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2013-11-25 03:50:05 PM
Doesn't surprise me a bit.
 
2013-11-25 03:52:18 PM
Makes for an interesting catering cart the next day.
 
2013-11-25 03:52:45 PM
I really don't need anymore help hating humans.
 
2013-11-25 03:53:19 PM
I demand a full scale investigation into the misuse, negligence, abuse, and unnecessary harm inflicted on the kitten in Miley's video from the AMA's.

/outaged.
//kinda
 
2013-11-25 03:55:04 PM
This is my new phone wallpaper...

www.hollywoodreporter.com
 
2013-11-25 03:57:02 PM
Terminally. Ill. Stunt. Ewes.
 
2013-11-25 04:01:43 PM
I'm glad they're dead, and I hope they burn in hell.
 
2013-11-25 04:04:51 PM
I demand the Academy Awards 'In Memoriam' montage include shots of goats and squirrels and horses.
 
2013-11-25 04:04:58 PM

LZeitgeist: Doesn't surprise me a bit.


Came for this. It's the American way. It's why euthanasia will work everywhere but the States, because making a buck will be involved.

Also, I had no idea the Hollywood Reporter had relatively innovative web design. Beats the usual template slide show.
 
2013-11-25 04:05:42 PM
Hollywood lied to us? GTFO! The next thing you will say is DC is full of liars.
 
2013-11-25 04:06:42 PM
Wow, I knew Marmaduke was bad, but I didn't realize it was so bad it gave the doggy actors in it cancer.
 
2013-11-25 04:15:24 PM
Animals die... it happens in farms, in the wild, and *gasp* on sets.

Point of the AHA was (or should be) to make sure all reasonable precautions were taken and that intentional cruelty wasn't taking place, and really nothing in the article indicates anything else happened.  An elderly giraffe dying during production does not indicate anything wrong occurred, it likely was about to die anyway.  A dog with cancer died while filming a movie... well stop the presses!

(( To be clear, I've in full support of animal welfare and ethical treatment, but as long as the crew weren't being negligent or cruel I see no harm done ))
 
2013-11-25 04:16:28 PM
Well, that's a shocker. And all this time I just hung around PETA shelters to watch animals get killed. Off to Netflix I go!
 
2013-11-25 04:22:39 PM

PhDemented: Animals die... it happens in farms, in the wild, and *gasp* on sets.

Point of the AHA was (or should be) to make sure all reasonable precautions were taken and that intentional cruelty wasn't taking place, and really nothing in the article indicates anything else happened.  An elderly giraffe dying during production does not indicate anything wrong occurred, it likely was about to die anyway.  A dog with cancer died while filming a movie... well stop the presses!

(( To be clear, I've in full support of animal welfare and ethical treatment, but as long as the crew weren't being negligent or cruel I see no harm done ))


Exactly. Animals are not like people, and don't always hit their mark, accidents happen. The idea is that the director isn't shooting the horse dying scene with a dying horse, that he put in that position.

Also BTW, sometimes people die on movie sets too.
 
2013-11-25 04:22:59 PM
You wouldn't believe how many takes to get the ending of Old Yeller just right. For at least an hour Tommy Kirk was left pounding helplessly on dog carcasses until they could get an extra to go grab another box of shells. and then it took at least ten more until he was calmed down enough.
 
2013-11-25 04:23:55 PM
Animals died for my breakfast too.
 
2013-11-25 04:24:15 PM
They were actually rotoscoped?
 
2013-11-25 04:24:21 PM
FTFA: On Paramount's Failure to Launch, a handler dropped a chipmunk, stepped on it and killed it.

The tragedy here is that Failure to Launch was made.
 
2013-11-25 04:24:34 PM
I like the fact that the AHA representative was having an affair with an exec for the film she was supposed to be monitoring. That's high-class. High. Class.
 
2013-11-25 04:24:37 PM

Modified Wooden Paper Towel Holder: I demand a full scale investigation into the misuse, negligence, abuse, and unnecessary harm inflicted on the kitten in Miley's video from the AMA's.

/outaged.
//kinda


Regarding Miley Cyrus, no kittens have been harmed. Hannah Montana, on the other hand, is responsible for the deaths of thousands of kittens.
 
2013-11-25 04:25:24 PM
The water buffalo from Apocalypse Now would like a word with everyone.
 
2013-11-25 04:26:38 PM
You give an organization money and they just say what you want them to?  Shocker...how long has this been around for?

People still believe this shiat?
 
2013-11-25 04:26:54 PM
New end credits note:

No animals were harmed on purpose during the production of this motion picture.

 
2013-11-25 04:29:13 PM
On Paramount's Failure to Launch, a handler dropped a chipmunk, stepped on it and killed it.

Oh god.  I really am a horrible individual.  I nearly larfed out loud at that.  Visualizing a Jerry Lewis stumble with an endind of sad trombone.
 
2013-11-25 04:29:58 PM

carnifex2005: This is my new phone wallpaper...

[www.hollywoodreporter.com image 819x1024]


If animals where dying to make good movies, then their sacrifices would be worthwhile. But those responsible for killing that chipmunk so they could make 'Failure to launch' should be executed.
 
2013-11-25 04:31:13 PM

pedobearapproved: PhDemented: Animals die... it happens in farms, in the wild, and *gasp* on sets.

Point of the AHA was (or should be) to make sure all reasonable precautions were taken and that intentional cruelty wasn't taking place, and really nothing in the article indicates anything else happened.  An elderly giraffe dying during production does not indicate anything wrong occurred, it likely was about to die anyway.  A dog with cancer died while filming a movie... well stop the presses!

(( To be clear, I've in full support of animal welfare and ethical treatment, but as long as the crew weren't being negligent or cruel I see no harm done ))

Exactly. Animals are not like people, and don't always hit their mark, accidents happen. The idea is that the director isn't shooting the horse dying scene with a dying horse, that he put in that position.

Also BTW, sometimes people die on movie sets too.


I am also in support of animal welfare and ethical treatment, and I agree with what both of you said. But, this part seems a little different than the rest of this article.

FTFA: A Husky dog was punched repeatedly in its diaphragm on Disney's 2006 Antarctic sledding movie Eight Below, starring Paul Walker
 
2013-11-25 04:34:41 PM
Not drowning is not harmed imo, although I'm sure a panicked Tiger is a Very Bad Thing on a movie set lol. Sheep dying on a 3rd party farm/pasture isn't something that really has anything to do with the production itself, and honestly who the fark cares that goldfish in a tank died from a water change, or that a dog died of old age on set?

Still, there are enough problems with how the agency reports that it should definitely get de-certified until it meets a more rigorous standard of conduct, some of those reports are unprofessional as all hell.
 
2013-11-25 04:35:39 PM

DarkScarab: FTFA: A Husky dog was punched repeatedly in its diaphragm on Disney's 2006 Antarctic sledding movie Eight Below, starring Paul Walker


Yeah, forgot that one... that is clearly abuse, and should be treated as such
 
2013-11-25 04:36:08 PM
FTA:

"This one take with him just went really bad and he got lost trying to swim to the side," Johnson wrote. "Damn near drowned."

And now that e-mail has been in widespread use for about thirty years, WHY is it that people still write this hush-hush inter-office stuff on e-mail?

Not that I advocate secrecy for on-set accidents, but how is it that some people have used e-mail their entire lives and still don't understand that IT LASTS FOREVER?
 
2013-11-25 04:37:32 PM

DarkScarab: pedobearapproved: PhDemented: Animals die... it happens in farms, in the wild, and *gasp* on sets.

Point of the AHA was (or should be) to make sure all reasonable precautions were taken and that intentional cruelty wasn't taking place, and really nothing in the article indicates anything else happened.  An elderly giraffe dying during production does not indicate anything wrong occurred, it likely was about to die anyway.  A dog with cancer died while filming a movie... well stop the presses!

(( To be clear, I've in full support of animal welfare and ethical treatment, but as long as the crew weren't being negligent or cruel I see no harm done ))

Exactly. Animals are not like people, and don't always hit their mark, accidents happen. The idea is that the director isn't shooting the horse dying scene with a dying horse, that he put in that position.

Also BTW, sometimes people die on movie sets too.

I am also in support of animal welfare and ethical treatment, and I agree with what both of you said. But, this part seems a little different than the rest of this article.

FTFA: A Husky dog was punched repeatedly in its diaphragm on Disney's 2006 Antarctic sledding movie Eight Below, starring Paul Walker


Yeah, that was a bad one, but then if you're filming outside in a national park and three dogs are trying to kill each other, I wouldn't know how to second guess an animal handler on how to handle that situation. Apparently he broke up the fight and kept the three dogs alive, but it sounds like he should have had access to a dog-catcher loop-stick-thingie, whatever those things are called. Also, he should have been fired, instantly.
 
2013-11-25 04:45:37 PM

PhDemented: DarkScarab: FTFA: A Husky dog was punched repeatedly in its diaphragm on Disney's 2006 Antarctic sledding movie Eight Below, starring Paul Walker

Yeah, forgot that one... that is clearly abuse, and should be treated as such


I am 100% against the punching of dogs. That's a moral outrage.

Punching babies should be judged on a case-by-case basis.

/yes I'm joking
//even though some babies are dicks
///I don't know what those babies' problems are
 
2013-11-25 04:46:37 PM
Milo and Otis was basically a snuff film.
clzimages.com
 
2013-11-25 04:48:09 PM
Sounds right. Wasn't there something a while back about a Crow that died on set?
 
2013-11-25 04:48:29 PM
opinionize.files.wordpress.com

"Did you try staples?"
 
2013-11-25 04:49:32 PM
You mean to tell me that the cow scene at the end of Apocalypse Now was real!

/the horror.
//the horror.
 
2013-11-25 04:49:40 PM

EJ25T: FTA:

"This one take with him just went really bad and he got lost trying to swim to the side," Johnson wrote. "Damn near drowned."

And now that e-mail has been in widespread use for about thirty years, WHY is it that people still write this hush-hush inter-office stuff on e-mail?

Not that I advocate secrecy for on-set accidents, but how is it that some people have used e-mail their entire lives and still don't understand that IT LASTS FOREVER?


because retards who need the help desk to plug in a mouse or to get rid of the virus they accidentally installed (with their kitteh pr0n) are still calling all the shots?
 
2013-11-25 04:58:34 PM
Only a moron would believe that those ewoks weren't crushed by that AT-ST model on endor
 
2013-11-25 05:00:53 PM

Valiente: LZeitgeist: Doesn't surprise me a bit.

Came for this. It's the American way. It's why euthanasia will work everywhere but the States, because making a buck will be involved.


I thought this was about the opposite?


UrukHaiGuyz: Sounds right. Wasn't there something a while back about a Crow that died on set?



HA!
 
2013-11-25 05:00:53 PM

thecpt: Only a moron would believe that those ewoks weren't crushed by that AT-ST model on endor


Due to a shortage of little people many of the ewok costumes were sewn together with live puppies inside.
 
2013-11-25 05:00:57 PM

DarkScarab: I am also in support of animal welfare and ethical treatment, and I agree with what both of you said. But, this part seems a little different than the rest of this article.

FTFA: A Husky dog was punched repeatedly in its diaphragm on Disney's 2006 Antarctic sledding movie Eight Below, starring Paul Walker


Agreed, as a lifelong cat owner, I really cannot feel bad for a mistakenly squished chipmunk, but directing an actor to "punch the dog," is bad.  However none of this is really at the level of that Japanese village that massacres dolphins every year, or the horrific rate at which elephants are being poached, or the abandoned horses in the southwest.

The tiger incident seems like it should rather be championed as a "something went incredibly wrong, but we saved the tiger," accident rather than a failure of the system.  I don't think any of these people have ever actually been on a working farm, or maybe even seen how an animal dies when attacked by a predator.
 
2013-11-25 05:06:26 PM

ProdigalSigh: but directing an actor to "punch the dog," is bad.


What event are you talking about? If you are referring to Eight Below the actual incident was more like:

a March 21, 2005, incident report that noted: "The hero dog seriously got into a fight with two other dogs. The trainer beat the dog harshly, which included five punches to its diaphragm. Our rep spoke to him about this, and he expressed that he had no choice. The office instructed [the rep] to pull the dog." In its statement to THR, the AHA says, "The trainer had to use force to break up the fight. As a result, the dogs were not injured." The AHA rep also asked for more trainers to be on set."
 
2013-11-25 05:10:53 PM

ProdigalSigh: Agreed, as a lifelong cat owner, I really cannot feel bad for a mistakenly squished chipmunk, but directing an actor to "punch the dog," is bad.


Addendum:  Didn't follow the link until now, but it was the trainer stopping a dog fight and the report explicitly says "had no choice," and they pulled the dog.  Animal cruelty is a farked up thing, but this isn't really it.
 
2013-11-25 05:17:31 PM

DarkScarab: pedobearapproved: PhDemented: Animals die... it happens in farms, in the wild, and *gasp* on sets.

Point of the AHA was (or should be) to make sure all reasonable precautions were taken and that intentional cruelty wasn't taking place, and really nothing in the article indicates anything else happened.  An elderly giraffe dying during production does not indicate anything wrong occurred, it likely was about to die anyway.  A dog with cancer died while filming a movie... well stop the presses!

(( To be clear, I've in full support of animal welfare and ethical treatment, but as long as the crew weren't being negligent or cruel I see no harm done ))

Exactly. Animals are not like people, and don't always hit their mark, accidents happen. The idea is that the director isn't shooting the horse dying scene with a dying horse, that he put in that position.

Also BTW, sometimes people die on movie sets too.

I am also in support of animal welfare and ethical treatment, and I agree with what both of you said. But, this part seems a little different than the rest of this article.

FTFA: A Husky dog was punched repeatedly in its diaphragm on Disney's 2006 Antarctic sledding movie Eight Below, starring Paul Walker


I actually wanted to mention that. The one thing in the article that sounds like clear cut, why would you do that abuse and no details.

/I don't want to be outraged and find out they were doing doggie CPR.
//because it was too cold and the dogs shouldn't have been out
///but the dog actually escaped and saved a crew member's life.
////just making this all up, but that's why I want details.
 
2013-11-25 05:17:51 PM

ProdigalSigh: ProdigalSigh: Agreed, as a lifelong cat owner, I really cannot feel bad for a mistakenly squished chipmunk, but directing an actor to "punch the dog," is bad.

Addendum:  Didn't follow the link until now, but it was the trainer stopping a dog fight and the report explicitly says "had no choice," and they pulled the dog.  Animal cruelty is a farked up thing, but this isn't really it.


Yeah I may have jumped the gun on that one, don't know if he had no choice or not. Dog fights happen instantly and you do what you can.

I wasn't say ing the other posters were wrong, just that part struck me as different from the others. Was probably wrong on that one. I can admit when I'm wrong.

/it happens once, twice a year tops
 
2013-11-25 05:21:15 PM
You do know that in the bad old days on westerns they used to rig hidden trip wires to bring down horse as it was "shot?"
You know. Breaking the horse's legs and otherwise hurting it badly.

They were forced by the AHA to use (more expensive) horses that are trained to take a dive on command.  You can tell when the horse tucks in and rolls.
 
2013-11-25 05:23:51 PM

xria: What event are you talking about? If you are referring to Eight Below the actual incident was more like:


Sorry, took me a few minutes to correct myself.  Hell, a husky wigging out on two other huskies would be scary enough.  I've seen a family pet go nuts on another family pet for no understood reason (the pug lost use of an eye), getting in the mix to stop it was a risk of the trainer.  You essentially have to tackle and pacify a pissed of animal.  I'd prefer dealing with the swimming tiger in that case.
 
2013-11-25 05:24:05 PM

xria: Wow, I knew Marmaduke was bad, but I didn't realize it was so bad it gave the doggy actors in it cancer.


i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-11-25 05:26:04 PM

netringer: You do know that in the bad old days on westerns they used to rig hidden trip wires to bring down horse as it was "shot?"
You know. Breaking the horse's legs and otherwise hurting it badly.

They were forced by the AHA to use (more expensive) horses that are trained to take a dive on command.  You can tell when the horse tucks in and rolls.


I think tripping them was standard practice as recently as the first "Conan" movie.
 
2013-11-25 05:37:02 PM

netringer: You do know that in the bad old days on westerns they used to rig hidden trip wires to bring down horse as it was "shot?"
You know. Breaking the horse's legs and otherwise hurting it badly.

They were forced by the AHA to use (more expensive) horses that are trained to take a dive on command.  You can tell when the horse tucks in and rolls.


YouTube "best bollywood car chase ever"
 
2013-11-25 06:01:10 PM
Anyone vizitt a cattle slaughter house latley?
 
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