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(Salon)   "The internet didn't change sex," claims woman who hasn't been paying attention   (salon.com) divider line 68
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2013-11-24 08:27:33 AM  
....? Am I missing something? The Internet did not change sex per se, it merely allowed a more convenient method of transmitting graphical sex depictions.

If you're looking for somebody who changed sex, check out the Marquis de Sade.
 
2013-11-24 08:33:14 AM  

casual disregard: ....? Am I missing something? The Internet did not change sex per se, it merely allowed a more convenient method of transmitting graphical sex depictions.

If you're looking for somebody who changed sex, check out the Marquis de Sade.


S&M was prevalent all the way back to the Egyptians. Humans have always been perverted.
 
2013-11-24 08:41:08 AM  
Yeah, the internet didn't change communication either. People could mail each other letters and pictures 100 years ago.
 
2013-11-24 08:42:09 AM  

LoneWolf343: casual disregard: ....? Am I missing something? The Internet did not change sex per se, it merely allowed a more convenient method of transmitting graphical sex depictions.

If you're looking for somebody who changed sex, check out the Marquis de Sade.

S&M was prevalent all the way back to the Egyptians. Humans have always been perverted.


True. Perhaps I should have typed "somebody who changed the depiction of sex." We've been rutting like mutts for millenia, of course.

I think the captivating thing about the Marquis de Sade is his focus on violence and depravity. It is helped that his "works" remain to this day. Maybe the Romans were just as bad? Maybe the Indus Valley civilization had its hedonists? I'm at a loss for the idea of a record of anything as deeply anti-humanist as his writings. What did he hate so much?
 
2013-11-24 08:42:10 AM  
Yep. People still sove a wang in a vagina and lacking that ability, substitute the penis and vagina.
 
2013-11-24 08:47:44 AM  
I had no idea the internet had a gender?
 
2013-11-24 09:10:42 AM  
Change the act(s) of sex, per se? No. Change people's perceptions, expectations, etc?  Absolutely.
 
2013-11-24 09:11:17 AM  
Subby, for some reason, I just love your headline. Quick and to the point. Kudos!
 
2013-11-24 09:13:54 AM  

hovsm: I had no idea the internet had a gender?


Well, it actually doesn't. But you know how everybody jokes that every woman on the internet is really a man? We're really........most of us are women. About 85%. You don't need to know why--short answer, men can't handle the truth.
 
2013-11-24 09:15:04 AM  
Homosexuality is a Learned Behaviour. The instinct for sex involves thrusting and groping and kissing and so forth. If you get horny at the sight of a naked man, or if you get horny at the sight of a naked woman, it is only because you have been taught to make that association.

Bushmen don't have any more interest in female breasts than they do in elbows. The Western fascination with breasts is not instinctive. Certain deviants find stinky feet to be objects of desire. There is very little 'hard-wiring' involved in sexual attraction. You grope and fondle and kiss with whatever you've been taught to be appropriate.

In Imperial China, foot-binding was used to produce the 'lotus foot'. In bowdlerised accounts, Westerners are told that it caused a woman to be housebound and dependent upon her husband. Actually, the 'lotus foot' was used for both manual (pedal?) masturbation of the man, and also as a plug to stimulate a man's anus when the woman wrapped her legs around him during sexual intercourse.
 
2013-11-24 09:22:17 AM  
The internet has made Rule 34 possible. Any kink has it's website, whether it's legal or not.
 
2013-11-24 09:27:17 AM  
I think the unlikely tag is spot on. The internet has demystified sex for many people and made it much easier for those with interest in fetishes, casual hookups and alternate forms of sexuality to communicate openly and freely. Because of the internet, we have furries, we have access to free and nearly unlimited porn, and we know rule 34 to be true. We have people like Kim Kardashian getting famous because of viral sex tapes.

Before, you had to live in a city to have access to open sexuality. The internet has, for better or worse, made it available to everyone.
 
2013-11-24 09:27:33 AM  

casual disregard: ....? Am I missing something? The Internet did not change sex per se, it merely allowed a more convenient method of transmitting graphical sex depictions.

If you're looking for somebody who changed sex, check out the Marquis de Sade.


Or Tiresias.
 
2013-11-24 09:27:57 AM  

cryinoutloud: men can't handle the truth.


Men can't handle the lies either.

/bi
//poly
///is with others who can admit to being the same.
 
2013-11-24 09:31:30 AM  

wildcardjack: Any kink has it's website


I get aroused when someone uses an apostrophe when they shouldn't. It's all naughty and stuff.
 
2013-11-24 09:31:51 AM  
Good read. Good headline.


letrole: If you get horny at the sight of a naked man, or if you get horny at the sight of a naked woman, it is only because you have been taught to make that association.


We didn't all go to your high school...
 
2013-11-24 09:40:48 AM  

uttertosh: cryinoutloud: men can't handle the truth.
Men can't handle the lies either.
/bi
//poly
///is with others who can admit to being the same.


Lies about what? Are you saying that you bed people who lie about their sex? Because I've kind of never had that problem. Maybe it's the crowd you run with.

It was a joke anyway.

stream1.gifsoup.com
 
2013-11-24 09:46:33 AM  
Truly a noble adversary in the War on Women.
 
2013-11-24 09:50:08 AM  

letrole: There is very little 'hard-wiring' involved in sexual attraction. You grope and fondle and kiss with whatever you've been taught to be appropriate.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-24 10:09:52 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: wildcardjack: Any kink has it's website

I get aroused when someone uses an apostrophe when they shouldn't. It's all naughty and stuff.


coffee, keyboard, you know the drill
 
2013-11-24 10:11:03 AM  
It didn't change sex, it just made it a lot more convenient to purchase.
 
2013-11-24 10:18:21 AM  
We get it, you liked the donkey punch before it was cool. Tell us your thoughts on the tee vee.
 
2013-11-24 10:24:56 AM  
img.timeinc.net
 
2013-11-24 10:30:17 AM  
No, the internet didn't change sex.  It DID de-mystify it.  Here's hoping the human race can finally begin to focus it's attention on matters of real import, but probably not.
 
2013-11-24 10:41:53 AM  
Wow, I'm impressed no on took the obvious trollbait. And somewhat frightened.
 
2013-11-24 10:49:38 AM  

casual disregard: I think the captivating thing about the Marquis de Sade is his focus on violence and depravity. It is helped that his "works" remain to this day. Maybe the Romans were just as bad? Maybe the Indus Valley civilization had its hedonists? I'm at a loss for the idea of a record of anything as deeply anti-humanist as his writings. What did he hate so much?


His mother-in-law. Really, find one of the books that collects his letters in addition to his 'literary' works; the letters to his MIL start at very MILF and continue on to . . . well, the rest of his writing. Though, since she may have been a large part of the reason he was imprisoned, he may have had some other reason for disliking her other than the obvious.
 
2013-11-24 11:06:49 AM  
I always enjoy feminists writing about sex, because invariably their writing says more about themselves than its intended subject matter.

What the Internet can show you is what there is a market for. There definitely a market for feet. There will always be a market for feet. There will always be a market for leather and I leave it to others to go more deeply into what that is expressing, but certain things just recur for forever in our sexuality. Bondage and domination will always be with us, and that one's a little more obvious to me why so many people have those fantasies.

Into foot fetishism, check.  Not so much into leather, okay.  Definitely into B&D.  So...how YOU doing?
 
2013-11-24 11:19:24 AM  
No, Gorgor did.
 
2013-11-24 11:21:36 AM  

secularsage: I think the unlikely tag is spot on. The internet has demystified sex for many people and made it much easier for those with interest in fetishes, casual hookups and alternate forms of sexuality to communicate openly and freely. Because of the internet, we have furries, we have access to free and nearly unlimited porn, and we know rule 34 to be true. We have people like Kim Kardashian getting famous because of viral sex tapes.

Before, you had to live in a city to have access to open sexuality. The internet has, for better or worse, made it available to everyone.


Before, you had to be hip before the guys at the barber shop would show you a Tijuana bible
 
2013-11-24 11:24:25 AM  
2013-11-24 08:42:10 AM
Yep. People still sove a wang in a vagina and lacking that ability, substitute the penis and vagina.



WTF?
 
2013-11-24 11:31:48 AM  
Do a study,

Before and after the internet.
How many men strive to get in the backdoor.

Answer, the internet changed sex.
 
2013-11-24 11:37:08 AM  
I haven't bought a adult magazine in twenty years, lol
 
2013-11-24 11:37:26 AM  

cryinoutloud: uttertosh: cryinoutloud: men can't handle the truth.
Men can't handle the lies either.
/bi
//poly
///is with others who can admit to being the same.

Lies about what? Are you saying that you bed people who lie about their sex? Because I've kind of never had that problem. Maybe it's the crowd you run with.

It was a joke anyway.

[stream1.gifsoup.com image 320x180]


Look, a self-hating femi pudgy pudding wallah comparing herself with a famous cinematic hardass combat Marine; how applicable.
 
2013-11-24 11:40:59 AM  
The internet is a tranny now?
 
2013-11-24 11:50:11 AM  
I change my sex on the internet all the time.
 
2013-11-24 11:57:57 AM  

casual disregard: LoneWolf343: casual disregard: ....? Am I missing something? The Internet did not change sex per se, it merely allowed a more convenient method of transmitting graphical sex depictions.

If you're looking for somebody who changed sex, check out the Marquis de Sade.

S&M was prevalent all the way back to the Egyptians. Humans have always been perverted.

True. Perhaps I should have typed "somebody who changed the depiction of sex." We've been rutting like mutts for millenia, of course.

I think the captivating thing about the Marquis de Sade is his focus on violence and depravity. It is helped that his "works" remain to this day. Maybe the Romans were just as bad? Maybe the Indus Valley civilization had its hedonists? I'm at a loss for the idea of a record of anything as deeply anti-humanist as his writings. What did he hate so much?


Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.

23 And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.

24 Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.

25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.

26 Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light.

27 And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and, behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold.

28 And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place.

29 And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.
Judges 19
 
2013-11-24 12:01:10 PM  
Didn't they just make a documentary about internet porn and its promotion of unrealistic sexual expectations?

www.studiosystemnews.com
 
2013-11-24 12:01:39 PM  

Ghastly: I change my sex on the internet all the time.


Hmm, this might sound odd, but would you consider drawing a comic of the Marquis de Sade's personal hell? I can't even conceive of what that would be. Which is precisely why I think you're up to it.

/why do we all look like hot biatches, indeed
 
2013-11-24 12:14:09 PM  
It at least allows me to try to get sex from the privacy of my own home while alt tabbing a game and drinking a beer. It may not have changed the actual sex acts but it changed finding someone to have sex with and the means of communication initially. Plus I didn't get sent naked pictures before the internet. Granted I was born in 1983 so.....
 
2013-11-24 12:15:14 PM  

BolshyGreatYarblocks: Look, a self-hating femi pudgy pudding wallah comparing herself with a famous cinematic hardass combat Marine; how applicable.


Ah yes, I see why I have on ignore. Another good decision for me. Nothing for you.
 
2013-11-24 12:35:06 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: casual disregard: LoneWolf343: casual disregard: ....? Am I missing something? The Internet did not change sex per se, it merely allowed a more convenient method of transmitting graphical sex depictions.

If you're looking for somebody who changed sex, check out the Marquis de Sade.

S&M was prevalent all the way back to the Egyptians. Humans have always been perverted.

True. Perhaps I should have typed "somebody who changed the depiction of sex." We've been rutting like mutts for millenia, of course.

I think the captivating thing about the Marquis de Sade is his focus on violence and depravity. It is helped that his "works" remain to this day. Maybe the Romans were just as bad? Maybe the Indus Valley civilization had its hedonists? I'm at a loss for the idea of a record of anything as deeply anti-humanist as his writings. What did he hate so much?

Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.

23 And the man, the master of the house, went out unto them, and said unto them, Nay, my brethren, nay, I pray you, do not so wickedly; seeing that this man is come into mine house, do not this folly.

24 Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing.

25 But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go.

26 Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man's house where her lord was, till it was light.

27 And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way ...


I'm tripping balls and what is this.

You just blew my mind.
 
2013-11-24 12:43:54 PM  

casual disregard: Ghastly: I change my sex on the internet all the time.

Hmm, this might sound odd, but would you consider drawing a comic of the Marquis de Sade's personal hell? I can't even conceive of what that would be. Which is precisely why I think you're up to it.

/why do we all look like hot biatches, indeed


Probably be a world where everything is made out of Nerf.
 
2013-11-24 12:49:34 PM  

Ghastly: casual disregard: Ghastly: I change my sex on the internet all the time.

Hmm, this might sound odd, but would you consider drawing a comic of the Marquis de Sade's personal hell? I can't even conceive of what that would be. Which is precisely why I think you're up to it.

/why do we all look like hot biatches, indeed

Probably be a world where everything is made out of Nerf.


I guess that makes some level of sense. Just tell me there's a panty-snake somewhere in there.
 
2013-11-24 12:56:48 PM  
The internet fundamentally changed the nature of our brains regarding porn.

It used to be that naked ladies were hard to find. You had to buy a magazine, or find one under the bridge, or have a friend with a cool younger brother.

With the advent of the internet, this is no longer true.

I heard a comedian describe "porn brain" perfectly.   Porn on the internet is like walking into a hotel hallway, and all the room doors are open. Inside every single room, is people having sex in various ways. Every fetish imaginable. Porn on the internet is like running up and down that hotel hallway, looking into a room, jerking off, then running off to the next room to jerk off to that, and so on and so forth.

The human brain was not designed to deal with that much porn.

Don't get porn brain.
 
2013-11-24 01:10:22 PM  
Well, It does seem that the women I've had sex with before the internet were younger than they are now. So there's that.
 
2013-11-24 01:10:31 PM  

Lesbian-Jesus: Do a study,

Before and after the internet.
How many men strive to get in the backdoor.

Answer, the internet changed sex.


Ah, but "wanting to" and "striving to" are different things.  It may have changed sex, but mostly it's because it's made people more willing to act on urges that are already there.  I suppose there are some cases where a person sees something new and wants to try it out, but if the desire for something new and different wasn't already there to some extent or another, they wouldn't have the urge to try it out.  If pissing is a turn-off, forcing yourself to watch WS porn won't magically make it appeal to you.
 
2013-11-24 01:26:44 PM  

duckpoopy: Yeah, the internet didn't change communication either. People could mail each other letters and pictures 100 years ago.


What a ridiculous comparison.
 
2013-11-24 01:42:17 PM  

fluffy2097: The internet fundamentally changed the nature of our brains regarding porn.

It used to be that naked ladies were hard to find. You had to buy a magazine, or find one under the bridge, or have a friend with a cool younger brother.

With the advent of the internet, this is no longer true.

I heard a comedian describe "porn brain" perfectly.   Porn on the internet is like walking into a hotel hallway, and all the room doors are open. Inside every single room, is people having sex in various ways. Every fetish imaginable. Porn on the internet is like running up and down that hotel hallway, looking into a room, jerking off, then running off to the next room to jerk off to that, and so on and so forth.

The human brain was not designed to deal with that much porn.

Don't get porn brain.


Or was it?  Don't you think that there was a point in human history (or prehistory) where people had sex out "in public" and whatnot?  In such an environment, humans would grow up exposed to all kinds of sex acts.
 
2013-11-24 01:54:40 PM  

casual disregard: Just tell me there's a panty-snake somewhere in there.


I first read this as "party-snake".

Far back in the early 1980s, the Internet was probably mostly neuter since connecting to it and running stuff on it was expensive. So it was more like a small town where everyone knew everyone else's business, and any torrid affairs were happening under deep cover.

Now, the Internet has orifices and protrusions in endless variety; you can probably find your personal kink and people who share it with a few searches. Or if it doesn't exist yet, Rule 34 will create it in short order. From its sciency beginnings, the Net has sort of evolved into an omnipresent analogue or mashup of Ishtar/Bast/Ammon/Loki, with more tentacles. (I guess this says a lot about what the Net's users find important. Personifying the Internet is probably not what the original article meant, either, but just roll with it....)
 
2013-11-24 02:07:14 PM  

danceswithcrows: the Internet has orifices and protrusions in endless variety


ogod pls pls Ghastly show us the orifices and protusions D:
 
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