything in this country (except health insurance, of course).

If the price is too high, then don't FARKing buy it, Einstein.
 
2013-11-26 05:44:42 PM  

MithrandirBooga: The important lesson I learned from that experience was to always follow prices for an item for at least a month before buying it.


Or, in lieu of the whole month-long thing, you ask yourself the question...is this item worth the price? If it is, then buy it. If it is not, then don't buy it.
 
2013-11-26 05:45:06 PM  
If it weren't for Thanksgiving, the Coby company (makers of electronic dogsh*t) would have went out of business decades ago.

salestores.com
 
2013-11-26 05:46:59 PM  

ryant123: blindio: JohnCarter: Diogenes: sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.

LOL.  I'd love to have had regular updates showing the deterioration of the situation.

"Day 5:  Food is becoming scarce and moral is at an all time low.  Some are claiming there's talk of cannibalism, but I hope these are just rumors and speculation brought on by hunger, fatigue, cold and lack of sleep.  One fellow shopper has restorted to drinking his own urine.  The customers at the adjoining Barnes & Noble eye us with derision and contempt."

Day 6: All hope is almost lost as the blizzard has moved in and buried most of the waiting crowd.  Please Lord forgive me but I cut open the recently deceased soccer mom from the suburbs and used what was left of her body heat to make it through the night.  She was number 3 in line so I am up to 4 as also number 2 wandered off during the whiteout and is presumed dead.  Through the blinding snow and frost on the Best Buy window I can still see my prize.  I covet the TV and it will soon be mine...all mine...I may even purchase the extended warranty but that could be the hypothermia taking.  I would weep but my tears would be frozen

Day 7: I might be delirious from hunger, but is $25 too much to pay for a hot dog from a food cart?  It tasted fantastic, or at least, it tasted better than my shoe did on day 6.  The extra $3 for mustard was totally worth it.

Day 8: Fever gone but itchy. Hungry and eat doggy food. Itchy Itchy Scott came. Ugly face so killed him. ...


Day 9: Absinthe wearing off. Apparently the sale was on day 2... Forgot name and location of car. Cops and store manager still keeping distance..
 
2013-11-26 05:48:48 PM  

sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.


Assuming you're not full of it, I am so waiting to see what you have to say on Saturday when you find out that you've been had.
 
2013-11-26 05:51:21 PM  

SevenizGud: MithrandirBooga: The important lesson I learned from that experience was to always follow prices for an item for at least a month before buying it.

Or, in lieu of the whole month-long thing, you ask yourself the question...is this item worth the price? If it is, then buy it. If it is not, then don't buy it.


I don't care if it's worth twice the price if I can get it for less by waiting a bit or shopping around. As long as the savings outweigh the effort I'll usually do it. It's not like shopping around is difficult in the Internet age.
 
2013-11-26 05:52:44 PM  

under a mountain: [obama.net image 620x392]

Can't wait


Nice rack.
 
2013-11-26 05:54:38 PM  

phamwaa: tcaptain: The worst example of this was last year when Zellers (in the US, KMart would be a close approximation) went out of business up here in Canuckistan.  The "Final Liquidation - Everything MUST go!  Up to 90% off" signs went up a week before the cut off day.

My office was right next to a location so it was fairly easy to check out.  I used to like their "Hunt Club" Khakis, I had bought some reasonably recently and knew their prices went from 34.99 regular to around 20 bucks on sale.

The liquidation price?  69.99!!!!  The regular price was marked at 187 dollars.   I can tell you Zellers has NEVER farkin sold a pair of pants for almost 200 bucks.

It was insane, even the video games...nothing less than 20 bucks with "regular" prices in excess of 80 to 90 dollars.

How they go away with this shiat I will never know.

There's an entire liquidation industry out there. I walked into a furniture store going through its death throes, and beheld a $679 end table.

Marked down from $849.

Liquidators are douchenozzles.


They're the template on which eBay flippers/scalpers base their entire world-view.
 
2013-11-26 05:54:43 PM  

MythDragon: JohnCarter: Diogenes: sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.

LOL.  I'd love to have had regular updates showing the deterioration of the situation.

"Day 5:  Food is becoming scarce and moral is at an all time low.  Some are claiming there's talk of cannibalism, but I hope these are just rumors and speculation brought on by hunger, fatigue, cold and lack of sleep.  One fellow shopper has restorted to drinking his own urine.  The customers at the adjoining Barnes & Noble eye us with derision and contempt."

Day 6: All hope is almost lost as the blizzard has moved in and buried most of the waiting crowd.  Please Lord forgive me but I cut open the recently deceased soccer mom from the suburbs and used what was left of her body heat to make it through the night.  She was number 3 in line so I am up to 4 as also number 2 wandered off during the whiteout and is presumed dead.  Through the blinding snow and frost on the Best Buy window I can still see my prize.  I covet the TV and it will soon be mine...all mine...I may even purchase the extended warranty but that could be the hypothermia taking.  I would weep but my tears would be frozen

Day 7: The white rabbit stopped by to talk to me again. He says he will hold my place in line so I can go get coffee from the forest badger, but I don't believe him. He wishes to own my tv. But I will not allow this to pass. I am so cold now. So very cold. I don't know if I am awake any more. I want to sleep but the chocolate cows are keepi ...


Day 8

Rosebud........
 
2013-11-26 05:56:14 PM  

James10952001: SevenizGud: MithrandirBooga: The important lesson I learned from that experience was to always follow prices for an item for at least a month before buying it.

Or, in lieu of the whole month-long thing, you ask yourself the question...is this item worth the price? If it is, then buy it. If it is not, then don't buy it.

I don't care if it's worth twice the price if I can get it for less by waiting a bit or shopping around. As long as the savings outweigh the effort I'll usually do it. It's not like shopping around is difficult in the Internet age.


Oh, so the notion of waiting a bit or shopping around for a better price AND buying the one at half its value and reselling it for a profit in the interim never really factored into the decision-making process, eh? Mmmkay.
 
2013-11-26 05:56:53 PM  
This thread has been amazing.

I know this is going to sound like Aunt Murtle's Facebook Status Update, but I'm getting farking sick of things being labelled as "Pre-Black Friday Sales." There's no such thing as Pre-Friday. It's farkin' Tuesday.
 
2013-11-26 05:57:11 PM  

TV's Vinnie: If it weren't for Thanksgiving, the Coby company (makers of electronic dogsh*t) would have went out of business decades ago.

[salestores.com image 483x400]


HAHAHA!  So true.

If you ever see a Coby HDTV, run away. Do not buy it. Not if it's $50. Not if it's $25. Do not buy it. It WILL fail within a year. It will probably fail within 90 days. It will also be made from components scraped out of dumpsters five years ago.

Actually, that goes for everything Coby makes.
 
2013-11-26 06:02:16 PM  

SevenizGud: James10952001: SevenizGud: MithrandirBooga: The important lesson I learned from that experience was to always follow prices for an item for at least a month before buying it.

Or, in lieu of the whole month-long thing, you ask yourself the question...is this item worth the price? If it is, then buy it. If it is not, then don't buy it.

I don't care if it's worth twice the price if I can get it for less by waiting a bit or shopping around. As long as the savings outweigh the effort I'll usually do it. It's not like shopping around is difficult in the Internet age.

Oh, so the notion of waiting a bit or shopping around for a better price AND buying the one at half its value and reselling it for a profit in the interim never really factored into the decision-making process, eh? Mmmkay.


Not really. I have a day job for income. I don't have the time or interest to deal with flipping shiat for profit. There is always risk, the hassle of finding and dealing with buyers, it's just not worth the effort. I have enough "stuff" at this point that when I go looking for something to buy, I usually have something very specific in mind. I do the research, read reviews, then shop around for the best price.
 
2013-11-26 07:23:12 PM  

thefonz37: TomServo24: I don't think this articles tells the whole story.  When I worked retail, I was able to look up the store's cost of items, and for the front page Black Friday deals, most were being sold below cost, particularly electronics where the margins are razor thin to begin with.  The idea being that they are willing to take a real loss on a few items in order to increase traffic into the store to buy other items with more traditional retail markup.

That was my experience too.  My last retail job was part-time at a Circuit City over the holidays, and I the Black Friday prep was mostly, "build lanes surrounded by low-cost, high-markup items that lead towards the sale items we're losing money on".


It's called a "loss leader" and retailers have been doing it for as long as there have been retailers.
 
2013-11-26 08:06:46 PM  

TV's Vinnie: If it weren't for Thanksgiving, the Coby company (makers of electronic dogsh*t) would have went out of business decades ago.

[salestores.com image 483x400]


Coby actually filed for bankruptcy and closed up this past summer. But it's alright, I think we still have Craig and jwin and a bunch of others still kicking around.

As for Black Friday items, the only thing I'm really looking at is the 39" Insignia TV at Best Buy for a bedroom. I have a Samsung in my main room, but I have no qualms about buying a 'no-name' brand for the others. Usually the speakers suck ass, but nothing an old pair of PC speakers won't fix. Hey, the TV in my bedroom is over a year old now without problems. There isn't even a brand printed on the front of the TV (was made by some fly-by night company, Hetiker or something, which no longer looks to be in business).
If you want cheap, disposable 'crap', Black Friday is great. Otherwise, you can probably get that same item another time of the year for a similar price.
 
2013-11-26 08:38:53 PM  

mayIFark: - Expired vanilla ice creams are used to make chocolate ice creams all the time (enough with expiration date)


Most of what you said seems to make sense. This one does not, at all.
 
2013-11-26 08:58:51 PM  
Has anyone ever compared prices on Black Friday -- includes the promotions for the first 100 shoppers -- to what they are a week or so later?

My theory is that while prices go up the next day, within a few weeks they're back down.
 
2013-11-26 09:56:16 PM  

ryant123: blindio: JohnCarter: Diogenes: sigdiamond2000: I'm typing this from outside of a Best Buy in Ashtabula, Ohio, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I've been camped out here for four days now, singing songs and breaking bread with my fellow Black Friday Rangers. There's a sense of comraderie and fellowship on this sidewalk that I don't expect you cynics to understand.

I'm 6th in line, so I'm pretty much gauranteed a 35" Vizio 750p flat screen for $159. That's a great price for a great product and if you don;t think it's worth it, you need to get over yourselves.

LOL.  I'd love to have had regular updates showing the deterioration of the situation.

"Day 5:  Food is becoming scarce and moral is at an all time low.  Some are claiming there's talk of cannibalism, but I hope these are just rumors and speculation brought on by hunger, fatigue, cold and lack of sleep.  One fellow shopper has restorted to drinking his own urine.  The customers at the adjoining Barnes & Noble eye us with derision and contempt."

Day 6: All hope is almost lost as the blizzard has moved in and buried most of the waiting crowd.  Please Lord forgive me but I cut open the recently deceased soccer mom from the suburbs and used what was left of her body heat to make it through the night.  She was number 3 in line so I am up to 4 as also number 2 wandered off during the whiteout and is presumed dead.  Through the blinding snow and frost on the Best Buy window I can still see my prize.  I covet the TV and it will soon be mine...all mine...I may even purchase the extended warranty but that could be the hypothermia taking.  I would weep but my tears would be frozen

Day 7: I might be delirious from hunger, but is $25 too much to pay for a hot dog from a food cart?  It tasted fantastic, or at least, it tasted better than my shoe did on day 6.  The extra $3 for mustard was totally worth it.

Day 8: Fever gone but itchy. Hungry and eat doggy food. Itchy Itchy Scott came. Ugly face so killed him. Tasty.


September 27th, daylight. The masters have overtaken the city. Somehow, I'm still alive.....
 
2013-11-26 10:24:11 PM  

MBZ321: TV's Vinnie: If it weren't for Thanksgiving, the Coby company (makers of electronic dogsh*t) would have went out of business decades ago.

[salestores.com image 483x400]

Coby actually filed for bankruptcy and closed up this past summer. But it's alright, I think we still have Craig and jwin and a bunch of others still kicking around.

As for Black Friday items, the only thing I'm really looking at is the 39" Insignia TV at Best Buy for a bedroom. I have a Samsung in my main room, but I have no qualms about buying a 'no-name' brand for the others. Usually the speakers suck ass, but nothing an old pair of PC speakers won't fix. Hey, the TV in my bedroom is over a year old now without problems. There isn't even a brand printed on the front of the TV (was made by some fly-by night company, Hetiker or something, which no longer looks to be in business).
If you want cheap, disposable 'crap', Black Friday is great. Otherwise, you can probably get that same item another time of the year for a similar price.


We have a lot of different brands of TV at work for product testing. Most of them, even the no-name junk holds up fine and those that failed I've been able to fix by replacing capacitors in the power supply section.

A lot of them have buggy flaky user interfaces though and HDMI handshaking is problematic on some of them.

*shrug* The actual components are mostly commodity parts these days and everything is highly integrated. There are only so many corners manufactures can cut.
 
2013-11-26 10:26:16 PM  

Tobin_Lam: mayIFark: - Expired vanilla ice creams are used to make chocolate ice creams all the time (enough with expiration date)

Most of what you said seems to make sense. This one does not, at all.


Not so much expired, but batches that don't come out quite right. It's recycled at the factory, I've never hear of stores returning expired stuff.
 
2013-11-27 08:51:32 AM  

born_yesterday: tcaptain: The worst example of this was last year when Zellers (in the US, KMart would be a close approximation) went out of business up here in Canuckistan. The "Final Liquidation - Everything MUST go! Up to 90% off" signs went up a week before the cut off day.

There is a furniture store here in Frederick -Routzahn's- that has been going out of business for the last seven years.


As a Fredericktonian, I cannot wait for someone else to build something there. That building is a monstrosity and the owners are embarrassing.
 
2013-11-27 09:35:04 AM  

thornhill: Has anyone ever compared prices on Black Friday -- includes the promotions for the first 100 shoppers -- to what they are a week or so later?

My theory is that while prices go up the next day, within a few weeks they're back down.


Maybe I'm wrong, but my experience has been that good amount of the deals offered on Black Friday are inferior items/models that the store doesn't normally carry and orders specifically for Black Friday in limited quantities.  I'm sure there are exceptions, but in my bygone Circuit City experience most of the laptops and TVs we sold on Black Friday were off-brand garbage you couldn't get in the store on the other 364 days of the year.
 
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