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(Think Progress)   Senators are lining up to attempt to derail the Iran deal because who needs peace in the Middle East when there's all those campaign donation checks from AIPAC just sitting there?   (thinkprogress.org ) divider line
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2013-11-25 11:51:22 AM  
Are they still trying to formulate the potato of reasons why this is bad?  I haven't been paying much attention to the nutball-o-sphere lately.
 
2013-11-25 12:15:27 PM  

UberDave: Are they still trying to formulate the potato of reasons why this is bad?  I haven't been paying much attention to the nutball-o-sphere lately.


Black president.
 
2013-11-25 12:15:38 PM  

UberDave: Are they still trying to formulate the potato of reasons why this is bad?  I haven't been paying much attention to the nutball-o-sphere lately.


Oh yeah.  The warmongers are really mad about this.  They hate diplomacy.
 
2013-11-25 12:15:42 PM  
www.metal-archives.com
 
2013-11-25 12:17:34 PM  
Right-wing foreign policy = Being Israel's b*tch
 
2013-11-25 12:18:46 PM  
fark them, and fark their Israeli puppeteers.
 
2013-11-25 12:18:48 PM  
The flaw with these talks is that Israel didn't have a seat. It's a shame too.

If I was the PM of Israel, I would go ahead and attack the nuclear facilities in Iran without the consent of the world. Obama has not been a good friend with Israel. Obama basically ignored the cries of democracy from Syria and Egypt.
 
2013-11-25 12:18:57 PM  

TV's Vinnie: [www.metal-archives.com image 364x354]


Okay, at first I was confused, and then I looked at the guy on the bottom and thought Barack had some wild hair back in the day.
 
2013-11-25 12:19:28 PM  
More obstructionism in the Senate by the minorities? Please proceed.
 
2013-11-25 12:20:03 PM  
Just checking in and getting my popcorn ready and all that.
 
2013-11-25 12:21:02 PM  
Because f*ck peace in the Middle East! We like war!!
 
2013-11-25 12:21:27 PM  
Leave it to the US Congress to be less reasonable than Russia or China.
 
2013-11-25 12:21:54 PM  

Funk Brothers: The flaw with these talks is that Israel didn't have a seat. It's a shame too.

If I was the PM of Israel, I would go ahead and attack the nuclear facilities in Iran without the consent of the world. Obama has not been a good friend with Israel. Obama basically ignored the cries of democracy from Syria and Egypt.


lol yeah, go ahead and attack one of your neighbors without cause and without the backing of the US.  Let's see how that turns out for you.
 
2013-11-25 12:22:22 PM  
I'm surprised Cheney isn't out stumping against this.

He's been wanting war with Iran forever it seems.
 
2013-11-25 12:22:45 PM  

Funk Brothers: Obama basically ignored the cries of democracy from Syria and Egypt.


Except when he's installing his allies in the Muslim Brotherhood into power or something.  Checkmate, libs.
 
2013-11-25 12:23:14 PM  

Triple Oak: More obstructionism in the Senate by the minorities? Please proceed.


except that it isn't just the minority.   It's also Democrats.

"In a statement, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said he was "disappointed by the terms of the agreement" and added that the deal "makes it more likely that Democrats and Republicans will join together and pass additional sanctions when we return in December."

Obama said to 'get a deal'.


He didn't say get a good deal.
 
2013-11-25 12:23:15 PM  

UberDave: Are they still trying to formulate the potato of reasons why this is bad?  I haven't been paying much attention to the nutball-o-sphere lately.


Netanyahu said it's bad, it's surrendering to the mullahs, and will empower Iran to make a bomb. Also, notice that Iran has not entered into any agreement with the United States where they kept their word since 1979 (well, they haven't entered any agreements with the United States since then, but that's a silly detail: Iran could be lying and somehow work around the weapons inspectors just like they predict Syria is doing now and Iraq was doing before they hid their WMDs to make us look like fools for invading.) Oh, and a lot of people are claiming that unfreezing Iranian assets in foreign accounts as "the US just gave them 7 billion in foreign aid."
 
2013-11-25 12:23:20 PM  

Funk Brothers: The flaw with these talks is that Israel didn't have a seat. It's a shame too.

If I was the PM of Israel, I would go ahead and attack the nuclear facilities in Iran without the consent of the world. Obama has not been a good friend with Israel. Obama basically ignored the cries of democracy from Syria and Egypt.


Um, when has Israel been a good friend to us? Spying on us while sucking our money away and making all kinds if firefight wars for their dominionist slaves in congress? fark them. And the horse they rode in on.
 
2013-11-25 12:23:46 PM  
I think I've stumbled upon the reason why Obama has been so successful at the whole peace in the ME thing..

Imagine him giving them a call over there:  "Look, I get that you don't trust us.  I get that you don't particularly like us.  But I'm nearly halfway into my second and last term, fellas.  And there's no guarantee that a Democrat will win the White House after I'm gone.  So, do you want to deal with 'me' or do you want to deal with those lunatics in the GOP?"
 
2013-11-25 12:24:00 PM  
So this is a just in case complaint?
 
2013-11-25 12:24:02 PM  
Don't tell me, they want to arm Iran.
 
2013-11-25 12:24:18 PM  
When France went publicly against the US in invading Iraq, they were the enemy. When Israel goes publicly against the US (and the UK, France, Germany, Russia, and China) in diplomacy with Iran, Senators jump to the wishes of Israel?

So France goes against the US publicly in making war...BOOOOO!
Israel goes against the US publicly in making peace...YAAAYYY. Go Isreal against the US!
 
2013-11-25 12:24:18 PM  

Infernalist: lol yeah, go ahead and attack one of your neighbors without cause and without the backing of the US.  Let's see how that turns out for you.


It would be very wise for Israel to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities on the first day of Hanukkah, the same day millions of Americans and Obama are eating turkey. They won't be expecting it.
 
2013-11-25 12:24:30 PM  

Funk Brothers: The flaw with these talks is that Israel didn't have a seat. It's a shame too.

If I was the PM of Israel, I would go ahead and attack the nuclear facilities in Iran without the consent of the world. Obama has not been a good friend with Israel. Obama basically ignored the cries of democracy from Syria and Egypt.


Yeah!!! And the flaw with US budget talks is that Grover Norquist wasn't given a seat at the table. And the flaw with the Fed appointment of Janet Yellen is that Ron Paul wasn't given a seat at the table.

The only way any genuine peace/proliferation deal with Iran is possible is if someone balls up to give Israel a solid "fark you", and holds firm when they threaten to blow it all up with an unsanctioned air strike.
 
2013-11-25 12:26:04 PM  

BlastYoBoots: Funk Brothers: The flaw with these talks is that Israel didn't have a seat. It's a shame too.

If I was the PM of Israel, I would go ahead and attack the nuclear facilities in Iran without the consent of the world. Obama has not been a good friend with Israel. Obama basically ignored the cries of democracy from Syria and Egypt.

Yeah!!! And the flaw with US budget talks is that Grover Norquist wasn't given a seat at the table. And the flaw with the Fed appointment of Janet Yellen is that Ron Paul wasn't given a seat at the table.

The only way any genuine peace/proliferation deal with Iran is possible is if someone balls up to give Israel a solid "fark you", and holds firm when they threaten to blow it all up with an unsanctioned air strike.


How long would Israel last if the US decided to pull all its support and military aid?  A month?
 
2013-11-25 12:26:52 PM  
I was wrong abut the unfreezing of accounts comment: it is allowing them to sell crude oil and other exports/buy imports on the open market for 6 months which can result in about $7 billion they would not otherwise have.
 
2013-11-25 12:27:55 PM  

Funk Brothers: The flaw with these talks is that Israel didn't have a seat. It's a shame too.

If I was the PM of Israel, I would go ahead and attack the nuclear facilities in Iran without the consent of the world. Obama has not been a good friend with Israel. Obama basically ignored the cries of democracy from Syria and Egypt.


Yes, Israel is just aching to attack one of Russia's and China's biggest customers, especially now.

Israel could really fark this up for the world if they wanted too.  One strike, and Iran would walk away from the deal, never come back to the table, and retaliate against Israel with little hope of anyone actually stepping in to stop them.

This isn't Iraq 1981.
 
2013-11-25 12:28:19 PM  

UberDave: Are they still trying to formulate the potato of reasons why this is bad?  I haven't been paying much attention to the nutball-o-sphere lately.


Obama is just trying to distract from the ObamaCare rollout and it's ridiculous that a President should try to do more than one thing at a time and sanctions are working anyway so sanction harder.
 
2013-11-25 12:28:53 PM  

netcentric: Triple Oak: More obstructionism in the Senate by the minorities? Please proceed.

except that it isn't just the minority.   It's also Democrats.

"In a statement, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said he was "disappointed by the terms of the agreement" and added that the deal "makes it more likely that Democrats and Republicans will join together and pass additional sanctions when we return in December."

Obama said to 'get a deal'.

He didn't say get a good deal.


Well, that's one Democrat, at least. We'll see what deal they come up with... there's supposed to be a budget next month, too. I am highly skeptical on both fronts.
 
2013-11-25 12:29:24 PM  

meat0918: Funk Brothers: The flaw with these talks is that Israel didn't have a seat. It's a shame too.

If I was the PM of Israel, I would go ahead and attack the nuclear facilities in Iran without the consent of the world. Obama has not been a good friend with Israel. Obama basically ignored the cries of democracy from Syria and Egypt.

Yes, Israel is just aching to attack one of Russia's and China's biggest customers, especially now.

Israel could really fark this up for the world if they wanted too.  One strike, and Iran would walk away from the deal, never come back to the table, and retaliate against Israel with little hope of anyone actually stepping in to stop them.

This isn't Iraq 1981.


I have little doubt that the US has made it clear what Israel stands to lose if they move unilaterally against US wishes.

Without us propping them up, they're a paper tiger.
 
2013-11-25 12:29:56 PM  
I think it is kind of funny that the White House now has put Saudi Arabia in the position of accepting Iran as the dominant power in the region.

I have a feeling that the Saudi's are not going to let that happen.


They have the money,  they can shop around for what they need (to offset Iran's advantage).
 
2013-11-25 12:31:01 PM  
The GOP playbook just gets smaller and smaller every time you look at it.

The sanctions don't work, they want more sanctions. The sanctions do work, they want more sanctions.

The real goal here is war. The GOP wants to spend the lives of more Americans. They don't want peace, and they're not even willing to look at an option that might lead to a peaceful outcome.

This is what happened in Iraq- they agreed to the terms, the US ignored it, demanded more, they agreed, the US demanded more, and finally just invaded anyway.

How many people have to die? Will the bloodlust ever be sated?
 
2013-11-25 12:31:03 PM  

Funk Brothers: The flaw with these talks is that Israel didn't have a seat. It's a shame too.


Why should people, who don't believe in negotiating with Iran, have a seat in negotiations with Iran?
 
2013-11-25 12:31:38 PM  
I'm so confused.  They say they are 'Pro-Life', but they are so eager to kill lots, and lots of Iranians.  What if some of those Iranians are pregnant?
 
2013-11-25 12:32:02 PM  
"Here's some peas.  If you behave, you'll get the rest of dinner.  Maybe later we can talk about dessert."
 
2013-11-25 12:32:39 PM  

Funk Brothers: The flaw with these talks is that Israel didn't have a seat. It's a shame too.

If I was the PM of Israel, I would go ahead and attack the nuclear facilities in Iran without the consent of the world. Obama has not been a good friend with Israel. Obama basically ignored the cries of democracy from Syria and Egypt.


That's nice. Pakistan wasn't at the talks either. Should they bomb as well?
 
2013-11-25 12:32:56 PM  

Mentat: UberDave: Are they still trying to formulate the potato of reasons why this is bad?  I haven't been paying much attention to the nutball-o-sphere lately.

Obama is just trying to distract from the ObamaCare rollout and it's ridiculous that a President should try to do more than one thing at a time and sanctions are working anyway so sanction harder.


Yeah; it's really farking disingenuous for these asshole right-wingers to keep saying "no deal is a good deal, keep imposing sanctions, they were ALMOST HURTING!!!". Hey geniuses, sanctions only work to get a country to give up nuclearization if they have any HOPE of ever lessening the damn sanctions! If you're going to sanction them no matter what they do, they might as well go nuclear as fast as possible to get you to stop.
 
2013-11-25 12:33:26 PM  

meat0918: Israel could really fark this up for the world if they wanted too.  One strike, and Iran would walk away from the deal, never come back to the table, and retaliate against Israel with little hope of anyone actually stepping in to stop them.

This isn't Iraq 1981.


Israel needs to do this and this is their only, final option. Look at the previous nuclear deals we made with North Korea. They basically reneged them. Israel knows what's up.

Infernalist: How long would Israel last if the US decided to pull all its support and military aid?  A month?


I would say for a long time. They could invade Egypt and seize the Suez Canal since Egypt is weak right now. Besides, Russia and China can support Israel and get military aid while Israel gives the US the middle finger.
 
2013-11-25 12:33:32 PM  

netcentric: Triple Oak: More obstructionism in the Senate by the minorities? Please proceed.

except that it isn't just the minority.   It's also Democrats.

"In a statement, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said he was "disappointed by the terms of the agreement" and added that the deal "makes it more likely that Democrats and Republicans will join together and pass additional sanctions when we return in December."

Obama said to 'get a deal'.


He didn't say get a good deal.


Schumer's an idiot in general.  When he's not attempting to pass legislation against whipped cream or energy drinks, he's kow-towing to Israel so his NY constituents don't show up at his doorstep with pitchforks and torches.  If a president capitulated to even the most outrageous demand by Israel, Schumer would complain that the president forgot the silver platter.
 
2013-11-25 12:33:51 PM  

Cyclometh: The sanctions don't work, they want more sanctions. The sanctions do work, they want more sanctions.


Hey, look how well they worked with Cuba! Any decade now!
 
2013-11-25 12:34:27 PM  

WorldCitizen: When France went publicly against the US in invading Iraq, they were the enemy. When Israel goes publicly against the US (and the UK, France, Germany, Russia, and China) in diplomacy with Iran, Senators jump to the wishes of Israel?

So France goes against the US publicly in making war...BOOOOO!
Israel goes against the US publicly in making peace...YAAAYYY. Go Isreal against the US!


I'm eating a Freedom Bagel right now so I'm getting a kick...
 
2013-11-25 12:34:44 PM  

netcentric: I think it is kind of funny that the White House now has put Saudi Arabia in the position of accepting Iran as the dominant power in the region.


That ius not was has happened at all.
 
2013-11-25 12:37:23 PM  

The Larch: That's nice. Pakistan wasn't at the talks either. Should they bomb as well?


Iran refuses to recognize Israel since the Shah was disposed. Iran recognizes Pakistan, but not Israel. Iran believes that Israel belongs to the Palestinians.

The nuclear deal ignored the call for Iran to recognize Israel.
 
2013-11-25 12:37:46 PM  

Cyclometh: How many people have to die? Will the bloodlust ever be sated?


Not as long as there are military contractors to be fed.  There's a reason why all diplomacy is considered Munich-level appeasement by the GOP.
 
2013-11-25 12:38:26 PM  

Funk Brothers: They could invade Egypt and seize the Suez Canal since Egypt is weak right now.


That would be a Crime Aginst Peace.
 
2013-11-25 12:38:54 PM  

Funk Brothers: Infernalist: lol yeah, go ahead and attack one of your neighbors without cause and without the backing of the US.  Let's see how that turns out for you.

It would be very wise for Israel to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities on the first day of Hanukkah, the same day millions of Americans and Obama are eating turkey. They won't be expecting it.


With a brilliant strategic mind like yours, I'm surprised that you're here posting on Fark and not teaching at West Point.
 
2013-11-25 12:39:13 PM  

Funk Brothers: meat0918: Israel could really fark this up for the world if they wanted too.  One strike, and Iran would walk away from the deal, never come back to the table, and retaliate against Israel with little hope of anyone actually stepping in to stop them.

This isn't Iraq 1981.

Israel needs to do this and this is their only, final option. Look at the previous nuclear deals we made with North Korea. They basically reneged them. Israel knows what's up.

Infernalist: How long would Israel last if the US decided to pull all its support and military aid?  A month?

I would say for a long time. They could invade Egypt and seize the Suez Canal since Egypt is weak right now. Besides, Russia and China can support Israel and get military aid while Israel gives the US the middle finger.


Yes. They should go yo war with Egypt to support a war with Iran. Are there any more people that you think need some killing, while you're at it?
 
2013-11-25 12:40:57 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: UberDave: Are they still trying to formulate the potato of reasons why this is bad?  I haven't been paying much attention to the nutball-o-sphere lately.

Oh yeah.  The warmongers are really mad about this.  They hate diplomacy.


John Bolton and Paul Wolfowitz get chubbies just thinking about bombing Iran.
 
2013-11-25 12:41:20 PM  

netcentric: Triple Oak: More obstructionism in the Senate by the minorities? Please proceed.

except that it isn't just the minority.   It's also Democrats.

"In a statement, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said he was "disappointed by the terms of the agreement" and added that the deal "makes it more likely that Democrats and Republicans will join together and pass additional sanctions when we return in December."

Obama said to 'get a deal'.


He didn't say get a good deal.


I don't know if you know this, but Schumer's Jewish and an Israel supporter.
 
2013-11-25 12:41:38 PM  

WorldCitizen: Cyclometh: The sanctions don't work, they want more sanctions. The sanctions do work, they want more sanctions.

Hey, look how well they worked with Cuba! Any decade now!


It's like the only thing they understand is confrontation and insistence that it's done our way or not at all. That is not a policy that we can maintain. You cannot command respect if you don't give it, and you cannot force everyone to bend to your will. The US is incredibly powerful but it is not omnipotent. Ignoring diplomacy and focusing only on force or threats of it not only throws away an incredibly powerful set of tools to bring our will to bear across the world, it leads to a weakening of the rest of our tools.

Threats and force can't last forever. You can't beat everyone into submission, any more than you can appease your way to the top. If America is to survive the 21st century, it must come to terms with the fact that we are a member of a global community of nations, and we don't get to dictate to everyone how they do business.

Our interests are not served by a war with Iran. Our interests (and the interests of the world) are served by a less aggressive Iran without an ambition to obtain nuclear weapons. Further humiliation of a proud country will not cause them to abandon those ambitions- exactly the opposite. A cogent, reasonable and cautious stance, being willing to talk and let Iran prove the intent behind its words, are the best chance we have to allow Iran to get out of this impasse with its dignity, and us to get out if without yet another war.
 
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