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(Slate)   A cogent argument about why English should use upside-down punctuation marks, just like Spanish. ¡Brilliant   (slate.com) divider line 56
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2013-11-25 12:50:24 PM
iAgree!

And there's a cheat to making an upside down exclamation mark, if you're ever trying to do that in Spanish -- just use the lower case version of the 9th letter of the alphabet (you know, the one between "h" and "j').
 
2013-11-25 01:10:50 PM

Shabash: iAgree!

And there's a cheat to making an upside down exclamation mark, if you're ever trying to do that in Spanish -- just use the lower case version of the 9th letter of the alphabet (you know, the one between "h" and "j').


Looks like somebody will soon be getting slapped with a lawsuit from Apple legal goons.
 
2013-11-25 01:11:17 PM
elohell.net
 
2013-11-25 01:13:03 PM
Fark that! I'm American. We don't even like the letter U.
 
2013-11-25 01:13:10 PM
giantgag.com
 
2013-11-25 01:13:45 PM
I'm Ron Burgundy?
 
2013-11-25 01:13:45 PM
Who farking cares?
 
2013-11-25 01:14:06 PM
This article assumes that reading English text is a strictly linear process. I'd argue that this is an oversimplification.
 
2013-11-25 01:15:06 PM
Why not just use an interobang like an Englishman instead of a dirty foreigner?!
 
2013-11-25 01:16:17 PM
In Australia, those punctuation marks are oriented correctly. It's the rest of the letters that are upside down.
 
2013-11-25 01:16:24 PM
Question, Mark?
Question Marx.

/not going to buy a Spanish keyboard, mang?
 
2013-11-25 01:18:52 PM

max_pooper: Shabash: iAgree!

And there's a cheat to making an upside down exclamation mark, if you're ever trying to do that in Spanish -- just use the lower case version of the 9th letter of the alphabet (you know, the one between "h" and "j').

Looks like somebody will soon be getting slapped with a lawsuit from Apple legal goons.


¡Besides, here's how to do a real upside-down exclamation mark!


Greylight: Why not just use an interobang like an Englishman instead of a dirty foreigner?!


Okay‽
 
2013-11-25 01:20:56 PM
Much like the Spanish I got excited first, then read the article. I prefer my interobang still, filthy forien punctuation can stay clear of my pristine English squiggles!
 
2013-11-25 01:22:53 PM
The most pressing issue with written English is the lack of a punctuation mark indicating sarcasm.
 
2013-11-25 01:23:33 PM

ElStreak: The most pressing issue with written English is the lack of a punctuation mark indicating sarcasm.


?!
 
2013-11-25 01:23:48 PM

Greylight: Much like the Spanish I got excited first, then read the article. I prefer my interobang still, filthy forien punctuation can stay clear of my pristine English squiggles!


As can pristine English spelling, it would seem.
 
2013-11-25 01:26:12 PM
¡Díos mío!

Actually, you don't need to buy a Spanish keyboard, there's a "US International" keyboard layout that you can use for the accent marks and oddball punctuation. Right-Alt+1 will give you the inverted exclamation point¡

/watch out for møøse bites
 
2013-11-25 01:27:39 PM
¡ is Option-1 on Apple keyboards.

On Windows is probably something like AltGr+0x4ABABAUpDownLeftRightABAB
 
2013-11-25 01:29:30 PM
While we're at it, can we also apply genders to nouns?  Because that totally didn't suck in Spanish class.
 
2013-11-25 01:44:29 PM

reaperducer: ¡ is Option-1 on Apple keyboards.

On Windows is probably something like AltGr+0x4ABABAUpDownLeftRightABAB


¡=Alt173 and ¿=Alt168
 
2013-11-25 01:46:44 PM

Greylight: ElStreak: The most pressing issue with written English is the lack of a punctuation mark indicating sarcasm.

?!


Sure...English doesnt have a sarcasm mark...I agree with you completely...
 
2013-11-25 01:49:04 PM

dangelder: Greylight: ElStreak: The most pressing issue with written English is the lack of a punctuation mark indicating sarcasm.

?!

Sure...English doesnt have a sarcasm mark...I agree with you completely...


 
2013-11-25 01:49:51 PM
Doesn't Apple already name all of its products this way?
 
2013-11-25 01:57:20 PM
It's a conspiracy by the keyboard manufacturers.
 
2013-11-25 01:57:34 PM
Wouldn't the second piece of punctuation be superfluous? We can simply stick the thing at the beginning.

!Hell no, we won't go
.A stitch in time saves nine
?Who's with me
 
2013-11-25 02:11:40 PM
The author sounds like he can't read without moving his lips.
 
2013-11-25 02:33:22 PM
¡=Alt173 on the numeric part of the keyboard works, and so does Alt+0161 on the numeric part of the keyboard.
 
2013-11-25 02:37:51 PM
Those of us who read sentences as a whole (that is, people with beyond a third-grade reading level) can tell that a sentence is a question without needing the question mark at the beginning. And this does nothing to help with speech. Perhaps we should adopt question signals as some languages have, to indicate that a sentence is a question. Those signals usually come at the beginning of a sentence as well.

TLDR: What this guy said.

Zavulon: The author sounds like he can't read without moving his lips.

 
2013-11-25 02:40:17 PM
Spanish has a greater need to disambiguate questions from statements, because they're often phrased identically. In English we do that with word order (Do you like it? vs. You do like it.)
 
2013-11-25 02:43:16 PM
This would be yet another punctuation mark people forget to use on the internet am i right
 
2013-11-25 02:43:31 PM

ElStreak: Greylight: Much like the Spanish I got excited first, then read the article. I prefer my interobang still, filthy forien punctuation can stay clear of my pristine English squiggles!

As can pristine English spelling, it would seem.


The use of the inverted beginning punctuation is on its way out in South America.  If a language that has it doesn't seem to feel a pressing need to keep it, why does a language that doesn't have it need it?
 
2013-11-25 02:45:55 PM

Churchill2004: Spanish has a greater need to disambiguate questions from statements, because they're often phrased identically. In English we do that with word order (Do you like it? vs. You do like it.)


Then why use punctuation at all
 
2013-11-25 02:46:29 PM

ciberido: ElStreak: Greylight: Much like the Spanish I got excited first, then read the article. I prefer my interobang still, filthy forien punctuation can stay clear of my pristine English squiggles!

As can pristine English spelling, it would seem.

The use of the inverted beginning punctuation is on its way out in South America.  If a language that has it doesn't seem to feel a pressing need to keep it, why does a language that doesn't have it need it?


It was never an organic part of the language. developed ground-up from usage. It was decreed by the Royal Academy or some such in the 1700s by fiat, took a good century to catch on, and there are plenty of places where it never caught on. Using it in the era of keyboard communication is just a pain in the ass- same way we lost different quotation marks for opening and closing a quote.
 
2013-11-25 02:46:38 PM

Zavulon: The author sounds like he can't read without moving his lips.


Well it is slate.  Let's see:  "Can this guy speak without moving his lips, should he?" 5,000,000 words later:  One sentence that succicntly answers the question posed.
 
2013-11-25 02:49:32 PM

doyner: Churchill2004: Spanish has a greater need to disambiguate questions from statements, because they're often phrased identically. In English we do that with word order (Do you like it? vs. You do like it.)

Then why use punctuation at all


Because not all questions in English are worded that way.
 
2013-11-25 02:56:04 PM

Churchill2004: Spanish has a greater need to disambiguate questions from statements, because they're often phrased identically. In English we do that with word order (Do you like it? vs. You do like it.)


See, people... this guy is doing it right. No need to write two farking pages to make an argument. Just a clear explanation in two sentences.
 
2013-11-25 03:09:56 PM
But how do you type an upside down interrobang‽
 
2013-11-25 03:12:03 PM
Taking into consideration the number of high school graduates who cannot write or type a complete sentence I think we need to teach English before we start worrying about changing it.
 
2013-11-25 03:21:18 PM

ex-nuke: Taking into consideration the number of high school graduates who cannot write or type a complete sentence I think we need to teach English before we start worrying about changing it.


But that would double the work! Teach them the current way, then BAM! (or !BAM) we change it on them.
 
2013-11-25 03:28:57 PM
Slate must pay a ¡uoʇkraf of money to Drew to get all their gibberish linked on Fark.
 
2013-11-25 03:36:28 PM

AbiNormal: Slate must pay a ¡uoʇkraf of money to Drew to get all their gibberish linked on Fark.


About 1/3 of my greenlights come from Slate.  If Drew's getting money, I haven't seen any of it.
 
2013-11-25 03:44:59 PM
Lo, there should be an exclamation at the beginning of a sentence for readability. Quo, and why not.
 
2013-11-25 04:00:29 PM
Or you could? Just talk? Like a young woman? And liberally sprinkle? Everything with? Rising intonation? Like? Y'know?
 
2013-11-25 04:04:28 PM
If you stare at your navel while mentally masturbating long enough after your last bong hit, do you automatically become a Slate author?
 
2013-11-25 04:47:01 PM

FrancoFile: AbiNormal: Slate must pay a ¡uoʇkraf of money to Drew to get all their gibberish linked on Fark.

About 1/3 of my greenlights come from Slate.  If Drew's getting money, I haven't seen any of it.


"Submitted links approved: 103" You must suck dick like a champ.
 
2013-11-25 05:11:52 PM

AbiNormal: FrancoFile: AbiNormal: Slate must pay a ¡uoʇkraf of money to Drew to get all their gibberish linked on Fark.

About 1/3 of my greenlights come from Slate.  If Drew's getting money, I haven't seen any of it.

"Submitted links approved: 103" You must suck dick like a champ.


Pft.  There are people who get 103 greenlights a month.
 
2013-11-25 05:17:53 PM
Many Americans can't get an English keyboard correct, and then you're trying to make an argument for "bastardizing" it? Make your argument about other countries/cultures, but this is just B.S.
 
2013-11-25 06:39:10 PM

FrancoFile: AbiNormal: FrancoFile: AbiNormal: Slate must pay a ¡uoʇkraf of money to Drew to get all their gibberish linked on Fark.

About 1/3 of my greenlights come from Slate.  If Drew's getting money, I haven't seen any of it.

"Submitted links approved: 103" You must suck dick like a champ.

Pft.  There are people who get 103 greenlights a month.


OK, semi-pro then.
 
2013-11-25 07:22:12 PM

Greylight: Why not just use an interobang like an Englishman instead of a dirty foreigner?!


Strange, that's what we used to call subby's mom.
 
2013-11-25 07:49:54 PM
i like it
 
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