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2013-11-25 12:30:23 PM  
"I don't care what party or what's going on economically -- it's the candidate that people like and relate to and communicate effectively with, that's the person who wins," he asserted. "And we don't value that as much as we should. We are stuck in a very different world as Republicans, as to who we nominate, and I hope we don't make that mistake again."

Rick Santorum 2016: "Form Over Substance"
 
2013-11-25 12:34:47 PM  

nmrsnr: "I don't care what party or what's going on economically -- it's the candidate that people like and relate to and communicate effectively with, that's the person who wins," he asserted. "And we don't value that as much as we should. We are stuck in a very different world as Republicans, as to who we nominate, and I hope we don't make that mistake again."

Rick Santorum 2016: "Form Over Substance"


Pretty much this. You can tell they don't know what to do because half of them say they have to communicate their positions better while the other half are in a panic not to.
 
2013-11-25 12:36:54 PM  
If your platform is like the GOP's, then yeah, definitely avoid talking about it at all costs.
 
2013-11-25 12:42:39 PM  
One might think that the day you came to realize the things you care about, the things you want to push out front as your platform, just aren't important to enough people to get you elected, that then you would just hang it up.

But for those that don't think, why not just try and wheedle your way into this sweet paying government gig where you can somehow force all these things into existence even though people don't want them? Why yes, I'm brilliant, it'll work for sure this time.

If the voters were as dumb as the politicians we would truly be screwed.
 
2013-11-25 12:44:56 PM  
Well, he does have a point. Not a lot of people would buy "Ground-Up Pig Faces, Floor Sweepings and Horse Anus in a Disturbingly Condom-Like Tube" but when they're "Hot Dogs" they sell.

That's how "Rape, Tax Cuts for Corporations that Outsource, Lower Wages and No Benefits for Workers, Rape, plus Conservative Jesus in a Disturbingly Mule-Tamer 5000-Like Tube" becomes "Restoring American Freedom."
 
2013-11-25 12:48:44 PM  
Sadly, the rest of the GOP has not learned a damned thing from 2012 and that's why Santorum will get the nod in 2016.
 
2013-11-25 12:54:12 PM  
FTFA: In a field of Republican candidates that is expected to be much stronger than it was in 2012, this problem will only be exacerbated.

i.imgur.com

LIKE WHO?
 
2013-11-25 12:56:52 PM  

WI241TH: Sadly, the rest of the GOP has not learned a damned thing from 2012 and that's why Santorum will get the nod in 2016.


No he won't.
 
2013-11-25 12:59:38 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Well, he does have a point. Not a lot of people would buy "Ground-Up Pig Faces, Floor Sweepings and Horse Anus in a Disturbingly Condom-Like Tube" but when they're "Hot Dogs" they sell.

That's how "Rape, Tax Cuts for Corporations that Outsource, Lower Wages and No Benefits for Workers, Rape, plus Conservative Jesus in a Disturbingly Mule-Tamer 5000-Like Tube" becomes "Restoring American Freedom."


www.bitlogic.com
 
2013-11-25 01:02:25 PM  

nmrsnr: "I don't care what party or what's going on economically -- it's the candidate that people like and relate to and communicate effectively with, that's the person who wins," he asserted. "And we don't value that as much as we should. We are stuck in a very different world as Republicans, as to who we nominate, and I hope we don't make that mistake again."

Rick Santorum 2016: "Form Over Substance"


Assuming they are not going to change any of their policies, as a strategy, it isn't a terrible idea.  It worked for Dubya
 
2013-11-25 01:04:03 PM  

Somacandra: LIKE WHO?


Christie will definitely be running. Not sure how far he'll get in the primaries, but he'll be in there.
 
2013-11-25 01:05:53 PM  
I'm guessing giving speeches and producing terrible movies are nothing more than a distraction so Rick doesn't have to think about his son in the basement building cages out of what the rest of the family is hoping are cow skeletons or why the mini-fridge down there has a sticker on it reading "Raccoon Torsos: Microwave Fifty Seconds for Optimal Farking"
 
2013-11-25 01:06:21 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Somacandra: LIKE WHO?

Christie will definitely be running. Not sure how far he'll get in the primaries, but he'll be in there.


There's an easy joke here but I'm not going to bother.
 
2013-11-25 01:09:03 PM  

Lando Lincoln: If your platform is like the GOP's, then yeah, definitely avoid talking about it at all costs.


Yup. Honest and open discussion on GOP policy decisions would only drive sane and reasonable people away from the republican party. Their best shot at winning is to lie their asses off and hope nobody figures it out.
 
2013-11-25 01:15:29 PM  

WI241TH: Sadly, the rest of the GOP has not learned a damned thing from 2012 and that's why Santorum will get the nod in 2016.


Now that's some funny shiat right there.  Santorum doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell now,  or ever again for any type of nomination for a public office. (unless he runs for mayor of some small podunk town in middle Pennsyltucky).

This is a guy that got his ass handed to him in the 2006 PA US Senate election.  59% to 41% is not only a landslide, it is one of the biggest defeats ever for an incumbent US senator.
 
2013-11-25 01:16:48 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Somacandra: LIKE WHO?

Christie will definitely be running. Not sure how far he'll get in the primaries, but he'll be in there.


All he has to do is make it to Super Tuesday.
 
2013-11-25 01:25:26 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Not sure how far he'll get in the primaries,


He's not a stronger candidate than Romney. Another RINO from the NE isn't going to cut it.
 
2013-11-25 01:29:10 PM  

BunkyBrewman: All he has to do is make it to Super Tuesday.


I think Mr. Giuliani thought the same thing. It doubt it will work.
 
2013-11-25 01:49:09 PM  

Somacandra: BunkyBrewman: All he has to do is make it to Super Tuesday.

I think Mr. Giuliani thought the same thing. It doubt it will work.


Christie appears to a much broader audience.
 
2013-11-25 01:52:17 PM  
He runs a family-friendly movie studio.

Does anyone else see 'family friendly' and immediately think 'hateful bigots' anymore? I miss when family-friendly just meant muppets.
 
2013-11-25 01:54:27 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Lando Lincoln: Somacandra: LIKE WHO?

Christie will definitely be running. Not sure how far he'll get in the primaries, but he'll be in there.

All he has to do is make it to Super Tuesday.


Does that fall on a certain Tuesday related to Mardi Gras?

//Giggles.
 
2013-11-25 01:54:48 PM  

Weaver95: Lando Lincoln: If your platform is like the GOP's, then yeah, definitely avoid talking about it at all costs.

Yup. Honest and open discussion on GOP policy decisions would only drive sane and reasonable people away from the republican party. Their best shot at winning is to lie their asses off and hope nobody figures it out.


It almost worked for Romney during the presidential debates, remember that? Remember the first debate when Romney quite literally told lies and went back on nearly everything he had been campaigning for? I'm worried simply because our media is trash and will never do actual reporting on any candidates like they should. I have to rely on outside sources like farking Al Jazeera.
 
2013-11-25 01:55:26 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm guessing giving speeches and producing terrible movies are nothing more than a distraction so Rick doesn't have to think about his son in the basement building cages out of what the rest of the family is hoping are cow skeletons or why the mini-fridge down there has a sticker on it reading "Raccoon Torsos: Microwave Fifty Seconds for Optimal Farking"


I'm glad that I haven't started eating my lunch because it would be all over my keyboard and screen right now.
 
2013-11-25 01:55:46 PM  

BunkyBrewman: Somacandra: BunkyBrewman: All he has to do is make it to Super Tuesday.

I think Mr. Giuliani thought the same thing. It doubt it will work.

Christie appears to a much broader audience.


What that broader audience might look like.

freaksoffastfood.com
 
2013-11-25 01:55:57 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: WI241TH: Sadly, the rest of the GOP has not learned a damned thing from 2012 and that's why Santorum will get the nod in 2016.

No he won't.



He came in 2nd in the last primary. Every person who has come in 2nd in the GOP primary race since Nixon beat Reagan has been on the presidential ticket the next go around (Even Buchanan, he just wasnt on the R ticket).

As the party for high-RWA people, the GOP is big on heirarchy, and Santorum is the next in the succession line.
 
2013-11-25 01:56:00 PM  
I'm a big fan of many Republican positions, particularly "wildly gesticulating over perceived unfairness" and "raising a sarcastic eyebrow when listening to women or minorities." You know, the classics.
 
2013-11-25 01:56:04 PM  

BunkyBrewman: WI241TH: Sadly, the rest of the GOP has not learned a damned thing from 2012 and that's why Santorum will get the nod in 2016.

Now that's some funny shiat right there.  Santorum doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell now,  or ever again for any type of nomination for a public office. (unless he runs for mayor of some small podunk town in middle Pennsyltucky).

This is a guy that got his ass handed to him in the 2006 PA US Senate election.  59% to 41% is not only a landslide, it is one of the biggest defeats ever for an incumbent US senator.


And yet he was the last one in against Romney in the 2012 primaries.  Recent history tells us that the first loser goes on to become the next cycle's nominee, a silly metric by itself, but like I said, the GOP hasn't learned anything.

He's got experience in a presidential campaign and he probably has learned a thing or two about avoiding gaffes, he's got the conservative credentials Romney never had, and is doing just enough to keep his name out there.  Starting a movie studio is a great way to fleece the rubes to start funding a campaign and with the added benefit of guys like Friese he won't be hurting quite so much for cash this time around.

Reading the article, he knows there are some topics he needs to avoid talking about too much, but will be prepared with platitudes should he really get pushed on the issue.  Obviously, 2014 will tell us a bit more about where the Right is in terms of the candidates they're looking for, but as of right now I don't see them settling for a "moderate" again.  I think it's Santorum's candidacy to lose, but that's just one man's opinion 3 years out.
 
2013-11-25 01:56:37 PM  

BunkyBrewman: WI241TH: Sadly, the rest of the GOP has not learned a damned thing from 2012 and that's why Santorum will get the nod in 2016.

Now that's some funny shiat right there.  Santorum doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell now,  or ever again for any type of nomination for a public office. (unless he runs for mayor of some small podunk town in middle Pennsyltucky).

This is a guy that got his ass handed to him in the 2006 PA US Senate election.  59% to 41% is not only a landslide, it is one of the biggest defeats ever for an incumbent US senator.


To be honest, the only reason Santorum got so far in 2012 is because all of the other right-wing alternatives spectacularly flamed out one at a time, and he was the last one standing. Had Santorum received more early attention, become the flavor of the month and received the corresponding scrutiny, he would have gone the way of Bachmann, Cain, Gingrich et al.
 
2013-11-25 01:57:00 PM  

Somacandra: BunkyBrewman: All he has to do is make it to Super Tuesday.

I think Mr. Giuliani thought the same thing. It doubt it will work.


He probably wouldn't have lasted long anyways but Biden killed Giuliani with one line.
 
2013-11-25 01:57:21 PM  
Oh and one other thing. Not talking about any of the issues and sticking to just you is exactly how one of the Louisiana reps in my state got elected to the House. Her entire campaign was endorsements. I shiat you not. I could not find a single opinion on ANY of the big issues facing us today. Then again, my state is solidly red, so, yea...
 
2013-11-25 01:57:25 PM  

BunkyBrewman: This is a guy that got his ass handed to him in the 2006 PA US Senate election. 59% to 41% is not only a landslide, it is one of the biggest defeats ever for an incumbent US senator.



Wow. Must have been difficult for his family. I wonder how they handled it ...
 
2013-11-25 01:58:16 PM  

Dalrint: He runs a family-friendly movie studio.

Does anyone else see 'family friendly' and immediately think 'hateful bigots' anymore? I miss when family-friendly just meant muppets.


It's as if Santorum is putting a definitive......

*PUTS ON SUNGLASSES*

..... focus on the family.

/YYYEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!
 
2013-11-25 01:58:39 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm guessing giving speeches and producing terrible movies are nothing more than a distraction so Rick doesn't have to think about his son in the basement building cages out of what the rest of the family is hoping are cow skeletons or why the mini-fridge down there has a sticker on it reading "Raccoon Torsos: Microwave Fifty Seconds for Optimal Farking"


Yeah, I can see that.

paulboylan.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-11-25 02:01:12 PM  

Dalrint: He runs a family-friendly movie studio.

Does anyone else see 'family friendly' and immediately think 'hateful bigots' anymore? I miss when family-friendly just meant muppets.


If Christmas Candle is any indication it means poorly reviewed movies that play to empty theaters.
 
2013-11-25 02:01:18 PM  

Somacandra: FTFA: In a field of Republican candidates that is expected to be much stronger than it was in 2012, this problem will only be exacerbated.

[i.imgur.com image 405x392]

LIKE WHO?


Chris Christie?  He's arguably "stronger" because he's big and fat.
 
2013-11-25 02:01:53 PM  
Otherwise known as "emulation of liberals"?
 
2013-11-25 02:03:29 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm guessing giving speeches and producing terrible movies are nothing more than a distraction so Rick doesn't have to think about his son in the basement building cages out of what the rest of the family is hoping are cow skeletons or why the mini-fridge down there has a sticker on it reading "Raccoon Torsos: Microwave Fifty Seconds for Optimal Farking"

Yeah, I can see that.


That kid... Every time... It just cracks me up... What is he thinking about? What does that expression mean?
 
2013-11-25 02:03:36 PM  

randomjsa: Otherwise known as "emulation of liberals"?


MAXIMUM PROJECTION!

Piss off... oh sh*t, you're already gone, bridge toll collector.
 
2013-11-25 02:03:43 PM  
"There's this fixation, particularly in the media - and, I would argue, among those establishment types -- that people vote for candidates primarily based on issues,"
translation: The mainstream liberal media likes things that we dont like!!

"Of course we knew this all along, and we didn't talk about it because we didn't have a candidate who could talk about it," he replied. "So for all of these 'really smart' establishment Republicans, they're really dumb when it comes to figuring out what issues we need to run on and have the candidate who's best to run on them."
translation: all our internal polls told us to do something else. clearly when we FINALLY get the right messenger, people will just BUY OUR MESSAGE!!!!
 
2013-11-25 02:03:50 PM  
Santorum has always had a strong lock on the dumbass vote, and that voting block is getting bigger.
 
2013-11-25 02:03:51 PM  
"I don't care what party or what's going on economically -- it's the candidate that people like and relate to and communicate effectively with, that's the person who wins," he asserted. "And we don't value that as much as we should. We are stuck in a very different world as Republicans, as to who we nominate, and I hope we don't make that mistake again."

So...Santorum lost the primary because he was out charisma'd by Mitt "I strongly resemble a human" Romney?
 
2013-11-25 02:03:59 PM  

Somacandra: Lando Lincoln: Not sure how far he'll get in the primaries,

He's not a stronger candidate than Romney. Another RINO from the NE isn't going to cut it.


Romney was easy to tar as "rich and out of touch"and "flip-flopper". Neither of those are going to stick to Christie - unless the only way he can get through the Republican primaries is to run hard right and go against positions he's favored in the past.
 
2013-11-25 02:05:09 PM  
The guy that sang to the dead baby he took home?  Yeah, put him on the ticket.  Diarrhea dog on the roof of the car has nothing on him.
 
2013-11-25 02:05:14 PM  

randomjsa: Otherwise known as "emulation of liberals"?


In the case of Rubber v. Glue, the court finds the defendant (and also therefore itself) guilty as charged!
 
2013-11-25 02:05:32 PM  
We are stuck in a very different world as Republicans.

Let me repeat that

We are stuck in a very different world as Republicans

That is probably the only thing Santorum has been right about in about 12 years.
 
2013-11-25 02:06:05 PM  
FTFA:

Though he would enter the next race as an instantly viable contender in evangelical-heavy Iowa, Santorum faces a daunting, and familiar, challenge: He won't be taken very seriously elsewhere, particularly among the GOP "smart set" and national media.

Wait whut?  The GOP has a "smart set"?
 
2013-11-25 02:06:21 PM  

PanicMan: The Onion is prophetic: Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm guessing giving speeches and producing terrible movies are nothing more than a distraction so Rick doesn't have to think about his son in the basement building cages out of what the rest of the family is hoping are cow skeletons or why the mini-fridge down there has a sticker on it reading "Raccoon Torsos: Microwave Fifty Seconds for Optimal Farking"

Yeah, I can see that.

That kid... Every time... It just cracks me up... What is he thinking about? What does that expression mean?


A) The penis of a Catholic priest just entered my anus.  What to do?  Enjoy? Squeal? Live a life of sexual depravity to later be blamed on God and my father Rick?
b) I just sh*t my pants.  Not for any particular reason.  Maybe eating too many Werthers Originals.  I mean, look at my attire.  If you looked like me, wouldn't you be licking, eating, swallowing... hell, SNORTING Werther's Originals like it was your f*cking job?
c) They just cancelled Dawson's Creek.  F*CK!
 
2013-11-25 02:06:28 PM  
Not talking about the issues worked out so well for Romney in 2012.

"We're going to cut tax loopholes!"

"Which loopholes?"

"The loopholes in the tax code!"

I still have no idea what the hell he was talking about.
 
2013-11-25 02:07:08 PM  
I'm not sure what Santorum said is really wrong as far as it goes (though I question Subby's interpretation of it).

A lot of the GOP's positions pretty much require them to tell people things they do not want to hear. This is not intended as a judgment against the listeners: people have many reasons for not wanting to hear things, and some of those reasons aren't so good, but a lot of them are. Either way, the end result is similar: after the first quote or two, people see you and they see red.

There are ways to go about telling people things they don't want to hear, but frankly, it has been decades since we last saw a Republican who was any good at this. The current crop is even worse at it than usual -Santorum being a prime example- leading to a treasure trove of Fark headlines and a lot of ammunition in their opposition's hands.
 
2013-11-25 02:07:21 PM  

coeyagi: randomjsa: Otherwise known as "emulation of liberals"?

MAXIMUM PROJECTION!

Piss off... oh sh*t, you're already gone, bridge toll collector.


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Just Shiat Anywhere

Jerky Sniveling Ass

Jet Set Asshole
 
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