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(Des Moines Register)   Today's parental outrage story comes from Ankeny, Iowa after a ninth-grader's mother browses through his assigned copy of Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close   (desmoinesregister.com) divider line 69
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2013-11-25 07:53:03 PM
A novel with 9/11 and a Dresden survivor in it that includes profanity and violence? Who would have thought it?
 
2013-11-25 07:59:26 PM
I was going to be all outraged until: "Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close," published in 2005, continues to be available in the school library, she noted.

It's still available to read, it's just not required classroom reading.
 
2013-11-25 08:09:26 PM
Someday these parents will figure out that the very best way to guarantee that their children will read a particular book is to forbid them to read it.
 
2013-11-25 08:15:48 PM
10th grade honors English.

Your kids have all had sex. They all play video games where they get to murder hundreds of people. They've all seen the vilest, most degrading, most confusing pornography the combined forces of German and Japan can create, yet this, THIS this your line in the sand?
 
2013-11-25 08:33:32 PM
I can see pulling it from a 9th grade English class.  You have to give students books that are age-appropriate.  For example, my third self-help book, "How to Bang College Women without using Roofies" is clearly meant for a more mature audience.  My first self-help book, "Look What Fell Out of my Pants! Obtain Sexytime with Inappropriate Humor" is obviously better for the junior high crowd.
 
2013-11-25 09:26:38 PM
That makes me so f*cking mad I could chop someone's dick off with a rusty hatchet.
 
2013-11-25 09:26:40 PM
Yeah, the original Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn were banned in my school when I was in grade school.  It had the "n" word in it.  Rural Indiana, all white.  BS to any and all who ban any books for any reason.
 
2013-11-25 09:28:01 PM
When I was in 6th grade the parents of the Jesus-freak kids got Sword of Shannara pulled because of "witchcraft."
 
2013-11-25 09:29:51 PM
Yeah, they should just read nice novels like we did.  You know, Of Mice and Men, Catcher in the Rye, Black Like Me, Watership Down.
 
2013-11-25 09:33:09 PM
American Library Association, which tracks challenged, restricted, removed and banned books.

There should be no such thing as restricted, removed or banned books.
 
2013-11-25 09:33:10 PM
Kids still read books in school. Huh... neat.
 
2013-11-25 09:35:54 PM

tzzhc4: American Library Association, which tracks challenged, restricted, removed and banned books.

There should be no such thing as restricted, removed or banned books.


Some people love to carry their little Constitutions around, folded up in their wallets. Their lack of  curiosity is mind numbing.
 
2013-11-25 09:37:40 PM
There is a special place in hell for parents like this.
 
2013-11-25 09:37:55 PM
There was a book version of "Watership Down"?

Yikes.
 
2013-11-25 09:41:40 PM

Gyrfalcon: That makes me so f*cking mad I could chop someone's dick off with a rusty hatchet.


For some reason, for quite a while I've had you Farkied as "Fun Obvious Murderer".

Getting a kick. And suchlike.
 
2013-11-25 09:41:52 PM

studebaker hoch: There was a book version of "Watership Down"?

Yikes.


There was something other than a book called "Watership Down"?
 
2013-11-25 09:47:49 PM

studebaker hoch: There was a book version of "Watership Down"?

Yikes.


O_o
 
2013-11-25 09:48:29 PM

tzzhc4: American Library Association, which tracks challenged, restricted, removed and banned books.

There should be no such thing as restricted, removed or banned books.


Didn't they ban that bomb making book a few years ago?  I mean, it's still on the internet somewhere but I thought it was just gone gone.  It's not even referenced on wiki.
 
2013-11-25 09:49:26 PM

studebaker hoch: There was a book version of "Watership Down"?

Yikes.


Yea, and most of the time it was intensely boring and read like a weather report. The other parts of the time were all MURDER DEATH KILL BUNNIES, like that 70's animated version that gives any even semi-sane person nightmares.

/Seriously, don't watch that movie on drugs
 
2013-11-25 09:50:04 PM

Rapmaster2000: When I was in 6th grade the parents of the Jesus-freak kids got Sword of Shannara pulled because of "witchcraft."


That is an outrage! It should have been pulled way earlier for the shiatty, shiatty writing.
 
2013-11-25 09:55:21 PM
Book banning is stupid.
Parents who challenge an English Teacher's choice of books can do better than this. Unless it's "Sex-Ed Teacher's Closet Full of Boy Toys" by I.M. Cumming they should just leave well enough alone or home-school their little sheltered snowflakes.

Seriously. How about making sure your kid is morally upright enough to survive exposure to such filth? How about being a parent instead of asking the school district to do it.
 
2013-11-25 10:03:57 PM
Your snowflake was always going to be a pussy, now its going to be an illiterate pussy.  Keep your crotch fruit away from me.
 
2013-11-25 10:05:07 PM
Mothers should never be allowed near your homework.

Give it to your Father to do. He'll just pretend he read the textbook. Your marks will be poor, but you'll have half the trouble when they show up to parent-teacher meetings.
 
2013-11-25 10:11:54 PM
I just have to feel sorry for kids who have complete assholes for parents. I can't even imagine being "banned" from reading a book that was being taught in school.
 
2013-11-25 10:12:26 PM

Rapmaster2000: When I was in 6th grade the parents of the Jesus-freak kids got Sword of Shannara pulled because of "witchcraft."



I'd have gotten it pulled for being a craptastic Tolkien rip-off.
 
2013-11-25 10:15:11 PM

Knobbs: Rapmaster2000: When I was in 6th grade the parents of the Jesus-freak kids got Sword of Shannara pulled because of "witchcraft."

That is an outrage! It should have been pulled way earlier for the shiatty, shiatty writing.


Indeed. It should have been pulled for being a horribly obvious Tolkien derivative.

/next couple of books were a bit better.
 
2013-11-25 10:16:44 PM

Vector R: studebaker hoch: There was a book version of "Watership Down"?

Yikes.

Yea, and most of the time it was intensely boring and read like a weather report. The other parts of the time were all MURDER DEATH KILL BUNNIES, like that 70's animated version that gives any even semi-sane person nightmares.

/Seriously, don't watch that movie on drugs


That Silverweed was one seriously messed up bunny.
 
2013-11-25 10:17:46 PM
FTFA: "It was not pulled for the content; it was pulled because it had not yet been board approved..."
 
2013-11-25 10:21:00 PM

Vector R: studebaker hoch: There was a book version of "Watership Down"?

Yikes.

Yea, and most of the time it was intensely boring and read like a weather report. The other parts of the time were all MURDER DEATH KILL BUNNIES, like that 70's animated version that gives any even semi-sane person nightmares.

/Seriously, don't watch that movie on drugs


We came close to turning this into a Watership Down thread. Thanks a lot Bigwig.
 
2013-11-25 10:31:14 PM
Hrududu. That is all.
 
2013-11-25 10:32:28 PM
Innocence is such an overrated virtue.
 
2013-11-25 10:34:43 PM
This isn't "banning books" you tards. Dante's Inferno isn't on any high school reading list, but that doesn't mean it's a "banned book."
 
2013-11-25 10:36:01 PM

Lsherm: tzzhc4: American Library Association, which tracks challenged, restricted, removed and banned books.

There should be no such thing as restricted, removed or banned books.

Didn't they ban that bomb making book a few years ago?  I mean, it's still on the internet somewhere but I thought it was just gone gone.  It's not even referenced on wiki.


Sure is it: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_cookbook

And I think the purpose behind the American Library Association tracking those books is in an effort to fight censorship and advocate for intellectual freedom.
 
2013-11-25 10:57:53 PM

brantgoose: Mothers should never be allowed near your homework.

Give it to your Father to do. He'll just pretend he read the textbook. Your marks will be poor, but you'll have half the trouble when they show up to parent-teacher meetings.


That would not have worked with me.  I read extremely fast. I was in the English honors program in college.  I will read the damn book.  Odds are I will complain about the book being too childish instead of it being too adult.  But then, I'm not a closed minded fundy who's concerned there isn't enough jebus in our schools.
 
2013-11-25 10:58:05 PM
Not that I generally support people who want to remove books from people, but to play devil's advocate, what if the Marquis de Sade's Juliette was on a freshman reading list? Probably most people would have an issue with that being on the curriculum, so we all agree that there are some things kids shouldn't be reading, but we disagree on where the line should be drawn... not that the line should be drawn at all.
 
2013-11-25 11:03:15 PM

Lsherm: I can see pulling it from a 9th grade English class.  You have to give students books that are age-appropriate.  For example, my third self-help book, "How to Bang College Women without using Roofies" is clearly meant for a more mature audience.  My first self-help book, "Look What Fell Out of my Pants! Obtain Sexytime with Inappropriate Humor" is obviously better for the junior high crowd.


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2013-11-25 11:03:41 PM

Knobbs: Rapmaster2000: When I was in 6th grade the parents of the Jesus-freak kids got Sword of Shannara pulled because of "witchcraft."

That is an outrage! It should have been pulled way earlier for the shiatty, shiatty writing.


This
 
2013-11-25 11:10:18 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Not that I generally support people who want to remove books from people, but to play devil's advocate, what if the Marquis de Sade's Juliette was on a freshman reading list? Probably most people would have an issue with that being on the curriculum, so we all agree that there are some things kids shouldn't be reading, but we disagree on where the line should be drawn... not that the line should be drawn at all.


The line can be drawn by school boards actually reading the books BEFORE they are assigned to students, and not by just throwing them out to students willy-nilly so that parents can have conniption fits at seeing what their darling snowflakes are reading after the fact and declaring there's too much smut or gore or dirty words. Yes, Juliette or perhaps "The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty" might be a bit much...but the answer is to screen books prior to their being disseminated and actually deciding this beforehand, and not scrambling to do it after some parent makes a tempest in a teapot afterwards.
 
2013-11-25 11:11:56 PM

Doc Batarang: Lsherm: tzzhc4: American Library Association, which tracks challenged, restricted, removed and banned books.

There should be no such thing as restricted, removed or banned books.

Didn't they ban that bomb making book a few years ago?  I mean, it's still on the internet somewhere but I thought it was just gone gone.  It's not even referenced on wiki.

Sure is it: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_cookbook

And I think the purpose behind the American Library Association tracking those books is in an effort to fight censorship and advocate for intellectual freedom.


I agree, I just thought that was one of those books they managed to smother.  And from the wiki page you linked, it sounds like they sort of did.
 
2013-11-25 11:24:00 PM

megarian: Gyrfalcon: That makes me so f*cking mad I could chop someone's dick off with a rusty hatchet.

For some reason, for quite a while I've had you Farkied as "Fun Obvious Murderer".

Getting a kick. And suchlike.


I have some entertaining if inexplicable ones:

Serial cereal stealer
Bunny hit man
Ye who is repressed and woe to those who seek to help him
Nero has returned
The first time I have actually typed jag off
Michael Bolton Jr.
This guy wears a beret


I have since learned to be more judicious in my farkie-isms.
 
2013-11-25 11:26:18 PM

studebaker hoch: There was a book version of "Watership Down"?

Yikes.


wut
 
2013-11-25 11:27:08 PM
Once my kids hit high school I am going for full troll power and ask that all books be banned.
 
2013-11-25 11:27:19 PM

Lsherm: Doc Batarang: Lsherm: tzzhc4: American Library Association, which tracks challenged, restricted, removed and banned books.

There should be no such thing as restricted, removed or banned books.

Didn't they ban that bomb making book a few years ago?  I mean, it's still on the internet somewhere but I thought it was just gone gone.  It's not even referenced on wiki.

Sure is it: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_cookbook

And I think the purpose behind the American Library Association tracking those books is in an effort to fight censorship and advocate for intellectual freedom.

I agree, I just thought that was one of those books they managed to smother.  And from the wiki page you linked, it sounds like they sort of did.


I don't know, our college copy was stolen from the public library in town so if they did censor it they did a crappy job.
 
2013-11-25 11:32:25 PM

Lsherm: Doc Batarang: Lsherm: tzzhc4: American Library Association, which tracks challenged, restricted, removed and banned books.

There should be no such thing as restricted, removed or banned books.

Didn't they ban that bomb making book a few years ago?  I mean, it's still on the internet somewhere but I thought it was just gone gone.  It's not even referenced on wiki.

Sure is it: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_cookbook

And I think the purpose behind the American Library Association tracking those books is in an effort to fight censorship and advocate for intellectual freedom.

I agree, I just thought that was one of those books they managed to smother.  And from the wiki page you linked, it sounds like they sort of did.


No, they didn't. The article doesn't say anything like that at all. To summarize, it's original author repudiated the work but it's copyright was taken by its original publisher. Since it's release, it's been published in whole and part lots of times.

The ALA only acknowledges it's status as a famously challenged book, but has no other stated opinion on it that I can see.

I think one of the issues is that it is basically totally unappealing today because all it's content has been greatly eclipsed by the internet doing a better job. A friend of mine had one when I was a teen, and I distinctly remember being much more impressed with the contents of this same friend's SAS survival manual [shrugs]
 
2013-11-25 11:44:43 PM

Doc Batarang: No, they didn't. The article doesn't say anything like that at all. To summarize, it's original author repudiated the work but it's copyright was taken by its original publisher. Since it's release, it's been published in whole and part lots of times.


What I meant by "sort of" Francis:

The latest publication date is October 16, 2012 (ISBN 978-1607965237) and available in both paperback and hardback from Snowball Publishing. Reviewers say the copy has its basis in a 2002 revision and shows heavy editing and many items removed over the original 1977 edition.[13]

Jesus, lighten up and read the details a bit.  You linked the page.
 
2013-11-25 11:49:41 PM

Vector R: studebaker hoch: There was a book version of "Watership Down"?

Yikes.

Yea, and most of the time it was intensely boring and read like a weather report. The other parts of the time were all MURDER DEATH KILL BUNNIES, like that 70's animated version that gives any even semi-sane person nightmares.

/Seriously, don't watch that movie on drugs


sorry you think lotr with rabbits is boring

/hraka
 
2013-11-26 12:03:02 AM
"A trip across New York City ensues as the boy tries to discover what the key opens."

It's for daddy's meth lab!
No...wait...that was Attack on Titan/Shingeki no Kyojin.  Nevermind.

/not really, just a wild guess while watching the anime around the same time as Breaking Bad
 
2013-11-26 12:18:47 AM

Fano: Vector R: studebaker hoch: There was a book version of "Watership Down"?

Yikes.

Yea, and most of the time it was intensely boring and read like a weather report. The other parts of the time were all MURDER DEATH KILL BUNNIES, like that 70's animated version that gives any even semi-sane person nightmares.

/Seriously, don't watch that movie on drugs

sorry you think lotr with rabbits is boring

/hraka


With only a tenth of the useless descriptions of travel and poetry, it's a hell of a lot more exciting.
 
Oak
2013-11-26 12:21:57 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: This isn't "banning books" you tards. Dante's Inferno isn't on any high school reading list, but that doesn't mean it's a "banned book."


High school is exactly where I first studied The Inferno.

/John Ciardi translation

//Watership Down rocks
 
2013-11-26 12:29:45 AM

Doc Batarang: Lsherm: Doc Batarang: Lsherm: tzzhc4: American Library Association, which tracks challenged, restricted, removed and banned books.

There should be no such thing as restricted, removed or banned books.

Didn't they ban that bomb making book a few years ago?  I mean, it's still on the internet somewhere but I thought it was just gone gone.  It's not even referenced on wiki.

Sure is it: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_cookbook

And I think the purpose behind the American Library Association tracking those books is in an effort to fight censorship and advocate for intellectual freedom.

I agree, I just thought that was one of those books they managed to smother.  And from the wiki page you linked, it sounds like they sort of did.

No, they didn't. The article doesn't say anything like that at all. To summarize, it's original author repudiated the work but it's copyright was taken by its original publisher. Since it's release, it's been published in whole and part lots of times.

The ALA only acknowledges it's status as a famously challenged book, but has no other stated opinion on it that I can see.

I think one of the issues is that it is basically totally unappealing today because all it's content has been greatly eclipsed by the internet doing a better job. A friend of mine had one when I was a teen, and I distinctly remember being much more impressed with the contents of this same friend's SAS survival manual [shrugs]


and don't even bother with the hashish recipe in there

i bet

so i was told

whatever, man
 
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