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(Fox Business)   Greek citizens are infecting themselves with HIV in order to get an additional 700 Euros in government handouts   (foxbusiness.com) divider line 131
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2013-11-25 11:08:47 PM  

wildsnowllama: Mugato: Aren't most HIV cases "self inflicted"?

Blood transfusions, rape, perinatal transmission...


Today would be a very good day to learn what the word "most" means.
 
2013-11-25 11:10:15 PM  
Uh... Huh. Yeah. Sure.

And if you click here, you too can earn $800 a month with this ONE WEIRD TRICK from Greece...
 
2013-11-25 11:11:28 PM  
Sounds like the Euro version of "all welfare recipients are drug addicts!"


Sure, just ask Florida how that worked out for them.

Surprised they're not outright blaming it on immigrants.
 
2013-11-25 11:11:40 PM  

TheHappyCanadian: wildsnowllama: Mugato: Aren't most HIV cases "self inflicted"?

Blood transfusions, rape, perinatal transmission...

[depts.washington.edu image 499x318]

stupid 1%ers


High risk hetero can still be voluntary, like if you have unprotected sex with strangers in Liberia.
 
2013-11-25 11:12:25 PM  

Lsherm: How the fark would the WHO even find that out?  Who in their right mind would confess to it?

Also, how farking desperate do you have to be to give yourself HIV for $950 a month?


Seeing as HIV doesn't lead to AIDS when treated, I guess it doesn't take much.

I wonder whether that money is supposed to go towards their medicene, in which case, that's a shortsighted plan.
 
2013-11-25 11:14:09 PM  

cc_rider: So, "austerity" really don't work after all? Huh. Who woulda thunk it?


Uh yes, it's very obviously working.

You don't realise that the numbers for Greek is publicly available?
 
2013-11-25 11:16:58 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: This "financial crisis" is all the fault of greedy old balding men in suits shuffling paper around.


We wouldn't keep having these stupid things if we just abolished money.
 
2013-11-25 11:18:28 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
I DON'T WANT TO LIVE ON THIS PLANET ANYMORE
 
2013-11-25 11:20:50 PM  

Lsherm: Cobblestone Flag: wingnut396: Is this before or after they play the knockout game?

Yep. That's all this is.

*Click this link to learn about the government subsidy AND weight loss cure that the CONSERVATIVES don't want you to know about*

It's citing a World Health Organization study.  WHO isn't exactly "right leaning."


Yawn, I wasn't exactly trying to be political.

Ever seen the click-bait on Huffington post? There you go.
 
2013-11-25 11:25:29 PM  
I call bullshiat
 
2013-11-25 11:27:45 PM  
Bunch of stupid, lazy wops.
 
2013-11-25 11:29:36 PM  
Riiiight.

Limbaugh Promotes A New Myth: Greeks Gave Themselves HIV For Welfare Money

However, the WHO report is incorrect. The WHO's source for this figure is a 2011 study in the British medical journal The Lancet. Here is what the Lancet study actually says:

An authoritative report described accounts of deliberate self-infection by a few individuals to obtain access to benefits of €700 per month and faster admission onto drug substitution programmes. These programmes offer access to synthetic opioids and can have waiting lists of 3 years or more in urban areas. [emphasis added]

Somehow, the "few individuals" mentioned by The Lancet became "half of new HIV infections" in the WHO report.

Fark keeps kicking out the link, "no content-type header"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/25/limbaugh-promotes-a-new-myth- g reeks-gave-themse/197046
 
2013-11-25 11:33:19 PM  

fusillade762: Fark keeps kicking out the link, "no content-type header"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/25/limbaugh-promotes-a-new-myth- g reeks-gave-themse/197046


Fark started hating MM links right around the time the sidebar got flooded with newsmax spam and mods started greening 5 WND threads a day.
 
2013-11-25 11:34:11 PM  
This story has the ingredients for a perfect storm of derp:

Homosexuals
Drug users
Welfare/Socialism
Europeans

Expect to be hearing about this A LOT from the right-wing Usual Suspects.
 
2013-11-25 11:36:36 PM  

spawn73: Lsherm: How the fark would the WHO even find that out?  Who in their right mind would confess to it?

Also, how farking desperate do you have to be to give yourself HIV for $950 a month?

Seeing as HIV doesn't lead to AIDS when treated, I guess it doesn't take much.

I wonder whether that money is supposed to go towards their medicene, in which case, that's a shortsighted plan.


it also says they get quicker access to drug replacement (like methaone) programs, and understand that when available, some hardcore junkies will alternate being on these programs and doing the real thing if they can.
so use a dirty needle and get free methadone, and money for the real thing. yay.
 
2013-11-25 11:37:09 PM  
where did the article say additional ...all it said was 700
 
2013-11-25 11:38:06 PM  
That's nothing, back in the 70's people use to buy boxes of AYDS just to lose weight!
 
2013-11-25 11:38:20 PM  

GoldSpider: Day_Old_Dutchie: This "financial crisis" is all the fault of greedy old balding men in suits shuffling paper around.

We wouldn't keep having these stupid things if we just abolished money.


Yes, a return to the days of serfdom and slavery would be just great!
 
2013-11-25 11:39:27 PM  
If something that is actually happening, which I doubt, it would be yet another unintended consequence of government intervention that the central planners didn't see coming.

Central planning keeps failing but people keep wanting more of it. Usually to solve its previous failures.

It's rather insane.

Guess everything is just going to have to go to hell before people figure out central planning doesn't work.
 
2013-11-25 11:41:24 PM  
cache.bordom.net
/oblig
 
2013-11-25 11:42:29 PM  

fusillade762: This story has the ingredients for a perfect storm of derp:

Homosexuals
Drug users
Welfare/Socialism
Europeans

Expect to be hearing about this A LOT from the right-wing Usual Suspects.


Seeing as how you are the one that brought that up. How exactly does it make right wingers the ones to suspect it?
 
2013-11-25 11:45:34 PM  
This may be counter-productive, but becoming a migrant refugee is a really popular solution to this very problem throughout the world and all history. Declare bankruptcy and hit the road for Austria. They'll hardly let you starve in Western Europe.
 
2013-11-25 11:46:07 PM  
Of course it's the farking Greeks. Laziest people on the planet, individually and culturally. I shouldn't be surprised they'll give themselves AIDS rather than work.
 
2013-11-25 11:49:11 PM  

kerrigand: fusillade762: This story has the ingredients for a perfect storm of derp:

Homosexuals
Drug users
Welfare/Socialism
Europeans

Expect to be hearing about this A LOT from the right-wing Usual Suspects.

Seeing as how you are the one that brought that up. How exactly does it make right wingers the ones to suspect it?


Rush Limbaugh, The Daily Caller, The Blaze, and Fox News are all hitting it hard with the "HALF OF ALL AID INFECTIONS IN GREECE ARE INTENTIONAL". Legitimate news agencies... not so much.
 
2013-11-25 11:55:31 PM  

wingnut396: Lsherm: Cobblestone Flag: wingnut396: Is this before or after they play the knockout game?

Yep. That's all this is.

*Click this link to learn about the government subsidy AND weight loss cure that the CONSERVATIVES don't want you to know about*

It's citing a World Health Organization study.  WHO isn't exactly "right leaning."

Actually the WHO is citing a Lancet article/study which says exactly the following:

An authoritative report described accounts of deliberate self-infection by a few individuals to obtain access to benefits of €700 per month and faster admission onto drug substitution programmes.

A few sounds like a lot less than half of all new cases to me.  But please, proceed to the outrage.

What the report does say is that the economic conditions in Greece have led to fewer people getting health care, increased drug use and associated diseases increase due to that. But that really doesn't sell numismatic gold coins far above spot prices and the latest you should be outraged/why old people are most awesomest books.


Then why in the hell is WHO citing it in the first place?  I'm not outraged, I was just pointing out (accurately, I might add) that this was a W.H.O. report.

The ball is in your court.  If it's bullshiat, which it sounds like, then why is WHO using it in a report?
 
2013-11-25 11:56:34 PM  

fusillade762: kerrigand: fusillade762: This story has the ingredients for a perfect storm of derp:

Homosexuals
Drug users
Welfare/Socialism
Europeans

Expect to be hearing about this A LOT from the right-wing Usual Suspects.

Seeing as how you are the one that brought that up. How exactly does it make right wingers the ones to suspect it?

Rush Limbaugh, The Daily Caller, The Blaze, and Fox News are all hitting it hard with the "HALF OF ALL AID INFECTIONS IN GREECE ARE INTENTIONAL". Legitimate news agencies... not so much.


That's fine and all. I don't follow those people.  But, that's not what I asked.

I asked YOU, as to seeing as to how YOU brought those up, how do they become a right-wing issue, when you're the one bringing those up in this thread?

I'll reiterate, who exactly brought this up in this thread?
 
2013-11-25 11:58:57 PM  

leadmetal: If something that is actually happening, which I doubt, it would be yet another unintended consequence of government intervention that the central planners didn't see coming.

Central planning keeps failing but people keep wanting more of it. Usually to solve its previous failures.

It's rather insane.

Guess everything is just going to have to go to hell before people figure out central planning doesn't work.


I think I can figure out what your Conservative Boogeyman Word of the Day Calendar has on it.
 
2013-11-25 11:59:08 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
Superman wants 700 euros.
 
2013-11-26 12:04:27 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Related: the 12 hottest greek girls (Probably not safe for work)


They are all skeletons and most have no breasts.
I bet I could find 50 hotter Greek girls without even trying, just casually looking around bars in Greece.
 
2013-11-26 12:04:45 AM  

kerrigand: fusillade762: kerrigand: fusillade762: This story has the ingredients for a perfect storm of derp:

Homosexuals
Drug users
Welfare/Socialism
Europeans

Expect to be hearing about this A LOT from the right-wing Usual Suspects.

Seeing as how you are the one that brought that up. How exactly does it make right wingers the ones to suspect it?

Rush Limbaugh, The Daily Caller, The Blaze, and Fox News are all hitting it hard with the "HALF OF ALL AID INFECTIONS IN GREECE ARE INTENTIONAL". Legitimate news agencies... not so much.

That's fine and all. I don't follow those people.  But, that's not what I asked.

I asked YOU, as to seeing as to how YOU brought those up, how do they become a right-wing issue, when you're the one bringing those up in this thread?

I'll reiterate, who exactly brought this up in this thread?


How does it become a right-wing issue? Did you miss the whole homosexual/drug using/European/welfare part?

I'm really not sure I understand your question.
 
2013-11-26 12:07:00 AM  
A nation that loves ass-sex has an HIV problem? never would have guessed.
 
2013-11-26 12:09:52 AM  

fusillade762: kerrigand: fusillade762: kerrigand: fusillade762: This story has the ingredients for a perfect storm of derp:

Homosexuals
Drug users
Welfare/Socialism
Europeans

Expect to be hearing about this A LOT from the right-wing Usual Suspects.

Seeing as how you are the one that brought that up. How exactly does it make right wingers the ones to suspect it?

Rush Limbaugh, The Daily Caller, The Blaze, and Fox News are all hitting it hard with the "HALF OF ALL AID INFECTIONS IN GREECE ARE INTENTIONAL". Legitimate news agencies... not so much.

That's fine and all. I don't follow those people.  But, that's not what I asked.

I asked YOU, as to seeing as to how YOU brought those up, how do they become a right-wing issue, when you're the one bringing those up in this thread?

I'll reiterate, who exactly brought this up in this thread?

How does it become a right-wing issue? Did you miss the whole homosexual/drug using/European/welfare part?

I'm really not sure I understand your question.


Sure I do. You attempted to(poorly) make this something of a right wing issue.
Yet, you're the one that brought this up and you want to try to make it some one else's fault.
Have I missed it so far? No?

You really don't realize what you say do you?
 
2013-11-26 12:10:24 AM  
if there were drug replacement programs available before austerity measures, i could see how there could be a spike in very desperate and unfortunate addicts.
anyone that cannot believe this might happen has not experienced withdrawals from heroin (i think).
 
2013-11-26 12:13:37 AM  

kerrigand: Sure I do. You attempted to(poorly) make this something of a right wing issue.


I didn't make it a right-wing issue. The websites that are flogging it made it a right-wing issue. If I'm wrong and we never hear about this again from them I'll readily admit my mistake.


kerrigand: Yet, you're the one that brought this up and you want to try to make it some one else's fault.


Fault for what?
 
2013-11-26 12:19:53 AM  
wannabevc.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-26 12:21:17 AM  

fusillade762: kerrigand: Sure I do. You attempted to(poorly) make this something of a right wing issue.

I didn't make it a right-wing issue. The websites that are flogging it made it a right-wing issue. If I'm wrong and we never hear about this again from them I'll readily admit my mistake.


fusillade762: kerrigand: fusillade762: This story has the ingredients for a perfect storm of derp:

Homosexuals
Drug users
Welfare/Socialism
Europeans

Expect to be hearing about this A LOT from the right-wing Usual Suspects.


I guess that wasn't you that stated that, right? Sorry. Maybe it was someone else?
 
2013-11-26 12:23:15 AM  
That problem will cure itself.
 
2013-11-26 12:26:05 AM  

edmo: That problem will cure itself.


This. On the off chance this story is even true and not just a hysterical crock of shiat, at least the parasites who are doing this will end up killing themselves and ridding the world of their burden.
 
2013-11-26 12:28:33 AM  

edmo: That problem will cure itself.


Yep... a self-correcting problem if ever there was one.
 
2013-11-26 12:34:26 AM  

TheHappyCanadian: wildsnowllama: Mugato: Aren't most HIV cases "self inflicted"?

Blood transfusions, rape, perinatal transmission...

[depts.washington.edu image 499x318]

stupid 1%ers


Unless my math is wrong, that adds up to 101%...

/also: that graph is for HIV cases solely among African-American males
//see figure 5
 
2013-11-26 12:34:57 AM  

taurusowner: edmo: That problem will cure itself.

This. On the off chance this story is even true and not just a hysterical crock of shiat, at least the parasites who are doing this will end up killing themselves and ridding the world of their burden.


this is just going to cost more money, the cost of treating hiv and then fba, compared to treating junkies is enormous, not to mention the possible increase in hiv that is not "self inflicted". i have to assume the type that would do this are not the kind to warn any sex partners.
 
2013-11-26 12:35:47 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well... they're Greek, FFS



Q:  How can you tell if a Greek is a gentleman?

A:  He takes a girl out on three dates before sleeping with her brother.
 
2013-11-26 12:37:49 AM  

The_Sponge: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well... they're Greek, FFS


Q:  How can you tell if a Greek is a gentleman?

A:  He takes a girl out on three dates before sleeping with her brother.


Q: How do they separate the men from the boys in Greece.

A: Crowbars
 
2013-11-26 12:39:48 AM  
Ummm..No.
 
2013-11-26 12:42:48 AM  

fusillade762: Riiiight.

Limbaugh Promotes A New Myth: Greeks Gave Themselves HIV For Welfare Money

However, the WHO report is incorrect. The WHO's source for this figure is a 2011 study in the British medical journal The Lancet. Here is what the Lancet study actually says:

An authoritative report described accounts of deliberate self-infection by a few individuals to obtain access to benefits of €700 per month and faster admission onto drug substitution programmes. These programmes offer access to synthetic opioids and can have waiting lists of 3 years or more in urban areas. [emphasis added]

Somehow, the "few individuals" mentioned by The Lancet became "half of new HIV infections" in the WHO report.
Fark keeps kicking out the link, "no content-type header"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/25/limbaugh-promotes-a-new-myth- g reeks-gave-themse/197046


I don't see how that's relevant.
 
2013-11-26 12:44:25 AM  

RsquaredW: leadmetal: If something that is actually happening, which I doubt, it would be yet another unintended consequence of government intervention that the central planners didn't see coming.

Central planning keeps failing but people keep wanting more of it. Usually to solve its previous failures.

It's rather insane.

Guess everything is just going to have to go to hell before people figure out central planning doesn't work.

I think I can figure out what your Conservative Boogeyman Word of the Day Calendar has on it.


Conservative? HAhahahahahaha.

I can see you're another person who thinks in mainstream media conditioned binary.
 
2013-11-26 12:47:18 AM  

Popular Opinion: spawn73: Lsherm: How the fark would the WHO even find that out?  Who in their right mind would confess to it?

Also, how farking desperate do you have to be to give yourself HIV for $950 a month?

Seeing as HIV doesn't lead to AIDS when treated, I guess it doesn't take much.

I wonder whether that money is supposed to go towards their medicene, in which case, that's a shortsighted plan.

it also says they get quicker access to drug replacement (like methaone) programs, and understand that when available, some hardcore junkies will alternate being on these programs and doing the real thing if they can.
so use a dirty needle and get free methadone, and money for the real thing. yay.


Yeah, that's kinda what I ended up concluding as well.

Methadone is great for drug addicts who wish to quit, or be addicts in a controlled manner. But not great for drug addicts still seeking the high they get from heroine.

A lot of countries have realised this, and now offer drug addicts access to the hardcore stuff. That way you get them away from the associated crime, cut out the drug dealers and ensure the drugaddicts get something that won't kill them.
 
2013-11-26 12:48:51 AM  
Pay losers to be losers has a downside? Unpossible!
 
2013-11-26 01:00:15 AM  

Popular Opinion: The_Sponge: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well... they're Greek, FFS


Q:  How can you tell if a Greek is a gentleman?

A:  He takes a girl out on three dates before sleeping with her brother.

Q: How do they separate the men from the boys in Greece.

A: Crowbars


Thanks. You made me wake up the baby with my giggling.
 
2013-11-26 01:09:37 AM  

leadmetal: RsquaredW: leadmetal: If something that is actually happening, which I doubt, it would be yet another unintended consequence of government intervention that the central planners didn't see coming.

Central planning keeps failing but people keep wanting more of it. Usually to solve its previous failures.

It's rather insane.

Guess everything is just going to have to go to hell before people figure out central planning doesn't work.

I think I can figure out what your Conservative Boogeyman Word of the Day Calendar has on it.

Conservative? HAhahahahahaha.

I can see you're another person who thinks in mainstream media conditioned binary.


There kind of is a binary, just not the one the media and most of the country thinks. It's not really Republican/Democrat or Conservative/Liberal. It's a lot closer to "statist/libertarian (small L)". People who look to the government for solutions and people who look within themselves for solutions. And how authoritarian someone is generally falls on that scale someplace. That goes for both Republicans who favor the drug war, prohibitions on gay marriage, and the police state as well as Democrats who favor trampling religious freedoms, enforcing politically correct speech and behavior with the fist of the state, cradle to grave government dependency and the police state as well. Both parties are extremely authoritarian and statist, just with some differing goals (and a lot of the same ones).
 
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