hardinparamedic: Good. Let's get another space race going. It's the only way the American People are going to wise up and start investing in STEM and Space Exploration once again.
bbfreak: hardinparamedic: Good. Let's get another space race going. It's the only way the American People are going to wise up and start investing in STEM and Space Exploration once again.You seem more hopeful than I am. The American people don't care that science and exploration are why we have computers, children that live to be adults, etc. I doubt a space race would matter much. We've already given up on physics and astronomy compared to Europe, why not space exploration too? Granted, I don't think anyone is prepared to fill NASA's shoes.Russian's? Hah, they're using the same manned spacecraft since 1962 more or less and haven't sent anything beyond low earth orbit since 1988!China? Eh. That would be a step back, the capability just isn't there yet.ESA? Not really, they are probably the closest in capability to NASA at the moment but they're still left behind. Mainly because ESA isn't really a full European space agency, its more like the various countries of Europe agree mission by mission on what they're going to contribute resources towards. With usually France and Germany providing the bulk of the resources.Its unclear whether Exomars will ever rove on Mars, and it'll certainly not be more capable than Spirit & Opportunity if it does.Canada? Japan? They like Europe favor working with others, and are looking to the United States to lead once more. Though, its also unclear how the legacy of the cooperation formed as a result of ISS will carry on after ISS. Especially with it looking very likely that ISS is going to be committed to the ocean rather than continued. Which makes absolutely no sense, you may disagree with ISS or you may not but it makes absolutely no sense to dump it into the ocean if the cost of maintaining it isn't more than the cost of building a new station.Anyway, that brings me back to my point. Americans aren't up in arms that NASA's budget is being slashed even more. Eventually NASA is going to have to choose between SLS and ISS at the rate things are going. Not that we have a real plan of where we are going next anyway. We should have a broad and clear vision, but we don't. That would cost money, and we don't invest in the future anymore in America. We instead convince ourselves that we don't have any money to do anything, and just accept that our time has come to an end. Or so it seems.
bbfreak: Russian's? Hah, they're using the same manned spacecraft since 1962 more or less and haven't sent anything beyond low earth orbit since 1988!
Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: bbfreak: Russian's? Hah, they're using the same manned spacecraft since 1962 more or less and haven't sent anything beyond low earth orbit since 1988!Okay, generally true--but I have to take exception to this point. The Soyuz TMA-M in use now is "the same manned spacecraft [used] since 1962" in the same way that a Boeing 737-900EX rolling off the assembly line today is the same aircraft as a 737-100 from the 1960s. Nevermind that it has a totally new airframe, new electronics, new engines, and a reliability track record that only 50 years in service working all the bugs out of the design can achieve.Soyuz got off to a rough start due to the Soviet system, but today it's probably the best manned spacecraft ever built. Aside from its small payload capacity, there isn't really any need to replace it./it's okay to admit "the other guys" did something right once in a while
mark12A: It always annoyed me the US never bothered with sending up moon rovers. They're cheap, you could land them anywhere you felt like no matter how dangerous the surface features, and have Universities just run the things indefinitely, looking at stuff, mapping, etc.
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