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(CNN)   Final report on Sandy Hook shooting issued. Unsurprisingly, the shooter was obsessed with mass shootings and video games; one video game in particular that he would spend 10 hours or more a day on. Guess which one   (cnn.com) divider line 317
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2013-11-26 05:26:20 PM

Mitrovarr: shortymac: A lot of people blame the Mom and forget she was his first victim. She was also left alone to deal with a highly-dysfunctional child for over a decade by herself, Daddy and Big Bro checked out a long time ago. Even with her money she couldn't commit him or force him into therapy/medication. Many people with his condition end up on the streets because families can't deal with them.

I would normally have sympathy, but she spent years giving a person with severe mental illnesses advanced firearm training (even if the prepper bit is in question, I don't think the gun-range bit is). Also, she failed to secure her guns from him. That is criminally irresponsible and enabled this to happen.


I don't think it's criminal irresponsible because Adam had no history of violence (that we know of) up until that morning.

Moreover, the vast majority of autistics don't have violent tenancies so there's no warning signs when he got diagnosed in 2005 and none of the mental health experts he saw foresaw this. (Daily Mail article)

The shooting range was one of the few activities Adam enjoyed and would leave the house for, the "firearms training" is a desperate Mom's attempt to socialize her severely withdrawn son.

IMHO, Adam had Autism, OCD, and probably paranoid schizophrenia. However, since isolation and withdrawal from society are symptoms of both severe autism AND paranoid schizophrenia, there where no warning signs of some greater illness at play.

/Hindsight is 20/20
//My autistic brother has firearms training too
 
2013-11-26 05:42:32 PM

Moonfisher: People_are_Idiots: ongbok: People_are_Idiots: HighlanderRPI: Pictures from the Lanza Collection

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N64 & Dreamcast - clearly there were signs

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Pft... Amateur...

You go through a lot of lotion and tissues, don't you? Hell with all of that lotion you have to buy you can't afford a gun.

Nope, I collect video game systems. It's literally a museum.

Moonfisher: I bet that room smells really musky.

Actually, I had to fix it up. Still a work in progress, but at least the horrible smell of death is gone (my mom passed away in that room... :( )

:(   I was suspecting man-musk, not dearly departed mother musk.  I'm so sorry to hear that.


It's allright. I was glad she passed peacefully like she did, still tears me up a bit around Christmas. Didn't have another use for the room, so... media room, complete with every game system I have hooked up.
 
2013-11-26 05:46:32 PM

Warlordtrooper: tetsoushima: Warlordtrooper: doubled99: See??? He had Aspergers. He had a disability and should be pitied, not despised.

I have Aspergers,  he should have received good mental help before it even got to this point.  but no, nobody in this country wants to even talk about the issue of mental illness.

In your mind, what would constitute a "good conversation" about mental health issues?

Well for starters funding for treatments for people who need it in order to be productive members of society.


To be clear, the original intent of my question was, "How can we have good conversations about mental heath care in the United States?"  In other words, your answer threw me because it was a specific topic, but I'm willing to participate.
 
Focusing on the Sandy Hook Shooting:  In the Newtown area there was and is significant funding given to mental health services by state, federal, and private interests. The university Adam Lanza went to has its own counseling center with several licensed therapists on staff and is free to all students.  Danbury Hospital, which is less than one mile from where he went to university (about 8-10 miles from Sandy Hook), has a full-time crisis intervention unit and mental health ward.  In this particular case, I don't think it was a matter of poor treatment due to lack of insurance or proper funding, but rather a dangerous and unstable individual who showed few outward warning signs (other than to his mother) prior to his violent outburst.  I'm not sure how better funding would have prevented this scenario.

Widening the scope of the this conversation, it is important to note that northern Fairfield County, CT is relatively well-off with most residents having access to healthcare services.  It is extremely probable that there are programs which could prevent individuals with mental issues from violent actions with increased funding in numerous locales.  Moreover, funding a program is only part of the financial difficulty of mental healthcare in the United States, the other part being insurance or the lack thereof on the part of the patient.
 
2013-11-26 05:51:08 PM

pedrop357: shortymac: pedrop357: Just Dance is better than Dance Central


/Might be obscure

Nothing is obscure on FARK

Prove it.


Ok, I bet you can guess where this is from...
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2013-11-26 05:57:28 PM

People_are_Idiots: pedrop357: shortymac: pedrop357: Just Dance is better than Dance Central


/Might be obscure

Nothing is obscure on FARK

Prove it.

Ok, I bet you can guess where this is from...
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Hey, I didn't say that nothing was obscure.  It looks eerily familiar, but I have no idea where it's from.

The thing I'm referencing that statement is fairly new.
 
2013-11-26 06:30:17 PM

shortymac: /Hindsight is 20/20
//My autistic brother has firearms training too


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2013-11-26 07:09:59 PM

People_are_Idiots: pedrop357: shortymac: pedrop357: Just Dance is better than Dance Central


/Might be obscure

Nothing is obscure on FARK

Prove it.

Ok, I bet you can guess where this is from...
[static.tumblr.com image 460x307]


Is it starcrash?
 
2013-11-26 07:33:37 PM

Mitrovarr: shortymac: A lot of people blame the Mom and forget she was his first victim. She was also left alone to deal with a highly-dysfunctional child for over a decade by herself, Daddy and Big Bro checked out a long time ago. Even with her money she couldn't commit him or force him into therapy/medication. Many people with his condition end up on the streets because families can't deal with them.

I would normally have sympathy, but she spent years giving a person with severe mental illnesses advanced firearm training (even if the prepper bit is in question, I don't think the gun-range bit is). Also, she failed to secure her guns from him. That is criminally irresponsible and enabled this to happen.


This. I have a mentally ill brother who is completely non violent. And no way in hell would I let him near a gun. And if I found out he had access to a gun, I would do whatever I could to take that access away. Because even though he has never been violent in the past, mental illness is unpredictable, and no one can guarantee that he won't be in the future.

I'm sorry for mom's circumstance, but she was a friggin' dumbass.
 
2013-11-26 07:46:35 PM

shortymac: People_are_Idiots: pedrop357: shortymac: pedrop357: Just Dance is better than Dance Central


/Might be obscure

Nothing is obscure on FARK

Prove it.

Ok, I bet you can guess where this is from...
[static.tumblr.com image 460x307]

Is it starcrash?


Close.. ;) It's prolly equally as bad.
 
2013-11-26 07:50:04 PM

Godscrack: [imageshack.us image 612x765]

Also discovered as his laptop wallpaper.


I said it before, but damn, that's hypnotic. Should have been a Photoshop contest.
 
2013-11-26 09:12:44 PM

grokca: [img.fark.net image 634x415]
It was obviously the vain attempts to stop ceiling cat from watching him masturbate that drove him over the edge.


lawls
 
2013-11-26 11:26:24 PM

namegoeshere: Mitrovarr: shortymac: A lot of people blame the Mom and forget she was his first victim. She was also left alone to deal with a highly-dysfunctional child for over a decade by herself, Daddy and Big Bro checked out a long time ago. Even with her money she couldn't commit him or force him into therapy/medication. Many people with his condition end up on the streets because families can't deal with them.

I would normally have sympathy, but she spent years giving a person with severe mental illnesses advanced firearm training (even if the prepper bit is in question, I don't think the gun-range bit is). Also, she failed to secure her guns from him. That is criminally irresponsible and enabled this to happen.

This. I have a mentally ill brother who is completely non violent. And no way in hell would I let him near a gun. And if I found out he had access to a gun, I would do whatever I could to take that access away. Because even though he has never been violent in the past, mental illness is unpredictable, and no one can guarantee that he won't be in the future.

I'm sorry for mom's circumstance, but she was a friggin' dumbass.


A diagnosis of Autism isn't seen as a "mental illness" but as a disability (at least colloquially).

ADHD is considered a mental illness too, shall we ban them from access to guns too?  What about women with Premenstrual dysphoric disorder (severe PMS)?

Mental illness is an extremely broad term.
 
2013-11-26 11:28:49 PM

shortymac: What about women with Premenstrual dysphoric disorder (severe PMS)?

Mental illness is an extremely broad term.


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2013-11-26 11:29:50 PM

People_are_Idiots: pedrop357: shortymac: pedrop357: Just Dance is better than Dance Central


/Might be obscure

Nothing is obscure on FARK

Prove it.

Ok, I bet you can guess where this is from...
[static.tumblr.com image 460x307]


I had the misfortune to see this in theaters.  Space Raiders.

Recycled VFX from Battle Beyond the Stars and all.
 
2013-11-26 11:43:22 PM

freewill: The first strong warning sign I got that a friend's adult son probably had undiagnosed Asperger's came at a Thai restaurant. He'd been acting belligerent when we told him where we were going. He usually insisted on pizza or hamburgers in almost all cases, which I had taken to be some intense immaturity, but I'd never really thought there was anything "wrong".

When we got there, he was sitting there angry, and finally said he was not going to order anything because he "can't eat any of this stuff". I asked him what he meant, they were all common ingredients, and he went through a laundry list of things he "doesn't eat": eggs, broccoli, peanuts, green peppers, rice, etc. It was like Bubba on Forrest Gump talking about shrimp, except it was every food. I managed to talk him into trying a chicken satay appetizer because it was just chicken breast on a stick, and he grumbled for several minutes about it coming with sauce before he decided he could eat that.

It was only later that day that I realized he had almost every symptom of Asperger's, and that this was probably why he acted so suspicious when I suggested a wedge salad at another restaurant in the past. (Almost in a panic, "WHAT IS IT?" "It's a wedge of iceberg lettuce with bacon and blue cheese dressing." "IS THAT ALL?" as if I might be forgetting to mention the cyanide.)

As I understand it, people with Asperger's are often very dependent on routine and have an extremely linear way of thinking that makes it difficult for them to accept new, different ideas once they get an idea in place. This can come out in things like school work (learning one way of doing a math problem, and forever refusing to believe that any other way of solving it could possibly be right and thinking that people who do it differently are wrong), but I guess it's also common for it to come out in an extremely limited diet. They might identify a select few things as "food", and when they're introduced to things that they do not consider fo ...


Pretty sure I don't have Asperger's, but novel food is really, really hard for me to stomach.  Basically, the first time I have a particular dish, it's all I can do to avoid gagging or vomiting (yes, this makes it very hard to go over to people's houses to eat!)  It probably takes me a dozen times or more of eating something to "train" myself to tolerate it.  And often, when I do, I actually really end up enjoying the food, but it takes me a long time to get over the initial revulsion.  As might be expected, I tend to have a narrow diet, because while I can and do get over it, most of the time I don't feel like fighting the battle, especially when the first time I can usually only manage a dozen bites before the risk of actually vomiting gets too high, so I end up fairly miserable and hungry again as soon as the nausea passes.
 
2013-11-27 01:26:11 AM

shortymac: A diagnosis of Autism isn't seen as a "mental illness" but as a disability (at least colloquially).

ADHD is considered a mental illness too, shall we ban them from access to guns too? What about women with Premenstrual dysphoric disorder (severe PMS)?

Mental illness is an extremely broad term.


Autism isn't a mental illness exactly, but it interferes with behavior and judgment in much the same ways. I think it'd be incredibly irresponsible to give any but the most mildly affected autistic individual a gun, or firearm training. Plus, with the 'lacking empathy' description and other behaviors, I think he had a bunch of serious mental illnesses in addition to (or perhaps instead of) autism.

As far as other disorders, you'd have to use your judgment as to who is safe with guns and who isn't, but some cases are obviously unsuitable to own firearms or receive training. Schizophrenia and antisocial personality disorder are the most immediate, obvious ones. Some disorders probably justify it in some cases but not others (bipolar, depression, borderline or narcissistic personality, etc.) There are thorny ethical issues involved in letting the government decide this, but the mom should have known better.
 
2013-11-27 01:36:13 AM

Brunnen-G: People_are_Idiots: pedrop357: shortymac: pedrop357: Just Dance is better than Dance Central


/Might be obscure

Nothing is obscure on FARK

Prove it.

Ok, I bet you can guess where this is from...
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I had the misfortune to see this in theaters.  Space Raiders.

Recycled VFX from Battle Beyond the Stars and all.


You mean it -wasn't- direct to video? Oh my god I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy.
 
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