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2013-11-25 08:24:50 PM  
How the fark would the WHO even find that out?  Who in their right mind would confess to it?

Also, how farking desperate do you have to be to give yourself HIV for $950 a month?
 
2013-11-25 08:29:02 PM  
Obviously the solution is to cut government funding for health programs.
 
2013-11-25 08:30:56 PM  
No, subby. The €700 is for preserving the cultural heritage we call buggery.
 
2013-11-25 09:36:49 PM  
Related: the 12 hottest greek girls (Probably not safe for work)
 
2013-11-25 09:45:42 PM  

Lsherm: Also, how farking desperate do you have to be to give yourself HIV for $950 a month?


Addicted to drugs, probably homeless, 3 year wait for rehab otherwise, almost normal life expectancy for HIV patients, national government determined to (or forced to by the EU) make life for its citizens as miserable as possible... I could possibly see myself doing it under the circumstances.

Plan B is to try to swim to Italy.
 
2013-11-25 09:48:40 PM  
Well... they're Greek, FFS
 
2013-11-25 10:13:39 PM  
Aren't most HIV cases "self inflicted"?
 
2013-11-25 10:16:19 PM  
Is this before or after they play the knockout game?
 
2013-11-25 10:16:44 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well... they're Greek, FFS


That's what I was thinking.
 
2013-11-25 10:16:47 PM  
So, "austerity" really don't work after all? Huh. Who woulda thunk it?
 
2013-11-25 10:19:49 PM  

wingnut396: Is this before or after they play the knockout game?


Yep. That's all this is.

*Click this link to learn about the government subsidy AND weight loss cure that the CONSERVATIVES don't want you to know about*
 
2013-11-25 10:20:44 PM  
You can say they're doing it........


greek style....
 
2013-11-25 10:20:59 PM  
img.photobucket.com

"This story is relevant to my interests."
 
2013-11-25 10:21:16 PM  
A significant increase in HIV infections occurred in late 2010. The latest data suggest that new infections will rise by 52% in 2011 compared with 2010 (922 new cases versus 605), with half of the currently observed increases attributable to infections among intravenous drug users.19 Data for the first 7 months of 2011 show more than a 10-fold rise in new infections in these drug users compared with the same period in 2010.20 The prevalence of heroin use reportedly rose by 20% in 2009, from 20 200 to 24 100, according to estimates from the Greek Documentation and Monitoring Centre for Drugs. Budget cuts in 2009 and 2010 have resulted in the loss of a third of the country's street-work programmes;21 one survey of 275 drug users in Athens in October, 2010, found that 85% were not on a drug-rehabilitation programme.21 Many new HIV infections are also linked to an increase in prostitution (and associated unsafe sex).22 An authoritative report described accounts of deliberate self-infection by a few individuals to obtain access to benefits of €700 per month and faster admission onto drug substitution programmes.22 These programmes offer access to synthetic opioids and can have waiting lists of 3 years or more in urban areas.

So 300 more HIV infections in a country of 11 million, and of those 300 infections "a few" of them are people who self-infected.  Clearly an epidemic.
 
2013-11-25 10:22:04 PM  
This could get very bad.  Especially because I don't think that will make Merkel want to change her mind about kicking out a few nations out of the union.
 
2013-11-25 10:22:08 PM  
How much for crabs, or herpes?
 
2013-11-25 10:22:19 PM  
That's ONE way to clean up the gene pool.
 
2013-11-25 10:22:33 PM  
I wonder if Leonidas from the politics tab knows what his people are doing.
 
2013-11-25 10:22:37 PM  
That's easy to fix... If it is discovered that one intentionally infected themselves, then they have to pay back all the benefits they received (good luck there), and they loose all future benefits as well as all medical coverage.
 
2013-11-25 10:22:45 PM  
 
2013-11-25 10:22:56 PM  

Cobblestone Flag: wingnut396: Is this before or after they play the knockout game?

Yep. That's all this is.

*Click this link to learn about the government subsidy AND weight loss cure that the CONSERVATIVES don't want you to know about*


"One weird trick to increase your government benefits by €700 "
 
2013-11-25 10:23:06 PM  

Mugato: Aren't most HIV cases "self inflicted"?


.....I....I GUESS you could put it that way....

[shudder]
 
2013-11-25 10:24:26 PM  

Mugato: Aren't most HIV cases "self inflicted"?


Blood transfusions, rape, perinatal transmission...
 
2013-11-25 10:25:43 PM  
Blame the Albanian s and Merkel
 
2013-11-25 10:26:03 PM  
Are you sure,  submitter.
 
2013-11-25 10:29:08 PM  
Reported by Fox News?  Wait, Fox Business News?  I feel confident in declaring this never happened.
 
2013-11-25 10:30:40 PM  
If things are this bad (thanks conservatives), why don't they spare these people the whole HIV thing and just give them the money if they're going to be this desperate?
 
2013-11-25 10:30:41 PM  

Cobblestone Flag: wingnut396: Is this before or after they play the knockout game?

Yep. That's all this is.

*Click this link to learn about the government subsidy AND weight loss cure that the CONSERVATIVES don't want you to know about*


It's citing a World Health Organization study.  WHO isn't exactly "right leaning."
 
2013-11-25 10:31:13 PM  
Falling right through the bottom, aren't they?
 
2013-11-25 10:32:15 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well... they're Greek, FFS


So much this
 
2013-11-25 10:33:58 PM  
AIDS, the gift that keeps on giving.

Wait, what?
 
2013-11-25 10:35:45 PM  

Lsherm: How the fark would the WHO even find that out?  Who in their right mind would confess to it?

Also, how farking desperate do you have to be to give yourself HIV for $950 a month?


They were exchanging high fives and playing that bloody bazooki music all over the place.
 
2013-11-25 10:36:51 PM  
YIA SOU TO THE WORLD OF AIDS
 
2013-11-25 10:38:21 PM  

1mut.com

 
2013-11-25 10:39:24 PM  

wildsnowllama: Mugato: Aren't most HIV cases "self inflicted"?

Blood transfusions, rape, perinatal transmission...


depts.washington.edu

stupid 1%ers
 
2013-11-25 10:47:01 PM  
How hard could it possibly be to get documentation saying you have AIDS?  I'd expect the card saying you *don't* have AIDS is the one with the black-light hologram and retina print on it.
 
2013-11-25 10:48:04 PM  
Gives it the "Around the World and Back Snap"

s3.vidimg.popscreen.com
 
2013-11-25 10:48:11 PM  

Lsherm: Cobblestone Flag: wingnut396: Is this before or after they play the knockout game?

Yep. That's all this is.

*Click this link to learn about the government subsidy AND weight loss cure that the CONSERVATIVES don't want you to know about*

It's citing a World Health Organization study.  WHO isn't exactly "right leaning."


Actually the WHO is citing a Lancet article/study which says exactly the following:

An authoritative report described accounts of deliberate self-infection by a few individuals to obtain access to benefits of €700 per month and faster admission onto drug substitution programmes.

A few sounds like a lot less than half of all new cases to me.  But please, proceed to the outrage.

What the report does say is that the economic conditions in Greece have led to fewer people getting health care, increased drug use and associated diseases increase due to that. But that really doesn't sell numismatic gold coins far above spot prices and the latest you should be outraged/why old people are most awesomest books.
 
2013-11-25 10:48:18 PM  

TheHappyCanadian: wildsnowllama: Mugato: Aren't most HIV cases "self inflicted"?

Blood transfusions, rape, perinatal transmission...

[depts.washington.edu image 499x318]

stupid 1%ers


so, that says it caused by homosexual contact, homosexual contact, drugs, and  homosexual contact. Damn,  that's a lot of homosexual contact.
 
2013-11-25 10:48:43 PM  
What does the Fox Say?

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DEERP DERP DERP DERP BULLshiat DERP DERP.
 
2013-11-25 10:51:30 PM  

Mikeyworld: TheHappyCanadian: wildsnowllama: Mugato: Aren't most HIV cases "self inflicted"?

Blood transfusions, rape, perinatal transmission...

[depts.washington.edu image 499x318]

stupid 1%ers

so, that says it caused by homosexual contact, homosexual contact, drugs, and  homosexual contact. Damn,  that's a lot of homosexual contact.


Remember, Kids - it's still "high risk hetero" as long as the balls don't touch.
 
2013-11-25 10:52:16 PM  

Mikeyworld: TheHappyCanadian: wildsnowllama: Mugato: Aren't most HIV cases "self inflicted"?

Blood transfusions, rape, perinatal transmission...

[depts.washington.edu image 499x318]

stupid 1%ers

so, that says it caused by homosexual contact, homosexual contact, drugs, and  homosexual contact. Damn,  that's a lot of homosexual contact.


Bbbut, old grandmas are the fastest growing group!
 
2013-11-25 10:52:45 PM  
That's pretty dumb. You want money to live and survive, yet you put a death sentence on yourself. Why not just prostitute themselves or something? At least they can use contraceptives and earn some money without automatically having something that will kill them.
 
2013-11-25 10:55:58 PM  
This "financial crisis" is all the fault of greedy old balding men in suits shuffling paper around.
 
2013-11-25 10:56:40 PM  

dookdookdook: Lsherm: Also, how farking desperate do you have to be to give yourself HIV for $950 a month?

Addicted to drugs, probably homeless, 3 year wait for rehab otherwise, almost normal life expectancy for HIV patients, national government determined to (or forced to by the EU) make life for its citizens as miserable as possible... I could possibly see myself doing it under the circumstances.

Plan B is to try to swim to Italy.


Why would you need to swim to Italy?

As an EU member citizen, you can travel freely.  This isn't Cuba and the US FFS.
 
2013-11-25 10:59:53 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Obviously the solution is to cut government funding for health programs.


We should also cut welfare benefits, before it happens here too!

/you know that's exactly why Fox news is reporting this "story."
 
2013-11-25 11:02:44 PM  
I'd be surprised if Greece doesn't go full fascism in the next ten years.
 
2013-11-25 11:06:35 PM  

wildsnowllama: Mugato: Aren't most HIV cases "self inflicted"?

Blood transfusions, rape, perinatal transmission...


Well, obviously one shouldn't get a blood transfusion, raped, or be born. You're just asking for it otherwise.
 
2013-11-25 11:06:50 PM  
arrogantass.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-25 11:08:25 PM  

tripleseven: dookdookdook: Lsherm: Also, how farking desperate do you have to be to give yourself HIV for $950 a month?

Addicted to drugs, probably homeless, 3 year wait for rehab otherwise, almost normal life expectancy for HIV patients, national government determined to (or forced to by the EU) make life for its citizens as miserable as possible... I could possibly see myself doing it under the circumstances.

Plan B is to try to swim to Italy.

Why would you need to swim to Italy?

As an EU member citizen, you can travel freely.  This isn't Cuba and the US FFS.


Free maybe free but the ferry isn't.  Around 70 euros.
 
2013-11-25 11:08:47 PM  

wildsnowllama: Mugato: Aren't most HIV cases "self inflicted"?

Blood transfusions, rape, perinatal transmission...


Today would be a very good day to learn what the word "most" means.
 
2013-11-25 11:10:15 PM  
Uh... Huh. Yeah. Sure.

And if you click here, you too can earn $800 a month with this ONE WEIRD TRICK from Greece...
 
2013-11-25 11:11:28 PM  
Sounds like the Euro version of "all welfare recipients are drug addicts!"


Sure, just ask Florida how that worked out for them.

Surprised they're not outright blaming it on immigrants.
 
2013-11-25 11:11:40 PM  

TheHappyCanadian: wildsnowllama: Mugato: Aren't most HIV cases "self inflicted"?

Blood transfusions, rape, perinatal transmission...

[depts.washington.edu image 499x318]

stupid 1%ers


High risk hetero can still be voluntary, like if you have unprotected sex with strangers in Liberia.
 
2013-11-25 11:12:25 PM  

Lsherm: How the fark would the WHO even find that out?  Who in their right mind would confess to it?

Also, how farking desperate do you have to be to give yourself HIV for $950 a month?


Seeing as HIV doesn't lead to AIDS when treated, I guess it doesn't take much.

I wonder whether that money is supposed to go towards their medicene, in which case, that's a shortsighted plan.
 
2013-11-25 11:14:09 PM  

cc_rider: So, "austerity" really don't work after all? Huh. Who woulda thunk it?


Uh yes, it's very obviously working.

You don't realise that the numbers for Greek is publicly available?
 
2013-11-25 11:16:58 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: This "financial crisis" is all the fault of greedy old balding men in suits shuffling paper around.


We wouldn't keep having these stupid things if we just abolished money.
 
2013-11-25 11:18:28 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
I DON'T WANT TO LIVE ON THIS PLANET ANYMORE
 
2013-11-25 11:20:50 PM  

Lsherm: Cobblestone Flag: wingnut396: Is this before or after they play the knockout game?

Yep. That's all this is.

*Click this link to learn about the government subsidy AND weight loss cure that the CONSERVATIVES don't want you to know about*

It's citing a World Health Organization study.  WHO isn't exactly "right leaning."


Yawn, I wasn't exactly trying to be political.

Ever seen the click-bait on Huffington post? There you go.
 
2013-11-25 11:25:29 PM  
I call bullshiat
 
2013-11-25 11:27:45 PM  
Bunch of stupid, lazy wops.
 
2013-11-25 11:29:36 PM  
Riiiight.

Limbaugh Promotes A New Myth: Greeks Gave Themselves HIV For Welfare Money

However, the WHO report is incorrect. The WHO's source for this figure is a 2011 study in the British medical journal The Lancet. Here is what the Lancet study actually says:

An authoritative report described accounts of deliberate self-infection by a few individuals to obtain access to benefits of €700 per month and faster admission onto drug substitution programmes. These programmes offer access to synthetic opioids and can have waiting lists of 3 years or more in urban areas. [emphasis added]

Somehow, the "few individuals" mentioned by The Lancet became "half of new HIV infections" in the WHO report.

Fark keeps kicking out the link, "no content-type header"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/25/limbaugh-promotes-a-new-myth- g reeks-gave-themse/197046
 
2013-11-25 11:33:19 PM  

fusillade762: Fark keeps kicking out the link, "no content-type header"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/25/limbaugh-promotes-a-new-myth- g reeks-gave-themse/197046


Fark started hating MM links right around the time the sidebar got flooded with newsmax spam and mods started greening 5 WND threads a day.
 
2013-11-25 11:34:11 PM  
This story has the ingredients for a perfect storm of derp:

Homosexuals
Drug users
Welfare/Socialism
Europeans

Expect to be hearing about this A LOT from the right-wing Usual Suspects.
 
2013-11-25 11:36:36 PM  

spawn73: Lsherm: How the fark would the WHO even find that out?  Who in their right mind would confess to it?

Also, how farking desperate do you have to be to give yourself HIV for $950 a month?

Seeing as HIV doesn't lead to AIDS when treated, I guess it doesn't take much.

I wonder whether that money is supposed to go towards their medicene, in which case, that's a shortsighted plan.


it also says they get quicker access to drug replacement (like methaone) programs, and understand that when available, some hardcore junkies will alternate being on these programs and doing the real thing if they can.
so use a dirty needle and get free methadone, and money for the real thing. yay.
 
2013-11-25 11:37:09 PM  
where did the article say additional ...all it said was 700
 
2013-11-25 11:38:06 PM  
That's nothing, back in the 70's people use to buy boxes of AYDS just to lose weight!
 
2013-11-25 11:38:20 PM  

GoldSpider: Day_Old_Dutchie: This "financial crisis" is all the fault of greedy old balding men in suits shuffling paper around.

We wouldn't keep having these stupid things if we just abolished money.


Yes, a return to the days of serfdom and slavery would be just great!
 
2013-11-25 11:39:27 PM  
If something that is actually happening, which I doubt, it would be yet another unintended consequence of government intervention that the central planners didn't see coming.

Central planning keeps failing but people keep wanting more of it. Usually to solve its previous failures.

It's rather insane.

Guess everything is just going to have to go to hell before people figure out central planning doesn't work.
 
2013-11-25 11:41:24 PM  
cache.bordom.net
/oblig
 
2013-11-25 11:42:29 PM  

fusillade762: This story has the ingredients for a perfect storm of derp:

Homosexuals
Drug users
Welfare/Socialism
Europeans

Expect to be hearing about this A LOT from the right-wing Usual Suspects.


Seeing as how you are the one that brought that up. How exactly does it make right wingers the ones to suspect it?
 
2013-11-25 11:45:34 PM  
This may be counter-productive, but becoming a migrant refugee is a really popular solution to this very problem throughout the world and all history. Declare bankruptcy and hit the road for Austria. They'll hardly let you starve in Western Europe.
 
2013-11-25 11:46:07 PM  
Of course it's the farking Greeks. Laziest people on the planet, individually and culturally. I shouldn't be surprised they'll give themselves AIDS rather than work.
 
2013-11-25 11:49:11 PM  

kerrigand: fusillade762: This story has the ingredients for a perfect storm of derp:

Homosexuals
Drug users
Welfare/Socialism
Europeans

Expect to be hearing about this A LOT from the right-wing Usual Suspects.

Seeing as how you are the one that brought that up. How exactly does it make right wingers the ones to suspect it?


Rush Limbaugh, The Daily Caller, The Blaze, and Fox News are all hitting it hard with the "HALF OF ALL AID INFECTIONS IN GREECE ARE INTENTIONAL". Legitimate news agencies... not so much.
 
2013-11-25 11:55:31 PM  

wingnut396: Lsherm: Cobblestone Flag: wingnut396: Is this before or after they play the knockout game?

Yep. That's all this is.

*Click this link to learn about the government subsidy AND weight loss cure that the CONSERVATIVES don't want you to know about*

It's citing a World Health Organization study.  WHO isn't exactly "right leaning."

Actually the WHO is citing a Lancet article/study which says exactly the following:

An authoritative report described accounts of deliberate self-infection by a few individuals to obtain access to benefits of €700 per month and faster admission onto drug substitution programmes.

A few sounds like a lot less than half of all new cases to me.  But please, proceed to the outrage.

What the report does say is that the economic conditions in Greece have led to fewer people getting health care, increased drug use and associated diseases increase due to that. But that really doesn't sell numismatic gold coins far above spot prices and the latest you should be outraged/why old people are most awesomest books.


Then why in the hell is WHO citing it in the first place?  I'm not outraged, I was just pointing out (accurately, I might add) that this was a W.H.O. report.

The ball is in your court.  If it's bullshiat, which it sounds like, then why is WHO using it in a report?
 
2013-11-25 11:56:34 PM  

fusillade762: kerrigand: fusillade762: This story has the ingredients for a perfect storm of derp:

Homosexuals
Drug users
Welfare/Socialism
Europeans

Expect to be hearing about this A LOT from the right-wing Usual Suspects.

Seeing as how you are the one that brought that up. How exactly does it make right wingers the ones to suspect it?

Rush Limbaugh, The Daily Caller, The Blaze, and Fox News are all hitting it hard with the "HALF OF ALL AID INFECTIONS IN GREECE ARE INTENTIONAL". Legitimate news agencies... not so much.


That's fine and all. I don't follow those people.  But, that's not what I asked.

I asked YOU, as to seeing as to how YOU brought those up, how do they become a right-wing issue, when you're the one bringing those up in this thread?

I'll reiterate, who exactly brought this up in this thread?
 
2013-11-25 11:58:57 PM  

leadmetal: If something that is actually happening, which I doubt, it would be yet another unintended consequence of government intervention that the central planners didn't see coming.

Central planning keeps failing but people keep wanting more of it. Usually to solve its previous failures.

It's rather insane.

Guess everything is just going to have to go to hell before people figure out central planning doesn't work.


I think I can figure out what your Conservative Boogeyman Word of the Day Calendar has on it.
 
2013-11-25 11:59:08 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
Superman wants 700 euros.
 
2013-11-26 12:04:27 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Related: the 12 hottest greek girls (Probably not safe for work)


They are all skeletons and most have no breasts.
I bet I could find 50 hotter Greek girls without even trying, just casually looking around bars in Greece.
 
2013-11-26 12:04:45 AM  

kerrigand: fusillade762: kerrigand: fusillade762: This story has the ingredients for a perfect storm of derp:

Homosexuals
Drug users
Welfare/Socialism
Europeans

Expect to be hearing about this A LOT from the right-wing Usual Suspects.

Seeing as how you are the one that brought that up. How exactly does it make right wingers the ones to suspect it?

Rush Limbaugh, The Daily Caller, The Blaze, and Fox News are all hitting it hard with the "HALF OF ALL AID INFECTIONS IN GREECE ARE INTENTIONAL". Legitimate news agencies... not so much.

That's fine and all. I don't follow those people.  But, that's not what I asked.

I asked YOU, as to seeing as to how YOU brought those up, how do they become a right-wing issue, when you're the one bringing those up in this thread?

I'll reiterate, who exactly brought this up in this thread?


How does it become a right-wing issue? Did you miss the whole homosexual/drug using/European/welfare part?

I'm really not sure I understand your question.
 
2013-11-26 12:07:00 AM  
A nation that loves ass-sex has an HIV problem? never would have guessed.
 
2013-11-26 12:09:52 AM  

fusillade762: kerrigand: fusillade762: kerrigand: fusillade762: This story has the ingredients for a perfect storm of derp:

Homosexuals
Drug users
Welfare/Socialism
Europeans

Expect to be hearing about this A LOT from the right-wing Usual Suspects.

Seeing as how you are the one that brought that up. How exactly does it make right wingers the ones to suspect it?

Rush Limbaugh, The Daily Caller, The Blaze, and Fox News are all hitting it hard with the "HALF OF ALL AID INFECTIONS IN GREECE ARE INTENTIONAL". Legitimate news agencies... not so much.

That's fine and all. I don't follow those people.  But, that's not what I asked.

I asked YOU, as to seeing as to how YOU brought those up, how do they become a right-wing issue, when you're the one bringing those up in this thread?

I'll reiterate, who exactly brought this up in this thread?

How does it become a right-wing issue? Did you miss the whole homosexual/drug using/European/welfare part?

I'm really not sure I understand your question.


Sure I do. You attempted to(poorly) make this something of a right wing issue.
Yet, you're the one that brought this up and you want to try to make it some one else's fault.
Have I missed it so far? No?

You really don't realize what you say do you?
 
2013-11-26 12:10:24 AM  
if there were drug replacement programs available before austerity measures, i could see how there could be a spike in very desperate and unfortunate addicts.
anyone that cannot believe this might happen has not experienced withdrawals from heroin (i think).
 
2013-11-26 12:13:37 AM  

kerrigand: Sure I do. You attempted to(poorly) make this something of a right wing issue.


I didn't make it a right-wing issue. The websites that are flogging it made it a right-wing issue. If I'm wrong and we never hear about this again from them I'll readily admit my mistake.


kerrigand: Yet, you're the one that brought this up and you want to try to make it some one else's fault.


Fault for what?
 
2013-11-26 12:19:53 AM  
wannabevc.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-26 12:21:17 AM  

fusillade762: kerrigand: Sure I do. You attempted to(poorly) make this something of a right wing issue.

I didn't make it a right-wing issue. The websites that are flogging it made it a right-wing issue. If I'm wrong and we never hear about this again from them I'll readily admit my mistake.


fusillade762: kerrigand: fusillade762: This story has the ingredients for a perfect storm of derp:

Homosexuals
Drug users
Welfare/Socialism
Europeans

Expect to be hearing about this A LOT from the right-wing Usual Suspects.


I guess that wasn't you that stated that, right? Sorry. Maybe it was someone else?
 
2013-11-26 12:23:15 AM  
That problem will cure itself.
 
2013-11-26 12:26:05 AM  

edmo: That problem will cure itself.


This. On the off chance this story is even true and not just a hysterical crock of shiat, at least the parasites who are doing this will end up killing themselves and ridding the world of their burden.
 
2013-11-26 12:28:33 AM  

edmo: That problem will cure itself.


Yep... a self-correcting problem if ever there was one.
 
2013-11-26 12:34:26 AM  

TheHappyCanadian: wildsnowllama: Mugato: Aren't most HIV cases "self inflicted"?

Blood transfusions, rape, perinatal transmission...

[depts.washington.edu image 499x318]

stupid 1%ers


Unless my math is wrong, that adds up to 101%...

/also: that graph is for HIV cases solely among African-American males
//see figure 5
 
2013-11-26 12:34:57 AM  

taurusowner: edmo: That problem will cure itself.

This. On the off chance this story is even true and not just a hysterical crock of shiat, at least the parasites who are doing this will end up killing themselves and ridding the world of their burden.


this is just going to cost more money, the cost of treating hiv and then fba, compared to treating junkies is enormous, not to mention the possible increase in hiv that is not "self inflicted". i have to assume the type that would do this are not the kind to warn any sex partners.
 
2013-11-26 12:35:47 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well... they're Greek, FFS



Q:  How can you tell if a Greek is a gentleman?

A:  He takes a girl out on three dates before sleeping with her brother.
 
2013-11-26 12:37:49 AM  

The_Sponge: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well... they're Greek, FFS


Q:  How can you tell if a Greek is a gentleman?

A:  He takes a girl out on three dates before sleeping with her brother.


Q: How do they separate the men from the boys in Greece.

A: Crowbars
 
2013-11-26 12:39:48 AM  
Ummm..No.
 
2013-11-26 12:42:48 AM  

fusillade762: Riiiight.

Limbaugh Promotes A New Myth: Greeks Gave Themselves HIV For Welfare Money

However, the WHO report is incorrect. The WHO's source for this figure is a 2011 study in the British medical journal The Lancet. Here is what the Lancet study actually says:

An authoritative report described accounts of deliberate self-infection by a few individuals to obtain access to benefits of €700 per month and faster admission onto drug substitution programmes. These programmes offer access to synthetic opioids and can have waiting lists of 3 years or more in urban areas. [emphasis added]

Somehow, the "few individuals" mentioned by The Lancet became "half of new HIV infections" in the WHO report.
Fark keeps kicking out the link, "no content-type header"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/25/limbaugh-promotes-a-new-myth- g reeks-gave-themse/197046


I don't see how that's relevant.
 
2013-11-26 12:44:25 AM  

RsquaredW: leadmetal: If something that is actually happening, which I doubt, it would be yet another unintended consequence of government intervention that the central planners didn't see coming.

Central planning keeps failing but people keep wanting more of it. Usually to solve its previous failures.

It's rather insane.

Guess everything is just going to have to go to hell before people figure out central planning doesn't work.

I think I can figure out what your Conservative Boogeyman Word of the Day Calendar has on it.


Conservative? HAhahahahahaha.

I can see you're another person who thinks in mainstream media conditioned binary.
 
2013-11-26 12:47:18 AM  

Popular Opinion: spawn73: Lsherm: How the fark would the WHO even find that out?  Who in their right mind would confess to it?

Also, how farking desperate do you have to be to give yourself HIV for $950 a month?

Seeing as HIV doesn't lead to AIDS when treated, I guess it doesn't take much.

I wonder whether that money is supposed to go towards their medicene, in which case, that's a shortsighted plan.

it also says they get quicker access to drug replacement (like methaone) programs, and understand that when available, some hardcore junkies will alternate being on these programs and doing the real thing if they can.
so use a dirty needle and get free methadone, and money for the real thing. yay.


Yeah, that's kinda what I ended up concluding as well.

Methadone is great for drug addicts who wish to quit, or be addicts in a controlled manner. But not great for drug addicts still seeking the high they get from heroine.

A lot of countries have realised this, and now offer drug addicts access to the hardcore stuff. That way you get them away from the associated crime, cut out the drug dealers and ensure the drugaddicts get something that won't kill them.
 
2013-11-26 12:48:51 AM  
Pay losers to be losers has a downside? Unpossible!
 
2013-11-26 01:00:15 AM  

Popular Opinion: The_Sponge: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well... they're Greek, FFS


Q:  How can you tell if a Greek is a gentleman?

A:  He takes a girl out on three dates before sleeping with her brother.

Q: How do they separate the men from the boys in Greece.

A: Crowbars


Thanks. You made me wake up the baby with my giggling.
 
2013-11-26 01:09:37 AM  

leadmetal: RsquaredW: leadmetal: If something that is actually happening, which I doubt, it would be yet another unintended consequence of government intervention that the central planners didn't see coming.

Central planning keeps failing but people keep wanting more of it. Usually to solve its previous failures.

It's rather insane.

Guess everything is just going to have to go to hell before people figure out central planning doesn't work.

I think I can figure out what your Conservative Boogeyman Word of the Day Calendar has on it.

Conservative? HAhahahahahaha.

I can see you're another person who thinks in mainstream media conditioned binary.


There kind of is a binary, just not the one the media and most of the country thinks. It's not really Republican/Democrat or Conservative/Liberal. It's a lot closer to "statist/libertarian (small L)". People who look to the government for solutions and people who look within themselves for solutions. And how authoritarian someone is generally falls on that scale someplace. That goes for both Republicans who favor the drug war, prohibitions on gay marriage, and the police state as well as Democrats who favor trampling religious freedoms, enforcing politically correct speech and behavior with the fist of the state, cradle to grave government dependency and the police state as well. Both parties are extremely authoritarian and statist, just with some differing goals (and a lot of the same ones).
 
2013-11-26 01:11:15 AM  
It's a greek tragedy up in the land of Olympus, y'all!
 
2013-11-26 01:36:39 AM  

leadmetal: Guess everything is just going to have to go to hell before people figure out central planning doesn't work.


That didn't happen in most of the places where it's already failed, why would it happen here? And by that, I mean that even when everything goes to hell, people still can't figure out why. See: Detroit.
 
2013-11-26 01:36:48 AM  

kerrigand: fusillade762: kerrigand: Sure I do. You attempted to(poorly) make this something of a right wing issue.

I didn't make it a right-wing issue. The websites that are flogging it made it a right-wing issue. If I'm wrong and we never hear about this again from them I'll readily admit my mistake.

fusillade762: kerrigand: fusillade762: This story has the ingredients for a perfect storm of derp:

Homosexuals
Drug users
Welfare/Socialism
Europeans

Expect to be hearing about this A LOT from the right-wing Usual Suspects.

I guess that wasn't you that stated that, right? Sorry. Maybe it was someone else?


Let's cut to the chase here. If you have a point please make it.
 
2013-11-26 01:38:00 AM  

evil saltine: fusillade762: Riiiight.

Limbaugh Promotes A New Myth: Greeks Gave Themselves HIV For Welfare Money

However, the WHO report is incorrect. The WHO's source for this figure is a 2011 study in the British medical journal The Lancet. Here is what the Lancet study actually says:

An authoritative report described accounts of deliberate self-infection by a few individuals to obtain access to benefits of €700 per month and faster admission onto drug substitution programmes. These programmes offer access to synthetic opioids and can have waiting lists of 3 years or more in urban areas. [emphasis added]

Somehow, the "few individuals" mentioned by The Lancet became "half of new HIV infections" in the WHO report.
Fark keeps kicking out the link, "no content-type header"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/25/limbaugh-promotes-a-new-myth- g reeks-gave-themse/197046

I don't see how that's relevant.


The fact that the story Fox and Limbaugh are pushing is bullshiat isn't relevant?
 
2013-11-26 01:43:53 AM  

cc_rider: So, "austerity" really don't work after all? Huh. Who woulda thunk it?


It does work. It's just that the mainstream media (along with most politicians [even those who support austerity]) is not honest about what the effects of austerity are or what the effects of continued stimulus are. Granted, most politicians and journalists aren't very smart, and almost none of them understand economics. Our only two choices (and it's been like this since Nixon was in office) are crash now or crash harder later. Stimulus just pushes the problem into the future, and guarantees that the inevitable crash will be worse. If debt-based spending could fix the economy, it would already be fixed. Just look at all the stimulus since 1980, and it hasn't accomplished anything other than burden our kids with debt that they will not be able to pay.

psychicinsights.files.wordpress.com

Look at all that stimulus.
 
2013-11-26 01:53:27 AM  

kerrigand: fusillade762: kerrigand: fusillade762: This story has the ingredients for a perfect storm of derp:

Homosexuals
Drug users
Welfare/Socialism
Europeans

Expect to be hearing about this A LOT from the right-wing Usual Suspects.

Seeing as how you are the one that brought that up. How exactly does it make right wingers the ones to suspect it?

Rush Limbaugh, The Daily Caller, The Blaze, and Fox News are all hitting it hard with the "HALF OF ALL AID INFECTIONS IN GREECE ARE INTENTIONAL". Legitimate news agencies... not so much.

That's fine and all. I don't follow those people.  But, that's not what I asked.

I asked YOU, as to seeing as to how YOU brought those up, how do they become a right-wing issue, when you're the one bringing those up in this thread?

I'll reiterate, who exactly brought this up in this thread?


Uhh, who brought this up in this thread? The article, on this very subject that the entire thread is about. Common knowledge of both the foundations that donate to fox, and the news agency them selves are known to be conservative leaning.

That is what you consider "right wing", no? Unless you're simply acting this way to feed your bruised ego, because you do not wish to accept that this is in fact the topic of discussion, in a thread, about a news article provided by a right wing entertainment agency.
 
2013-11-26 02:11:25 AM  

DrPainMD: cc_rider: So, "austerity" really don't work after all? Huh. Who woulda thunk it?

It does work. It's just that the mainstream media (along with most politicians [even those who support austerity]) is not honest about what the effects of austerity are or what the effects of continued stimulus are. Granted, most politicians and journalists aren't very smart, and almost none of them understand economics. Our only two choices (and it's been like this since Nixon was in office) are crash now or crash harder later. Stimulus just pushes the problem into the future, and guarantees that the inevitable crash will be worse. If debt-based spending could fix the economy, it would already be fixed. Just look at all the stimulus since 1980, and it hasn't accomplished anything other than burden our kids with debt that they will not be able to pay.

[psychicinsights.files.wordpress.com image 400x309]

Look at all that stimulus.


Dude, even the IMF has given up on austerity.

IMF: Austerity is much worse for the economy than we thought
 
2013-11-26 02:51:55 AM  
All we get here is a T-shirt saying:  "Don't fark me, I have HIV".
 
2013-11-26 03:14:02 AM  
Wow, I think my bullshiat detector just exploded.

Shame on you, subby, for treating Fox Business like a source of real information.
 
2013-11-26 03:17:52 AM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Wow, I think my bullshiat detector just exploded.

Shame on you, subby, for treating Fox Business like a source of real information.


You might not have noticed, but this isn't a news site. It's Fark.com.
 
2013-11-26 03:25:24 AM  
 
2013-11-26 04:12:14 AM  
This is of course based on the well-founded suspicion that convincing sovereign nations to take on more debt than they can handle is good for their economy.
 
2013-11-26 04:15:50 AM  

DrPainMD: cc_rider: So, "austerity" really don't work after all? Huh. Who woulda thunk it?

It does work. It's just that the mainstream media (along with most politicians [even those who support austerity]) is not honest about what the effects of austerity are or what the effects of continued stimulus are. Granted, most politicians and journalists aren't very smart, and almost none of them understand economics. Our only two choices (and it's been like this since Nixon was in office) are crash now or crash harder later. Stimulus just pushes the problem into the future, and guarantees that the inevitable crash will be worse. If debt-based spending could fix the economy, it would already be fixed. Just look at all the stimulus since 1980, and it hasn't accomplished anything other than burden our kids with debt that they will not be able to pay.

[psychicinsights.files.wordpress.com image 400x309]

Look at all that stimulus.


Do your kids live in Greece? Just wondering.
 
2013-11-26 05:11:21 AM  
Does anyone actually believe this? Anyone?
 
2013-11-26 05:31:56 AM  
This here is why I work hard and make sure that I'm always doing a job that makes other people richer or happier. You do a coasting government non-job or live on welfare, when the government falls apart, you are screwed. Not just because you lost your job, but because you don't have a CV will skills that someone will pay you for.
 
2013-11-26 06:46:14 AM  

Lsherm: How the fark would the WHO even find that out?  Who in their right mind would confess to it?

Also, how farking desperate do you have to be to give yourself HIV for $950 a month?



1.  Statistics.
2.  Who in their right mind would infect themselves with HIV deliberately?  Plus, once it's done if there's no negatives to admitting it...
3.  Drug users - it says that HIV infection enables them to move to the head of the line for treatment.

wildsnowllama: Mugato: Aren't most HIV cases "self inflicted"?

Blood transfusions, rape, perinatal transmission...



Do those add up to 'most'?  Still, I'd even add in 'infected by partner who was sleeping around w/o your knowledge'.  At that point I think that most infections today are NOT what I'd consider 'self inflicted' in the sense that just because I go driving tomorrow doesn't mean that it's self-inflicted if I get into an accident.  If I go out drunk in a blizzard, then said accident could be considered self-inflicted, so I wouldn't say that even just 'sleeping around' is enough to self-inflict unless you're having sex with somebody that you know is HIV positive.
 
2013-11-26 08:10:01 AM  
This is a self limiting problem.
 
2013-11-26 08:16:07 AM  

Lsherm: Then why in the hell is WHO citing it in the first place?  I'm not outraged, I was just pointing out (accurately, I might add) that this was a W.H.O. report.

The ball is in your court.  If it's bullshiat, which it sounds like, then why is WHO using it in a report?


The WHO is not reporting that half of all new aids cases are intentional.

They WHO is reporting from a wide array of agencies of the general health situation.  One of the reports they use are consolidated from The Lancet.  The Lancet report does show an increase of HIV among drug users, causing about 50% of the increase.  That report says, I had quoted above, that A FEW people deliberately infected themselves for benefits.  NOTHING factual says that 50% of all new HIV cases in greece are intentionally done in order to get benefits.  That flat out lie comes from the right wing noise machine and nothing else.

Just like the 'knockout' game.  Take a few actual incidents, and then lie to make it a large issue in order to scare your core market so they keep watching you.  It pure and simple bullshiat.

The WHO report is linked TFA.  The Lancet article is linked in the WHO report.  I've already linked the pertinent information, so the ball is still in your court, so to speak.
 
2013-11-26 08:50:35 AM  

spawn73: A lot of countries have realised this, and now offer drug addicts access to the hardcore stuff. That way you get them away from the associated crime, cut out the drug dealers and ensure the drugaddicts get something that won't kill them.


Why would you want to keep them alive?
 
2013-11-26 08:59:58 AM  

tripleseven: dookdookdook: Lsherm: Also, how farking desperate do you have to be to give yourself HIV for $950 a month?

Addicted to drugs, probably homeless, 3 year wait for rehab otherwise, almost normal life expectancy for HIV patients, national government determined to (or forced to by the EU) make life for its citizens as miserable as possible... I could possibly see myself doing it under the circumstances.

Plan B is to try to swim to Italy.

Why would you need to swim to Italy?

As an EU member citizen, you can travel freely.  This isn't Cuba and the US FFS.


Why the hell would they go to Italy anyways? Isn't that just "out of the frying pan and into the fire? "Hey! Let's go from one political scandal- ridden, economically failing country with a corrupt government to another! Things will SURELY improve for us then!"
 
2013-11-26 09:18:34 AM  

DrPainMD: Granted, most politicians and journalists aren't very smart, and almost none of them understand economics. Our only two choices (and it's been like this since Nixon was in office) are crash now or crash harder later. Stimulus just pushes the problem into the future, and guarantees that the inevitable crash will be worse.


Even smart economists can't predict what the economy will do in the future... they can only develop models and theories about why it did whatever it did in the past.  Predicting a crash sometime in the future is like predicting an solar eclipse will happen sometime in the future.  Of course it will crash.  Every economy ever invented eventually crashed.  The "good" ones recover and crash again and again. That "inevitable crash" bullshiat is meaningless.

With regard to the idea that we can crash now or crash harder later, I submit to you that for the vast majority of Americans there is no difference between those two scenarios.  The people who lose the most in the "crash harder later" scenario are the extremely wealthy... in other words, they are already the ones controlling policy and siphoning value out of the economy into their personal fiefdoms. For the little guys, hyperinflation means you pay off your 30-year note in 6 months and for the destitute there is always the option to eat the rich.

The problem of national debt goes away once you realize that in a card crash the debt would be repudiated and the US dollar simply dissolved.  Wealth will be redistributed and the currency and basically the whole society gets a reboot.
 
2013-11-26 09:35:02 AM  
 Since it's coming from Fox Business I'm inclined to think this is just another "ERMEGERD!! AREN'T POOR PEOPLE WEIRD!!" bullshiat story that they're known for rolling out every once in awhile.

/ I hear they have toilets, and refrigerators too.
 
2013-11-26 10:28:52 AM  

kazikian: Does anyone actually believe this? Anyone?


Well, Rush Limbaugh does.

It's actually an editing error.  The report actually meant to say that half of HIV cases are heroin users.
 
2013-11-26 10:37:11 AM  
Fox Business?

Story completely made up. Probably pulled out of the random words hat.
 
2013-11-26 10:44:51 AM  
Sounds like an e-mail chain from my Aunt.
 
2013-11-26 10:55:11 AM  
Where do you get AIDS from?
A whore , 8 times.
l1.yimg.com
 
2013-11-26 11:15:41 AM  
 
2013-11-26 11:54:12 AM  
 
2013-11-26 12:47:11 PM  

Bondith: Reported by Fox News?  Wait, Fox Business News?  I feel confident in declaring this never happened.


It may have but I won't find out by clicking that link.
 
2013-11-26 02:33:08 PM  

fusillade762: DrPainMD: cc_rider: So, "austerity" really don't work after all? Huh. Who woulda thunk it?

It does work. It's just that the mainstream media (along with most politicians [even those who support austerity]) is not honest about what the effects of austerity are or what the effects of continued stimulus are. Granted, most politicians and journalists aren't very smart, and almost none of them understand economics. Our only two choices (and it's been like this since Nixon was in office) are crash now or crash harder later. Stimulus just pushes the problem into the future, and guarantees that the inevitable crash will be worse. If debt-based spending could fix the economy, it would already be fixed. Just look at all the stimulus since 1980, and it hasn't accomplished anything other than burden our kids with debt that they will not be able to pay.

[psychicinsights.files.wordpress.com image 400x309]

Look at all that stimulus.

Dude, even the IMF has given up on austerity.

IMF: Austerity is much worse for the economy than we thought


You clearly don't understand what the goal of the austerity in Greece is.

Let me make it clear: Do stop the government deficit.


That's it, and it's doing it. There's no other goal.
 
2013-11-27 12:12:09 AM  
Seriously, when are people going to learn not to get their information from Fox. Might as well have quoted WND.

If you track the story back to the source, it's an article by someone who's concerned that people *might* do it.
 
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