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(Salon)   Why the tea party will lose the Obamacare battle: "When Healthcare.gov actually starts working, the GOP will have to choose between politics or their constituents' health"   (salon.com) divider line 224
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jbc [TotalFark]
2013-11-25 09:24:44 AM  
Is that really a choice they face? The GOP would choose to give their relatives Morgellons if they could make a buck or two off it.
 
2013-11-25 09:27:50 AM  
DNTRFA yet, but generally speaking, that sort of premature gloating is unwise.

When have this GOP's attacks been reality based or honest?  For example:   Boehner

And don't jinx the ACA.  Unintended consequences and all.
 
2013-11-25 09:31:46 AM  
When Healthcare.gov actually starts working

That's a big 'IF'.  There is going to be a wave a people who lost their insurance and won't have insurance on Jan 1st and will be entering 2014 uncovered that want to be covered.  And some of them are going to get hurt or sick and have to face big health care expenses.  Democrats will pay the political price for that.

And when the site is working, more people will see just how expensive their new plans will be and how limited their networks of doctors will be.  The fully functional web site will just shed a light on the other parts of the bill that are also unsavory.

And let's not forget people have to enter a lot of personal data into the site and its dangerous lack of security in protecting that information.
 
2013-11-25 09:34:26 AM  

Diogenes: DNTRFA yet, but generally speaking, that sort of premature gloating is unwise.

When have this GOP's attacks been reality based or honest?  For example:   Boehner

And don't jinx the ACA.  Unintended consequences and all.


THIS.

Shut up about the ACA and wait for the GOP to shut down the government again.
 
2013-11-25 09:40:14 AM  
Commercial keeps playing here (Senate race soon). Vote for the people, vote against (senate member) who supports Obama and Obamacare. Obamacare just isn't working. It doesn't work...

.... I just, did I lose a few months? Did the Holidays already pass and I missed out on good food and presents?!?! HOW IS IT ALREADY JANUARY!????
 
2013-11-25 09:44:19 AM  

SlothB77: When Healthcare.gov actually starts working

That's a big 'IF'.  There is going to be a wave a people who lost their insurance and won't have insurance on Jan 1st and will be entering 2014 uncovered that want to be covered.  And some of them are going to get hurt or sick and have to face big health care expenses.  Democrats will pay the political price for that.

And when the site is working, more people will see just how expensive their new plans will be and how limited their networks of doctors will be.  The fully functional web site will just shed a light on the other parts of the bill that are also unsavory.

And let's not forget people have to enter a lot of personal data into the site and its dangerous lack of security in protecting that information.


The Republicans cannot judge the success of Obamacare.  They have deemed Obamacare a failure regardless of outcome, numbers, math.  They disagree with it ideologically.

So regardless what happens with Obamacare, clearly Republicans will not and should not be part on the National discussion regarding its success or failure.

Only people who believe in the stated goals of the program can really comment.

It would be like Republicans judging the success of a health program to provide better access to abortions.
 
2013-11-25 09:47:58 AM  
It's about narrative. At this point, it's about controlling the message, because facts might get in the way...
 
2013-11-25 09:57:06 AM  

SlothB77: When Healthcare.gov actually starts working

That's a big 'IF'.  There is going to be a wave a people who lost their insurance and won't have insurance on Jan 1st and will be entering 2014 uncovered that want to be covered.  And some of them are going to get hurt or sick and have to face big health care expenses.  Democrats will pay the political price for that.

And when the site is working, more people will see just how expensive their new plans will be and how limited their networks of doctors will be.  The fully functional web site will just shed a light on the other parts of the bill that are also unsavory.

And let's not forget people have to enter a lot of personal data into the site and its dangerous lack of security in protecting that information.



lol look at you
 
2013-11-25 10:00:25 AM  

SlothB77: When Healthcare.gov actually starts working

That's a big 'IF'.  There is going to be a wave a people who lost their insurance and won't have insurance on Jan 1st and will be entering 2014 uncovered that want to be covered.  And some of them are going to get hurt or sick and have to face big health care expenses.  Democrats will pay the political price for that.

And when the site is working, more people will see just how expensive their new plans will be and how limited their networks of doctors will be.  The fully functional web site will just shed a light on the other parts of the bill that are also unsavory.

And let's not forget people have to enter a lot of personal data into the site and its dangerous lack of security in protecting that information.


You have to get up pretty early to be more wrong than Sloth.

What are you 0 for your lifetime?
 
2013-11-25 10:04:27 AM  

SlothB77: That's a big 'IF'.


i used it a couple of weeks ago, and it worked just fine.

/understands that the plural of anecdote is not data.
 
2013-11-25 10:06:40 AM  
Stay the course! Keep the faith!
 
2013-11-25 10:10:46 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Stay the course! Keep the faith!


How would you define success/failure of Obamacare?
 
2013-11-25 10:17:18 AM  
They made that "choice" a long time ago.

Hint: politics won
 
2013-11-25 10:18:17 AM  
We are offering Reverse Darwisnism for f*cking FREE and they deny it, proving that Darwisnism (not Reverse Darwinism) is alive and well.
 
2013-11-25 10:18:21 AM  

mrshowrules: Dancin_In_Anson: Stay the course! Keep the faith!

How would you define success/failure of Obamacare?


The same as everything else: by its effects on local pig shootin'
 
2013-11-25 10:19:43 AM  
They've already made their choice.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-25 10:20:45 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-25 10:21:00 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Stay the course! Keep the faith!


Says the libertarian.
 
2013-11-25 10:22:51 AM  
They already chose when they started telling people they're better off *without* healthcare.

l3.yimg.com
 
2013-11-25 10:23:03 AM  
I'm waiting for the people who can't even obtain a picture ID to log on and select their heatlthcare plan.
 
2013-11-25 10:23:13 AM  
GOP care about anything???  that's funny.


Only the Dollars matter to the GOP.   their only task is to find a way to hide the fact that they could not care less about their constituants healthcare needs.
 
2013-11-25 10:23:56 AM  

jbc: Is that really a choice they face? The GOP would choose to give their relatives Morgellons if they could make a buck or two off it.


They would give them a fake illness?
 
2013-11-25 10:25:44 AM  
The funny thing is, they acknowledge it.

I've heard them saying, IRL, they have to stop it, so that American's don't find out they like it.
 
x23
2013-11-25 10:26:01 AM  

jbc: Is that really a choice they face? The GOP would choose to give their relatives Morgellons if they could make a buck or two off it.


pretty sure Morgellons is only a thing if you are a regular listener of Art Bell. in which case you believe in all sorts of complete pretend nonsense so it is understandable you would also have a pretend disease.

it is actually the perfect "disease" for the paranoid maniacal delusions that currently pervades the modern GOP.
 
2013-11-25 10:26:10 AM  
Do people think that the GOP will choose their constituents' health before politics?
 
2013-11-25 10:26:18 AM  

mrshowrules: How would you define success/failure of Obamacare?


People dieing in they streets from to the lack of coverage would be a GOP success.
 
2013-11-25 10:26:39 AM  
It looks like the Spin Doctors have gotten back together!

The people that the ACA need the most to sign up aren't.. and they will probably just pay the penalty for the first couple years.. in the mean time, premiums are going to rise disproportionately.

We should have just gone with single payer... and the left should be rooting for the ACA to fail so that single payer can come to its rescue.
 
2013-11-25 10:27:22 AM  

anfrind: They've already made their choice.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 480x276]


This.

/The GOP has shown time and time again that they care more about politics than the will of the people, or even their constituents
//gun laws
//medicare part D
//opposed stimulus
//ACA
//Govt shutdown
 
2013-11-25 10:28:12 AM  
Isn't Mitch Mconnell already doing this?
 
2013-11-25 10:29:05 AM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: I'm waiting for the people who can't even obtain a picture ID to log on and select their heatlthcare plan.


Having got a picture ID a few days ago, I can tell you unequivocally that signing up for healthcare was far easier.
 
2013-11-25 10:30:02 AM  
The GOP only worries about rich people and their corporations. The party could care less whether their members are healthy or not as long as they are brainwashed idiots who vote against their own benefit for the benefit of others better off than they will ever be.
 
2013-11-25 10:30:57 AM  

dwrash: It looks like the Spin Doctors have gotten back together!

<b>The people that the ACA need the most to sign up aren't</b>.. and they will probably just pay the penalty for the first couple years.. in the mean time, premiums are going to rise disproportionately.

We should have just gone with single payer... and the left should be rooting for the ACA to fail so that single payer can come to its rescue.


In all fairness... why would they sign up in october and pay months early for insurance that doesn't start until jan 1st? I mean, people buy the month before in the private market, what makes you think that they won't sign up in December for this market?
 
2013-11-25 10:31:02 AM  
like these lil biatches would put some average schmoe's health above politics. they know their consituency is likely the most ignorant, and stupid in the nation because they sure do use things that appeal to the ignorant and stupid. in a eugenics kind of way, the gop encouraging their constituency to not choose healthcare and slowly die off might not be a bad thing.
 
2013-11-25 10:31:23 AM  

firefly212: Cat Food Sandwiches: I'm waiting for the people who can't even obtain a picture ID to log on and select their heatlthcare plan.

Having got a picture ID a few days ago, I can tell you unequivocally that signing up for healthcare was far easier.


Well, republicans don't actually want you to get an ID and they are the ones pushing the disenfranchisement laws, so sounds like it is working perfectly.
 
2013-11-25 10:35:17 AM  
SlothB77

Arrive.
Spew nonsense.
Leave.

Very efficient. And always wrong. Even Boehner was able to sign up on an exchange website. What a failure.
 
2013-11-25 10:35:48 AM  

mrshowrules: How would you define success/failure of Obamacare?


If it reduces cost, red tape, regulation, size of government, etc etc etc it's a success.

Bareefer Obonghit: I can count to potato!


Of course you can, Pumpkin. We're all so proud of you.
 
2013-11-25 10:36:51 AM  
I originally tried signing on to Healthcare.gov in early October and had the same problems everyone described.  I ended up borking my email address and decided it would be best to wait.  The other night, I got an email asking me to try again so I did.  After about 20 minutes, I completed the application and got to the point of choosing a healthcare plan.  I'm currently insured by my employer, so this was an exercise in curiosity more than anything else, but I found I could purchase a plan equivalent to what my employer offers me for about $50 more per month out of pocket (which I'm guessing is a lot less than my employer contributes to my plan).  If I dropped to a silver plan, I would save about $50 a month.

Healthcare.gov is working.  You guys have lashed yourselves to your white whale, and it's about to sound.
 
2013-11-25 10:38:13 AM  

mrshowrules: Dancin_In_Anson: Stay the course! Keep the faith!

How would you define success/failure...


Success: three to five million get to keep their junk policies/tens of millions get nothing, but he's got his, so f*ck you

Failure: everyone is insured, the growth in health care costs continues to slow, Republican apocalyptic doom and gloom fails to destroy the country...again
 
2013-11-25 10:39:57 AM  
you meant overreacting about product launches in the tech world usually backfires? unpossible
 
2013-11-25 10:40:21 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Bareefer Obonghit: I can count to potato!

Of course you can, Pumpkin. We're all so proud of you.


Is this your new shtick?  Making up what people say so you can cleverly retort?

How sad.
 
2013-11-25 10:40:23 AM  
Will the NotasAffordableasyouThoughtAct reduce a families cost by $2500 as promised ...

No.
 
2013-11-25 10:40:44 AM  
Here's the thing. Even when it's working, will the Democrats be able to overcome the noise machine and convince people that it's working? Or will they Coakley this as well?
 
2013-11-25 10:41:34 AM  

Stile4aly: I originally tried signing on to Healthcare.gov in early October and had the same problems everyone described.  I ended up borking my email address and decided it would be best to wait.  The other night, I got an email asking me to try again so I did.  After about 20 minutes, I completed the application and got to the point of choosing a healthcare plan.  I'm currently insured by my employer, so this was an exercise in curiosity more than anything else, but I found I could purchase a plan equivalent to what my employer offers me for about $50 more per month out of pocket (which I'm guessing is a lot less than my employer contributes to my plan).  If I dropped to a silver plan, I would save about $50 a month.

Healthcare.gov is working.  You guys have lashed yourselves to your white whale, and it's about to sound.


In the face of that anecdotal evidence, the naysayers have no option other than to surrender.
 
2013-11-25 10:42:02 AM  
healthcare.gov is not the law... it is a tool to access insurance. I'm assuming there are other ways to access the chance to get insurance (phone, visiting insurance company's website, etc).

The bugs in healthcare.gov will get fixed eventually. Who in here has ever had an ERP type of project go 100% perfect? I have been doing ERP configuration for 13 years in the private sector, and most of our roll-outs have been good, but not perfect. We always have post-live activities planned for things that will go wrong. It is anticipated that certain aspect of the system will not work correctly.
 
2013-11-25 10:43:30 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: If it reduces cost, red tape, regulation, size of government, etc etc etc it's a success.


what if it slows healthcare spending to their lowest levels but increases regulation on the healthcare companies?
 
2013-11-25 10:45:18 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: The GOP only worries about rich people and their corporations. The party could care less whether their members are healthy or not as long as they are brainwashed idiots who vote against their own benefit for the benefit of others better off than they will ever be.


Corporations are people, you socialist!
 
2013-11-25 10:46:14 AM  

Headso: Dancin_In_Anson: If it reduces cost, red tape, regulation, size of government, etc etc etc it's a success.

what if it slows healthcare spending to their lowest levels but increases regulation on the healthcare companies?


Else what's a heaven for?
 
2013-11-25 10:46:25 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: If it reduces cost, red tape, regulation, size of government, etc etc etc it's a success.


So only things that reduce the size of government are a success in your eyes?

IF the program increases the size of government, but allows more people to be insured/fewer people to die due to not having health insurance, that would be a 'failure', since it increased regulation?

That's a pretty farked up grading metric. "Sure, it saved lives and helped people, but it INCREASED GOVERNMENT, therefore it is a failure!"
 
2013-11-25 10:47:45 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Dancin_In_Anson: Bareefer Obonghit: I can count to potato!

Of course you can, Pumpkin. We're all so proud of you.

Is this your new shtick?  Making up what people say so you can cleverly retort?

How sad.


No, he signed up for TotalFarkIndependent and the filter changes embarrassing history about yourself to more easily digestible meme speak.
 
2013-11-25 10:47:56 AM  

SlothB77: When Healthcare.gov actually starts working

That's a big 'IF'.  There is going to be a wave a people who lost their insurance and won't have insurance on Jan 1st and will be entering 2014 uncovered that want to be covered.  And some of them are going to get hurt or sick and have to face big health care expenses.  Democrats will pay the political price for that.

And when the site is working, more people will see just how expensive their new plans will be and how limited their networks of doctors will be.  The fully functional web site will just shed a light on the other parts of the bill that are also unsavory.

And let's not forget people have to enter a lot of personal data into the site and its dangerous lack of security in protecting that information.


Luckily for you, Obamacare covers butthurt.
The plan, before subsidies, was just a bit more than what I'm currently paying and about 3 times better (or, at least, the deductible is 3 times less, and this seems to actually cover stuff).
The medical group I've been in is in the policy. I'm checking if my dentist or any local eye-docs are.
Saving a couple thousand per year will help out, maybe even allowing me to plan for a future.


i.imgur.com /ESO Beta sucked.
 
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