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(The Morning Call)   "Sorry ma'am, you can't sue over your C+ grade. You will just have to try harder from now on"   (mcall.com) divider line 42
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2013-11-26 11:39:47 AM  
Go be dumb somewhere else
 
2013-11-26 11:42:36 AM  
If her C+ grade was not a proof that she was dumb, she removed all doubt by suing.
 
2013-11-26 11:44:32 AM  
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2013-11-26 11:45:39 AM  
Sorry, little snowflake.  Here endeth the lesson.
 
2013-11-26 11:51:32 AM  
So retake the class...
 
2013-11-26 11:52:37 AM  
And, not only did you manage to lose your case, any time anyone googles you, you'll show up as the whiny biatch that threw a tantrum when she didn't get the grade she wanted. Good on ya!
 
2013-11-26 11:54:59 AM  
1.  Buy, like, ruhlly kewil smart people glusses.

2.  Like, wear them so people know  U R, like, so smart.

3.  Show up 4 skool and say "OK, whut uver, gimmie monie nao!"

4.  Do no profit.
 
2013-11-26 11:56:01 AM  
After getting the grade, Thode unsuccessfully filed internal grievances, showed up for meetings with her father, and insisted that her teacher, Amanda Carr, give her a written apology and a "plan for compensating me financially," Lehigh said.

So, basically, if that's true, she got a poor grade for being a biatchy, spoiled brat.

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The last thing the workforce needs is more pissy, spoiled 20-somethings who just started their careers and think they know everything right out of the gate.

Also, I went to school with a girl who successfully sued to have a grade removed from her transcript and the opportunity to retake the course in question without paying again. However, that was because she was able to prove that she had made an agreement with the professor to work remotely during an illness and he didn't honor it, giving her a failing grade partway through for not attending class (despite her having turned in all required work). Li'l bit different.
 
2013-11-26 11:57:10 AM  
Even brought her daddy in for support.  Bad news princess.

Next time try and do better overall and get an A.  The difference between a B- and C+ is minimal.  The difference between an A and C+ is less so.

Also is there some rule in her program that says she cannot re-take the class to improve her grade?  If a B grade or higher is a prerequisite, then just take the class over.  If that's not applicable, well don't be a farkup next time.
 
2013-11-26 12:00:40 PM  
I DNRTFA, but I want to guess pre-med.

*RTFA*

Master's-level counselling?  Really?  So her advice for people would be "If at first you don't succeed, whine and complain and make a nuisance of yourself until people give you what you want"?

The counselling profession as a whole is much improved for not having her in it.
 
2013-11-26 12:03:59 PM  
A friend of mine caught a student trying to cheat on an exam and reported it to the Dean.  There was significant evidence of cheating, the student didn't admit or apologize, instead he lawyered up.  The argument in court was not "he didn't cheat" rather it was "yes he cheated but putting it on his record will harm his chances of getting into medical school, so the punishment is too harsh."  The kid lost.

The best part - the University has an unofficial policy of if you show remorse and admit you farked up, they let you slide with a slap on the wrist punishment and nothing on your record.
 
2013-11-26 12:05:40 PM  
So her argument is that nobody can do anything she doesn't like, because she's in a protected class?
How would that be equal protection under the law?
 
2013-11-26 12:07:19 PM  

Bondith: I DNRTFA, but I want to guess pre-med.

*RTFA*

Master's-level counselling?  Really?  So her advice for people would be "If at first you don't succeed, whine and complain and make a nuisance of yourself until people give you what you want"?

The counselling profession as a whole is much improved for not having her in it.



Obviously, she wanted to provide counselling to Wall Street executives.  She'd fit right in there.
 
2013-11-26 12:08:51 PM  
1. Most graduate schools let you take a class over for a better grade
2. She was not paying tuition, so a do over was free
TFA
"Thode sued Lehigh for $1.3 million, charging the grade had scuttled her dream of becoming a licensed professional counselor.
At the four-day civil trial, Lehigh argued that Thode was simply not academically and emotionally ready to move on"

I think the school got it right
 
2013-11-26 12:09:02 PM  

dj_bigbird: And, not only did you manage to lose your case, any time anyone googles you, you'll show up as the whiny biatch that threw a tantrum when she didn't get the grade she wanted. Good on ya!


This is a great point. In my experience only your first employer cares about your grade, because they don't have that much else to go on. After that nobody will ever consider your schooling again, beyond checking the box that you have a degree.
 
2013-11-26 12:12:54 PM  
I can't believe that people try this kind of thing. Seriously, take the class over and move on with life. I've had to do it (I don't math well at all), and in the long run it hasn't affected me too much, other that having to take a class a second time.

It kind of helps that my university lets you retake a failed course and will only calculate the passed attempt in your GPA (though the first attempt stays on the transcript).

Honestly, if I saw a transcript that showed somebody had tried and failed, then tried again and passed, I'd really not think poorly of them. At least they didn't just quit and take something easier.
 
2013-11-26 12:13:46 PM  

lennavan: A friend of mine caught a student trying to cheat on an exam and reported it to the Dean.  There was significant evidence of cheating, the student didn't admit or apologize, instead he lawyered up.  The argument in court was not "he didn't cheat" rather it was "yes he cheated but putting it on his record will harm his chances of getting into medical school, so the punishment is too harsh."  The kid lost.

The best part - the University has an unofficial policy of if you show remorse and admit you farked up, they let you slide with a slap on the wrist punishment and nothing on your record.


Theeeeeeere's the pre-med mindset I've come to expect...from Fark posts, at least.

My sole pre-med student would beg for every half-mark he thought he could get, but he was self-effacingly polite and didn't trot out the "I'm gonna be a doctor so you need to give me a good grade" line.
 
2013-11-26 12:15:54 PM  
That's going to look good on her resume.
 
2013-11-26 12:21:41 PM  
If you all would RTFA she was given a 0 for class participation and that was the only reason her grade was drug down to a C+ instead of the B she needed to continue her masters. I don't know what percentage of her total grade came from class participation, but even if it was just 10% that would mean she had a B+ in the rest of the class. The article also basically says that the school has acknowledged she was in class and participating in the class, just not participating in a way that entirely pleased the professor.

I am sorry, but even if you don't like what she had to say, if she is there and taking part she deserves at LEAST a 30 of 100 in class participation. A 0 is entirely unjustified. Even poor participation should get you at least a 40. A 0 should be reserved for people that don't show up at all. Saying nothing but at least being there should get you a 10-30. Saying some things but not saying anything that useful should get you a 30-50 (this is apparently where this woman should have fallen). Saying vaguely useful stuff, 50-70. Useful but not insightful things, 70-90, and insightful things, 90-100.

Based solely on the article it sounds like she is a bit of a biatch, but she also should have gotten the B she earned.
 
2013-11-26 12:22:10 PM  
"You hurt my job prospects, so now I'm going to devastate them."  Princess, and her daddy, ought to go all the way and off themselves.  That'll show 'em.
 
2013-11-26 12:22:16 PM  
The school's attorneys said she showed unprofessional behavior that included outbursts and swearing in class.

I think you can add "suing to get a better grade" to this list.
 
2013-11-26 12:28:02 PM  
Bondith:Theeeeeeere's the pre-med mindset I've come to expect...from Fark posts, at least.

My sole pre-med student would beg for every half-mark he thought he could get, but he was self-effacingly polite and didn't trot out the "I'm gonna be a doctor so you need to give me a good grade" line.


Yeah, the stereotype is a bit unfair.  I have mostly pre-med students and the majority of them are perfectly fine students.  But the ones I remember are the ones that stick out which are mostly the problem students.  I had a lengthy complaint filed against me for amongst other things being uncaring, unprofessional and creating a hostile learning environment.  He's the one I'll remember.  Teehee, "hostile environment."  I'll give you 3 guesses as to how well that student is performing in the class (but you'll only need 1!).
 
2013-11-26 12:31:09 PM  

arentol: I am sorry, but even if you don't like what she had to say, if she is there and taking part she deserves at LEAST a 30 of 100 in class participation. A 0 is entirely unjustified. Even poor participation should get you at least a 40. A 0 should be reserved for people that don't show up at all.


I think you are confusing the term "participation" with the terms "talking" and "attendance."
 
2013-11-26 12:39:06 PM  

arentol: If you all would RTFA she was given a 0 for class participation and that was the only reason her grade was drug down to a C+ instead of the B she needed to continue her masters. I don't know what percentage of her total grade came from class participation, but even if it was just 10% that would mean she had a B+ in the rest of the class. The article also basically says that the school has acknowledged she was in class and participating in the class, just not participating in a way that entirely pleased the professor.

I am sorry, but even if you don't like what she had to say, if she is there and taking part she deserves at LEAST a 30 of 100 in class participation. A 0 is entirely unjustified. Even poor participation should get you at least a 40. A 0 should be reserved for people that don't show up at all. Saying nothing but at least being there should get you a 10-30. Saying some things but not saying anything that useful should get you a 30-50 (this is apparently where this woman should have fallen). Saying vaguely useful stuff, 50-70. Useful but not insightful things, 70-90, and insightful things, 90-100.

Based solely on the article it sounds like she is a bit of a biatch, but she also should have gotten the B she earned.


Outbursts and swearing is not considered "participation". Unless you have more information that points to actually participating (the article seemed to lack anything you based your argument on), it was the right decision.
 
2013-11-26 12:39:52 PM  

arentol: If you all would RTFA she was given a 0 for class participation and that was the only reason her grade was drug down to a C+ instead of the B she needed to continue her masters. I don't know what percentage of her total grade came from class participation, but even if it was just 10% that would mean she had a B+ in the rest of the class. The article also basically says that the school has acknowledged she was in class and participating in the class, just not participating in a way that entirely pleased the professor.

I am sorry, but even if you don't like what she had to say, if she is there and taking part she deserves at LEAST a 30 of 100 in class participation. A 0 is entirely unjustified. Even poor participation should get you at least a 40. A 0 should be reserved for people that don't show up at all. Saying nothing but at least being there should get you a 10-30. Saying some things but not saying anything that useful should get you a 30-50 (this is apparently where this woman should have fallen). Saying vaguely useful stuff, 50-70. Useful but not insightful things, 70-90, and insightful things, 90-100.

Based solely on the article it sounds like she is a bit of a biatch, but she also should have gotten the B she earned.


While all of that may be true if her actions in the class, ie; "participation" was a net loss by disrupting the class with swearing and outbursts you may get a zero.  Professors can be twats, no doubt and it may be the case by I'm gonna go with her actions directly causing the zero, the course is for counseling after all.  I don't think outbursts and swearing are a good asset when discussing abuse with a victim.
 
2013-11-26 12:46:36 PM  

lennavan: Bondith:Theeeeeeere's the pre-med mindset I've come to expect...from Fark posts, at least.

My sole pre-med student would beg for every half-mark he thought he could get, but he was self-effacingly polite and didn't trot out the "I'm gonna be a doctor so you need to give me a good grade" line.

Yeah, the stereotype is a bit unfair.  I have mostly pre-med students and the majority of them are perfectly fine students.  But the ones I remember are the ones that stick out which are mostly the problem students.  I had a lengthy complaint filed against me for amongst other things being uncaring, unprofessional and creating a hostile learning environment.  He's the one I'll remember.  Teehee, "hostile environment."  I'll give you 3 guesses as to how well that student is performing in the class (but you'll only need 1!).


The stereotype exists for a reason.  Most of the pre-meds I have dealt with were very polite in earshot of anyone with authority but would rag people out once out of perceived hearing range.  They are generally good about not getting caught doing it, and often there is an internal rating system about who to take (easier grading) and who not to take (stricter).  Back in the pre-powerpoint days I remember common books for said courses being put in libraries and hearing about or finding pages missing, things would "disappear" when people went to the bathroom, etc.  There are some great pre-med students, but enough who fit the stereotype that it will perpetuate for a long time.

This student sounds like she got caught up in a political tussle with her professor, went to solve it internally, and handled it in a sub-optimal matter.  It is a shame that such things can end careers, but even worse when it ends up in court.  Dragging the father into it might have made it worse, but ultimately there is no more wiggle room for handling it internally.  She should have retaken the course, but now even if she is allowed to she will be marked if only by the fact she was in the lawsuit.  Even if she could continue there it might be wiser to head elsewhere and restart the program from scratch, especially given the difference in career earnings as listed.
 
2013-11-26 12:47:29 PM  

IRQ12: I don't think outbursts and swearing are a good asset when discussing abuse with a victim.


She should blame the makers of the Red Bull she's drinking in that photo. The outbursts weren't her fault!!!
 
2013-11-26 12:56:48 PM  
Just accept the grade with dignity, biatch.
 
2013-11-26 01:07:41 PM  
She should try for a C#.
 
2013-11-26 01:08:02 PM  
she tried the discrimination against gltb: fail
she tried suing: fail
appealing the fail: more fail
showed up to meetings with her daddy: fail
complained she was forced to find a supplimental internship: fail

she can't be a licensed councelor..and nothing of value was lost
 
2013-11-26 01:08:38 PM  
In college I was accused of cheating. What had happend was 2 people in my class had stolen a disk of mine and used the work as their own. It took 3 months to get it cleared up and it screwed up my chance of getting a transfer that semester.
 
2013-11-26 01:27:42 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: That's going to look good on her resume

Google
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2013-11-26 01:32:41 PM  

natas6.0: she tried the discrimination against gltb: fail
she tried suing: fail
appealing the fail: more fail
showed up to meetings with her daddy: fail
complained she was forced to find a supplimental internship: fail

she can't be a licensed councelor..and nothing of value was lost


Gay douche trifecta in play?
 
2013-11-26 01:48:53 PM  
If I was a professor for torts law I'd give everyone in the class a C regardless of how well they did or how smart they were.  The only way you'd get an A is if you successfully sued me at the end of the semester.

Would probably be the most educational torts law curriculum in the entire nation.
 
2013-11-26 02:10:52 PM  
Everything is about how you are perceived by others. They know that school is worthless, they just want a nice grade to get a pat on the head and move to their next bullshiat life step. They are then elected to political office and ruin lives for everyone else.
 
2013-11-26 02:37:35 PM  

blugenes: The stereotype exists for a reason.


It certainly does but I bet you and I have completely different ideas of what that reason is.

blugenes: Most of the pre-meds I have dealt with were very polite in earshot of anyone with authority but would rag people out once out of perceived hearing range.


Do you have numbers, or are these just anecdotes that you recall due to confirmation bias?

blugenes: They are generally good about not getting caught doing it, and often there is an internal rating system about who to take (easier grading) and who not to take (stricter).


You think that is unique to pre-meds?  Ridiculous.
 
2013-11-26 04:44:44 PM  

arentol: If you all would RTFA she was given a 0 for class participation and that was the only reason her grade was drug down to a C+ instead of the B she needed to continue her masters. I don't know what percentage of her total grade came from class participation, but even if it was just 10% that would mean she had a B+ in the rest of the class. The article also basically says that the school has acknowledged she was in class and participating in the class, just not participating in a way that entirely pleased the professor.

I am sorry, but even if you don't like what she had to say, if she is there and taking part she deserves at LEAST a 30 of 100 in class participation. A 0 is entirely unjustified. Even poor participation should get you at least a 40. A 0 should be reserved for people that don't show up at all. Saying nothing but at least being there should get you a 10-30. Saying some things but not saying anything that useful should get you a 30-50 (this is apparently where this woman should have fallen). Saying vaguely useful stuff, 50-70. Useful but not insightful things, 70-90, and insightful things, 90-100.

Based solely on the article it sounds like she is a bit of a biatch, but she also should have gotten the B she earned.


You sound like a snowflake.
 
2013-11-26 07:08:58 PM  

dj_bigbird: And, not only did you manage to lose your case, any time anyone googles you, you'll show up as the whiny biatch that threw a tantrum when she didn't get the grade she wanted. Good on ya!


Yeah, that's definitely going to have some negative consequences on her future employment, unless she's only going to be working for Daddy.
 
2013-11-26 07:21:06 PM  
Have you people been to Lehigh?  it's full of over privileged rich kids.  But then again they do have a few that feel left out and they've been protesting.
 
2013-11-26 08:05:03 PM  

arentol: If you all would RTFA she was given a 0 for class participation and that was the only reason her grade was drug down to a C+ instead of the B she needed to continue her masters. I don't know what percentage of her total grade came from class participation, but even if it was just 10% that would mean she had a B+ in the rest of the class. The article also basically says that the school has acknowledged she was in class and participating in the class, just not participating in a way that entirely pleased the professor.

I am sorry, but even if you don't like what she had to say, if she is there and taking part she deserves at LEAST a 30 of 100 in class participation. A 0 is entirely unjustified. Even poor participation should get you at least a 40. A 0 should be reserved for people that don't show up at all. Saying nothing but at least being there should get you a 10-30. Saying some things but not saying anything that useful should get you a 30-50 (this is apparently where this woman should have fallen). Saying vaguely useful stuff, 50-70. Useful but not insightful things, 70-90, and insightful things, 90-100.

Based solely on the article it sounds like she is a bit of a biatch, but she also should have gotten the B she earned.


FTFA: The school's attorneys said she showed unprofessional behavior that included outbursts and swearing in class.

Assuming this is the case, her zero was well earned. A student who just sits silently in class, never contributing but otherwise not causing harm, is preferable to this sort of behavior.
 
2013-11-26 10:13:31 PM  

arentol: If you all would RTFA she was given a 0 for class participation and that was the only reason her grade was drug down to a C+ instead of the B she needed to continue her masters. I don't know what percentage of her total grade came from class participation, but even if it was just 10% that would mean she had a B+ in the rest of the class. The article also basically says that the school has acknowledged she was in class and participating in the class, just not participating in a way that entirely pleased the professor.

I am sorry, but even if you don't like what she had to say, if she is there and taking part she deserves at LEAST a 30 of 100 in class participation. A 0 is entirely unjustified. Even poor participation should get you at least a 40. A 0 should be reserved for people that don't show up at all. Saying nothing but at least being there should get you a 10-30. Saying some things but not saying anything that useful should get you a 30-50 (this is apparently where this woman should have fallen). Saying vaguely useful stuff, 50-70. Useful but not insightful things, 70-90, and insightful things, 90-100.

Based solely on the article it sounds like she is a bit of a biatch, but she also should have gotten the B she earned.


Should they also have a participation trophy with that 30%?
 
2013-11-27 02:10:26 PM  
C++?  What was her score in JavaScript class?
 
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