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(WTAE)   Police seize two dozen guns, including assault weapons, rifles and handguns, along with tactical vests and drugs from house. And money. Maybe he's just a collector. Of stolen guns, drugs, and money   (wtae.com) divider line 52
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2013-11-26 10:04:29 AM
Time to get out those wacky tactical Christmas vests.
 
2013-11-26 10:06:11 AM
Out of curiosity, actual assault weapons (i.e. full-auto capable) or "assault weapons" as in cop bullshiat of the "ten hundred bajillion dollars of drugs (one ounce of pot) were recovered from the scene" variety?

They have a picture of a table full of guns, I just can't actually see 'em well enough to identify them or tell if they have fire selectors.

// Obviously the drugs indicate that this isn't innocent.
 
2013-11-26 10:06:45 AM
I'm guessing the lie on the 4473 was question e?
 
2013-11-26 10:10:45 AM
The shiat has hit the fan.
 
2013-11-26 10:11:09 AM

Jim_Callahan: Out of curiosity, actual assault weapons (i.e. full-auto capable) or "assault weapons" as in cop bullshiat of the "ten hundred bajillion dollars of drugs (one ounce of pot) were recovered from the scene" variety?

They have a picture of a table full of guns, I just can't actually see 'em well enough to identify them or tell if they have fire selectors.

// Obviously the drugs indicate that this isn't innocent.



Have to look at the pin holes.

A lot of lowers come with the safe/semi/auto roll mark around the selector.
 
Rat
2013-11-26 10:11:20 AM

Giltric: I'm guessing the lie on the 4473 was question e?


I had to go look that one up.  Good one!

©
 
2013-11-26 10:12:05 AM
see you at the party Richter

/read the article
 
2013-11-26 10:12:39 AM
Look, the Constitution guarantees us that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."  I don't see where it says those arms have to be legally acquired.
 
2013-11-26 10:15:35 AM
Putting aside all the issues about stolen guns...

Do you like to have an occasional toke of the marijuana that is either explicitly legal under your state's laws, or so lightly enforced as to be de facto legal, although not de jure legal?

Well, don't buy guns, or possess them, or even have a single round.  Under federal law, you're a prohibited person, and if you're not rich and connected, or not poor enough to have no assets worth taking, you're in federal felony trouble.  Even more so if they can find a 4473 with the check box marked, under penalty of perjury, that you're not a illegal drug user.  If they feel like prosecuting you, they've pretty much got a slam dunk case.

On the plus side, the inefficiency, incompetence and inconsistent operation of the federal bureaucracy is working in your favor.  Just don't count on those sterling qualities to work in your favor if you want something from the government.
 
2013-11-26 10:16:32 AM
This is a game called "The chair against the wall" where white people try to buy more firearms than one another.
 
2013-11-26 10:19:09 AM
Felon (illegal)  who lied on his gun application (illegal)  and acquired unauthorized firearms anyway (illegal) while possessing them in the commission of a felony(illegal).

Quick someone pass a gun control law!
 
2013-11-26 10:28:29 AM
A fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff
 
2013-11-26 10:29:02 AM
There's no proof he didn't legally acquire all his guns and then start using drugs later.
 
2013-11-26 10:32:15 AM

Jim_Callahan: Out of curiosity, actual assault weapons (i.e. full-auto capable) or "assault weapons" as in cop bullshiat of the "ten hundred bajillion dollars of drugs (one ounce of pot) were recovered from the scene" variety?

They have a picture of a table full of guns, I just can't actually see 'em well enough to identify them or tell if they have fire selectors.

// Obviously the drugs indicate that this isn't innocent.


At least one of the firearms is a TEC-DC9 which was, under the definition of the expired federal "assault weapons ban", an "assault weapon", because it is clearly far deadlier than a Glock 17.
 
2013-11-26 10:43:48 AM

Dimensio: At least one of the firearms is a TEC-DC9 which was, under the definition of the expired federal "assault weapons ban", an "assault weapon", because it is clearly far deadlier than a Glock 17


Clearly because...?  They're both 9mm, both short barreled, and both carry around 20 rounds.

AWB or no, a felon or person committing a felony possessing either one has always been illegal
 
2013-11-26 10:47:18 AM
Or maybe he's a fan of Warren Zevon?
 
2013-11-26 10:49:47 AM

CaptainBeer: Or maybe he's a fan of Warren Zevon?


His dad will get him out of this.
 
2013-11-26 11:11:33 AM

AngryDragon: Felon


Cite?

www.sopghreporter.com

GUN NUT.
 
2013-11-26 11:16:49 AM
More interested in the long guns in back of the round table.
 
2013-11-26 11:16:53 AM
If those 'black guns' aren't capable of firing on full auto .. Subby, that there is not an assault weapon.

A real and true 'Assault Weapon' is capable, on the Selector Switch .. of fully automatic fire. One trigger pull, one round is not an assault weapon.

Please watch the whole demonstration
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-11-26 11:26:28 AM

Jim_Callahan: Out of curiosity, actual assault weapons (i.e. full-auto capable) or "assault weapons" as in cop bullshiat of the "ten hundred bajillion dollars of drugs (one ounce of pot) were recovered from the scene" variety?


I think they were actual assault weapons as defined by law. (ie. not the NRA troll "assault weapons are full auto only" BS)
 
2013-11-26 11:32:05 AM

vpb: Jim_Callahan: Out of curiosity, actual assault weapons (i.e. full-auto capable) or "assault weapons" as in cop bullshiat of the "ten hundred bajillion dollars of drugs (one ounce of pot) were recovered from the scene" variety?

I think they were actual assault weapons as defined by law. (ie. not the NRA troll "assault weapons are full auto only" BS)


Which law defines "assault weapon", and how is the term defined?
 
2013-11-26 11:37:50 AM

2wolves: More interested in the long guns in back of the round table.


Notice how they stack the traditional sporting arms in the back and put the "scary" ones front and center. That actually looks like a pretty average accumulation for a gun guy, albeit one with slightly questionable taste. Hint: an "arsenal" would be large numbers of identical weapons and ammunition, intended to arm a group, not some guy with a bunch of hunting rifles and a couple of mall ninja'd AR's.
 
2013-11-26 11:39:40 AM
From a different article:

"Jonathan David Richter, 26, of 222 Hallock St., is charged with 10 counts of making false statements to purchase a firearm, seven counts of drug possession, three counts of possession with intent to deliver drugs, one count of receiving stolen property and one count of prohibited acts.

"We got a total of 24 weapons out of the house, pistols, assault rifles, shotguns," said Sgt. Chad O'Brien of Zone 3. "Some of the weapons even had suppressors on, silencers, which is something you don't see from collectors.
"

This could be very interesting if NFA items were actually involved.  It might finally prove that a felon has ever used a corporation or trust to gain access to NFA items as alleged.  Of course, none of the pictures show any suppressors so I doubt they existed.
 
2013-11-26 11:41:12 AM
He had some good stuff. Then the tec 9.
 
2013-11-26 11:42:27 AM
According to the NRA he's just exercising his 2nd Amendment rights and he's allowed to have those guns as a responsible gun owner.
 
2013-11-26 11:46:34 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: According to the NRA he's just exercising his 2nd Amendment rights and he's allowed to have those guns as a responsible gun owner.


Please provide a citation for this statement.
 
2013-11-26 11:51:15 AM

Click Click D'oh: From a different article:

"Jonathan David Richter, 26, of 222 Hallock St., is charged with 10 counts of making false statements to purchase a firearm, seven counts of drug possession, three counts of possession with intent to deliver drugs, one count of receiving stolen property and one count of prohibited acts.

"We got a total of 24 weapons out of the house, pistols, assault rifles, shotguns," said Sgt. Chad O'Brien of Zone 3. "Some of the weapons even had suppressors on, silencers, which is something you don't see from collectors."

This could be very interesting if NFA items were actually involved.  It might finally prove that a felon has ever used a corporation or trust to gain access to NFA items as alleged.  Of course, none of the pictures show any suppressors so I doubt they existed.


Pretty sure that's a suppressor lying on top of the camo scoped rifle. I think there may be one on the rifle on the table in the top-left too.
 
2013-11-26 11:56:47 AM

The Madd Mann: Pretty sure that's a suppressor lying on top of the camo scoped rifle. I think there may be one on the rifle on the table in the top-left too.


Yup, found them in the big picture:


www.post-gazette.com


Now I'm trying to see if I can find a match to a manufacturer to see if they're real or "barrel extensions"
 
2013-11-26 12:00:47 PM

Click Click D'oh: The Madd Mann: Pretty sure that's a suppressor lying on top of the camo scoped rifle. I think there may be one on the rifle on the table in the top-left too.

Yup, found them in the big picture:


[www.post-gazette.com image 850x850]


Now I'm trying to see if I can find a match to a manufacturer to see if they're real or "barrel extensions"


Can't tell you about the one on the rifle, but the other one appears to be a Ti-Rant .45 pistol suppressor. So it's real.

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-11-26 12:03:47 PM
Wow, people still use Tec-9's.
 
2013-11-26 12:05:06 PM
Good find.  I was looking at rifle suppressors, but judging from all the threaded pistols on the table, I think you've got it.
 
2013-11-26 12:08:42 PM

Clemkadidlefark: If those 'black guns' aren't capable of firing on full auto .. Subby, that there is not an assault weapon.

A real and true 'Assault Weapon' is capable, on the Selector Switch .. of fully automatic fire. One trigger pull, one round is not an assault weapon.


Wrong
Try again please.
 
2013-11-26 12:19:26 PM

Click Click D'oh: The Madd Mann: Pretty sure that's a suppressor lying on top of the camo scoped rifle. I think there may be one on the rifle on the table in the top-left too.

Yup, found them in the big picture:


[www.post-gazette.com image 850x850]


Now I'm trying to see if I can find a match to a manufacturer to see if they're real or "barrel extensions"


You're going to have a hell of a time matching them based on the picture. Suppressors are just black tubes with few cosmetic features. You would have to look at the serial number and any identification engraved on the cans.
There's probably a few more off camera, considering every handgun on the table has a threaded barrel but there's at the very least two different calibers between them.
 
2013-11-26 12:22:18 PM

Clemkadidlefark: If those 'black guns' aren't capable of firing on full auto .. Subby, that there is not an assault weapon.

A real and true 'Assault Weapon' is capable, on the Selector Switch .. of fully automatic fire. One trigger pull, one round is not an assault weapon.

An assault *weapon* is a firearm fitted out with features best suited for use in combat situations. This includes but is not limited to forward handgrips, pistol grips, carry slings designed to aid weapon control while firing in motions,barrel shrouds, "tactical" sights, illumination devices, quick change magazines, extended capacity magazines, and accessory rails designed for use with military weapons systems.

an assault *rifle* is a rifle that can switch between semi-automatic, burst and or full automatic fire modes.

Dimensio: 

At least one of the firearms is a TEC-DC9 which was, under the definition of the expired federal "assault weapons ban", an "assault weapon", because it is clearly far deadlier than a Glock 17.

In absolute terms, a camp axe is as deadly as a Glock 17.  However, the TEC-9 can carry more ammo and it is designed to be easier to hold for a point shooting position, so there is a claim to be made that it is more capable in certain situations than the Glock 17.

Be that as it may, think we can all agree that it is vital to our civil society that this responsible gun owner was able to acquire so many legal firearms for his hobby. Or it could be there's simply ben a rash of wild pigs around his area- we don't know for sure, but better safe than sorry.
 
2013-11-26 12:26:47 PM

Click Click D'oh: The Madd Mann: Pretty sure that's a suppressor lying on top of the camo scoped rifle. I think there may be one on the rifle on the table in the top-left too.

Yup, found them in the big picture:


[www.post-gazette.com image 850x850]


Now I'm trying to see if I can find a match to a manufacturer to see if they're real or "barrel extensions"


My god, man. That is enough weed in that jar for an entire joint. !!111!!!!!!
 
2013-11-26 12:28:28 PM
Pfft, that's what passes for an arsenal?
 
2013-11-26 12:33:42 PM

willfullyobscure: An assault *weapon* is a firearm fitted out with features best suited for use in combat situations.


No, an "assault weapon" is a redundant, gun control boogeyman that doesn't exist.
Simply putting accessories on a firearm doesn't change what type of firearm it is. a M1 Garand, a Barrett 82A1, and a AR-10/15/50 are all semi-automatic rifles no matter how many lights, slings, espresso makers, or robots you attach to them.
 
2013-11-26 12:35:54 PM

ChaosStar: willfullyobscure: An assault *weapon* is a firearm fitted out with features best suited for use in combat situations.

No, an "assault weapon" is a redundant, gun control boogeyman that doesn't exist.
Simply putting accessories on a firearm doesn't change what type of firearm it is. a M1 Garand, a Barrett 82A1, and a AR-10/15/50 are all semi-automatic rifles no matter how many lights, slings, espresso makers, or robots you attach to them.


FTFM
/bolt action
//typing faster than my brain
 
2013-11-26 12:36:03 PM
No lawyers?
 
2013-11-26 12:47:24 PM

willfullyobscure: An assault *weapon* is a firearm fitted out with features best suited for use in combat situations. This includes but is not limited to forward handgrips, pistol grips, carry slings designed to aid weapon control while firing in motions,barrel shrouds, "tactical" sights, illumination devices, quick change magazines, extended capacity magazines, and accessory rails designed for use with military weapons systems.


In other words, in order:
Ergonomic features
Ergonomic features
A strap with hooks on either end
Safety feature
Aiming feature
Flashlight
non-fixed magazine
non-fixed magazine
a piece of metal to attack all of above except magazines

None of these change how the firearm works any more than a big spoiler on a front wheel drive sedan and a turbo decal make a racecar.

I'll have to take exception to your belief that 'assault weapon' is anything other than a deliberate term of misinformation.  From the man who popularized the term:

"Assault weapons-just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms-are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons-anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun-can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons."
-Josh Sugarmann, Assault Weapons and Accessories in America, 1988

Note his explicit intention to take advantage of public ignorance to conflate heavily regulated and controlled items like machine guns with things that look like machine guns, but are not.  He knows better, but he hopes you don't, because if you're ignorant, what he says might sound reasonable.  If you have a little bit of factual information, you can immediately see where things don't make sense.

Based on the random, inconsistent and constantly changing definition of 'assault weapon', we can infer that the term means only one thing: "gun I want to ban, especially if I couldn't get it in the last ban".
 
Rat
2013-11-26 12:51:12 PM
If anything, his taste in optics is superb.

©
 
2013-11-26 01:01:26 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: AngryDragon: Felon

Cite?

[www.sopghreporter.com image 850x583]

GUN NUT.


I own more guns than that, and I am not a gun nut....
 
2013-11-26 01:31:46 PM

ChaosStar: willfullyobscure: An assault *weapon* is a firearm fitted out with features best suited for use in combat situations.

Simply putting accessories on a firearm doesn't change what type of firearm it is. a M1 Garand, a Barrett 82A1, and a AR-10/15/50 are all semi-automatic rifles no matter how many lights, slings, espresso makers, or robots you attach to them.


Then why do US troops carry them into battle looking like that? Conversely, why does the army issue Remington 700s to snipers without all that goo all over them?   They're features, not My Little Pony stickers. They make the gun easier to use in close combat situations. Otherwise we'd still go to war with Ottoman jezails and M1 Garands.


plausdeny: willfullyobscure: An assault *weapon* is a firearm fitted out with features best suited for use in combat situations. This includes but is not limited to forward handgrips, pistol grips, carry slings designed to aid weapon control while firing in motions,barrel shrouds, "tactical" sights, illumination devices, quick change magazines, extended capacity magazines, and accessory rails designed for use with military weapons systems.

In other words, in order:
Ergonomic features
Ergonomic features
A strap with hooks on either end
Safety feature
Aiming feature
Flashlight
non-fixed magazine
non-fixed magazine
a piece of metal to attack all of above except magazines

None of these change how the firearm works any more than a big spoiler on a front wheel drive sedan and a turbo decal make a racecar.


find me a race car driver that thinks his ergo controls, visibility and safety features and customizable controls are cosmetic. Go on. I'll wait.

You people seem awfully defensive about the choice of firearms made by a drug dealing psychopath. It's almost as if you know these things should never have been a part of civilian life but for some reason you can't admit it.
 
2013-11-26 01:54:05 PM
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Hey, I'm just a jar of weed.
What am I doing on a table full of guns?
I don't know nothing about no gun laws.

I'm just a jar of weed.
Smoke me.
You'll relax, you can watch Adventure Time on YouTube, maybe text a friend, chill out.
Can I go now?
 
2013-11-26 02:44:27 PM

willfullyobscure: why does the army issue Remington 700s to snipers without all that goo all over them


They issue them Remington 700s without scopes?
 
2013-11-26 02:47:08 PM

willfullyobscure: Then why do US troops carry them into battle looking like that? Conversely, why does the army issue Remington 700s to snipers without all that goo all over them? They're features, not My Little Pony stickers. They make the gun easier to use in close combat situations. Otherwise we'd still go to war with Ottoman jezails and M1 Garands.



No, they are not features, they are accessories and pray tell how a barrel shroud makes a gun easier to use in CQB? Or, while we're at it, a sling? It's not Call of Duty you know.
For that matter, a lot of the accessories the standard infantrymen carry into battle they purchase themselves, fancy sights and other toys come out of their own wallets.
Army snipers use a few different rifles, none of which are the Remington 700 you go down to your local Walmart and pick up. Some are not even based on the Rem. 700 receiver (the M110 being one), so I don't know what your point is. I also fail to see what accessory you're going to use will make a bolt action rifle better for CQB.
No, honestly, you gave yourself away with your first sentence; "looking like that", showing you only see aesthetics and the actual function be damned. It looks scary so it must be military use only!
 
2013-11-26 02:49:18 PM

willfullyobscure: Then why do US troops carry them into battle looking like that?


Take a look at most military rifles and you'll find a lot less crap on them than your average mall ninja AR-15

willfullyobscure: Conversely, why does the army issue Remington 700s to snipers without all that goo all over them?


Huh?

olive-drab.com

willfullyobscure: Otherwise we'd still go to war with Ottoman jezails and M1 Garands.


You know they still use M-14s right?
 
2013-11-26 02:52:33 PM

ChaosStar: No, they are not features, they are accessories and pray tell how a barrel shroud makes a gun easier to use in CQB?


The original barrel shroud:

media.liveauctiongroup.net
 
2013-11-26 03:03:03 PM

ChaosStar: a lot of the accessories the standard infantrymen carry into battle they purchase themselves, fancy sights and other toys come out of their own wallets.


Bingo.
 
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