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2013-11-26 11:11:08 AM
The cause of liberalism is a preexisting condition, though, so it's covered anyways.
 
2013-11-26 11:15:20 AM
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2013-11-26 11:15:49 AM
I don't blame republicans for trying to take advantage of the issues with the website, but come on, try not to lie to yourselves.
 
2013-11-26 11:30:02 AM
They are so very concerned for the liberal cause.

You know what's hurting conservatism? Conservatives.
 
2013-11-26 11:31:09 AM
Obamacare and actual liberalism are barely in adjoining area codes.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-11-26 11:31:26 AM

James!: I don't blame republicans for trying to take advantage of the issues with the website, but come on, try not to lie to yourselves.


Being a republican is all about self delusion.
 
2013-11-26 11:41:22 AM
Whelp, nothing like hearing about how the "cause of liberalism" is hurt from a reactionary, right wing and religious fundamentalist news publication such as Newsmax. I'm SURE there is no vested agenda there.

AND, While we're on the subject of vested agendas, let's talk about how newsmax is running scams targeting the elderly.
 
2013-11-26 11:41:29 AM

vpb: James!: I don't blame republicans for trying to take advantage of the issues with the website, but come on, try not to lie to yourselves.

Being a republican is all about self delusion.


Yup. They get it 7 days a week. Especially on Sunday mornings.
 
2013-11-26 11:42:16 AM
From the first farking sentence: "The disastrous of President Barack Obama's signature healthcare plan..."

I can haz editors?
 
2013-11-26 11:51:51 AM
Obamacare tried to boil the frog too quickly.  Now they're trying to turn down the heat with delays, "fixes" etc.  but it's too late.  The frog has jumped out of the pot; good luck trying to persuade him to get back into it.

/Liberal intentions are noble.  Liberal results are Obamacare
 
2013-11-26 11:52:57 AM

BunkoSquad: Obamacare and actual liberalism are barely in adjoining area codes.


www.learnthailanguage.org
 
2013-11-26 11:54:18 AM
I think what we're seeing here are the last throes of liberalism.
 
2013-11-26 11:56:15 AM

JerseyTim: I think what we're seeing here are the last throes of liberalism.


You know what that means? That means it's the perfect time for a Truck-In at the White Hut!
 
2013-11-26 11:57:49 AM

Il Douchey: Obamacare tried to boil the frog too quickly.  Now they're trying to turn down the heat with delays, "fixes" etc.  but it's too late.  The frog has jumped out of the pot; good luck trying to persuade him to get back into it.

/Liberal intentions are noble.  Liberal results are Obamacare


hehehehehe
And The Global Recession is GOP fiscal conservatism, and dont get me started on GOP family values.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-11-26 11:58:18 AM

Il Douchey: Obamacare tried to boil the frog too quickly.  Now they're trying to turn down the heat with delays, "fixes" etc.  but it's too late.  The frog has jumped out of the pot; good luck trying to persuade him to get back into it.

/Liberal intentions are noble.  Liberal results are Obamacare


Yeah, no one really wants healthcare.
 
2013-11-26 12:05:53 PM
Didn't we have this exact article like last week?

*checks his "greenlit" pile*

....hmmm...

*checks "redlit" pile*

....oh....carry on then
 
2013-11-26 12:07:28 PM
Haven't seen a floorhumper link in a while.
 
2013-11-26 12:08:03 PM

Il Douchey: Obamacare tried to boil the frog too quickly.  Now they're trying to turn down the heat with delays, "fixes" etc.  but it's too late.  The frog has jumped out of the pot; good luck trying to persuade him to get back into it.

/Liberal intentions are noble.  Liberal results are Obamacare


This metaphor was so bad it was like a bow legged crawdad sliding backwards up a down facing creek side.
 
2013-11-26 12:08:07 PM

JerseyTim: I think what we're seeing here are the last throes of liberalism.


LOL. yeah, that's it.
 
2013-11-26 12:16:26 PM
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2013-11-26 12:16:45 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: Il Douchey: Obamacare tried to boil the frog too quickly.  Now they're trying to turn down the heat with delays, "fixes" etc.  but it's too late.  The frog has jumped out of the pot; good luck trying to persuade him to get back into it.

/Liberal intentions are noble.  Liberal results are Obamacare

This metaphor was so bad it was like a bow legged crawdad sliding backwards up a down facing creek side.


Compare Obamacare to the boiling frog?  This is what we call a mythed opportunity.
 
2013-11-26 12:22:04 PM

JerseyTim: I think what we're seeing here are the last throes of liberalism.


LOL
 
2013-11-26 12:46:14 PM

Il Douchey: Obamacare tried to boil the frog too quickly.  Now they're trying to turn down the heat with delays, "fixes" etc.  but it's too late.  The frog has jumped out of the pot; good luck trying to persuade him to get back into it.

/Liberal intentions are noble.  Liberal results are Obamacare


Christ, never has a screen name ever fit an asinine comment so perfectly.  Well done.
 
2013-11-26 12:46:34 PM
... because it's a give-away to private insurance companies that socializes their losses while privatizing their profits in exchange for only the most minimal improvements that should have been industry standards anyhow?


No, wait, it's just some moron complaining about the program having rollout issues like literally every government program ever to roll out.  Carry on, nothing of value to see here.
 
2013-11-26 12:47:29 PM
So Newsmax is running an article drawing heavily from a New Republic article that makes the argument that Obamacare hurts the cause of liberalism because "The nation would have been better off in the long run, he continues, if Obamacare had been anchored in the existing Medicare system." My world is spinning out of control here. I don't know what to believe anymore. Someone hold me.
 
2013-11-26 12:50:01 PM
I think what we are seeing are the last ho's of Conservatism.
 
2013-11-26 12:51:36 PM
I used to be the libbist lib who ever libbed a lib, but when I heard that it might take weeks to fix the healthcare.gov website, I joined the Tea Party.
 
2013-11-26 12:53:45 PM
Liberalism is hurt in the sense that you can say "Look at what happens when you listen to the Heritage Foundation!"
 
2013-11-26 12:54:35 PM
Obamacare has NOTHING to do with liberalism.  Absolutely nothing.

The PPACA is a right wing Republican idea that was co-opted -- very unwisely, in my opinion -- by the Obama administration.  It is not a liberal idea.

Let's take this assertion from TFA (articulated, apparently by  New Republic editor Franklin Foer): "[t]he disastrous of President Barack Obama's signature healthcare plan has damaged the liberal cause and the idea that government can still play a competent and unifying role in solving national problems."

Ignoring for a moment the fact that the claim seems to have accidentally a word, it's nonsensical.  The PPACA is not a law that shows confidence in the ability of government to be competent.  The PPACA is a law that assumes the government is incompetent and must rely on for-profit corporations to be useful.  And, the PPACA was also extraordinarily naive, in that it assumed that Republicans would support their own creation if its success would allow a Democrat a political win.
 
2013-11-26 12:54:55 PM
You guys are aware that JerseyTimis generally liberal leaning, right? At least from what I remember.
 
2013-11-26 01:01:19 PM
Newsmax sounds ... concerned.
 
2013-11-26 01:01:58 PM
A) The ACA isn't a liberal plan. But you knew that.
B) Your concern is duly noted, f*ckhead.
 
2013-11-26 01:02:27 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I used to be the libbist lib who ever libbed a lib, but when I heard that it might take weeks to fix the healthcare.gov website, I joined the Tea Party.


I was a liberal until I tried to use the Obamacare website. Now I run a small business that fracks for oil underneath orphanages.
 
2013-11-26 01:03:35 PM

dogdaze:


What's ironic about that picture is that it's posted by folks around here who see the monothilic Conservative behind all of societies ills and blame "the far right" whenever they jump at their own shadow.
 
2013-11-26 01:04:39 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: I think what we are seeing are the last ho's of Conservatism.


joebrower.com
 
2013-11-26 01:06:45 PM

Frank N Stein: monothilic Conservative


When you use the term "conservative," what do you mean by it?  Please, be specific.
 
2013-11-26 01:10:51 PM

grumpfuff: You guys are aware that JerseyTimis generally liberal leaning, right? At least from what I remember.



He spelled "throes" correctly, so I assumed he was.
 
2013-11-26 01:11:51 PM
Well when you adopt insane right-wing derp as your health reform plan and turn it into your signature legislation you shouldn't be surprised to get egg on your face, no.
 
2013-11-26 01:13:28 PM

mrshowrules: PC LOAD LETTER: I think what we are seeing are the last ho's of Conservatism.

[joebrower.com image 500x697]


I prefer this picture of her:
www.habitatadvocate.com.au

/I wanna say she's the one on the right, but I'm bad with faces
 
2013-11-26 01:14:18 PM

eraser8: Frank N Stein: monothilic Conservative

When you use the term "conservative," what do you mean by it?  Please, be specific.


The point is is that it's not specific. It's a representation of "the other side".
 
2013-11-26 01:16:38 PM

Frank N Stein: eraser8: Frank N Stein: monothilic Conservative

When you use the term "conservative," what do you mean by it?  Please, be specific.

The point is is that it's not specific. It's a representation of "the other side".


Like "liberals"?
 
2013-11-26 01:18:49 PM

grumpfuff: Frank N Stein: eraser8: Frank N Stein: monothilic Conservative

When you use the term "conservative," what do you mean by it?  Please, be specific.

The point is is that it's not specific. It's a representation of "the other side".

Like "liberals"?


Yes. That's why I pointed out the irony of people using that image. I mean, we're all guilty of over generalizing people we don't agree with. It's to what degree we do so that we all should keep in check
 
2013-11-26 01:19:58 PM

JerseyTim: I think what we're seeing here are the last throes of liberalism.


And not a minute too soon!  The gods have triumphed over the clods!
 
2013-11-26 01:21:42 PM
Obamacare "has hurt the cause of liberalism"

Only for people under the delusion that Obama is a liberal.
 
2013-11-26 01:25:43 PM
Considering a huge gash of Obamacare opposition is from liberals who think it didn't go far enough, and who have been opposing reform since Obama took universal HC off the table, it's pretty clear that liberalism was already dead before it got there.
 
2013-11-26 01:32:12 PM
The concern is very high in that article.
 
2013-11-26 01:33:25 PM
Newsmax can blow it out its ass, but anyone who really cares about any -"ism" is farking clueless. Policy runs a country, not a goddamn ideology.
 
2013-11-26 01:33:43 PM
I apply lube liberally, does that make me a Liberal?
 
2013-11-26 01:36:06 PM
...," he said wishfully.
 
2013-11-26 01:37:26 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: Newsmax can blow it out its ass, but anyone who really cares about any -"ism" is farking clueless. Policy runs a country, not a goddamn ideology.


can't argue with that.

If a modern Conservative actually bothered to look up John Locke Liberalism, their heads would assplode.

but we live in the time of name calling, which doesn't necessarily require accurate meanings or usage.
 
2013-11-26 01:46:20 PM
worst. liberal. ever.
 
2013-11-26 01:54:58 PM

IlGreven: Considering a huge gash of Obamacare opposition

meetthematts.com


What a huge gash of Obamacare opposition might look like
 
2013-11-26 02:04:30 PM
Obama isn't very liberal.
 
2013-11-26 02:07:20 PM
Isitoveryet:
If a modern Conservative actually bothered to look up John Locke Liberalism, their heads would assplode.

but we live in the time of name calling, which doesn't necessarily require accurate meanings or usage.


I just think it's sad that the country has spun into essentially grown men-babies using words they don't understand to insult people they dislike in a very kindergarten sort of manner :(
 
2013-11-26 02:21:30 PM

Jim_Callahan: ... because it's a give-away to private insurance companies that socializes their losses while privatizing their profits in exchange for only the most minimal improvements that should have been industry standards anyhow?


No, wait, it's just some moron complaining about the program having rollout issues like literally every government program ever to roll out.  Carry on, nothing of value to see here.


It is a good idea they weren't at the rolling out of the Republic. If a website not working fully is classed as the sky is falling, what would they do with 25,000 dead?
 
2013-11-26 02:58:40 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: The cause of liberalism is a preexisting condition, though, so it's covered anyways.


If you experience liberalism lasting longer than four hours, seek immediate medical care.
 
2013-11-26 03:21:11 PM
From Heritage Dictionary:

Liberal:  Favoring reform, open to new ideas, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; not bound by traditional thinking; broad-minded.
Conservative: Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.


So by those definitions, the ACA has done precisely what a 'liberal' would do.  FAVOR REFORM!  Is it perfect?  Of course not.  Is it what the real progressives wanted (Single payer)?  Not hardly.  It was the best of a series of either unworkable, politically impossible, or impractical solutions, the worst and least practical of which was 'deregulate, and let the markets decide'.
 
2013-11-26 03:43:09 PM

Lando Lincoln: They are so very concerned for the liberal cause.

You know what's hurting conservatism? Conservatives.


This.
 
2013-11-26 03:44:44 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I used to be the libbist lib who ever libbed a lib, but when I heard that it might take weeks to fix the healthcare.gov website, I joined the Tea Party.


I used to be a liberal like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
 
2013-11-26 05:23:33 PM

A Cave Geek: Liberal:  Favoring reform, open to new ideas, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; not bound by traditional thinking; broad-minded.
Conservative: Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.


BUH BUH BUH TRADITIONAL LIBERALS
TODAY'S LIBERALS ARE SOCIALISTS
 
2013-11-26 05:37:01 PM
A Cave Geek:
Liberal:  Favoring reform, open to new ideas, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; not bound by traditional thinking; broad-minded.
Conservative:Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.


And those farktards use liberal as an insult. Seriously? In what universe is being tolerant an insult.
Open to new ideas an insult?
 
2013-11-26 06:29:35 PM

whidbey: BUH BUH BUH TRADITIONAL LIBERALS


Point of order.  The preferred term is "Classical Liberals".
 
2013-11-26 08:15:12 PM
 What, by proving that the "Free Market Solution" for the healthcare crisis was a failure and that a public option is the only way to go about resolving it? Oh darn.
 
2013-11-27 02:30:42 AM
Nobody is even going to remember this little hiccup once almost everyone has health coverage.  It has been, what, less than 2 months since the rollout started?  FFS, people, it's just a goddamn website.  Sure it was a stupid problem to have, but it has zero relevance to the viability of the law as a whole, which is already helping a ton of people -- especially in states that are running their own exchanges.
 
2013-11-27 09:22:16 AM
You know, the whole recent issue with the ACA vs. corporations' "religious freedom" may have a silver lining. Suddenly, corporations now have human "consciences". This is farking brilliant (to borrow a phrase from Bono.)

Let's do it this way: If corporations wish to have the right to deny healthcare benefits on the basis of "conscience", then lets make the CEO's of corporations criminally liable for anything the corporation does that an individual would go to jail for. After all, they're the corporation's "conscience," right?
It's only fair.

Verizon allows a phone that's been reported as stolen to be used on their service? Put their CEO in jail for "theft by conversion" or being an accessory to theft, or conspiracy to commit theft or some such. They can't possibly claim to not know the phone's stolen.
 
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