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2013-11-24 09:09:23 AM
If you travel on the PA turnpike, please remain in the right hand lane unless you are doing at least 90 MPH.  And while doing 90 MPH, please move to the right when being overtaken by faster vehicles, like myself for instance.

Thank you for your cooperation.
 
2013-11-24 09:15:16 AM

Marcus Aurelius: If you travel on the PA turnpike, please remain in the right hand lane unless you are doing at least 90 MPH.  And while doing 90 MPH, please move to the right when being overtaken by faster vehicles, like myself for instance.

Thank you for your cooperation.


Yes, please!

/hates rolling roadblocks too
 
2013-11-24 09:48:40 AM
They'd might as well raise it to 300

The farking roads are in such poor condition, it's almost impossible to exceed 45 MPH without totaling your car.

Crossing over from NY to PA on I-84 is like driving into a 3rd world country.
 
2013-11-24 09:54:01 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: They'd might as well raise it to 300

The farking roads are in such poor condition, it's almost impossible to exceed 45 MPH without totaling your car.

Crossing over from NY to PA on I-84 is like driving into a 3rd world country.


And the sad thing is that they've been like this for decades upon decades.
 
2013-11-24 10:14:12 AM
Isn't Penn. selling all of their state roads to private equity for a one time cash pay-out?
 
2013-11-24 10:24:07 AM

NewportBarGuy: Isn't Penn. selling all of their state roads to private equity for a one time cash pay-out?


I think that plan kinda fizzled out.
 
2013-11-24 10:29:24 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: NewportBarGuy: Isn't Penn. selling all of their state roads to private equity for a one time cash pay-out?

I think that plan kinda fizzled out.


One would hope. It's an incredibly stupid long-term investment mistake. It's like those structured payout firms. "I want my money, and I want it NOW!"

Plus, all of the drivers would get raped into oblivion on tolls that would go up much like cable bills do.
 
2013-11-24 10:44:58 AM

BunkyBrewman: Eddie Adams from Torrance: They'd might as well raise it to 300

The farking roads are in such poor condition, it's almost impossible to exceed 45 MPH without totaling your car.

Crossing over from NY to PA on I-84 is like driving into a 3rd world country.

And the sad thing is that they've been like this for decades upon decades.


Yep, or at least as long as I've been alive.   It's about time PA raised the limit.  It's one of the things I hate about PA and dread when I visit family.  I usually try to bum a ride off of someone rather than drive myself.  I have no patience for old people I can't get around.  In this way, L.A. has spoiled me.
 
2013-11-24 10:55:39 AM

BunkyBrewman: And the sad thing is that they've been like this for decades upon decades.


Every truck coming from or going to New England and parts west travels I-84, I-81, or I-80 at some point.

That's a lot of trucks.
 
2013-11-24 11:12:13 AM

raerae1980: BunkyBrewman: Eddie Adams from Torrance: They'd might as well raise it to 300

The farking roads are in such poor condition, it's almost impossible to exceed 45 MPH without totaling your car.

Crossing over from NY to PA on I-84 is like driving into a 3rd world country.

And the sad thing is that they've been like this for decades upon decades.

Yep, or at least as long as I've been alive.   It's about time PA raised the limit.  It's one of the things I hate about PA and dread when I visit family.  I usually try to bum a ride off of someone rather than drive myself.  I have no patience for old people I can't get around.  In this way, L.A. has spoiled me.


The speed limit is 65 now. Has been for years. I'm all for raising it to 70, but is 5 MPH really that big of a deal?

Granted, in areas of higher "congestion" it is lowered to 55. There are also some areas that are 55 for no apparent reason whatsoever.

/I'm looking at you, I-70 from Breezewood to the Maryland border
 
2013-11-24 11:17:33 AM

Pavia_Resistance: raerae1980: BunkyBrewman: Eddie Adams from Torrance: They'd might as well raise it to 300

The farking roads are in such poor condition, it's almost impossible to exceed 45 MPH without totaling your car.

Crossing over from NY to PA on I-84 is like driving into a 3rd world country.

And the sad thing is that they've been like this for decades upon decades.

Yep, or at least as long as I've been alive.   It's about time PA raised the limit.  It's one of the things I hate about PA and dread when I visit family.  I usually try to bum a ride off of someone rather than drive myself.  I have no patience for old people I can't get around.  In this way, L.A. has spoiled me.

The speed limit is 65 now. Has been for years. I'm all for raising it to 70, but is 5 MPH really that big of a deal?

Granted, in areas of higher "congestion" it is lowered to 55. There are also some areas that are 55 for no apparent reason whatsoever.

/I'm looking at you, I-70 from Breezewood to the Maryland border


Odd, I was unaware it was raised that high.  I haven't been on the turnpike in a very long time, but on my last trip to Pgh this august I did not notice an increase in speed around the city, or on the parkways.   It was still 55, which is too damn slow.   It's 65 here on the L.A. freeways.
 
2013-11-24 11:23:18 AM

raerae1980: Pavia_Resistance: raerae1980: BunkyBrewman: Eddie Adams from Torrance: They'd might as well raise it to 300

The farking roads are in such poor condition, it's almost impossible to exceed 45 MPH without totaling your car.

Crossing over from NY to PA on I-84 is like driving into a 3rd world country.

And the sad thing is that they've been like this for decades upon decades.

Yep, or at least as long as I've been alive.   It's about time PA raised the limit.  It's one of the things I hate about PA and dread when I visit family.  I usually try to bum a ride off of someone rather than drive myself.  I have no patience for old people I can't get around.  In this way, L.A. has spoiled me.

The speed limit is 65 now. Has been for years. I'm all for raising it to 70, but is 5 MPH really that big of a deal?

Granted, in areas of higher "congestion" it is lowered to 55. There are also some areas that are 55 for no apparent reason whatsoever.

/I'm looking at you, I-70 from Breezewood to the Maryland border

Odd, I was unaware it was raised that high.  I haven't been on the turnpike in a very long time, but on my last trip to Pgh this august I did not notice an increase in speed around the city, or on the parkways.   It was still 55, which is too damn slow.   It's 65 here on the L.A. freeways.


Those are the areas of higher congestion that I mentioned above. It is lowered to 55 around cities, whether that city be Pittsburgh or Altoona. The state will probably not raise those, because  it is  Pennsylvania.
 
2013-11-24 11:25:56 AM

Marcus Aurelius: BunkyBrewman: And the sad thing is that they've been like this for decades upon decades.

Every truck coming from or going to New England and parts west travels I-84, I-81, or I-80 at some point.

That's a lot of trucks.


Those same trucks cross into NY on 84 and NJ on 80 - Neither of which resemble the lunar surface once you cross the state line.
 
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2013-11-24 11:47:29 AM
Pennsylvania has weird policies for speed. I remember somebody posting a letter from the DOT explaining that the speed limit couldn't be raised to 65 because lane drop taper markings would need to be longer. I guess paint is really expensive in Pennsylvania.

If you changed all the 55 zones to 70 and the 65 zones to 80 you would get close to reasonable. The way the law is written, freeways are 55 unless the speed limit is raised higher. (Same in New York and Connecticut.) In California freeways are 65 unless explicitly reduced, and since it takes work to reduce a limit Caltrans tends to leave them at 65. They also leave two lanes at 55 even if they could go up to 60 or 65 by state rules.

The Turnpike past Philadelphia went from 55 to 65 about six years ago. Still should be 80.
 
2013-11-24 12:23:48 PM
Still, there are parts of the turnpike (notably the big climb through the mountains) where it's sort of impossible to maintain 70 mph for too long what with all the switchback turns.
 
2013-11-24 12:45:28 PM
Can horses pull a buggy that fast?
 
2013-11-24 12:48:27 PM
Don't they know people's heads explode going more than 35mph?!!
 
2013-11-24 12:49:15 PM
I've driven all around the US and Canada (and some other countries), and I can say Pennsylvania has some of the worst freeways in the civilized world. And what does the speed limit matter anyway when there seem to be construction speed limits for most of the state whether or not there is any apparent construction happening.
 
2013-11-24 12:49:46 PM
Has anybody yet pointed out that everybody in Pennsylvania drives either 80 or 55 on the highways?
 
2013-11-24 12:50:06 PM
What happened to Pennsylvania? I thought it used to be a nice "northeastern" state. Now it seems like some southern/midwest backwater.
 
2013-11-24 12:52:38 PM
Texas laughs at your shenanigans.

i.usatoday.net
 
2013-11-24 12:52:42 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What happened to Pennsylvania? I thought it used to be a nice "northeastern" state. Now it seems like some southern/midwest backwater.


James Carville called it 'Philadelphia on one end, Pittsburgh on the other, and Alabama in between.'
 
2013-11-24 12:54:29 PM

WorldCitizen: I've driven all around the US and Canada (and some other countries), and I can say Pennsylvania has some of the worst freeways in the civilized world. And what does the speed limit matter anyway when there seem to be construction speed limits for most of the state whether or not there is any apparent construction happening.


PA interstates have always sucked ass for some reason.  I suspect that the politicians in Harrisburg were given control of some of the interstate highway money at that point, which would explain everything.
 
2013-11-24 12:55:37 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: They'd might as well raise it to 300

The farking roads are in such poor condition, it's almost impossible to exceed 45 MPH without totaling your car.

Crossing over from NY to PA on I-84 is like driving into a 3rd world country.


babump babump babump babump...
 
2013-11-24 12:57:02 PM
PennDot is the most corrupt organization outside of Chicago.
 
2013-11-24 12:57:43 PM

jaytkay: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What happened to Pennsylvania? I thought it used to be a nice "northeastern" state. Now it seems like some southern/midwest backwater.

James Carville called it 'Philadelphia on one end, Pittsburgh on the other, and Alabama in between.'


I've often heard "Pennsyltucky" is the common moniker for that middle area.
 
2013-11-24 12:58:40 PM
Speed limits are pretty much optional on any interstate in PA anyway. Compared to NY, the roads are barely patrolled, and the highway patrol uses antiquated radar that can be picked up from (literally) a mile away with a valentine 1

/just drove to myrtle beach from upstate NY and back, averaged between 80 - 90 mph in all states except NY and VA
//speeding is bad, kids, don't do it.
///no tickets
 
2013-11-24 12:58:47 PM
Now if we could just work on our moronic alcohol laws.
 
2013-11-24 01:06:56 PM
Most PA drivers will now increase their speeds to 65 MPH.
 
2013-11-24 01:07:11 PM

DiamondDave: Now if we could just work on our moronic alcohol laws.


This!
 
2013-11-24 01:08:10 PM
I just set the cruise to 8 over and be done with it. In a 65 that's 73, I get there soon enough..
I wonder why someone hasn't invented a cruise that tied into gps and adjusted the speed automatically... Lawyers I guess
 
2013-11-24 01:18:02 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: They'd might as well raise it to 300

The farking roads are in such poor condition, it's almost impossible to exceed 45 MPH without totaling your car.

Crossing over from NY to PA on I-84 is like driving into a 3rd world country.


What's really fun is 80/380 between Hazleton/Wilkesbarre. Makes 84 seem not so bad.
 
2013-11-24 01:21:57 PM

dforkus: I wonder why someone hasn't invented a cruise that tied into gps and adjusted the speed automatically


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2013-11-24 01:25:21 PM
That will certainly help me as I'm stuck behind a semi doing 44 passing a semi doing 43.7 on Interstate 81 around Harrisburg all day every day for a million forevers.
 
2013-11-24 01:26:41 PM

dforkus: I just set the cruise to 8 over and be done with it. In a 65 that's 73, I get there soon enough..
I wonder why someone hasn't invented a cruise that tied into gps and adjusted the speed automatically... Lawyers I guess


Interesting idea, but probably not viable.  Compatibility issues would be a common problem, with an the different models of cars and GPSes needing to communicate.  More worrying, though, is the kinds of crashes it would cause to have a computer automatically making changes mid-drive.  Maybe you're in the middle of a lane change, with plenty of room, when your GPS detects a speed limit change and drops you down about 20 mph.  Maybe you're tailgating a guy without realizing it, when the speed limit goes up 10 miles, and the guy in front of you doesn't change his speed.  What happens if your GPS loses its signal, or thinks you're on the freeway parallel to the 35 mph road you're on?  Too many potential points of farkup, and a lawsuit nightmare.
 
2013-11-24 01:29:12 PM
NASCAR has nothing on the I-95 between Richmond, Va. and Washington, DC.
If you are doing 70, best be in the right lane or you will be slowing up traffic.
 
2013-11-24 01:30:24 PM

Last Man on Earth: dforkus: I just set the cruise to 8 over and be done with it. In a 65 that's 73, I get there soon enough..
I wonder why someone hasn't invented a cruise that tied into gps and adjusted the speed automatically... Lawyers I guess

Interesting idea, but probably not viable.  Compatibility issues would be a common problem, with an the different models of cars and GPSes needing to communicate.  More worrying, though, is the kinds of crashes it would cause to have a computer automatically making changes mid-drive.  Maybe you're in the middle of a lane change, with plenty of room, when your GPS detects a speed limit change and drops you down about 20 mph.  Maybe you're tailgating a guy without realizing it, when the speed limit goes up 10 miles, and the guy in front of you doesn't change his speed.  What happens if your GPS loses its signal, or thinks you're on the freeway parallel to the 35 mph road you're on?  Too many potential points of farkup, and a lawsuit nightmare.


You do realize that you're not supposed to turn cruise control on and then take a nap, right? And that you still have control over your vehicle? And that people tend not to use cruise on 35mph roads?
 
2013-11-24 01:33:24 PM
And the only price Corbett will make us pay is an extra 28 cents per gallon in gas tax!
 
2013-11-24 01:35:45 PM

Ablejack: jaytkay: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What happened to Pennsylvania? I thought it used to be a nice "northeastern" state. Now it seems like some southern/midwest backwater.

James Carville called it 'Philadelphia on one end, Pittsburgh on the other, and Alabama in between.'

I've often heard "Pennsyltucky" is the common moniker for that middle area.


And it's painfully accurate.  They are the most worthless, helpless, hopeless, pathetic people in the nation.  I'm convinced that something way, way worse happened at Three Mile Island back in the day than what we were told.  They just don't work.  I don't mean that they don't have jobs.  I mean that they are just broken people.  They're farked beyond all repair.  Seriously.  If you give a central Pennsylvanian a stick of gum, there's a solid chance that they might kill themselves with it.  They don't blink.  They don't farking blink!  Just dead, empty eyes, never focused on whatever is in front of them.  They're mystified by doors.  No joke.  It's an ordeal for them to use a god damn door.  They jitter as they approach it and slow down.  It's like watching an NFL running back squirm around trying to find a hole in a solid defensive line.  Sometimes they just stop altogether and stand in it for awhile.  Then they'll just sort of snap back to this planet, like someone hit ALT-CTRL-DEL on a person.  They can't handle it.  They get really, really uncomfortable if they're not saying things.  I mean really uncomfortable.  And not relevant things either.  They just need to say words.  And it doesn't matter if they know you.  They need to recite words they know to someone else at all times.  And I mean 'need' as in the same as you and I need oxygen.  Sometimes, it's just a string of nouns with no discernible purpose.  "Bookshelf! [insert uncomfortable pause] red bike...CATFISH...gravy and beans!"  And off on their way they go.  Did I also mention THEY DON'T FARKING BLINK!  The zombie apocalypse is off to a fine start here.  The area's only redeeming quality is that a lot of people aren't from the area so there are some good people.  But if you have to deal with one of the natives....Ho-lee shiat!
 
2013-11-24 01:35:59 PM
Is it under a rock or possibly a different planet those "officials" come from?
Apparently they do not get out much.

I am not saying "Aliens", but,,,
 
2013-11-24 01:36:42 PM
What are 21st century speeds like?
 
2013-11-24 01:38:26 PM
Does this really matter when every road is perpetually "under construction" so the speed is lowered to 45-55 anyways?
 
2013-11-24 01:40:21 PM

dryknife: What are 21st century speeds like?


Well, last century, "going like 60" was terrible fast.
And it was, no pavement, no brakes, no belts/bags, tires made of rubber bands and cars that cornered like a buckboard wagon.
 
2013-11-24 01:40:42 PM

Last Man on Earth: dforkus: I just set the cruise to 8 over and be done with it. In a 65 that's 73, I get there soon enough..
I wonder why someone hasn't invented a cruise that tied into gps and adjusted the speed automatically... Lawyers I guess

Interesting idea, but probably not viable.  Compatibility issues would be a common problem, with an the different models of cars and GPSes needing to communicate.  More worrying, though, is the kinds of crashes it would cause to have a computer automatically making changes mid-drive.  Maybe you're in the middle of a lane change, with plenty of room, when your GPS detects a speed limit change and drops you down about 20 mph.  Maybe you're tailgating a guy without realizing it, when the speed limit goes up 10 miles, and the guy in front of you doesn't change his speed.  What happens if your GPS loses its signal, or thinks you're on the freeway parallel to the 35 mph road you're on?  Too many potential points of farkup, and a lawsuit nightmare.


On Top Gear a few years ago, they tested a car in Japan that had a satellite-linked limiter that capped the car's speed out on public roads, but shut off when it detected the car was at a test track. So the tech is being researched.
 
2013-11-24 01:41:31 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: Does this really matter when every road is perpetually "under construction" so the speed is lowered to 45-55 anyways?


Oh, you mean where fines(tax) double and there are two guys working on 10 miles of bad road?
 
2013-11-24 01:42:34 PM
Living along the southern border of NY, I had to do quite a bit of driving in PA back in the mid-80s to early-90s. The roads were horribly maintained...
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Eddie Adams from Torrance: They'd might as well raise it to 300

The farking roads are in such poor condition, it's almost impossible to exceed 45 MPH without totaling your car.

Crossing over from NY to PA on I-84 is like driving into a 3rd world country.

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....and poorly signed. I don't get lost while driving, but when I do get lost it is in PA.

I imagine Pennsylvania must cost Garmin millions in attempting to keep those maps accurate
 
2013-11-24 01:42:59 PM

Last Man on Earth: dforkus: I just set the cruise to 8 over and be done with it. In a 65 that's 73, I get there soon enough..
I wonder why someone hasn't invented a cruise that tied into gps and adjusted the speed automatically... Lawyers I guess

Interesting idea, but probably not viable.  Compatibility issues would be a common problem, with an the different models of cars and GPSes needing to communicate.  More worrying, though, is the kinds of crashes it would cause to have a computer automatically making changes mid-drive.  Maybe you're in the middle of a lane change, with plenty of room, when your GPS detects a speed limit change and drops you down about 20 mph.  Maybe you're tailgating a guy without realizing it, when the speed limit goes up 10 miles, and the guy in front of you doesn't change his speed.  What happens if your GPS loses its signal, or thinks you're on the freeway parallel to the 35 mph road you're on?  Too many potential points of farkup, and a lawsuit nightmare.


Not to worry, BMW has you covered and can look for all those and thousands more 50 times a second.
You pathetic human.
 
2013-11-24 01:44:25 PM
The US allowed 65 MPH in 1987, but PA had to wait until the next governor in 1995 to finally allow it. We're a little slow that way.
 
2013-11-24 01:45:52 PM

snocone: Bareefer Obonghit: Does this really matter when every road is perpetually "under construction" so the speed is lowered to 45-55 anyways?

Oh, you mean where fines(tax) double and there are two guys working on 10 miles of bad road?


My daughter was born last week; I fully expect that I'll be able to teach her highway construction driving around Lansdale in sixteen years, still.
 
2013-11-24 01:48:10 PM

snocone: Is it under a rock or possibly a different planet those "officials" come from?
Apparently they do not get out much.

I am not saying "Aliens", but,,,


i595.photobucket.com
 
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