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(Village Voice)   Ten jazz albums to hear before you die. Subby mostly agrees but will pass on Biatches Brew   (blogs.villagevoice.com) divider line 109
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2013-11-24 08:18:14 AM
Well I think we know Wynton Marsalis is a Farker now, right Submitter?

/Time for Miles to run the Voodoo down on yo' ass.
 
2013-11-24 08:24:49 AM
Looks over list....yes, I own them all, and yes, from a bucket list perspective, I would agree.

upload.wikimedia.org

But you'd have to make room for Keith Jarrett too. Probably the Bremen/Lausanne records.
 
2013-11-24 09:10:20 AM
Good Iconic list.  Surprised that Charlie Parker did not make the list.
 
2013-11-24 09:26:33 AM
The first time I listened to "Biatches Brew" (I'm intentionally spelling it the way that it would be filtered so it stays capitalized), it did sound like sort of a cacophonous mess.    I went back and tried again later and was just amazed.

I'd still probably pick "In a Silent Way" over it, though.
 
2013-11-24 09:42:35 AM
Lol filterpwned in headline
 
2013-11-24 09:45:13 AM
No:

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= List Fail, obviously.
 
2013-11-24 09:51:20 AM

FeedTheCollapse: No:

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= List Fail, obviously.


That's funny. You are joking right? RIGHT?
 
2013-11-24 09:52:01 AM
My fave!
media.jukebo.com
 
2013-11-24 09:54:40 AM
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2013-11-24 10:04:29 AM
Four pages for a ten-item list?
 
2013-11-24 10:06:09 AM
I managed to find a copy of Headhunters on vinyl at Goodwill a few weeks ago. Not bad for a dollar.
 
2013-11-24 10:11:32 AM
This is all good stuff, but I've been looking to expand into the pre-war stuff lately and this list doesn't do much for me in that regard. Anybody have any suggestions?
 
2013-11-24 10:14:08 AM
I concur. Most excellent list. I have most of those, and the ones I don't have I have songs from them that we're in compilation albums. I highly agree with numbers 2 and 1.
And subby, if you will agree on Hancock's Headhunters, but not Biatches Brew... Then you don't know jazz.
 
2013-11-24 10:14:24 AM
Random question, I'm bored and it's (ok, not) semi related. Anyone know where I can listen to some harmonica that isn't 'folk' but is more 'pop' and/or high spagetti western style? The new Kesha song made me remember I always wanted to try it.

/just not in to jazz
//Tried morphine, it was ok, bit heavy for me unless it's raining and I've got a chick
 
2013-11-24 10:16:48 AM
I have all those, but it's A Love Supreme for the win
 
2013-11-24 10:18:15 AM
Jazz is a big genre with many eras so a list like this is a bit tricky.  And also why I say it fails without Dizzy.
 
2013-11-24 10:24:02 AM

kroonermanblack: Anyone know where I can listen to some harmonica that isn't 'folk


http://www.modernbluesharmonica.com/blues_harp_gods.html (sfw)
 
2013-11-24 10:29:23 AM
www.silverdisc.com
 
2013-11-24 10:30:20 AM
You could have easily tossed out The Shape of Jazz to Come for this:


revivalist.okayplayer.com

...you jive-ass turkeys.
 
2013-11-24 10:31:47 AM

Hoopy Frood: Four pages for a ten-item list?


Seriously, what is this, Minimalism list
 
2013-11-24 10:32:31 AM

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: This is all good stuff, but I've been looking to expand into the pre-war stuff lately and this list doesn't do much for me in that regard. Anybody have any suggestions?


I say something from Duke Ellington around 1940. And apparently others agree.
Amazon: Duke Ellington 1940 (1 CD) 5 used from $65.35

Here's reasonable:
The Essential Duke Ellington

And earlier stuff 1927-1930. It still amazes me how sophisticated jazz was in the 20s.
The Okeh Ellington
 
2013-11-24 10:33:46 AM
Who wants to listen to somebody play a series of mistakes for 45 mminutes?
 
2013-11-24 10:34:59 AM

MFAWG: Who wants to listen to somebody play a series of mistakes for 45 mminutes?


Jets fans with only a radio.
 
2013-11-24 10:36:24 AM
Missing?www.chartattack.com
 
2013-11-24 10:39:47 AM
Good list, but Miles Davis didn't need 2 places on it.
 
2013-11-24 10:40:08 AM
This is a list of ten Blue Note/west coast jazz albums. Not that there's anything wrong with west coast, but no Diz or Bird? No Duke or Benny Goodman? No Chick Corea or Michael Brecker? John Scofield, Pat Metheny? Brad Mehldau. Keith Jarrett? Weather Report? Author needs to branch out.

Also, if we're in-period, there is a serious omission of Bill Evans, Art Blakey, and Oscar Peterson (Sound of the Trio is one of the most fantstic albums of all time).
 
2013-11-24 10:40:19 AM

thamike: You could have easily tossed out The Shape of Jazz to Come for this:


No, you couldn't. Harmolodics is vastly different from the Stockahausen influence on On The Corner. Plus, you can't jack up the entire list with Miles Davis, as much as I'd like to.
 
2013-11-24 10:42:50 AM

JasonOfOrillia: Jazz is a big genre with many eras so a list like this is a bit tricky.  And also why I say it fails without Dizzy.


Yeah, I don't think anyone couldn't make a top ten list of jazz albums---a bucket list is different though. Any top ten list wouldn't make sense without Dizzy G or Art Blakey.
 
2013-11-24 10:44:34 AM
 
2013-11-24 10:54:25 AM

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: This is all good stuff, but I've been looking to expand into the pre-war stuff lately and this list doesn't do much for me in that regard. Anybody have any suggestions?


There is so much good stuff there that its really hard to make specific album suggestions. Better to get a feel for artists first than albums, I think.

upload.wikimedia.org

 If you are really serious about this, I recommend getting a copy of or checking out from your local library The Smithsonian Collection of Classic Jazz. Its much better on the earlier stuff than the later stuff. Jelly Roll Morton, Sidney Bechet, Coleman Hawkins. It doesn't include Bix Beiderbecke, but should. Of course there is the 2011 Smithsonian anthology as well. Its much better on the contemporary and Latin scene.
 
2013-11-24 10:55:51 AM

deadsanta: Good list, but Miles Davis didn't need 2 places on it.


Miles flipped the Jazz world on its head 4 times, and these are two of those documents.

/ don't care for Biatches Brew myself, but agree it deserves to be here.
 
2013-11-24 10:56:08 AM

Somacandra: thamike: You could have easily tossed out The Shape of Jazz to Come for this:

No, you couldn't. Harmolodics is vastly different from the Stockahausen influence on On The Corner. Plus, you can't jack up the entire list with Miles Davis, as much as I'd like to.


I'm not a jazz aficionado, so I'm basing my choices on awesomeness alone.

3.bp.blogspot.com

This is Davis' response to "you can't just jack up the list with Miles Davis."
 
2013-11-24 10:56:52 AM
I'm a blues man.
 
2013-11-24 11:03:31 AM

MFAWG: Who wants to listen to somebody play a series of mistakes for 45 mminutes?


mattesperanza.files.wordpress.com

"Never mind what those jigaboos and hopheads think.
The Circle of Fifths in an orgiastic death cult, and is
not at all related to music theory.  Now practice your scales."
 
2013-11-24 11:08:52 AM

thamike: MFAWG: Who wants to listen to somebody play a series of mistakes for 45 mminutes?

[mattesperanza.files.wordpress.com image 325x216]

"Never mind what those jigaboos and hopheads think.
The Circle of Fifths in an orgiastic death cult, and is
not at all related to music theory.  Now practice your scales."


Hah... Hahaha. That one made my head hurt.
 
2013-11-24 11:10:39 AM
thamike:  I'm not a jazz aficionado, so I'm basing my choices on awesomeness alone. This is Davis' response to "you can't just jack up the list with Miles Davis."

I own TONS of Miles Davis:  biatches Brew, Birth of the Cool, Dark Magus, Kind of Blue, On The Corner, Round About Midnight, In A Silent Way, etc.....

I love Miles. Yes, he's a titan, perhaps THE titan in a world of titans. But a bucket list of jazz albums can't just be Miles Davis. Its the perennial problem in all jazz compilations.
 
2013-11-24 11:11:21 AM

Marquis de Sod: I have all those, but it's A Love Supreme for the win


Also missing from the list:

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It's too bad the sounds of people talking, glasses clinking and silverware being used cannot be removed from the recording.  Didn't those people know that one of the deities of Jazz was playing the piano?
 
2013-11-24 11:12:15 AM

Rann Xerox: Also missing from the list:


Oo-tah. Hard to argue with that one.
 
2013-11-24 11:16:24 AM

Charlie Freak: This is a list of ten Blue Note/west coast jazz albums. Not that there's anything wrong with west coast, but no Diz or Bird? No Duke or Benny Goodman? No Chick Corea or Michael Brecker? John Scofield, Pat Metheny? Brad Mehldau. Keith Jarrett? Weather Report? Author needs to branch out.

Also, if we're in-period, there is a serious omission of Bill Evans, Art Blakey, and Oscar Peterson (Sound of the Trio is one of the most fantstic albums of all time).


Chick Corea is on biatches Brew, but I also agree
 
2013-11-24 11:16:55 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

I love Headhunters too, but I really think Maiden Voyage is a more groundbreaking album for its time.
 
2013-11-24 11:20:39 AM

Charlie Freak: This is a list of ten Blue Note/west coast jazz albums. Not that there's anything wrong with west coast, but no Diz or Bird? No Duke or Benny Goodman? No Chick Corea or Michael Brecker? John Scofield, Pat Metheny? Brad Mehldau. Keith Jarrett? Weather Report? Author needs to branch out.

Also, if we're in-period, there is a serious omission of Bill Evans, Art Blakey, and Oscar Peterson (Sound of the Trio is one of the most fantstic albums of all time).


What this cat is saying. The lack of Bird alone makes it suspect, but no Duke is a crime.

/"remember, cash only and nothing higher than a fifty."
 
2013-11-24 11:21:07 AM
Screw u Subby.
In A Silent Way
Jack Johnson
On the Corner
are my favorite Miles but Biatches Brew is awesome too

Some others that I would consider all time greats:
Ask the Ages by Sonny Sharrock
S-T Debut by Weather Report
Out to Lunch by Eric Dolphy
Brilliant Corners by Monk
Inner Mounting Flame by Mahavishnu
Voice of Chunk by The Lounge Lizards
Chet Baker Sings by Chet Baker
 
2013-11-24 11:23:43 AM
I'm not a jazz guy at all. I own four titles,I think.

Kind of Blue and Brubeck's Time Out are the only "real" jazz titles I have. And I have a couple of west coast fusion albums, one by Metheny and one by Kittyhawk.
 
2013-11-24 11:27:01 AM

Rann Xerox: Marquis de Sod: I have all those, but it's A Love Supreme for the win

Also missing from the list:

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It's too bad the sounds of people talking, glasses clinking and silverware being used cannot be removed from the recording.  Didn't those people know that one of the deities of Jazz was playing the piano?


Agreed on the missing from the list. But the ambience is just indicative of the setting. For most jazz musicians, this actually hasn't changed much at all.

I've seen (read) a lot of folks complain about audience interaction on more recent recordings (applause, hollering and whistling during a dramatic moment, etc), even going so far as to ask the artist to request that people don't do that on a live recording. However, I think it's part of the experience. Those passages are supposed to evoke that kind of response and often add to the energy on stage.

As with Live at Village Vanguard, it's the setting that existed and actually contributed to what the artist emoted during that session, though in contrast to a more attentive crowd. If people are talking and clinking glasses and things are still masterful up on the stand, then to me that's indicative of an artist that is focused inward, inside the musical moment. And Evans' playing is reflective of that. It takes a lot to ignore a beat crowd.
 
2013-11-24 11:29:51 AM

Somacandra: [upload.wikimedia.org image 300x300]

I love Headhunters too, but I really think Maiden Voyage is a more groundbreaking album for its time.


Agreed. "Dolphin Dance" is one of my favorite charts of all time to both listen and play. Played it on Thursday night as a piano/bass duo.
 
2013-11-24 11:30:33 AM

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2013-11-24 11:32:54 AM
List is missing Buddy Rich's Channel One Suite (or I guess it would be Mercy Mercy Mercy if it's for albums)
 
2013-11-24 11:34:44 AM
A good list of classics, but, expand your horizons and listen to the music put out on the ECM label. I promise it will be good for your head.
 
2013-11-24 11:36:32 AM
I love listening to jazz, but always feel overwhelmed by the vast history and not knowing where to start, so I appreciate lists like this.

I listen to WBGO in Newark a lot, and own Kind of Blue, biatches Brew, A Love Supreme, and Giant Steps, but that's it. I'm excited to get some of the albums.
 
2013-11-24 11:39:38 AM

Somacandra: I love Headhunters too, but I really think Maiden Voyage is a more groundbreaking album for its time.


www.progarchives.com

Don't know how groundbreaking it was, but every time I listen to it is like it's the first time. So absurdly simple, yet amazing.
 
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