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(Opposing Views)   Six-year-old boy who sees a pit bull attacking his little friend. Did he: a) run away, b) cry, or c) grab the dog by the collar and pull it off?   (opposingviews.com) divider line 135
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2013-11-24 07:57:56 PM  
Of course the dog owner thinks it's the kids' fault.

As a dog owner, I'd have my dog put down if it attacked anyone like that. Don't want a dog with that potential.
 
2013-11-24 08:00:20 PM  
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The correct answer is C) Hack it to death with a kitchen knife.
 
2013-11-24 08:09:30 PM  
It sounds like the dog was neglected which would make the owner (if not legally, morally) culpable.  I'm sure the kids meant no harm, and I feel bad that this happened, but they invaded the dog's territory.  He acted on instinct.  In an ideal world, the dog would be rehabilitated and re-homed.  In reality, it looks like he's either going to be killed or put back on the farking chain.  Good job by the one kid who saved his friend though.
 
2013-11-24 08:18:02 PM  
"Pit bull"
 
2013-11-24 08:23:09 PM  
Yeah that dog needs to be put down. Surprised that 6 year old could move, given how heavy his balls must be.

Something similar happened in my neighborhood growing up, except it was a 4th grader, the kid was in the street and not their yard, and there was no question whether or not the dog needed to be put down. The guy who saved the kid made that decision for the authorities.
 
2013-11-24 08:23:09 PM  
"pull it off" as in "red rocket"?

that's one way to distract it...
 
2013-11-24 08:24:05 PM  
As always, it's a pit bull.
 
2013-11-24 08:24:14 PM  
At first I wondered, Why are 6 year olds walking around without adult supervision? But then I got to the part where is said mobile home and then I understood.
 
2013-11-24 08:25:09 PM  

ReapTheChaos: As always, it's a pit bull.


So says the article.
 
2013-11-24 08:27:00 PM  
Pit bull chained outside a motorhome attacks a small child? Shocking?

Stereotypes exist for a reason.

Good on the kid, though.
 
2013-11-24 08:27:17 PM  
But... but... pit bulls are little guardian angels, here's a picture of my pit bull that I consider to be cute that proves it!

And besides, people don't know how to recognize pit bulls! I bet it was really a chihuahua, those are nasty little brutes!
 
2013-11-24 08:28:28 PM  
Why would he pull the dog's collar off?
 
2013-11-24 08:28:41 PM  

Hoban Washburne: Good job by the one kid who saved his friend though.


The best thing the kid did was to scream and get the attention of the owner. Let's be honest here, it's not like a six-year-old was putting any meaningful resistance on a pit bull. The owner ran out, grabbed the dog, the chewed-up kid wasn't dropped, and he punched the dog in the face. The owner sounds like an asshole for other reasons, but the six-year-old didn't really save anybody except for the initial cry for help.

Moral of the story: don't let kids use your backyard as a shortcut if you own a maladjusted dog.
 
2013-11-24 08:28:58 PM  

AirForceVet: Of course the dog owner thinks it's the kids' fault.

As a dog owner, I'd have my dog put down if it attacked anyone like that. Don't want a dog with that potential.


This.
Of course, anyone who would put down their dog if it carried out such an attack probably* wouldn't have raised and treated the dog in such a fashion that it would attack like that.

*I know dogs flip out even with decent owners. Given that the dog isn't already dead, the owner isn't the sort that puts much thought into how they treat, raise and train their dog.
 
2013-11-24 08:29:53 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ReapTheChaos: As always, it's a pit bull.

So says the article.


yup knowing the state of modern reporting it could be anything from a Pekingese to a Great Dane....
 
2013-11-24 08:29:54 PM  
The dog's owner reminded the families that the boys were in her yard.
Kevin says the dog's owner told the boys it was okay to use the shortcut as long as they stayed close to the fence because the dog's chain didn't reach that far.


So what are the chances these kids were taunting the dog and got too close?

/zero sympathy if they were
//hope the dog will be okay
 
2013-11-24 08:31:08 PM  
"The black and white pit bull is under a 10-day quarantine at St. George Animal Shelter. The dog's owner reminded the families that the boys were in her yard.
Kevin says the dog's owner told the boys it was okay to use the shortcut as long as they stayed close to the fence because the dog's chain didn't reach that far."

Yeah see, the problem is she shouldn't have given them permission to cross through the yard then if the dog isn't cool with it. Only a matter of time until it breaks free of the chain or climbs a fence.
 
2013-11-24 08:32:04 PM  

AirForceVet: Of course the dog owner thinks it's the kids' fault.

As a dog owner, I'd have my dog put down if it attacked anyone like that. Don't want a dog with that potential.


Now is not the time to talk about dog control.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ReapTheChaos: As always, it's a pit bull.

So says the article.


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/hot
 
2013-11-24 08:32:17 PM  
i117.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-24 08:32:36 PM  

Vector R: The dog's owner reminded the families that the boys were in her yard.
Kevin says the dog's owner told the boys it was okay to use the shortcut as long as they stayed close to the fence because the dog's chain didn't reach that far.

So what are the chances these kids were taunting the dog and got too close?

/zero sympathy if they were
//hope the dog will be okay


I was riding on an urban bike trail last weekend and rode by 3 boys standing outside a fence that backed up to the trail, kicking a soccer ball at and generally antagonizing a "pit bull" on the other side of the fence. If it had gotten loose and mauled one of them, I'm sure it would have resulted in a story like this.
 
2013-11-24 08:36:28 PM  

asynchron: AirForceVet: Of course the dog owner thinks it's the kids' fault.

As a dog owner, I'd have my dog put down if it attacked anyone like that. Don't want a dog with that potential.

Now is not the time to talk about dog control.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ReapTheChaos: As always, it's a pit bull.

So says the article.



/hot


I have a small black staffordshire terrier and a large brindle boxer, and every time I go to the dog park I get morons asking about my "pit bulls".
 
2013-11-24 08:36:47 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Hoban Washburne: Good job by the one kid who saved his friend though.

The best thing the kid did was to scream and get the attention of the owner. Let's be honest here, it's not like a six-year-old was putting any meaningful resistance on a pit bull. The owner ran out, grabbed the dog, the chewed-up kid wasn't dropped, and he punched the dog in the face. The owner sounds like an asshole for other reasons, but the six-year-old didn't really save anybody except for the initial cry for help.

Moral of the story: don't let kids use your backyard as a shortcut if you own a maladjusted dog.


The owner wasn't the one who came to help. It was one of the kid's grandpa who punched the dog in the face.
 
2013-11-24 08:37:22 PM  

Vector R: The dog's owner reminded the families that the boys were in her yard.
Kevin says the dog's owner told the boys it was okay to use the shortcut as long as they stayed close to the fence because the dog's chain didn't reach that far.

So what are the chances these kids were taunting the dog and got too close?

/zero sympathy if they were
//hope the dog will be okay


They were probably dressed like steak and totally deserved it. That is a completely reasonable assumption that a rational person would make.

If your dog attacks a small child, it should be euthanized without debate. The owner should be kneecapped.
 
2013-11-24 08:40:22 PM  

redmid17: The owner wasn't the one who came to help. It was one of the kid's grandpa who punched the dog in the face.


Ah, that makes more sense. Owner is an asshole for all reasons now, apparently.
 
2013-11-24 08:41:58 PM  

ReapTheChaos: As always, it's a pit bull.


i.imgur.com

Today there are the most demonized dog de jure. Used to be the Rottweiler. Before that it was the Doberman Pincher, blah blah blah. "Pit Bull" isn't even a breed. Its a catchall term used around any of several different breeds. And the media can't or won't distinguish between them.
 
2013-11-24 08:45:02 PM  

kingdd: At first I wondered, Why are 6 year olds walking around without adult supervision? But then I got to the part where is said mobile home and then I understood.


I'm surprised there are trailers in St. George.
 
2013-11-24 08:47:42 PM  

Bandito King: Vector R: The dog's owner reminded the families that the boys were in her yard.
Kevin says the dog's owner told the boys it was okay to use the shortcut as long as they stayed close to the fence because the dog's chain didn't reach that far.

So what are the chances these kids were taunting the dog and got too close?

/zero sympathy if they were
//hope the dog will be okay

They were probably dressed like steak and totally deserved it. That is a completely reasonable assumption that a rational person would make.

If your dog attacks a small child, it should be euthanized without debate. The owner should be kneecapped.


Eh, it depends. Sometimes the little kid deserves it.
 
2013-11-24 08:48:19 PM  

Bandito King: Vector R: The dog's owner reminded the families that the boys were in her yard.
Kevin says the dog's owner told the boys it was okay to use the shortcut as long as they stayed close to the fence because the dog's chain didn't reach that far.

So what are the chances these kids were taunting the dog and got too close?

/zero sympathy if they were
//hope the dog will be okay

They were probably dressed like steak and totally deserved it. That is a completely reasonable assumption that a rational person would make.

If your dog attacks a small child, it should be euthanized without debate. The owner should be kneecapped.


So if the dog was still on the chain, and the chain had not come free, then how were the kids attacked if they weren't in an area they'd been specifically been told NOT to be in?

I'm okay with dogs defending their turf, and their owners too.
 
2013-11-24 08:52:00 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Bandito King: Vector R: The dog's owner reminded the families that the boys were in her yard.
Kevin says the dog's owner told the boys it was okay to use the shortcut as long as they stayed close to the fence because the dog's chain didn't reach that far.

So what are the chances these kids were taunting the dog and got too close?

/zero sympathy if they were
//hope the dog will be okay

They were probably dressed like steak and totally deserved it. That is a completely reasonable assumption that a rational person would make.

If your dog attacks a small child, it should be euthanized without debate. The owner should be kneecapped.

Eh, it depends. Sometimes the little kid deserves it.


What the hell is wrong with you?  They're just little kids... OF COURSE they deserved it!  DUH!

\not serious, window seat, etc.
 
2013-11-24 08:53:21 PM  
And... out trot the apologists.

Vector R: Bandito King: Vector R: The dog's owner reminded the families that the boys were in her yard.
Kevin says the dog's owner told the boys it was okay to use the shortcut as long as they stayed close to the fence because the dog's chain didn't reach that far.

So what are the chances these kids were taunting the dog and got too close?

/zero sympathy if they were
//hope the dog will be okay

They were probably dressed like steak and totally deserved it. That is a completely reasonable assumption that a rational person would make.

If your dog attacks a small child, it should be euthanized without debate. The owner should be kneecapped.

So if the dog was still on the chain, and the chain had not come free, then how were the kids attacked if they weren't in an area they'd been specifically been told NOT to be in?

I'm okay with dogs defending their turf, and their owners too.


"Yeah, a six-year-old completely deserved nearly getting mauled to death for being five feet away from where they were supposed to be!"

Do you ever listen to yourself?
 
2013-11-24 08:55:54 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ReapTheChaos: As always, it's a pit bull.

So says the article.


Yes, let's focus on the real victims here, the pit bull
 
2013-11-24 08:56:34 PM  
Chopper, sic balls.
 
2013-11-24 08:57:17 PM  

Badgers: "pull it off" as in "red rocket"?

that's one way to distract it...


Unfortunately I think we're both victims of English as she should be spoke.

/Pull it off = having a ham shank.
 
2013-11-24 09:01:08 PM  

jedikinkoid: But... but... pit bulls are little guardian angels, here's a picture of my pit bull that I consider to be cute that proves it!

And besides, people don't know how to recognize pit bulls! I bet it was really a chihuahua, those are nasty little brutes!



Here's the thing... If you leave a St. Bernard, or a beagle or a whatever tied with a chain to a post all day in the sun, alone.... it's gonna do the same damn thing. That's how you TRAIN the dog to be aggressive.

For starters, dogs are social creatures. We intelligently designed them to be companions of ours. If you neglect it all day - when it should be in the home socializing with your family - you're training it to be aggressive to anyone who encroaches on its territory. It feels vulnerable tied to that thing too, so it's going to lash out. And all day long it sees people walking by the house on the street and then leaving... it thinks that everything keeps going because the dog is there, so it further reinforces the aggressive behavior.

So the moral of the story is don't get a farking dog if you're just going to leave it in the farking yard all day. Get a fishtank. A modest one.
 
2013-11-24 09:01:32 PM  

jedikinkoid: And... out trot the apologists.

Vector R: Bandito King: Vector R: The dog's owner reminded the families that the boys were in her yard.
Kevin says the dog's owner told the boys it was okay to use the shortcut as long as they stayed close to the fence because the dog's chain didn't reach that far.

So what are the chances these kids were taunting the dog and got too close?

/zero sympathy if they were
//hope the dog will be okay

They were probably dressed like steak and totally deserved it. That is a completely reasonable assumption that a rational person would make.

If your dog attacks a small child, it should be euthanized without debate. The owner should be kneecapped.

So if the dog was still on the chain, and the chain had not come free, then how were the kids attacked if they weren't in an area they'd been specifically been told NOT to be in?

I'm okay with dogs defending their turf, and their owners too.

"Yeah, a six-year-old completely deserved nearly getting mauled to death for being five feet away from where they were supposed to be!"

Do you ever listen to yourself?


Wow, you took 'The dog should not be put down and the owner not penalized due to a mistake made that was not theirs' to  mean 'The six year old deserved it'.  That is a pretty good leap
 
2013-11-24 09:01:40 PM  

Pribar: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ReapTheChaos: As always, it's a pit bull.

So says the article.

yup knowing the state of modern reporting it could be anything from a Pekingese to a Great Dane....


Is there one of those journalism charts for dogs, like there is for AK-47s?
 
2013-11-24 09:04:41 PM  

MycroftHolmes: jedikinkoid: And... out trot the apologists.

Vector R: Bandito King: Vector R: The dog's owner reminded the families that the boys were in her yard.
Kevin says the dog's owner told the boys it was okay to use the shortcut as long as they stayed close to the fence because the dog's chain didn't reach that far.

So what are the chances these kids were taunting the dog and got too close?

/zero sympathy if they were
//hope the dog will be okay

They were probably dressed like steak and totally deserved it. That is a completely reasonable assumption that a rational person would make.

If your dog attacks a small child, it should be euthanized without debate. The owner should be kneecapped.

So if the dog was still on the chain, and the chain had not come free, then how were the kids attacked if they weren't in an area they'd been specifically been told NOT to be in?

I'm okay with dogs defending their turf, and their owners too.

"Yeah, a six-year-old completely deserved nearly getting mauled to death for being five feet away from where they were supposed to be!"

Do you ever listen to yourself?

Wow, you took 'The dog should not be put down and the owner not penalized due to a mistake made that was not theirs' to  mean 'The six year old deserved it'.  That is a pretty good leap


Got it. "/zero sympathy if they were" with regard to the fact they were attacked means "The dog should not be put down and the owner not penalized due to a mistake made that was not theirs", not "they deserved it". I'll have to learn how to read better next time.
 
2013-11-24 09:08:36 PM  
Wow - If you google "St. George dog attack" you can see they have a major problem with vicious dogs.

Some kid's getting mauled there every couple of weeks!
 
2013-11-24 09:08:40 PM  

Pribar: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ReapTheChaos: As always, it's a pit bull.

So says the article.

yup knowing the state of modern reporting it could be anything from a Pekingese to a Great Dane....


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Or a vampire Pomeranian.
 
2013-11-24 09:09:27 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ReapTheChaos: As always, it's a pit bull.

So says the article.

Yes, let's focus on the real victims here, the pit bull


Chained up all day and now facing euthanasia? Yeah, it's definitely a victim in this story.
 
2013-11-24 09:12:03 PM  

noitsnot: Wow - If you google "St. George dog attack" you can see they have a major problem with vicious dogs.

Some kid's getting mauled there every couple of weeks!


The same kid? Maybe it's the kid who has a problem.
 
2013-11-24 09:14:21 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: noitsnot: Wow - If you google "St. George dog attack" you can see they have a major problem with vicious dogs.

Some kid's getting mauled there every couple of weeks!

The same kid? Maybe it's the kid who has a problem.


He's resilient, but a slow learner.
 
2013-11-24 09:17:08 PM  
First the kids were dumb as fark to cut through that yard. They knew it was there and I have doubts about the "permission" they were given.
Next, the owner needs to be fined for something, cruelty to animals at the least.
sadly, the dog needs a shot at rehab (and don't tell me it cannot happen) and if he fails, be put down
last but not least. What kinda of dog was it actually?
 
2013-11-24 09:17:48 PM  

Badgers: "pull it off" as in "red rocket"?

that's one way to distract it...


How do you stop a dog from humping your leg?

/ pick it up and suck its dick!
 
2013-11-24 09:18:10 PM  

AirForceVet: Of course the dog owner thinks it's the kids' fault.


They were taking a shortcut through someone else's yard where a pit bull was chained, i.e. it was a yard with a  guard dog.

I don't own a dog and I'm not sympathetic to people who can't control their pets... but the dog was doing what it was supposed to, it  was under control (it was chained), and the kids were doing something they  weren't supposed to, cutting across someone else's lawn.

While they don't necessarily  deserve to be bitten, their stupidity is pretty much the sole cause of their injuries and I don't really see why any blame should be placed on the dog or its owner.  It'd be sort of like trying to court-order someone to cut down trees on their private land because your dipshiat kid was trespassing and fell while climbing one.
 
2013-11-24 09:19:52 PM  

mongbiohazard: jedikinkoid: But... but... pit bulls are little guardian angels, here's a picture of my pit bull that I consider to be cute that proves it!

And besides, people don't know how to recognize pit bulls! I bet it was really a chihuahua, those are nasty little brutes!


Here's the thing... If you leave a St. Bernard, or a beagle or a whatever tied with a chain to a post all day in the sun, alone.... it's gonna do the same damn thing. That's how you TRAIN the dog to be aggressive.

For starters, dogs are social creatures. We intelligently designed them to be companions of ours. If you neglect it all day - when it should be in the home socializing with your family - you're training it to be aggressive to anyone who encroaches on its territory. It feels vulnerable tied to that thing too, so it's going to lash out. And all day long it sees people walking by the house on the street and then leaving... it thinks that everything keeps going because the dog is there, so it further reinforces the aggressive behavior.

So the moral of the story is don't get a farking dog if you're just going to leave it in the farking yard all day. Get a fishtank. A modest one.


Bull.

 Ever go out into the country where people keep hunting hounds or other working dogs? Every single one of them is tied to a 6' chain around a rotating axle with a plywood dog house. You can walk up to damn near every one of those dogs and give them a big hug and the worst they're going to do is knock you down because they don't know how freaking strong they are.

 If there is an odd one in the bunch that's aggressive the owner will let you know, but they do that because it's *weird* to have an aggressive one, not normal. That sort of dog would have to be farking amazing at it's job for the owner to even bother keeping them around. 

 Now you pick a breed designed for a companion dog and do that? Yeah, they might go nuts.

 But your broad brush stroke there isn't even remotely accurate.

/at one point, as a 7yr old, my job was to help feed and water dogs like that.
 
2013-11-24 09:27:54 PM  

jedikinkoid: But... but... pit bulls are little guardian angels, here's a picture of my pit bull that I consider to be cute that proves it!

And besides, people don't know how to recognize pit bulls! I bet it was really a chihuahua, those are nasty little brutes!


Meh.  Dogs are dogs.  Breeds don't matter; training does.  Abuse even the calmest dog enough and you can make it psychotic.
 
2013-11-24 09:29:18 PM  
The problem with describing the kid as a hero, rather than as "dipshiat who lucked out", is that others will try to do similar things, and we'll get 2 kids eaten alive for the price of one more often than not. It's like the people that run into burning buildings, or jump into lakes full of icewater, or climb into enclosed spaces full of noxious gasses trying to save people. Cold as it is, the percentage play is to write them off and go dial 911. You haven't helped anyone by getting yourself killed, too.
 
2013-11-24 09:30:07 PM  
Psst!  New pit bull thread two up from this one...
 
2013-11-24 09:30:16 PM  

Piizzadude: last but not least. What kinda of dog was it actually?


Chaining a dog in your yard in the city usually means it actually is one of the more naturally aggressive breeds.  Pit bulls are the most popular, but bulldog mutts are pretty common too.

People that buy dogs as pets need to remember that dogs weren't "pets" primarily until like the last century of history or so, most of them are bred as working dogs and have specific behavioral tendencies.  Pit bulls aren't necessarily aggressive, but they're a guard/fighting breed so their first reaction when presented with something is to full-out latch on, where a retriever will just grab without biting down and many other breeds will just nip.

This applies to perfectly happy, well-adjusted pit bulls, too.  When playing around and wrestling with a pit bull mix, you need to have a bone or bit of rope for them to bite down on, because the playful grabbing shiat that all dogs do is backed up by farkin' vice-clamp jaw muscles.

And, of course, when you piss 'em off a pit bull's instinct is to come at you until and bite you run, where most other dogs tend to play more hit-and-run or try to intimidate you.

// Basically pit bulls wouldn't be such a safety issue if people bothered to know their shiat before trying to handle specialized domestic animals.
 
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