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(Daily Mail)   Drinking doesn't make you fat. It's SCIENCE   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 79
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2013-11-25 07:57:08 PM  
Science makes me fat. Got it... thanks!
 
2013-11-25 08:23:30 PM  
I read that as: Drinking is science.
 
2013-11-25 08:53:42 PM  
Well, no. A glass of wine now and then isn't going to make you fat.

But if you're downing a six pack of beer every night, you're gonna get fat.
 
2013-11-25 09:31:29 PM  
Thank god.

I'm sure it's not the drinking, but the falling asleep afterwards, that makes me fat.
 
2013-11-25 09:32:04 PM  
Science did not make me fat...
 
2013-11-25 09:32:41 PM  
Awesome!

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2013-11-25 09:35:08 PM  

Shostie: Well, no. A glass of wine now and then isn't going to make you fat.

But if you're downing a six pack of beer every night, you're gonna get fat.


Not if you don't eat much.  I've done experiments and studies.  Granted, they weren't controlled or documents nor was there a large sample size and I was drunk most of the time, but you can actually drink that much beer and even more and lose weight.

Then again, anyone who gets their science from the Daily Mail should probably consider the above paragraph to be a peer reviewed doctorate thesis.
 
2013-11-25 09:35:22 PM  
I get all my sciencey stuff from some online rag that quotes some idiot that didn't go to college but has opinions.  Don't you??
 
2013-11-25 09:39:27 PM  

alaric3: I read that as: Drinking is science.


Well, you're not wrong.
 
2013-11-25 09:40:13 PM  
It does do the making of the mother of the submitter of this to appear as the less unattractive as the person. LAUGHTER OL THIS IS THE JOKINGS. Nothing will provide the beauty to the bigger person who did the vaginal firing out of the cervical cannon to submitter of this.
 
2013-11-25 09:40:44 PM  
It's calories in - calories out. That is it.
 
2013-11-25 09:41:50 PM  
Alcohol has more calories per gram than sugar or protien. If you are a heavy drinker you are either fat or you eat very little.

Thermodynamics, how does it work?
 
2013-11-25 09:43:52 PM  
Alright, Borat.
 
2013-11-25 09:45:59 PM  

oldwolf49: I get all my sciencey stuff from some online rag that quotes some idiot that didn't go to college but has opinions.  Don't you??


As long as they confirm my suspicions, sure!
 
2013-11-25 09:46:14 PM  
Calories are calories, regardless of where they come from. You take in more than you burn, you gain weight. It's that simple.
 
2013-11-25 09:46:36 PM  
Of course it doesn't. Drinking leads to dancing. The more you drink, the more manic and frenzied your dance moves become. This burns a fark ton of calories, as does climbing up on top of the speakers and table tops.
 
2013-11-25 09:47:06 PM  
Drinking gravy made my Aunt fat.
 
2013-11-25 09:49:27 PM  

Shostie: Well, no. A glass of wine now and then isn't going to make you fat.

But if you're downing a six pack of beer every night, you're gonna get fat.


TFA addresses that. According to TFA's reading of lots of scientific research, the way your body processes different foods into glucose makes you fat, not calories. We break some substances down differently. Beer contains a lot of maltose, which is incredibly fattening. Wine and spirits don't get converted to glucose at all, so they're not fattening.

I've been saying this for a while- it's not the alcohol in beer that makes you fat, it's the sugars. This isn't as revolutionary as TFA claims, but it is something a lot of people don't recognize. Want to diet? Drink lots of whiskey.
 
2013-11-25 09:50:31 PM  

machoprogrammer: It's calories in - calories out. That is it.


Came here to say this.  It's funny how much resistance I get from people on this;  women who have suffered every diet fad known to man, dieticians that don't want their professions marginalized.

Also, the calories come from the alcohol content.  Light beers have less calories than the 5-8% varieties.
 
2013-11-25 09:50:36 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk
Huh? Oh, sorry, was there an article we were supposed to read with this?
 
2013-11-25 09:51:53 PM  
It doesn't if you throw it back up. Learned that at college.

/not much else
 
2013-11-25 09:52:42 PM  
Weight control is nothing more than a game of calories in and calories out. Consistently eat at a caloric deficit and you will eventually lose weight! Eat above your required intake and eventually you will gain weight!

/Clearly none of us listen to these simple truths because so many of us are fat
/Maybe we just don't care
 
2013-11-25 09:53:37 PM  

Shostie: Well, no. A glass of wine now and then isn't going to make you fat.

But if you're downing a six pack of beer every night, you're gonna get fat.


I'm still good with a fifth of vodka a night, though, right?
 
2013-11-25 09:54:23 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Calories are calories, regardless of where they come from. You take in more than you burn, you gain weight. It's that simple.


Well, no, it's not, and TFA quotes lots of scientific research that shows that. The calories are calories thing simply isn't true- our metabolism simply does not break down all substances in the same way. Calories are measured by putting things in a furnace to see how much energy they release when burned. Trouble is, that's not how we process food- we break it down by various chemical means, and we use different means for different foods, and convert some very differently and some much more efficiently than others.

Just remember, for every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. It's never "that simple". The world is complicated. Respect that. Sometimes it's appropriate to simplify things where the complexities don't really apply to any given situation, or average out in most cases. But you can't pretend the complexities don't exist.
 
2013-11-25 09:54:31 PM  
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1964 called...
 
2013-11-25 09:56:05 PM  
This is the best news I've read in a long time. Even if it's sensationalist clickbait claptrap, I choose to take it as Truth and increase my alcohol intake by a minimum of 50%. For science.

/and I'll do it, too
//just watch me
 
2013-11-25 09:56:14 PM  
Its not really the calories, its the amount of liver processing time it takes up. Your liver can only get rid of toxins so fast. If its busy burning alcohol, fat won't be processed and will be reabsorbed back into the bloodstream. Regardless of the long-term effects, if you're trying to lose weight, you're way better off cutting out drinking than exercising or calorie counting alone. That being said, yay, alcohol every day!
 
2013-11-25 09:57:30 PM  

vactech: It's funny how much resistance I get from people on this


That would be because it's a gross oversimplification, and ignores that what type of food you put in affects how many calories you wind up burning, and that the chemical processes we use to break down food amazingly don't actually work exactly the same on every chemical structure on the planet.

It's not that simple. The world is never that simple. Claiming that it is makes you look like a dumbass who can't process complexity.
 
2013-11-25 09:57:31 PM  
Empty calories and long stretches on a bar stool make you fat.  As usual the Daily Fail is full of crap.

/Drew has to play a lot of soccor matches to work off all that beer.
 
2013-11-25 09:58:55 PM  
For those worried about drinking making you fat, keep drinking and soon you wont be worried.
 
2013-11-25 09:59:27 PM  

max_pooper: Alcohol has more calories per gram than sugar or protien. If you are a heavy drinker you are either fat or you eat very little.

Thermodynamics, how does it work?


thermowhatsics?
 
2013-11-25 10:00:50 PM  

max_pooper: Alcohol has more calories per gram than sugar or protien. If you are a heavy drinker you are either fat or you eat very little.


While alcohol has 7 calories per gram, typically one consumes a diluted mixture, generally not more than 40%. A 40% ethanol/water mixture would have 3 calories per gram, less than are in carbohydrates or protein.
 
2013-11-25 10:06:16 PM  

cptjeff: vactech: It's funny how much resistance I get from people on this

That would be because it's a gross oversimplification, and ignores that what type of food you put in affects how many calories you wind up burning, and that the chemical processes we use to break down food amazingly don't actually work exactly the same on every chemical structure on the planet.

It's not that simple. The world is never that simple. Claiming that it is makes you look like a dumbass who can't process complexity.


You can call me a dumbass. That's fine.

I think the most effective diet that will serve the world best, (myself included), are simple ones, a low calorie diet.  I'm smart because I advocate that which is effective.

But again, I may be a dumbass.  Why is alcohol content not important?  Do are bodies just burn up the alcohol better, or something?
 
2013-11-25 10:12:31 PM  
she bloated me with science

/blottoed?
 
2013-11-25 10:15:01 PM  

oldwolf49: I get all my sciencey stuff from some online rag that quotes some idiot that didn't go to college but has opinions.  Don't you??


Are you a lawyer for a patent troll?  Cause I was reading this story earlier today where the lawyer was trying to discredit Diffie of Diffie Hellman by suggesting he wasn't an expert in encryption because he never finished his Masters.

Personally I see a correlation between people who defend their opinion by citing their education and their opinion being made out of fetid crap.
 
2013-11-25 10:15:35 PM  
The fat people I know have two things in common:

They eat a lot.

They never exercise.
 
2013-11-25 10:16:18 PM  
Thank you  cptjeff, i didnt want to have to type out a whole spiel about the krebs cycle and glycogenesis, but i was going to...
 
2013-11-25 10:16:25 PM  
Don;t know what to say Im just so Happy about this

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2013-11-25 10:17:13 PM  

meow said the dog: It does do the making of the mother of the submitter of this to appear as the less unattractive as the person. LAUGHTER OL THIS IS THE JOKINGS. Nothing will provide the beauty to the bigger person who did the vaginal firing out of the cervical cannon to submitter of this.


MAN I've missed you now that I'm in liter-land.  I hope the things of life are positively charged
 
2013-11-25 10:18:08 PM  
I guess this might be true if you are the kind of person that has one drink. I don't know anyone like that.
 
2013-11-25 10:18:33 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Calories are calories, regardless of where they come from. You take in more than you burn, you gain weight. It's that simple.


That is true, but in such a superficial way that it is basically useless, because those quantities are almost impossible to accurately measure. Your body cannot absorb or metabolize every calorie you ingest. I suppose you could poop into a calorimiter to gauge the efficiency of your digestion, but most people aren't going to do that. Furthermore, some food calories require an expense of energy to turn them into a usable form (i.e. glucose). This is how people can starve to death on an all-protein diet regardless of how many calories they get.

That said, I drink a lot of beer and my waistline is expanding at an alarming rate.
 
2013-11-25 10:19:19 PM  

Enigmamf: max_pooper: Alcohol has more calories per gram than sugar or protien. If you are a heavy drinker you are either fat or you eat very little.

While alcohol has 7 calories per gram, typically one consumes a diluted mixture, generally not more than 40%. A 40% ethanol/water mixture would have 3 calories per gram, less than are in carbohydrates or protein.


Maybe my logic is off here, but diluted or not, you are consuming the calories.  In other words, lower calories per gram, but higher volume.

I think a light beer has about 90-120 calories, so drinking 10 would be about 1000 calories.  You could water them down (yuck!), but you'd still be consuming 1000 calories. no?
 
2013-11-25 10:23:55 PM  

machoprogrammer: It's calories in - calories out. That is it.


Plus entropy?
 
2013-11-25 10:24:51 PM  

revrendjim: This is how people can starve to death on an all-protein diet regardless of how many calories they get.


But my thinking is that this isn't going to be a problem for the average person.  I still think portion size should be the starting focus.  Diet variation, is probably a really low "2nd" place problem for people with weight concerns.
 
2013-11-25 10:27:10 PM  

vactech: Why is alcohol content not important? Do are bodies just burn up the alcohol better, or something?


No, they're really crappy at converting it into energy. We create energy by converting food into glucose, which our cells burn when they need energy. When you're not using the energy, excess glucose gets turned into fat and stored until later.

Your body is really crappy at turning alcohol into glucose. The rest is broken down into other chemicals by your liver, which your cells can burn off, but they can't do it well, nor can they convert it into fat easily.

Glucose in, glucose out is where your focus should be. And most food gets broken down into glucose, but at different rates. Generally, calories in is a pretty good guide because of that. Protein gets broken down a lot slower than carbs, which is why you get much more lasting energy from your breakfast when you eat eggs rather than lucky charms, but it all turns into glucose. But alcohol is broken down by your liver precisely because it can't go through that normal digestive process. Beer contains lots of sugars that do get turned into glucose. Spirits have a pretty insignificant amount, as does wine, so those aren't going to affect you too much. The gin and tonic I'm having right now might add to my waistline, but it's the nutritional content of the tonic I have to worry about.
 
2013-11-25 10:29:07 PM  

revrendjim: That said, I drink a lot of beer and my waistline is expanding at an alarming rate.


Switch to an equivalent volume of whiskey. You'll gain less weight.
 
2013-11-25 10:38:22 PM  
Everyone knows that drinking doesn't make you fat, it's the damned drunk munchies that do.

I keep it off by not eating during benders, and even then I have to work out hard after. Alcohol farks up your metabolic systems in complex ways, especially as you get older.

vactech: machoprogrammer: It's calories in - calories out. That is it.

Came here to say this.  It's funny how much resistance I get from people on this;  women who have suffered every diet fad known to man, dieticians that don't want their professions marginalized.

Also, the calories come from the alcohol content.  Light beers have less calories than the 5-8% varieties.


That only applies to shiatty American macrobrews. Micros have a lot more malts, and even fake craft beer like Blue Moon has quite a bit. Wheat beer is NOT something to drink on a diet. This is also the time of year for stouts, porters, and other heavy brews, all of which are off the scale on the sugars front. Your typical imperial chocolate stout could easily compete head to head with a vodka cranberry for straight sugar content.

A typical IPA is very low-sugar, the yeasts having eaten most of it up, but doubles or triples are quite a bit maltier (and too syrupy for me). Have to add more to get the alcohol content up with regular yeast strains. Black IPAs and Lagers are also made with extra malts. And those damned Belgian-style quads? You might as well stuff a slice of cheesecake in your mouth.
 
2013-11-25 10:41:20 PM  
Drinking does make me fat, or feel fat in a way. Not from the beer itself. But from all the damn pizza I eat. Or if I drink on an empty stomach cause I feel bloated and get the beer shiats the next day.
 
2013-11-25 10:42:34 PM  

RookStar: Drinking does make me fat, or feel fat in a way. Not from the beer itself. But from all the damn pizza I eat. Or if I drink on an empty stomach cause and I feel bloated and get the beer shiats the next day.


FTFM
/drinking
 
2013-11-25 10:47:31 PM  

revrendjim: Furthermore, some food calories require an expense of energy to turn them into a usable form (i.e. glucose). This is how people can starve to death on an all-protein diet regardless of how many calories they get.


You end up with renal failure long before that happens, unless you're already a freak 2% fat body sculptor. Proteins are weird because they're also not entirely processed by the gut, they're partially filtered through the kidneys. Bubbly piss often means you have way too much free protein in your body and it's stressing out your kidneys.
 
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