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2013-11-25 03:14:15 PM
So when you control women, you desire to further control women?  Yeah, I can see that.
 
2013-11-25 03:25:37 PM
What are the statistics for having offspring with butts?  What if you had a good band with your vagina? Like say The Toadies?
 
2013-11-25 04:24:00 PM
Whereas if you have sons, you want to burn the world down before anyone else has a pack of marauding deviants they call sons.
 
2013-11-25 04:24:16 PM
I'm wondering if there is any chance of reversed causality here? Generally guys with low sperm counts tend to have girls.
 
2013-11-25 04:24:28 PM
That's actually a pretty interesting correlation - having a female child and being a Republican.  Usually with correlations you can think of other explanations in order to point out there is no causative relationship but what are you going to come up with here?  Being Republican increases your chance of having female babies?
 
2013-11-25 04:25:43 PM

James!: What are the statistics for having offspring with butts?  What if you had a good band with your vagina? Like say The Toadies?


If I ever put together a 90s tribute band, I'm going to name it Offspring With Butts.
 
2013-11-25 04:26:17 PM
I've got a household of those things. It's not the vaginas I'm against. It's all those peni (is that the plural form?) that are not attached to me that I want to control. I want my daughter's to be free to make their own decisions without some cranky old bible-thumping man telling her what to do.
 
2013-11-25 04:26:43 PM

lennavan: That's actually a pretty interesting correlation - having a female child and being a Republican.  Usually with correlations you can think of other explanations in order to point out there is no causative relationship but what are you going to come up with here?  Being Republican increases your chance of having female babies?


As I said earlier, low sperm count.
 
2013-11-25 04:26:57 PM
no citation
was once claimed that submisive females were more likely to produce females
domiant females more likely to produce males
 
2013-11-25 04:26:59 PM
Does this mean if my husband and I have kids, they will all be males with giant penises?
 
2013-11-25 04:27:36 PM
I have four daughters, and I call bullshiat on this finding.

That is all.
 
2013-11-25 04:27:51 PM
Part of our culture is being absurdly and unreasonably defensive of daughters(in particular).  It's normalized throughout our fiction, religion, and politics.  And it's not like women are the only ones unconsciously influenced by a patriarchal culture.  Parents(especially fathers) will feel peer pressure if they don't keep a tight lid on their daughters' lives.

Naturally those prejudices are going to flow into the way they vote.

Other than "Finding Nemo" I can't think of a single piece of fiction where someone has to go rescue their son from evil abductors, but it happens all the time with daughters.
 
2013-11-25 04:28:02 PM
Data from 94?

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-25 04:29:20 PM
I guess I would be an outlier. I have two daughters and have never voted Republican. Must be their mothers had some civilizing effect on me.
 
2013-11-25 04:29:24 PM

SordidEuphemism: I have four daughters, and I call bullshiat on this finding.

That is all.


I have a daughter and call BS with you.
 
2013-11-25 04:29:44 PM

SordidEuphemism: I have four daughters, and I call bullshiat on this finding.

That is all.


You know that statistics don't state universalities, right?  People are complicated and it's absolutely the case that no one factor is going to define us.
 
2013-11-25 04:29:53 PM
This is rapidly approaching the "People named Fred are Orange" school of research.

Seriously, WTF am I reading?
 
2013-11-25 04:30:16 PM
I'm absolutely disgusted with republicans, both legislative and voters, and my only offspring is a female.
 
2013-11-25 04:31:49 PM

lennavan: That's actually a pretty interesting correlation - having a female child and being a Republican.  Usually with correlations you can think of other explanations in order to point out there is no causative relationship but what are you going to come up with here?  Being Republican increases your chance of having female babies?


people tend to solidify their political leanings in early 20s and generally don't change them after mid 20s.

This more likely that men, in general, have a hard time understanding their daughters are sexual creatures like they-themselves are
 
2013-11-25 04:32:28 PM

Krymson Tyde: I'm absolutely disgusted with republicans, both legislative and voters, and my only offspring is a female.


Argh, stop it!  Stop you guys.  Being more likely to be something != being something.

Just because I'm more likely to roll a 2+ on a six sided die than not doesn't mean I'm not going to roll a 1.
 
2013-11-25 04:33:25 PM

SordidEuphemism: I have four daughters, and I call bullshiat on this finding.

That is all.


Nope. You are raising 4 Sarah Palins. Nothing you can do about it. Obviously the gene hasn't triggered yet.
 
2013-11-25 04:35:06 PM
media.screened.com

"... the word itself makes some men uncomfortable."
 
2013-11-25 04:35:13 PM

keithgabryelski: This more likely that men, in general, have a hard time understanding their daughters are sexual creatures like they-themselves are


Some wise person, I forget who, pointed out that the absolute worst thing a father can do in raising a daughter is to deny or be uncomfortable about her sexuality. It's a recipe for the poor girl having a f*cked-up sexuality for the rest of her life.
 
2013-11-25 04:36:11 PM

lennavan: That's actually a pretty interesting correlation - having a female child and being a Republican.  Usually with correlations you can think of other explanations in order to point out there is no causative relationship but what are you going to come up with here?  Being Republican increases your chance of having female babies?


Well, it increases you chances of being swayed by a paid Labiast.
 
2013-11-25 04:36:21 PM
sorry if I don't find 11% to be very statistically significant....
 
2013-11-25 04:37:04 PM

Perlin Noise: sorry if I don't find 11% to be very statistically significant....


It could upset a Presidential race.
 
2013-11-25 04:37:06 PM

keithgabryelski: lennavan: That's actually a pretty interesting correlation - having a female child and being a Republican. Usually with correlations you can think of other explanations in order to point out there is no causative relationship but what are you going to come up with here? Being Republican increases your chance of having female babies?

people tend to solidify their political leanings in early 20s and generally don't change them after mid 20s.


Unless apparently they have daughters.
 
2013-11-25 04:37:20 PM

Wooly Bully: keithgabryelski: This more likely that men, in general, have a hard time understanding their daughters are sexual creatures like they-themselves are

Some wise person, I forget who, pointed out that the absolute worst thing a father can do in raising a daughter is to deny or be uncomfortable about her sexuality. It's a recipe for the poor girl having a f*cked-up sexuality for the rest of her life.


Well, no, the worst thing a father can do is genocide and torture, just like anyone else.  But messing up your childrens' sexuality due to your own uncertainty is an easy thing to do.
 
2013-11-25 04:38:12 PM
Well, think about it.  Republicans have always done a good job of controlling the vaginas of their daughters.

images.huffingtonpost.com
 
2013-11-25 04:38:53 PM

Perlin Noise: sorry if I don't find 11% to be very statistically significant....


What percentage would you deem to be very, or for that matter slightly, statistically significant?
 
2013-11-25 04:39:12 PM

Wooly Bully: keithgabryelski: This more likely that men, in general, have a hard time understanding their daughters are sexual creatures like they-themselves are

Some wise person, I forget who, pointed out that the absolute worst thing a father can do in raising a daughter is to deny or be uncomfortable about her sexuality. It's a recipe for the poor girl having a f*cked-up sexuality for the rest of her life.


The talk I've had with both of mine, (24 and 14), goes something like; sex is a human function. Here are all the ways you can protect yourself from unfortunate consequences. I will never judge you for being human and sexual, but I will judge you fairly harshly for being stupid about it.
 
2013-11-25 04:40:40 PM
"The study was based on the General Social Survey in 1994"

When did the War on Women start?
 
2013-11-25 04:41:27 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "The study was based on the General Social Survey in 1994"

When did the War on Women start?


It makes sense, though. Pop culture repeats itself after 20 years.
 
2013-11-25 04:43:03 PM
LOL!

GOP "social conservatism" is better for your daughter!

if you believe that, you don't deserve parenthood & you should feel bad.
 
2013-11-25 04:43:06 PM

ikanreed: Part of our culture is being absurdly and unreasonably defensive of daughters(in particular).  It's normalized throughout our fiction, religion, and politics.  And it's not like women are the only ones unconsciously influenced by a patriarchal culture.  Parents(especially fathers) will feel peer pressure if they don't keep a tight lid on their daughters' lives.


CSB:

Have an infant son, he's a little under a year old. Almost all the other parents we know with babies about the same age have baby girls. In almost every case when we've had playdates (well - parent socials with infants doing infant things) and the little guy been roaming the floor the other fathers have made joking-but-not-quite comments about being super protective and how in a few years boys better be careful when visiting the house and so on. The moms usually roll their eyes.

They're all first time dads and most have had their baby for about months, so not issues they've dealt with while raising their baby's older sisters. At the kids current age the only real difference between having a girl vs boy is how careful you have to be when wiping after changing a diaper. The issues all these dads are sort-of-joking about are a long long way away - but are obviously very much in the forefront of these guys minds.
 
2013-11-25 04:46:08 PM

JolobinSmokin: SordidEuphemism: I have four daughters, and I call bullshiat on this finding.

That is all.

I have a daughter and call BS with you.



Same here.  One day I told my daughter about how Santorum had stated that contraception is "harmful to women."

My daughter's reply:  "That's effed up, Dad."
 
2013-11-25 04:46:58 PM

JolobinSmokin: SordidEuphemism: I have four daughters, and I call bullshiat on this finding.

That is all.

I have a daughter and call BS with you.


Believe what you like. I have five sisters (only boy) and four daughters (and one son) and I'm one of the libbiest libs who ever libbed. Yes, yes, statistics are 'trends' and not truths, but I think they may have this correlation reversed a bit.

I can see why they might come to this conclusion, though. Conservative families don't want more daughters, they want a son. Growing up, I constantly heard about the (Roman Catholic) families 'trying for a boy'. That is, once a boy was born, they'd stop having kids. That tends to skew the results towards multiple girls over time.
 
2013-11-25 04:47:42 PM

Tigger: Perlin Noise: sorry if I don't find 11% to be very statistically significant....

What percentage would you deem to be very, or for that matter slightly, statistically significant?


This is, of course, a good question. I was not saying that it is not technically considered significant. I, personally, would start wondering what was going on when it hit 50% more likely. I guess I have a high bar for significant.

whidbey: Perlin Noise: sorry if I don't find 11% to be very statistically significant....

It could upset a Presidential race.


I guess ...if 11% of families starting with girls or with girls only is a big enough number...is it? And because you consider yourself (identify) with Republicans does not mean you like their candidate.

Everything about that article creates more questions than answers....
 
2013-11-25 04:48:28 PM

Isitoveryet: LOL!

GOP "social conservatism" is better for your daughter!

if you believe that, you don't deserve parenthood & you should feel bad.


Well I can understand why lower taxes, private schools and sequestering them from loose liberal moral values might be a good thing. They might even vote to legalize marijuana if not steered in the right direction. And we can't have them on the pill or using abortion as birth control. It's better to raise them in a morally structured environment so they don't go astray when they get to college, which is going to be Baylor and will be very expensive. So better crank up those oil futures.
 
2013-11-25 04:51:49 PM

a_bilge_monkey: Wooly Bully: keithgabryelski: This more likely that men, in general, have a hard time understanding their daughters are sexual creatures like they-themselves are

Some wise person, I forget who, pointed out that the absolute worst thing a father can do in raising a daughter is to deny or be uncomfortable about her sexuality. It's a recipe for the poor girl having a f*cked-up sexuality for the rest of her life.

The talk I've had with both of mine, (24 and 14), goes something like; sex is a human function. Here are all the ways you can protect yourself from unfortunate consequences. I will never judge you for being human and sexual, but I will judge you fairly harshly for being stupid about it.


Well mine's only 7 so we haven't had that talk yet, but when the time comes I'm going to remember this advice: don't just acknowledge her sexuality, affirm it and celebrate it. It's psychologically very important for a girl at a certain stage of her development to know her father knows she's a sexual person and thinks that's good.
 
2013-11-25 04:52:16 PM
This is bad news for Obama
 
2013-11-25 04:53:16 PM

SordidEuphemism: JolobinSmokin: SordidEuphemism: I have four daughters, and I call bullshiat on this finding.

That is all.

I have a daughter and call BS with you.

Believe what you like. I have five sisters (only boy) and four daughters (and one son) and I'm one of the libbiest libs who ever libbed. Yes, yes, statistics are 'trends' and not truths, but I think they may have this correlation reversed a bit.

I can see why they might come to this conclusion, though. Conservative families don't want more daughters, they want a son. Growing up, I constantly heard about the (Roman Catholic) families 'trying for a boy'. That is, once a boy was born, they'd stop having kids. That tends to skew the results towards multiple girls over time.


Wait I thought this was originally a joke:

Is it really your position that they must have the universe level correlation reversed because it doesn't apply to a sample of only you?
 
2013-11-25 04:53:47 PM

Perlin Noise: sorry if I don't find 11% to be very statistically significant....


"Statistically significant" is a precise term with a precise meaning. It does not matter what you "find."
 
2013-11-25 04:54:04 PM

Perlin Noise: Tigger: Perlin Noise: sorry if I don't find 11% to be very statistically significant....

What percentage would you deem to be very, or for that matter slightly, statistically significant?

This is, of course, a good question. I was not saying that it is not technically considered significant. I, personally, would start wondering what was going on when it hit 50% more likely. I guess I have a high bar for significant.


It's more that you just don't really know what it means. at all.
 
2013-11-25 04:54:04 PM
Yeah, just throw me on the growing pile of dads with daughters who are waving the BS flag on these shenanigans. The older my daughter gets, the further and further away from Republicanism I go.

/raised in GOP household
//actually voted for Bush Sr.
 
2013-11-25 04:55:04 PM

keithgabryelski: people tend to solidify their political leanings in early 20s and generally don't change them after mid 20s.


glad you put "tend" and "generally" in there. i voted for goldwater in '64 and kerry '04 and obama twice. talking to people on the right now and i wonder what the hell is wrong with them. along about clinton the right started going nuts.
 
2013-11-25 04:55:31 PM

Perlin Noise: Everything about that article creates more questions than answers....


You mean...it's probably...BULLSHIAT?

interestingthings.info
 
2013-11-25 04:56:51 PM

Tigger: It's more that you just don't really know what it means. at all.


hehe ...GO ON THE ATTACK!!! that's cute ....
 
2013-11-25 04:56:55 PM

Tigger: SordidEuphemism: JolobinSmokin: SordidEuphemism: I have four daughters, and I call bullshiat on this finding.

That is all.

I have a daughter and call BS with you.

Believe what you like. I have five sisters (only boy) and four daughters (and one son) and I'm one of the libbiest libs who ever libbed. Yes, yes, statistics are 'trends' and not truths, but I think they may have this correlation reversed a bit.

I can see why they might come to this conclusion, though. Conservative families don't want more daughters, they want a son. Growing up, I constantly heard about the (Roman Catholic) families 'trying for a boy'. That is, once a boy was born, they'd stop having kids. That tends to skew the results towards multiple girls over time.

Wait I thought this was originally a joke:

Is it really your position that they must have the universe level correlation reversed because it doesn't apply to a sample of only you?


No, that's not my position. My Weeners was light-hearted, but upon further consideration I disagree in general with the study. I think it's poorly done, and looks for too simple an answer. I suggest a possible rationale for the study's findings in my follow-up reply to Jolobin.
 
2013-11-25 04:58:51 PM

SordidEuphemism: My Weeners was light-hearted


Annnnd filterpwned.
 
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