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2013-11-26 12:43:26 PM
yep.


We need a story about this?
 
2013-11-26 01:07:52 PM
Dammit, they're bringing back the Weeping Angels. I was really hoping Moffat would quit dredging the bottom of that well.

/been really happy with everything he's done except for making some of the most boring episodes with those things
 
2013-11-26 01:20:37 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: yep.


We need a story about this?


Sure! Why not?
 
2013-11-26 01:20:41 PM
Goodbye hyper Fez doctor.

Hello foul-mouthed Scotsman.
 
2013-11-26 01:22:49 PM

UNC_Samurai: Dammit, they're bringing back the Weeping Angels. I was really hoping Moffat would quit dredging the bottom of that well.

/been really happy with everything he's done except for making some of the most boring episodes with those things


The whole thing's been spoilered in detail.  I guess you should know that the Angels show up but not much.
 
2013-11-26 01:26:06 PM

KawaiiNot: Sure! Why not?


I guess we could use this as an opportunity to post Clara pictures.

img34.imageshack.us


mmmmm barmaid Clara.....
 
2013-11-26 01:28:12 PM
This is the Brit show that I prefer at Christmas....

/Tradition in my house
 
2013-11-26 01:29:00 PM
bah.. teach me to not preview....

www.extafilm.com

/Tradition in my house
 
2013-11-26 01:29:42 PM
Can't wait to see it.  Sounds like it's going to be very, very good- although not really filled with Christmas cheer.
 
2013-11-26 01:30:31 PM
Science fiction and Christmas? Will we ever learn?

img.fark.net
 
2013-11-26 01:36:39 PM

UNC_Samurai: Dammit, they're bringing back the Weeping Angels. I was really hoping Moffat would quit dredging the bottom of that well.

/been really happy with everything he's done except for making some of the most boring episodes with those things


Moffat had a decent start, but I'm not liking his direction now. In my opinion, he's sacrificing the moments and individual episodes for flash and bang long arcs. Last season was the worst of the NuWho, and the season before was pretty shaky.
 
2013-11-26 01:38:34 PM

edmo: Science fiction and Christmas? Will we ever learn?


Based on how good the last DW Christmas specials were I'd say, yes.
 
2013-11-26 01:42:22 PM

UNC_Samurai: Dammit, they're bringing back the Weeping Angels. I was really hoping Moffat would quit dredging the bottom of that well.

/been really happy with everything he's done except for making some of the most boring episodes with those things


Are you serious? The Weeping Angels are brilliant monsters! Except for the giant angel in Angels Take Manhattan
 
2013-11-26 01:49:57 PM
I'm really looking forward to the Capaldi doctor.  The cameo in the 50th was just perfect.  He does not look like a happy Doctor.  So far we've had Denial Doctor (Eccleston), Regret Doctor (Tennant), and Manic Doctor (Smith).  Time for Grumpy Doctor.
 
2013-11-26 01:52:55 PM

Dr. Whoof: I'm really looking forward to the Capaldi doctor.  The cameo in the 50th was just perfect.  He does not look like a happy Doctor.  So far we've had Denial Doctor (Eccleston), Regret Doctor (Tennant), and Manic Doctor (Smith).  Time for Grumpy Doctor.


Dear god, I hope we don't get a Colin Baker rehash.
 
2013-11-26 02:00:41 PM

TigerzDad: UNC_Samurai: Dammit, they're bringing back the Weeping Angels. I was really hoping Moffat would quit dredging the bottom of that well.

/been really happy with everything he's done except for making some of the most boring episodes with those things

Are you serious? The Weeping Angels are brilliant monsters! Except for the giant angel in Angels Take Manhattan


Blink was a great episode, but you can only use a monster like that but so often.  And Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone might have been a decent episode if it hadn't been a two-parter.  But it was like watching paint dry.   And Angels Take Manhattan isn't as bad, but they've still given that particular monster way too much attention for what they are - a one-dimensional monster better suited for a horror movie.

And while Doctor Who may be a scary kids' show, it appeals to a broader audience by being a smart show.  As Sydney Newman once said, he didn't want "bug-eyed monsters or robots", and that's what the Weeping Angels are - they're bug-eyed monsters that work purely off primal fears, and I find it boring.   There's no dialogue unless they shoehorn it in (like Flesh and Stone), so the Doctor can't engage them and play with their minds like he can with the Daleks, Cybermen, or Sontarans.  The bulk of the episode turns into running away and characters trying not to close their eyes for fear of the bug-stone-eyed monster jumping out of the dark.  Yawn.
 
2013-11-26 02:01:12 PM
TigerzDad:
Are you serious? The Weeping Angels are were brilliant monsters! Except for the giant angel in Angels Take Manhattan

Blink was amazing. Every appearance since has simply watered their impact down. If we never see them again, it would be for the best.
 
2013-11-26 02:04:23 PM

Magruda: Dr. Whoof: I'm really looking forward to the Capaldi doctor.  The cameo in the 50th was just perfect.  He does not look like a happy Doctor.  So far we've had Denial Doctor (Eccleston), Regret Doctor (Tennant), and Manic Doctor (Smith).  Time for Grumpy Doctor.

Dear god, I hope we don't get a Colin Baker rehash.


Matt Smith had a lot of Troughton in his character, which makes me think Capaldi will come off more like Pertwee than Colin Baker - aloof and a bit testy, but not outright irritated at having to acknowledge the existence of other people.
 
2013-11-26 02:17:57 PM
Clara is bringing the Christmas goose!

i.imgur.comi.imgur.com

 
2013-11-26 02:20:23 PM

UNC_Samurai: Matt Smith had a lot of Troughton in his character, which makes me think Capaldi will come off more like Pertwee than Colin Baker - aloof and a bit testy, but not outright irritated at having to acknowledge the existence of other people.


I'm thinking a little Hartnell. One of my favorite bits that appears in the Doctor's character from time to time is how he expects- no,  demands- the best from humanity. When he doesn't get it, he becomes cranky.
 
2013-11-26 02:20:43 PM

UNC_Samurai: TigerzDad: UNC_Samurai: Dammit, they're bringing back the Weeping Angels. I was really hoping Moffat would quit dredging the bottom of that well.

/been really happy with everything he's done except for making some of the most boring episodes with those things

Are you serious? The Weeping Angels are brilliant monsters! Except for the giant angel in Angels Take Manhattan

Blink was a great episode, but you can only use a monster like that but so often.  And Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone might have been a decent episode if it hadn't been a two-parter.  But it was like watching paint dry.   And Angels Take Manhattan isn't as bad, but they've still given that particular monster way too much attention for what they are - a one-dimensional monster better suited for a horror movie.

And while Doctor Who may be a scary kids' show, it appeals to a broader audience by being a smart show.  As Sydney Newman once said, he didn't want "bug-eyed monsters or robots", and that's what the Weeping Angels are - they're bug-eyed monsters that work purely off primal fears, and I find it boring.   There's no dialogue unless they shoehorn it in (like Flesh and Stone), so the Doctor can't engage them and play with their minds like he can with the Daleks, Cybermen, or Sontarans.  The bulk of the episode turns into running away and characters trying not to close their eyes for fear of the bug-stone-eyed monster jumping out of the dark.  Yawn.


Not to mention how every time they appear the rules change. Moffat is sloppy.
 
2013-11-26 02:21:42 PM

UNC_Samurai: Magruda: Dr. Whoof: I'm really looking forward to the Capaldi doctor.  The cameo in the 50th was just perfect.  He does not look like a happy Doctor.  So far we've had Denial Doctor (Eccleston), Regret Doctor (Tennant), and Manic Doctor (Smith).  Time for Grumpy Doctor.

Dear god, I hope we don't get a Colin Baker rehash.

Matt Smith had a lot of Troughton in his character, which makes me think Capaldi will come off more like Pertwee than Colin Baker - aloof and a bit testy, but not outright irritated at having to acknowledge the existence of other people.



Maybe I should revisit Colin Baker as now that I am old and am outright irritated at having to acknowledge the existence of other people.

/I have been in customer service for far too long
 
2013-11-26 02:22:53 PM

UNC_Samurai: Magruda: Dr. Whoof: I'm really looking forward to the Capaldi doctor.  The cameo in the 50th was just perfect.  He does not look like a happy Doctor.  So far we've had Denial Doctor (Eccleston), Regret Doctor (Tennant), and Manic Doctor (Smith).  Time for Grumpy Doctor.

Dear god, I hope we don't get a Colin Baker rehash.

Matt Smith had a lot of Troughton in his character, which makes me think Capaldi will come off more like Pertwee than Colin Baker - aloof and a bit testy, but not outright irritated at having to acknowledge the existence of other people.


So your theory is that they're just going to keep paying homage in chronological order? that makes no sense.
 
2013-11-26 02:26:54 PM

TigerzDad: UNC_Samurai: Dammit, they're bringing back the Weeping Angels. I was really hoping Moffat would quit dredging the bottom of that well.

/been really happy with everything he's done except for making some of the most boring episodes with those things

Are you serious? The Weeping Angels are brilliant monsters! Except for the giant angel in Angels Take Manhattan


When I saw the poster, I thought: ah, geez, not the Angels again.  And certainly not the Cybermen, unless they're actually going to be fearsome at some point in time (rather, than, you know, being defeated by love and running in slo mo).  The Angels, like River, Amy Pond, and the sonic, have been horrible overexposed during Moffat's run.

Think about the Angels.  We no longer know who/what they are: are they parasites who feed off of energy?  Are they a malevolent force that wants to kill the Doctor?  Do they break people's necks?  Can they infect people via videotape?  Every new episode dilutes their impact, especially when the appearances are one off thrills that don't have much plotting other than to say "hey, the Angels are here!  Don't worry about the details!"
 
2013-11-26 02:27:14 PM

UNC_Samurai: Magruda: Dr. Whoof: I'm really looking forward to the Capaldi doctor.  The cameo in the 50th was just perfect.  He does not look like a happy Doctor.  So far we've had Denial Doctor (Eccleston), Regret Doctor (Tennant), and Manic Doctor (Smith).  Time for Grumpy Doctor.

Dear god, I hope we don't get a Colin Baker rehash.

Matt Smith had a lot of Troughton in his character, which makes me think Capaldi will come off more like Pertwee than Colin Baker - aloof and a bit testy, but not outright irritated at having to acknowledge the existence of other people.


And Tennant modeled his doctor off of Davidson. I doubt they will just rehash in order like that.
 
2013-11-26 02:51:36 PM

Magruda: UNC_Samurai: Magruda: Dr. Whoof: I'm really looking forward to the Capaldi doctor.  The cameo in the 50th was just perfect.  He does not look like a happy Doctor.  So far we've had Denial Doctor (Eccleston), Regret Doctor (Tennant), and Manic Doctor (Smith).  Time for Grumpy Doctor.

Dear god, I hope we don't get a Colin Baker rehash.

Matt Smith had a lot of Troughton in his character, which makes me think Capaldi will come off more like Pertwee than Colin Baker - aloof and a bit testy, but not outright irritated at having to acknowledge the existence of other people.

And Tennant modeled his doctor off of Davidson. I doubt they will just rehash in order like that.



Ideally it'll be very original and highly entertaining, but I can kinda imagine Capaldi using Jeremy Brett's Sherlock Holmes as a jumping-off point.
 
2013-11-26 02:57:06 PM
I'm sorry... I can't find Clara sexy now. Every time I see a picture of her, I hear that milksoppy, treacly, annoying theme song they assigned to her, and it just kills it for me.
 
2013-11-26 03:02:16 PM

ZeroCorpse: I'm sorry... I can't find Clara sexy now. Every time I see a picture of her, I hear that milksoppy, treacly, annoying theme song they assigned to her, and it just kills it for me.


It's okay.  We'll just add that to her character being bland and pointless as well.
 
2013-11-26 03:06:40 PM

Wellon Dowd: Clara is bringing the Christmas goose![i.imgur.com image 449x650][i.imgur.com image 605x1132]


I sucked it up last night and took the wife and kid to a 3-D showing of Day of the Doctor. Even though I am no fan of the show I liked the episode (although I think that Eccleston is being a prat not showing up)

And Jenna Coleman makes my souffle rise...
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2013-11-26 03:24:13 PM

Hebalo: TigerzDad:
Are you serious? The Weeping Angels are were brilliant monsters! Except for the giant angel in Angels Take Manhattan

Blink was amazing. Every appearance since has simply watered their impact down. If we never see them again, it would be for the best.


Exactly. The Angels were awesome and brilliant and mysterious, and now they suck. River Song was awesome and brilliant and mysterious, and now she sucks. Clara is boring and she sucks and I'm really pissed she's in the 50th because now I'll never escape her.

I'm looking forward to Capaldi. I'm tired of Matt Smith's Doctor, and I'm very tired of Stephen Moffat. I'm looking forward to when Moffat leaves (after this next season, I think?)
 
2013-11-26 03:53:34 PM

UNC_Samurai: Dammit, they're bringing back the Weeping Angels. I was really hoping Moffat would quit dredging the bottom of that well.

/been really happy with everything he's done except for making some of the most boring episodes with those things


From what I saw in the preview, it's the Cybermen, Daleks, Weeping Angels AND the Silence involved.
 
2013-11-26 03:55:42 PM

onzmadi: UNC_Samurai: Magruda: Dr. Whoof: I'm really looking forward to the Capaldi doctor.  The cameo in the 50th was just perfect.  He does not look like a happy Doctor.  So far we've had Denial Doctor (Eccleston), Regret Doctor (Tennant), and Manic Doctor (Smith).  Time for Grumpy Doctor.

Dear god, I hope we don't get a Colin Baker rehash.

Matt Smith had a lot of Troughton in his character, which makes me think Capaldi will come off more like Pertwee than Colin Baker - aloof and a bit testy, but not outright irritated at having to acknowledge the existence of other people.


Maybe I should revisit Colin Baker as now that I am old and am outright irritated at having to acknowledge the existence of other people.

/I have been in customer service for far too long


Nah, maybe you should revisit Colin Baker because JNT was trying to sabotage the series.
 
2013-11-26 03:59:28 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: TigerzDad: UNC_Samurai: Dammit, they're bringing back the Weeping Angels. I was really hoping Moffat would quit dredging the bottom of that well.

/been really happy with everything he's done except for making some of the most boring episodes with those things

Are you serious? The Weeping Angels are brilliant monsters! Except for the giant angel in Angels Take Manhattan

When I saw the poster, I thought: ah, geez, not the Angels again.  And certainly not the Cybermen, unless they're actually going to be fearsome at some point in time (rather, than, you know, being defeated by love and running in slo mo).  The Angels, like River, Amy Pond, and the sonic, have been horrible overexposed during Moffat's run.

Think about the Angels.  We no longer know who/what they are: are they parasites who feed off of energy?  Are they a malevolent force that wants to kill the Doctor?  Do they break people's necks?  Can they infect people via videotape?  Every new episode dilutes their impact, especially when the appearances are one off thrills that don't have much plotting other than to say "hey, the Angels are here!  Don't worry about the details!"


Maybe i missed something, but where in the poster are the angels?
 
2013-11-26 04:04:15 PM

Iblis824: Maybe i missed something, but where in the poster are the angels?


There's a right angel in each corner.
 
2013-11-26 04:14:18 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Hebalo: TigerzDad:
Are you serious? The Weeping Angels are were brilliant monsters! Except for the giant angel in Angels Take Manhattan

Blink was amazing. Every appearance since has simply watered their impact down. If we never see them again, it would be for the best.

Exactly. The Angels were awesome and brilliant and mysterious, and now they suck. River Song was awesome and brilliant and mysterious, and now she sucks. Clara is boring and she sucks and I'm really pissed she's in the 50th because now I'll never escape her.

I'm looking forward to Capaldi. I'm tired of Matt Smith's Doctor, and I'm very tired of Stephen Moffat. I'm looking forward to when Moffat leaves (after this next season, I think?)


Change, my dear, and not a moment too soon.

\actually a full season too late, but what the hell
 
2013-11-26 04:16:19 PM

Hebalo: Iblis824: Maybe i missed something, but where in the poster are the angels?

There's a right angel in each corner.


I don' see an.. OH DEAR GOD THEY'VE ESCAPED
 
2013-11-26 04:45:16 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Change, my dear, and not a moment too soon.


So you're saying that the next show-runner will strangle a production assistant with large breasts? Wait, grammar, he will strangle a production assistant who  has large breasts. The other way sounds like he'd be strangling them with breasts, which seems like it should cost extra.
 
2013-11-26 05:58:17 PM

Dr. Whoof: I'm really looking forward to the Capaldi doctor.  The cameo in the 50th was just perfect.  He does not look like a happy Doctor.  So far we've had Denial Doctor (Eccleston), Regret Doctor (Tennant), and Manic Doctor (Smith).  Time for Grumpy Doctor.


Sneezy Doctor and Bashful Doctor are up next.
 
2013-11-26 07:10:08 PM
Now that it's been established in the Anniversary, the Doctor can simply go back in time to meet his past selves and solve every problem talking it over with them. Well, enjoy your two minute long Christmas special.
 
2013-11-26 07:18:48 PM

Rip Steakface: Now that it's been established in the Anniversary, the Doctor can simply go back in time to meet his past selves and solve every problem talking it over with them. Well, enjoy your two minute long Christmas special.


Yeah, except for the part that he probably needed the Moment's help to do that...
Anytime there's been more than one incarnation of the Doctor in the same place at a given time it was due to some sort of special circumstance. He can't usually just call up a past or future self and be all "Dude, I'm totally farked, help a bro out dawg."
 
2013-11-26 07:20:51 PM

Rwa2play: UNC_Samurai: Dammit, they're bringing back the Weeping Angels. I was really hoping Moffat would quit dredging the bottom of that well.

/been really happy with everything he's done except for making some of the most boring episodes with those things

From what I saw in the preview, it's the Cybermen, Daleks, Weeping Angels AND the Silence involved.


Yeah.  I'm hoping it's a good sendoff for Smith but it is starting to look like another Moffat "every bad guy in the universe in one place" storyline.
 
2013-11-26 07:21:12 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: Rip Steakface: Now that it's been established in the Anniversary, the Doctor can simply go back in time to meet his past selves and solve every problem talking it over with them. Well, enjoy your two minute long Christmas special.

Yeah, except for the part that he probably needed the Moment's help to do that...
Anytime there's been more than one incarnation of the Doctor in the same place at a given time it was due to some sort of special circumstance. He can't usually just call up a past or future self and be all "Dude, I'm totally farked, help a bro out dawg."


True, but it happens often enough.
 
2013-11-26 07:25:44 PM
One Cyberman = Scary
Army of cybermen = not scary.
One Dalek = Scary. As hell.
Army of Daleks = farking ridiculous
Unless, y'know...you get Nicholas Briggs smack-talking with himself again

/Apparently Capaldi will get to use his normal accent instead of having to pretend to be English like Tennant did
//If there isn't just one little mini-sode where he defeats the the Daleks with obscenities, I will lose all respect for Children In Need.
///But if someone makes the shape-shifting penguin canon, I will spontaneously be pregnant with Moffat's babies.
 
2013-11-26 07:49:33 PM
NuWho steals ideas from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. NuWho isn't science fiction.
 
2013-11-26 07:57:41 PM

Rip Steakface: NuWho steals ideas from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Nu Doctor Who isn't science fiction.


FTFY
 
2013-11-26 08:11:01 PM

Shadowtag: you get Nicholas Briggs smack-talking with himself again


Five rounds rapid!

Shadowtag: Apparently Capaldi will get to use his normal accent instead of having to pretend to be English like Tennant did


That would make me so happy.
 
2013-11-26 08:22:18 PM

Shadowtag: One Cyberman = Scary
Army of cybermen = not scary.
One Dalek = Scary. As hell.
Army of Daleks = farking ridiculous
Unless, y'know...you get Nicholas Briggs smack-talking with himself again

/Apparently Capaldi will get to use his normal accent instead of having to pretend to be English like Tennant did
//If there isn't just one little mini-sode where he defeats the the Daleks with obscenities, I will lose all respect for Children In Need.
///But if someone makes the shape-shifting penguin canon, I will spontaneously be pregnant with Moffat's babies.


Only if we ever get a canon episode/audio play with Kevin the Robot Dinosaur.
 
2013-11-26 08:37:57 PM

UNC_Samurai: Only if we ever get a canon episode/audio play with Kevin the Robot Dinosaur.


Seconded. And Kevin must battle space Cthulhu.
 
2013-11-26 09:38:05 PM
I don't want to sound like a nerd but, i am on fark and this is a Doctor Who thread... so i suppose the cat is out of the bag. I've watched the 50th like 4 or 5 times sinced it aired and once again Moffat proves he's brilliant. Jenna Coleman and Matt Smith were great too. I am excited for Peter Capaldi, but really nobody is going to miss 11?
 
2013-11-26 09:49:02 PM

Flappyhead: Rwa2play: UNC_Samurai: Dammit, they're bringing back the Weeping Angels. I was really hoping Moffat would quit dredging the bottom of that well.

/been really happy with everything he's done except for making some of the most boring episodes with those things

From what I saw in the preview, it's the Cybermen, Daleks, Weeping Angels AND the Silence involved.

Yeah.  I'm hoping it's a good sendoff for Smith but it is starting to look like another Moffat "every bad guy in the universe in one place" storyline.


Well, I'll give Moffat some leeway after an excellent 50th Anniv. episode.
 
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