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2013-11-24 12:08:31 PM  
I have a feeling the 85-year-old Korean War veteran might have had a few too many opinions about things he shouldn't have on his trip.
 
2013-11-24 12:58:31 PM  
Going to NK, just like sailing around the horn of Africa or going on vacation to certain places in the middle east, just seems like something that should be avoided.  Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should.
 
2013-11-24 01:27:36 PM  
But at least he'll enjoy the wonderful North Korean prison that was just converted from the one time use water park!

www.washingtonpost.com
 
2013-11-24 01:30:55 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Going to NK, just like sailing around the horn of Africa or going on vacation to certain places in the middle east, just seems like something that should be avoided.  Just because you can do something doesn't mean that you should.


Although, did you see that episode of "Vice" where they went to NK? Interesting stuff.
 
2013-11-24 01:31:33 PM  
I think the lesson here is that Americans shouldn't go to farking North Korea.
 
2013-11-24 01:37:46 PM  
He was probably dressed like a slut and asking for it anyway.
 
2013-11-24 01:37:54 PM  

Infernalist: I think the lesson here is that Americans shouldn't go to farking North Korea.


Not unless you're going to take a tour on up to the Yellow River with a couple hundred thousand other tourists.
 
2013-11-24 01:39:06 PM  
So what does lil'Kim want this time?  Usually NK provocations are a means of getting some level of direct diplomatic dialogue with the US, wherein they try to extort something from us.  I'm guessing a few hundred tons of food aid will get him back safe and sound.
 
2013-11-24 01:40:26 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Not unless you're going to take a tour on up to the Yellow River with a couple hundred thousand other tourists.


I think you mean the Yalu River.  They're two different things.
 
2013-11-24 01:48:01 PM  
Was this really a tourist's trip as the article indicted or was he a missionary trying to Jesify them? They sorta frown on that in ronery Korea.
 
2013-11-24 01:49:59 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Smeggy Smurf: Not unless you're going to take a tour on up to the Yellow River with a couple hundred thousand other tourists.

I think you mean the Yalu River.  They're two different things.


Yeah that one.  Thanks.  My asian geography isn't as well rounded as it should be.
 
2013-11-24 01:53:33 PM  
What part of "stay the fark out of North Korea, and stay far away" do people not understand?
 
2013-11-24 01:53:54 PM  
They may very well consider him a war criminal. It's not like anyone ever stopped hunting down Nazis even when they were 85.
 
2013-11-24 01:54:33 PM  
This should help their desperately needed flow or tourist dollars, not.
 
2013-11-24 02:02:18 PM  
There's a lesson to be learned here. If our State Dept. had any sense they would stop all efforts to recover him so he can be a living example.
 
2013-11-24 02:07:04 PM  
What he did was on par with the idiots who go hiking along the borders of places like Iran or Afghanistan. If you're not going to bother taking five minutes of your day to learn a little bit about the culture you're trying to vacation in or how they feel about Americans, you kinda deserve to be left there.
 
2013-11-24 02:09:41 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: My asian geography isn't as well rounded as it should be.


Most asian geography is relatively flat anyways, but that's okay in my book, because often times the other assets make up for it in spades.
 
2013-11-24 02:09:56 PM  
Well, maybe you shouldn't go to North Korea for vacation. Barring that, maybe you shouldn't have a frank conversation on how many Norks you gunned down in Chosong in the 1950s when visiting "Museum of Glorious Peoples Revolutionary Combat Against Round Eyed Yankee Devils"
 
2013-11-24 02:11:29 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: What he did was on par with the idiots who go hiking along the borders of places like Iran or Afghanistan. If you're not going to bother taking five minutes of your day to learn a little bit about the culture you're trying to vacation in or how they feel about Americans, you kinda deserve to be left there.


Unless he was actually working for the CIA on a "tourist trip" to North Korea.

/adjusts tin foil hat
 
2013-11-24 02:12:42 PM  

Weatherkiss: The My Little Pony Killer: What he did was on par with the idiots who go hiking along the borders of places like Iran or Afghanistan. If you're not going to bother taking five minutes of your day to learn a little bit about the culture you're trying to vacation in or how they feel about Americans, you kinda deserve to be left there.

Unless he was actually working for the CIA on a "tourist trip" to North Korea.

/adjusts tin foil hat


His code name was "Depends".
 
2013-11-24 02:13:05 PM  
I hope I can see as much of him of my FB wall as that Christian guy in Iran.
 
2013-11-24 02:13:51 PM  

HooskerDoo: Weatherkiss: The My Little Pony Killer: What he did was on par with the idiots who go hiking along the borders of places like Iran or Afghanistan. If you're not going to bother taking five minutes of your day to learn a little bit about the culture you're trying to vacation in or how they feel about Americans, you kinda deserve to be left there.

Unless he was actually working for the CIA on a "tourist trip" to North Korea.

/adjusts tin foil hat

His code name was "Depends".


He was trying to rescue his partner, "Denture Blue"
 
2013-11-24 02:16:35 PM  

hardinparamedic: Well, maybe you shouldn't go to North Korea for vacation. Barring that, maybe you shouldn't have a frank conversation on how many Norks you gunned down in Chosong in the 1950s when visiting "Museum of Glorious Peoples Revolutionary Combat Against Round Eyed Yankee Devils"


Maybe the reason he visited is the same reason many Vietnam vets have traveled back to Vietnam. I can't imagine anyone considering North Korea an actual vacation.
 
2013-11-24 02:17:29 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Maybe the reason he visited is the same reason many Vietnam vets have traveled back to Vietnam. I can't imagine anyone considering North Korea an actual vacation.


He has a Viet Namese kid?
 
2013-11-24 02:18:06 PM  
Yes, by all means give your tourism dollars to support a rogue nation that brutalizes the poor souls unlucky enough to be born there.

People should know better than to visit; history or tradition be damned.
 
2013-11-24 02:19:21 PM  
Well, at least we can rest easy knowing Clint Eastwood will buy the movie rights so he can direct and star in it.
 
2013-11-24 02:23:07 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: hardinparamedic: Well, maybe you shouldn't go to North Korea for vacation. Barring that, maybe you shouldn't have a frank conversation on how many Norks you gunned down in Chosong in the 1950s when visiting "Museum of Glorious Peoples Revolutionary Combat Against Round Eyed Yankee Devils"

Maybe the reason he visited is the same reason many Vietnam vets have traveled back to Vietnam. I can't imagine anyone considering North Korea an actual vacation.


Did he meet a vet and think he'd "connect" with him?
 
2013-11-24 02:25:31 PM  

Weatherkiss: Well, at least we can rest easy knowing Clint Eastwood will buy the movie rights so he can direct and star in it.



"Watch as the Hollywood legend plays the man who scowled his way back across the 38th parallel!"ilarge.listal.com
 
2013-11-24 02:28:05 PM  

EJ25T: Weatherkiss: Well, at least we can rest easy knowing Clint Eastwood will buy the movie rights so he can direct and star in it.


"Watch as the Hollywood legend plays the man who scowled his way back across the 38th parallel!"[ilarge.listal.com image 850x1143]


Seriously! This crisis is a Republican filmmaker's wet dream come true. This 85 y/o's family is going to be set for life when Clint wakes up from his nap and turns on Fox News.
 
2013-11-24 02:29:54 PM  

Testiclaw: Yes, by all means give your tourism dollars to support a rogue nation that brutalizes the poor souls unlucky enough to be born there.

People should know better than to visit; history or tradition be damned.


I think it'd be an interesting visit simply because it seems like it'd be almost going back in time. I'd visit if they'd just stop detaining random people for random reasons. Doesn't seem worth the risk. You've got a point with supporting the regime, but having exposure to Americans and exposure to the money that can be made dealing nicely with us wouldn't be a bad start for changing relations.
 
2013-11-24 02:33:51 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: I think it'd be an interesting visit simply because it seems like it'd be almost going back in time.


I think it would be less like going back in real time and more going back in time to future sci-fi Orwellian novels, like you know, Orwell.
 
2013-11-24 02:35:28 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Maybe the reason he visited is the same reason many Vietnam vets have traveled back to Vietnam. I can't imagine anyone considering North Korea an actual vacation.


I know a lot of Vietnam vets that have gone back.  You see, the Vietnamese government typically doesn't arrest or murder tourists in their country, even ones that had taken up arms against it.
 
2013-11-24 02:37:22 PM  

insertsnarkyusername: Testiclaw: Yes, by all means give your tourism dollars to support a rogue nation that brutalizes the poor souls unlucky enough to be born there.

People should know better than to visit; history or tradition be damned.

I think it'd be an interesting visit simply because it seems like it'd be almost going back in time. I'd visit if they'd just stop detaining random people for random reasons. Doesn't seem worth the risk. You've got a point with supporting the regime, but having exposure to Americans and exposure to the money that can be made dealing nicely with us wouldn't be a bad start for changing relations.


Yes, the aspect of entering a, by and large, untouched world is fascinating, but we've seen the images, the videos, etc.

It's grown from an unbelievable failing of humane progress to a tourist attraction.

Those displays of children playing guitars, fancy tour guides and retro-era lifestyles are built on the backs of starving newborns, impoverished families and torture.

I don't care what I'm looking at: if the image is offered to me on the backs of the enslaved and broken, I won't have it.

NK reminds me, much like many other places in the world, at how many "we" allow to suffer and die after a lifetime of hardship and turmoil simply because it's too much effort, too much "risk", to change it.
 
2013-11-24 02:48:00 PM  

Testiclaw: insertsnarkyusername: Testiclaw: Yes, by all means give your tourism dollars to support a rogue nation that brutalizes the poor souls unlucky enough to be born there.

People should know better than to visit; history or tradition be damned.

I think it'd be an interesting visit simply because it seems like it'd be almost going back in time. I'd visit if they'd just stop detaining random people for random reasons. Doesn't seem worth the risk. You've got a point with supporting the regime, but having exposure to Americans and exposure to the money that can be made dealing nicely with us wouldn't be a bad start for changing relations.

Yes, the aspect of entering a, by and large, untouched world is fascinating, but we've seen the images, the videos, etc.

It's grown from an unbelievable failing of humane progress to a tourist attraction.

Those displays of children playing guitars, fancy tour guides and retro-era lifestyles are built on the backs of starving newborns, impoverished families and torture.

I don't care what I'm looking at: if the image is offered to me on the backs of the enslaved and broken, I won't have it.

NK reminds me, much like many other places in the world, at how many "we" allow to suffer and die after a lifetime of hardship and turmoil simply because it's too much effort, too much "risk", to change it.


We have reality shows like "LockUp" and an assortment of other television programs that turn the suffering of other human beings into a profitable entertainment venture. Best Korea gladly accepts our money so we can go on tours and be treated like shiat the entire time -- and we pay big money to bribe the Chinese and Best Koreans to go there since we don't have diplomatic relations with them. This 85 y/o was no different.

We have an entire political party who runs on campaigns centered around treating other human beings like garbage.

At the same time we have Barack Obama saying it's our moral obligation to go fark up Syria's shiat if they don't get rid of their chemical weapons. When I'm sitting here wondering how the hell America has the gall to tell anyone we have a moral authority to do anything when we have places like North Korea or Somalia around which is living proof of our failures to be able to police the world.

We don't mess with North Korea at all even though they're far more brutal to their own people than other countries we intervene in. Our moral compass has been spinning so long that I don't think anyone really notices or cares anymore. And that they haven't for a very long time.
 
2013-11-24 02:49:27 PM  

Weatherkiss: Testiclaw: insertsnarkyusername: Testiclaw: Yes, by all means give your tourism dollars to support a rogue nation that brutalizes the poor souls unlucky enough to be born there.

People should know better than to visit; history or tradition be damned.

I think it'd be an interesting visit simply because it seems like it'd be almost going back in time. I'd visit if they'd just stop detaining random people for random reasons. Doesn't seem worth the risk. You've got a point with supporting the regime, but having exposure to Americans and exposure to the money that can be made dealing nicely with us wouldn't be a bad start for changing relations.

Yes, the aspect of entering a, by and large, untouched world is fascinating, but we've seen the images, the videos, etc.

It's grown from an unbelievable failing of humane progress to a tourist attraction.

Those displays of children playing guitars, fancy tour guides and retro-era lifestyles are built on the backs of starving newborns, impoverished families and torture.

I don't care what I'm looking at: if the image is offered to me on the backs of the enslaved and broken, I won't have it.

NK reminds me, much like many other places in the world, at how many "we" allow to suffer and die after a lifetime of hardship and turmoil simply because it's too much effort, too much "risk", to change it.

We have reality shows like "LockUp" and an assortment of other television programs that turn the suffering of other human beings into a profitable entertainment venture. Best Korea gladly accepts our money so we can go on tours and be treated like shiat the entire time -- and we pay big money to bribe the Chinese and Best Koreans to go there since we don't have diplomatic relations with them. This 85 y/o was no different.

We have an entire political party who runs on campaigns centered around treating other human beings like garbage.

At the same time we have Barack Obama saying it's our moral obligation to go fark up Syria's shiat if they don't get rid of their chemical weapons. When I'm sitting here wondering how the hell America has the gall to tell anyone we have a moral authority to do anything when we have places like North Korea or Somalia around which is living proof of our failures to be able to police the world.

We don't mess with North Korea at all even though they're far more brutal to their own people than other countries we intervene in. Our moral compass has been spinning so long that I don't think anyone really notices or cares anymore. And that they haven't for a very long time.


All very sad, and very true.
 
2013-11-24 02:54:35 PM  

newsimg.bbc.co.uk


Why do they continue to exist?

If I ran for President of the United States, I'd campaign on obliterating North Korea 8 oclock, day one.
 
2013-11-24 02:58:52 PM  

StopLurkListen: If I ran for President of the United States, I'd campaign on obliterating North Korea 8 oclock, day one.


And by 8:30 the first chinese nuclear missiles would be falling on the US West Coast. Brilliant plan.
 
2013-11-24 02:58:59 PM  
North Koreau? Who wrote this?
 
2013-11-24 03:09:00 PM  

StopLurkListen: Why do they continue to exist?

If I ran for President of the United States, I'd campaign on obliterating North Korea 8 oclock, day one.


Syria has, on occasion, made incursions into surrounding nations. So did Iraq. In international gamesmanship, it's not enough that a dictator be a horrible person who brutalizes his subjects--he must also pose a threat to international safety and stability.

So far, except for empty rhetoric, Kim has not threatened anyone.
 
2013-11-24 03:15:43 PM  
Spy or moron?

I find I really don't care at this point.

Work to get him back, of course, but don't give away the farm or be in too much of a hurry.
 
2013-11-24 03:15:51 PM  

Weatherkiss: Testiclaw: insertsnarkyusername: Testiclaw: Yes, by all means give your tourism dollars to support a rogue nation that brutalizes the poor souls unlucky enough to be born there.

People should know better than to visit; history or tradition be damned.

I think it'd be an interesting visit simply because it seems like it'd be almost going back in time. I'd visit if they'd just stop detaining random people for random reasons. Doesn't seem worth the risk. You've got a point with supporting the regime, but having exposure to Americans and exposure to the money that can be made dealing nicely with us wouldn't be a bad start for changing relations.

Yes, the aspect of entering a, by and large, untouched world is fascinating, but we've seen the images, the videos, etc.

It's grown from an unbelievable failing of humane progress to a tourist attraction.

Those displays of children playing guitars, fancy tour guides and retro-era lifestyles are built on the backs of starving newborns, impoverished families and torture.

I don't care what I'm looking at: if the image is offered to me on the backs of the enslaved and broken, I won't have it.

NK reminds me, much like many other places in the world, at how many "we" allow to suffer and die after a lifetime of hardship and turmoil simply because it's too much effort, too much "risk", to change it.

We have reality shows like "LockUp" and an assortment of other television programs that turn the suffering of other human beings into a profitable entertainment venture. Best Korea gladly accepts our money so we can go on tours and be treated like shiat the entire time -- and we pay big money to bribe the Chinese and Best Koreans to go there since we don't have diplomatic relations with them. This 85 y/o was no different.

We have an entire political party who runs on campaigns centered around treating other human beings like garbage.

At the same time we have Barack Obama saying it's our moral obligation to go fark up Syria's shiat i ...


Never in the history of the entire world has a war been undertaken for moral reasons, and a war is what it would take to change North Korea. They have no resources anybody wants, they have nuclear weapons, and South Korea doesn't want to deal with the headache of 20+ million refugees pouring in from the north. Status quo is the name of the game until they collapse from within.
 
2013-11-24 03:18:30 PM  

hardinparamedic: StopLurkListen: If I ran for President of the United States, I'd campaign on obliterating North Korea 8 oclock, day one.

And by 8:30 the first chinese nuclear missiles would be falling on the US West Coast. Brilliant plan.


In general, any unilateral attack on North Korea by the U.S would be the equivalent of giving a giant middle finger and wiping our ass on the national flags of South Korea and Japan. Subjecting two of our largest economic and military allies to any retaliation and eventual regional destabilization without their expressed consent should go over just swell.
 
2013-11-24 03:33:00 PM  

Killer Cars: hardinparamedic: StopLurkListen: If I ran for President of the United States, I'd campaign on obliterating North Korea 8 oclock, day one.

And by 8:30 the first chinese nuclear missiles would be falling on the US West Coast. Brilliant plan.

In general, any unilateral attack on North Korea by the U.S would be the equivalent of giving a giant middle finger and wiping our ass on the national flags of South Korea and Japan. Subjecting two of our largest economic and military allies to any retaliation and eventual regional destabilization without their expressed consent should go over just swell.


Don't let facts and reality intrude on this dumbass's fantasy world where he gets to murder everyone he doesn't like!
 
2013-11-24 03:53:25 PM  
China won't retaliate if Best Korea gets attacked. They might be NK's closest ally, but they won't risk pissing off their customers. China is using soft power to get its way. The power of the dollar. There's no financial stake in defending North Korea. China has everything to lose and nothing to gain from intervening with military action. They'll just sit by and bark at the people attacking NK, but when the smoke clears they'll have to deal with the one-time headache of NK refugees instead of decades of future headaches -- and they'd still have their customers elsewhere.
 
2013-11-24 04:01:36 PM  
We don't invade North Korea because it would be a ridiculous waste of money and lives for absolutely no gain.

North Korea doesn't affect America at all except when they rattle their fake plastic sabres hoping someone from a real country notices.

Why would anyone WANT to invade them, anyway?
 
2013-11-24 04:05:02 PM  

Confabulat: We don't invade North Korea because it would be a ridiculous waste of money and lives for absolutely no gain.

North Korea doesn't affect America at all except when they rattle their fake plastic sabres hoping someone from a real country notices.

Why would anyone WANT to invade them, anyway?


To free a people from generations of systematic brainwashing, torture, and murder.
 
2013-11-24 04:16:05 PM  

JesusJuice: To free a people from generations of systematic brainwashing, torture, and murder.


Oh, right. So we're the world's policeman then. North Korea better get in line, cause there's some terrible stuff going on in Africa.
 
2013-11-24 04:18:00 PM  

JesusJuice: Confabulat: We don't invade North Korea because it would be a ridiculous waste of money and lives for absolutely no gain.

North Korea doesn't affect America at all except when they rattle their fake plastic sabres hoping someone from a real country notices.

Why would anyone WANT to invade them, anyway?

To free a people from generations of systematic brainwashing, torture, and murder.


And we'll be welcomed as liberators, right? Out of there in less than a month?

America....
-Guitar Riff-

AMERICA.....
-Guitar Riff, followed by highly intense music-

AMERICA...fark YEAH!
 
2013-11-24 04:19:17 PM  
The funny thing about this argument is North Korea has held up the USA as a constant threat to invade them. They've used us as boogeymen for generations.

It's sort of amusing to hear actual Americans live up to North Koreans' expectation of us.
 
2013-11-24 04:20:18 PM  

JesusJuice: Confabulat: We don't invade North Korea because it would be a ridiculous waste of money and lives for absolutely no gain.

North Korea doesn't affect America at all except when they rattle their fake plastic sabres hoping someone from a real country notices.

Why would anyone WANT to invade them, anyway?

To free a people from generations of systematic brainwashing, torture, and murder.


The cost in lives that would take wouldn't be remotely worth it.
 
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