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(WTKR)   Boy killed in tornado last May shows up in recent photo. I'm not saying it's a ghost, but, it's a ghost   (wtkr.com) divider line 35
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2013-11-26 01:05:35 PM  
6 votes:
Long exposures and moving bright light sources, how do they work?
2013-11-26 02:57:27 PM  
4 votes:
My son died in March of this year. It is unbearable and good for this father for finding something to get him through another day. I can tell the "grieving process" discussed upthread is by someone that has never lost a child. There are no processes, especially around the holidays for a parent that will be going through their first Thanksgiving and Christmas without their child.
2013-11-26 12:25:01 PM  
4 votes:
That's according to a report from Fox4KC.com via The Daily Mail.

I'm not saying it's the Daily Fail, but it's the Daily Fail.
2013-11-26 04:03:38 PM  
3 votes:

kg2095: Even though I've had an inexplicable experience I don't believe or disbelieve in ghosts. There is no solid evidence to support either position.


nekom: DCBuck: That "they" can't prove ghosts exist, does not conclusively establish that they do not exist

And nothing can prove that.  However, the lack of any compelling evidence of their existence is quite enough for me to dismiss it as unlikely.  However, a ration mind is always willing to be proven wrong.  Do I think ghosts exist?  Absolutely not.  Would I change my opinion if shown concrete proof that they do?  Of course.


This line of argument demonstrates the interesting logical fallacy that "believers" have used for aeons.

The fact that, in all of our civilizaton's existence, there has NEVER even ONCE been a single shred of proof of the existence of anything supernatural is, in and of itself, extremely compelling evidence that the supernatural is an invention of our own imaginations.  It's a popular saying that "the absence of evidence is not evidence", however that's far too generalized.  The complete absence of anything beyond conjecture, guessing and wishful thinking is, indeed, strong evidence against the possibility of paranormal phenomena.  I can't "prove" to you that human babies have NEVER been delivered by a stork, but you cannot in turn say that you're entitled to logically suggest it as a realistic possibility just because you raise it.

Saying there's "no proof ghosts DON'T exist" is akin to saying "there's no proof a stork never brought a baby".  You can't, in this case, disprove the negative.  However, the complete and utter lack of evidence is certainly grounds to discount the idea as pure fantasy.  Probability, common-sense, and a lack of anything to suggest otherwise are VERY strong evidence, indeed, in favour of the skeptics' point of view.
2013-11-26 02:34:33 PM  
3 votes:
Her left arm is blurry as if it's been moving while the picture was taken.  The blur is above her "real" arm in the photo, and looks like an arm.

Her head is blurry as if it's been moving while the picture was taken.   The blur is above her "real" head in the photo, and looks like a head.


...but GHOSTS!!
2013-11-26 02:24:39 PM  
3 votes:
I'm not saying it's double exposed film, but it's double exposed film.
2013-11-26 12:54:17 PM  
3 votes:

Babwa Wawa: I can't fathom the death of either of my children.  I expect I'd crack as well.


Yeah, this.  If he feels some comfort in this somehow, good for him.  The rest of us are all well aware that this is nothing but a photography artifact.
2013-11-26 03:46:14 PM  
2 votes:

DCBuck: That "they" can't prove ghosts exist, does not conclusively establish that they do not exist


And nothing can prove that.  However, the lack of any compelling evidence of their existence is quite enough for me to dismiss it as unlikely.  However, a ration mind is always willing to be proven wrong.  Do I think ghosts exist?  Absolutely not.  Would I change my opinion if shown concrete proof that they do?  Of course.
2013-11-26 02:58:11 PM  
2 votes:
This is pretty cool: obvious proof that spirits walk among us.  The proof is that the second head is completely different than the girl's: no glasses, different hairlines, different skin tone, the neck line of the shirt is different. There is no way the girl could have moved in a way that created a second head without also creating a second image of her body. The girl's body doesn't move at all.  It is obviously not a "double exposure".

It is also interesting to note that the ghost shows up in the picture of a child.  Ghosts frequently cluster near children as they are more open minded to the spirit world and haven't had what is "real" pounded into their heads for decades.

Unlike you twats.
2013-11-26 02:39:50 PM  
2 votes:

mbillips: Like everyone else who has "seen" a ghost, the father is deluded, mistaken or a liar.


This.  All of those "medium" shows do nothing but perpetuate groundless superstition, irrationality, and base emotionalism by giving false hope to desperate people.

There are 4 things that don't exists that the Human race seriously need to come to grips with:
-Magic
-Ghosts
-Psychics
-Deities

A belief in the supernatural is a sign of our lingering psychological infancy.
2013-11-26 02:30:53 PM  
2 votes:

Walker: How stupid are people these days?


Do you really want to tug at that thread?
2013-11-26 02:29:17 PM  
2 votes:
Jesus Christ the girl is holding a sparkler and moving it up and down. There are even 2 of her in the picture. Is it a ghost of her too even though she's alive? How stupid are people these days?
2013-11-26 02:22:42 PM  
2 votes:
Know how I know it's not a ghost? Ghosts don't exist, dumbasses!
2013-11-26 01:17:21 PM  
2 votes:

SurfaceTension: I've never understood this line of thinking. The grieving process is the grieving process, and the sooner we face it the better off we'll be emotionally. Allowing for people to find comfort in make believe is selfish on our parts because we see pain in the other person and want it to stop. It makes US, the observer, feel better. But really, the only thing that will make it end is going through the grieving process, and "finding comfort" tends to delay that.


Well, I've never really understood your line of thinking.  What is the right thing to do here, according to you?  Verbally biatchslap him for indulging in the fantasy that his son exists in an afterlife?  How do you deal with religious people?

People construct fantasies to deal with grief and depression all the time.  I fail to see the harm in the fantasy itself, as long as there is no definitive action taken on it.
2013-11-26 01:07:44 PM  
2 votes:
In the meantime, his niece has clearly turned into Gollum
2013-11-26 12:44:04 PM  
2 votes:
I can't fathom the death of either of my children.  I expect I'd crack as well.
2013-11-26 06:23:55 PM  
1 votes:
Listening to the radio, and TSN says this deals does, indeed, mean the end of its Regional deals after this season. Anyone who relies on regional TSN content like Jets fans are out of luck.Put a fork in it, folks. TSN's days of NHL broadcasting are over in 7 months.
2013-11-26 05:59:00 PM  
1 votes:

kg2095: I have had a couple of odd experiences. I don't know what they were but it's left me with an open mind ...


I think you'll find most skeptics have an open mind as well, but "I swear I saw it" isn't enough evidence to convince any jury.  Find some experimentally verifiable proof that something paranormal exists, and I can assure you scientists won't accuse you of a witch and burn you.  They will, however admit that they were wrong and shift foucus to investigating the mechanism behind it.
2013-11-26 04:33:26 PM  
1 votes:

SurfaceTension: Grumpy Cat: SurfaceTension: Grumpy Cat: So, in his grief, you would put your Humanist views on him? That's fair, I suppose. I'm sure he'll appreciate that.

I'm Atheist and have people tell me they'll pray for me when things are going bad for me. What's the difference?

That was my point. Everyone has an opinion. Maybe it's sometimes better to smile and nod.

/I'm an atheist, too.

I've never been a big fan of going along to get along. Yes, it's the right thing to do in certain circumstances (weddings, funerals, trying to get laid) but for me, a sober, rational view of reality makes the ultimate sense.


Obviously, I wasn't trying to argue you. I do see your point. I just have a feeling that if it happened to one of my friend's kids and she saw certain signs or whatnot, I'd let her go along with it. Down the road, when the grieving process becomes less unbearable, I'm sure any reasonable person will come around. And if they don't, be lucky you're not in their shoes.
2013-11-26 04:21:16 PM  
1 votes:

Dimensio: GnomePaladin: Rembrant_Q_Einstein: This is pretty cool: obvious proof that spirits walk among us.  The proof is that the second head is completely different than the girl's: no glasses, different hairlines, different skin tone, the neck line of the shirt is different. There is no way the girl could have moved in a way that created a second head without also creating a second image of her body. The girl's body doesn't move at all.  It is obviously not a "double exposure".

It is also interesting to note that the ghost shows up in the picture of a child.  Ghosts frequently cluster near children as they are more open minded to the spirit world and haven't had what is "real" pounded into their heads for decades.

Unlike you twats.

Wow.  Touchy much?

Frequently, adherents of irrational supernatural beliefs issue pre-emptive personal attacks as a means of affirming to themselves the validity of their position. They are in some way aware that their beliefs are entirely unsupported by any evidence, but they are able to hide that insecurity -- even to themselves -- by first "establishing" that those who disagree with them are lesser individuals by way of unprovoked insults.


If I were to go by this part of your statement on its own, and by the comments in this thread, I honestly would not have a clue which adherents you were referring to. Could be either.
2013-11-26 04:20:35 PM  
1 votes:

Rembrant_Q_Einstein: http://fox4kc.com/2013/11/24/father-claims-9-year-old-son-killed-in-t o rnado-has-shown-up-in-recent-picture-behind-niece/

Here is a larger picture.  There are clearly two different heads/faces in the picture.

It is not unreasonable or unscientific to suppose a new technology (ubiquitous digital photography) would reveal something new about the world around us.  The invention of microscopes revealed an entire microverse of germs and the like whose existence was scoffed at previously.


As a photographer, I clearly see a digital image shot in low light that left a blur trail of the little girl.  See the blur around her right arm?  It's her blur.   Look behind her left knee.  I clearly see a repeat image print of her sandaled right foot.  What I clearly see is that the girl was holding the sparkler up high, as her left hand trails from the start of the sparkler.  I suspect she jumped a bit in excitement, and the camera started to record her image at the peak of her jump.  Clearly.
2013-11-26 03:55:20 PM  
1 votes:
Maybe it's photoshop.

Maybe the picture was taken through a glass door and the "ghost" is the reflection of a portrait behind the photographer.

And maybe people who believe it is a ghost should not be let out unsupervised since they might buy "gold" in a Wallmart's parking lot.
2013-11-26 03:42:59 PM  
1 votes:

GnomePaladin: valar_morghulis: Russ1642: Know how I know it's not a ghost? Ghosts don't exist, dumbasses!

Prove it.

You can't prove a negative.  If people assert there are ghosts (or unicorns, or flying spaghetti monsters), the burden of proof is on them.

If you were making a joke then I'm just being a wet blanket asshole.  Not a state I'm exactly unfamiliar with :).


This has always bothered me. Not your position, which is probably right ("probably," because I'm not so strident), but your approach to communicating it. The burden of proof is on "them" in an argument in which "they" are trying to convince you of something. In a context such as this, where we have persons ("them") espousing or discussing a belief independently of you, no burden exists on "them." They have not proved to you that ghosts exist, certainly, but "they" weren't trying to. Your unsupported conclusory statement has also not proved that ghosts don't exist. That "they" can't prove ghosts exist, does not conclusively establish that they do not exist. For example, many new species of animal have recenly been discovered in Australia. If I had a chance encounter with one of these creatures prior to its official discovery, and asserted its existence, you could state "know how I know it's not [animal x]? [animal x]s don't exist, dumbass." In the likely event that I could not produce evidence of its existence, you would not need to prove to me that it did not exist to reasonably reject my position. However, the fact that you did not have the burden of proving the creature's existence for purposes of taking your position did not also equate to proof of its non-existence.

I see this a lot on Fark, where two or more people are discussing ghosts, gods, etc., and someone jumps in with the equivalent of "they don't exist, dumbasses." I may agree with you substantively, but don't understand what value you think that type of statement has to the discussion. Unless you want to get into detail about specific verifable reasons for the impossibility of the existence of ghosts (or anything else), you might want to hold back on the "dumbass" talk. You might be right (in a vacuum, I can't tell much from your brief ineloquent pronouncement), but you're also not adding anything other than noise.
2013-11-26 03:38:56 PM  
1 votes:
Kids's dad wants to bereave
2013-11-26 03:31:36 PM  
1 votes:

Rembrant_Q_Einstein: Highroller48: Rembrant_Q_Einstein: It is also interesting to note that the ghost shows up in the picture of a child. Ghosts frequently cluster near children as they are more open minded to the spirit world and haven't had what is "real" pounded into their heads for decades.

Unlike you twats.

So your argument for the supernatural is basically the same one that lets Wyle E. Coyote walk off a cliff without falling...until he looks down??

I got one word for you...

[blogs.mycentraljersey.com image 150x206]


Not at all.  There are clearly two different heads there.  If this was film, it would be plausible that it was a double exposure.  A digital photo is incapable of producing this phenomena.


It's a long exposure of a moving subject causing motion blur. Digital or film makes no difference.
2013-11-26 03:30:50 PM  
1 votes:

Rembrant_Q_Einstein: A digital photo is incapable of producing this phenomena.


As far as you know.

You also don't know if the photo has been altered in any way, or if any other of a myriad possibilities have been eliminated.  But, in spite of all of that, you still make the leap from "I don't understand it" to "so it must be MAGIC!".  That's the same logic that gave us witch burning and human sacrifices during solar eclipses.

As TIm Minchin put so aptly:  "Throughout history, EVERY mystery, ever solved, has turned out to be...NOT magic!"    What makes this one so special?

Oh, right...nothing.
2013-11-26 03:27:41 PM  
1 votes:

SurfaceTension: I think this kind of wishful thinking is a big reason why religion persists.

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I'm a big Humanist, and I believe that grieving (and forgiving) are intrinsic to our humanity. Anything that gets in the way of that makes it more difficult in the long run, even if it does provide some temporary relief or comfort.


Of course this is why religion persists.  I am an atheist, and am baffled by people's religious views.  However, I take issue with two things:

- your assertion that belief in the supernatural interferes with the grieving process.  I've seen no evidence that this is the case.

- that it is possible for a person to be in the fifth stage of grief nine months after the sudden loss of a young child anyway.
2013-11-26 03:07:42 PM  
1 votes:

Rembrant_Q_Einstein: It is also interesting to note that the ghost shows up in the picture of a child. Ghosts frequently cluster near children as they are more open minded to the spirit world and haven't had what is "real" pounded into their heads for decades.

Unlike you twats.


So your argument for the supernatural is basically the same one that lets Wyle E. Coyote walk off a cliff without falling...until he looks down??

I got one word for you...

blogs.mycentraljersey.com
2013-11-26 02:36:16 PM  
1 votes:

Grumpy Cat: So, in his grief, you would put your Humanist views on him? That's fair, I suppose. I'm sure he'll appreciate that.


I'm Atheist and have people tell me they'll pray for me when things are going bad for me. What's the difference?
2013-11-26 02:30:56 PM  
1 votes:
If ghosts are on the table, that girl is in definite need of an exorcism based on her eyes.
2013-11-26 02:28:23 PM  
1 votes:

Trashy: I'm not saying it's double exposed film, but it's double exposed film.


On a camera phone. Double exposed film on a camera phone.

What kind of film does your phone take? 110 or 35mm?
2013-11-26 02:28:10 PM  
1 votes:

Trashy: I'm not saying it's double exposed film, but it's double exposed film.


Cell phones use film? Amazing!
2013-11-26 02:27:39 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-11-26 02:12:00 PM  
1 votes:
SurfaceTension:
Obviously I sound like a bit of an asshole here

No, you don't.  You have a harsh yet valid point.
2013-11-26 01:45:18 PM  
1 votes:
I miss film.
 
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