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2013-11-23 12:33:38 PM  
F*ck that, I don't even shop in November, let alone on Thanksgiving.
 
2013-11-23 12:33:50 PM  
As a retail manager who has to work on Thanksgiving, yes you are.
 
2013-11-23 12:34:15 PM  
Part of?  No demand, no stores open.
 
2013-11-23 12:34:37 PM  
IF you have to do that stupidest of holidays (christmas) shop DURING the year and quit forcing retailers to cater to you on one friggin' day because it makes it hard for everyone else, because, ya know, no one really cares.
 
2013-11-23 12:35:27 PM  
Exactly this.

It's pretty simple: if you stay home, the assholes won't make people work on Thanksgiving. You're not gonna miss anything.
 
2013-11-23 12:35:30 PM  
I should start submitting articles my friends post 2 days ago on Facebook.
 
2013-11-23 12:38:41 PM  
It's like my aunt and uncle growing up.  They'd biatch about how places should be closed on Sundays, yet once a month they'd head to a theme park on a Sunday.  They were weird, churches, but also roller coaster enthusiasts.
 
2013-11-23 12:39:31 PM  
No. A few drug stores should be open, of course.
 
2013-11-23 12:40:06 PM  
Boo hoo hoo, retail store employees have to work on Thanksgiving.  There are a ton of people way more important than you that have to work on Thanksgiving.  Get over yourselves.
 
2013-11-23 12:40:26 PM  
I don't shop on Thanksgiving, and, yes, those that do are, indeed, part of the problem. I'll be buying some minor victuals on Tuesday, but other than that, I won't be going out at all - far too many drunken idiots driving on Thanksgiving.
 
2013-11-23 12:41:43 PM  
But there's a sale on toilet paper. And I might as well get the laundry detergent while we're here. Go get me the Triskets. Fine. Just one cereal.

/that's it
 
2013-11-23 12:41:59 PM  
So now shopping is part of the problem?  Wow, I thought it was the path to get us out of the Second Depression.
 
2013-11-23 12:42:13 PM  
There is no problem. Commerce should not come to a standstill just because some people like to stuff their faces and watch the Lions lose with relatives they probably don't even want to be around.
 
2013-11-23 12:42:37 PM  

Pincy: There are a ton of people way more important than you that have to work on Thanksgiving.


More important? Laughable.
 
2013-11-23 12:43:22 PM  
Is sad to see all these knuckledraggers and mouth breathers braving the elements to save a few extra bucks on toys for their crotchfruit. Have they not heard of Amazon, eBay, etc.?
 
2013-11-23 12:47:05 PM  

Mister Buttons: It's like my aunt and uncle growing up.  They'd biatch about how places should be closed on Sundays, yet once a month they'd head to a theme park on a Sunday.  They were weird, churches, but also roller coaster enthusiasts.


Would you say that they were....holy rollers?
 
2013-11-23 12:48:26 PM  
In my defense, if I ever shop on Thanksgiving, it's because I forgot it was Thanksgiving and was just trying to get normal errands done.

/Don't really do anything special for Thanksgiving so I tend to forget about it
 
2013-11-23 12:48:37 PM  

mekki: Mister Buttons: It's like my aunt and uncle growing up.  They'd biatch about how places should be closed on Sundays, yet once a month they'd head to a theme park on a Sunday.  They were weird, churches, but also roller coaster enthusiasts.

Would you say that they were....holy rollers?


Only if they're Jewish and like E.
 
2013-11-23 12:51:10 PM  

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Duh!

 
2013-11-23 12:51:33 PM  

rkiller1: So now shopping is part of the problem?  Wow, I thought it was the path to get us out of the Second Depression.


It was how we defeated Al-Qaeda.

On a macro level, people will spend what they will spend.  They'll shift time to short term disruptions, like the stocking up before the snowstorm.  It's why single day boycotts don't work.  On a micro level, stores are trying to get customers to their store instead of their competitors.
 
2013-11-23 12:51:44 PM  
The solution to this, like every other problem, is more and bigger government.  Just make it illegal to sell anything on that day.
 
2013-11-23 12:53:24 PM  
 
2013-11-23 12:53:47 PM  

jayphat: As a retail manager who has to work on Thanksgiving, yes you are.


Seconded. My auto-parts place is open limited hours this year, 8-6, I'm opening and running the place with one other person until 1, and then my assistant manager is closing with another part-timer. I'm bringing food and a TV so we can watch the NFL games.

Last year we made almost no money (literally less than $1k while a normal day is $8-10k), and the old manager was a family-less and mirthless bastard who wouldn't let anyone leave early.

It's my first Thanksgiving as manager and I'm trying to make it good for my employees. The DM gave me free reign on scheduling and what we actually do during the day, so... food and football. Oh, and I asked for volunteers to work, and wound up with more than I needed. I guess we're going to see how this works out.
 
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2013-11-23 12:54:19 PM  
What's the problem that I'm hypothetically part of?
 
2013-11-23 12:56:53 PM  

Pincy: Boo hoo hoo, retail store employees have to work on Thanksgiving.  There are a ton of people way more important than you that have to work on Thanksgiving.  Get over yourselves.


If they're so damn unimportant, then the world won't collapse if they get a day off.
 
2013-11-23 12:56:53 PM  

Pincy: Boo hoo hoo, retail store employees have to work on Thanksgiving.  There are a ton of people way more important than you that have to work on Thanksgiving.  Get over yourselves.


Yes, you're absolutely right but those people are doing important things like trying to protect our country or putting out turkey fryer fires. Not getting crushed to death at a minimum wage job by a bunch of douche bags racing to get a $39 TV made in Best Korea.
 
2013-11-23 12:58:02 PM  
It's what Jesus would've wanted.

Blessed be thy sales.
 
2013-11-23 12:58:08 PM  

ramblinwreck: Part of?  No demand, no stores open.


There's plenty of guilt to go around. Retailers increase demand by offering huge deals and savings on these days. Without the special promotions, demand would be much, much lower.
You could say that it's still on the customers in that case, but there's more to it than just their own greed. If they can't get the sale before it ends or before stock runs out then they might not be able to get the gifts they want for their loved ones. That's a lot of pressure, especially when dealing with gifts for kids. And no one wants to be the parent who can't get their kid what they want for Christmas because they have reservations about people working on Thanksgiving day.
 
2013-11-23 12:59:11 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Pincy: There are a ton of people way more important than you that have to work on Thanksgiving.

More important? Laughable.


I am pretty sure hospitals have to be staffed on Thanksgiving...

But article is right
 
2013-11-23 12:59:48 PM  
Nope, don't shop on Thanksgiving and I may be avoiding companies that are. I avoid walmart already so that's easy.
 
2013-11-23 01:00:49 PM  

Pincy: Boo hoo hoo, retail store employees have to work on Thanksgiving.  There are a ton of people way more important than you that have to work on Thanksgiving.  Get over yourselves.


That is correct. Their jobs are much more important and vital than a store being open on Thanksgiving.
 
2013-11-23 01:00:49 PM  

Snargi: Yes, you're absolutely right but those people are doing important things like trying to protect our country or putting out turkey fryer fires.


On second thought, maybe the firefighters will be hoping most of the idiots that would drop a frozen turkey into a fryer full of boiling oil will be fighting over a Best Korea TV rather than cooking.
 
2013-11-23 01:01:27 PM  
I won't be going out shopping on Thanksgiving but I'm sure there are enough cheap people who put bargains above family, friends and traditions so that this will become the new norm.
 
2013-11-23 01:01:36 PM  
You're not going to stop people that don't give a shiat about thanksgiving from going shopping so it's up to the stores to put their employees above the sales that they would probably get anyway.
 
2013-11-23 01:02:59 PM  
I don't even leave the house Thanksgiving day, if I can help it. Actually, other than working Wednesday, I won't leave the house from Wednesday afternoon getting home until Saturday night, and that'll be for the weekly beer run.

fark you  idiots that OMGWTFBBQMUSTSHOPEVARDAY!
 
2013-11-23 01:03:07 PM  

SuperTramp: Here's the real reason stores will open on Thanksgiving

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And how many of the above stores that are open are known for being good to their employees vs those that are closed on Thanksgiving.
 
2013-11-23 01:03:09 PM  
I think I bought ice a couple of times b/c my grandparents would forget to fill up their ice trays.
 
2013-11-23 01:03:14 PM  
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2013-11-23 01:04:32 PM  

Towermonkey: jayphat: As a retail manager who has to work on Thanksgiving, yes you are.

Seconded. My auto-parts place is open limited hours this year, 8-6, I'm opening and running the place with one other person until 1, and then my assistant manager is closing with another part-timer. I'm bringing food and a TV so we can watch the NFL games.

Last year we made almost no money (literally less than $1k while a normal day is $8-10k), and the old manager was a family-less and mirthless bastard who wouldn't let anyone leave early.

It's my first Thanksgiving as manager and I'm trying to make it good for my employees. The DM gave me free reign on scheduling and what we actually do during the day, so... food and football. Oh, and I asked for volunteers to work, and wound up with more than I needed. I guess we're going to see how this works out.


I need 5 people for the day. 3 to open and deal with the crazies in the morning, two to be minimum to close. I had 4 volunteers, meaning of my other 3 people, I had to screw someone over. I wasn't happy to do it at all, on a day when we'll bring in 1/2 what we normally. The joys of pharmacy retail when the damn pharmacy isn't even open.
 
2013-11-23 01:06:01 PM  

Molavian: F*ck that, I don't even shop in November, let alone on Thanksgiving.


So I assume you stocked up on MREs and Mormon survivalist packs and then packed your chest freezer to the lid in October?


I don't see a problem with grocery stores being open on Thanksgiving till 3-4PM.  But other retail stores should be giving their employees the day off.  You can wait a day to buy your cheap Chinese plastic shiat.

As for stores like Wal-Mart, Super Target and Fred Meyers who are combination grocer and general retail, I like how FM has many of their stores segmented so that they can shut down the general retail section while keeping the grocery open.
 
2013-11-23 01:07:00 PM  

SuperTramp: Here's the real reason stores will open on Thanksgiving

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so do these geniuses think that sales or profits would increase if we decided there were 366 days in a year?
 
2013-11-23 01:07:55 PM  
I never go out to shop on Black Friday. In the rare instance when I did, I went out at around noon and avoided the local mall like the plague - got an HDTV for $400 back when the things were going for $1000.
 
2013-11-23 01:10:13 PM  
i'd rather wait until february and get the same or better deal, or a better/improved product than shop on those crazy days.
 
2013-11-23 01:11:05 PM  

Headso: You're not going to stop people that don't give a shiat about thanksgiving from going shopping so it's up to the stores to put their employees above the sales that they would probably get anyway.


The problem is a lot of the folks that go out shopping on Tday or those ungodly early opening on black friday actually do care about Thanksgiving but somewhere in their minds they think the store employees are being overly compensated for working on Tday and/or actually want to work on that day. 

For 20 years I ran a chain tire/auto service store.  I was amazed by how many customers didn't understand that we don't have a cleaning crew, we don't get paid for doing free services or warranty work, discount/coupons/warranty credits hit our compensation and working on holidays/sundays does not pay a higher hourly rate.

My service manager was out after having emergency appendicitis surgery.. I got the honor of working open to close for 2 straight weeks since company policy states a member of management has to be in the store at all times. He gets back the week of thanksgiving and that being a busy week my only day off was Tday since we were closed. 

yet meanwhile our precious government employees complain about being shutdown for 16 days even knowing that the would get paid (since they always do) and yet they still get tday off.
 
2013-11-23 01:11:47 PM  
No, no I don't. I eat on thanksgiving. I relax, I play board games or fire up the old NES, sometimes shoot some pool. That's about it.
 
2013-11-23 01:17:26 PM  

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Um, people who want to save a great deal of money?  Is this a trick question?

I'm sorry that their life sucks, but if I don't have anywhere else to be, and it's a whole lot cheaper because there's a sale going on, I'm not going to boycott the store because it somehow makes the world a better place.  Except for the people who desperately need double time who'd have to take the day off if nobody were to shop that day.
 
2013-11-23 01:19:15 PM  

jayphat: Towermonkey: jayphat: As a retail manager who has to work on Thanksgiving, yes you are.

Seconded. My auto-parts place is open limited hours this year, 8-6, I'm opening and running the place with one other person until 1, and then my assistant manager is closing with another part-timer. I'm bringing food and a TV so we can watch the NFL games.

Last year we made almost no money (literally less than $1k while a normal day is $8-10k), and the old manager was a family-less and mirthless bastard who wouldn't let anyone leave early.

It's my first Thanksgiving as manager and I'm trying to make it good for my employees. The DM gave me free reign on scheduling and what we actually do during the day, so... food and football. Oh, and I asked for volunteers to work, and wound up with more than I needed. I guess we're going to see how this works out.

I need 5 people for the day. 3 to open and deal with the crazies in the morning, two to be minimum to close. I had 4 volunteers, meaning of my other 3 people, I had to screw someone over. I wasn't happy to do it at all, on a day when we'll bring in 1/2 what we normally. The joys of pharmacy retail when the damn pharmacy isn't even open.


Oh you poor bastard. That suuuuucks. Back in the late 2000s I had a friend who managed a Walgreens, and he always complained about the holiday work, mostly because he was salaried and didn't get holiday pay.

I talked to most of the auto shops that do business with us, they're all closed Thursday and Friday, so I expect what little business we do will be in failed batteries and other emergency-type situations. I know last year that was the case. We barely made enough to cover payroll and the inventory we sold, since we all get eight hours of holiday pay (well, I get an extra day off since I'm salaried).
 
2013-11-23 01:20:21 PM  
I don't typically, though I'll happily go through the scraps the next morning. That being said, I was in a conversation a couple of days ago about this and there were a number of retail employees who were actively supporting it because they had no plans (no nearby family) and needed the cash. Typically to them it amounted to bonus hours, sometimes with overtime, and typically with holiday pay on top.
 
2013-11-23 01:20:40 PM  
I'll shop whenever I want.

If you don't like your job, quit.  Or don't.  The truth is, life isn't fair...but don't blame me for it.
 
2013-11-23 01:22:25 PM  
While reading TFA, I kept thinking of the film THX-1138, in which citizens are urged by their benevolent electronic messiah to "buy. Buy more. Buy more now." Then they go off to purchase useless objects that, upon arriving home, are immediately fed into the "home consumer", a machine that either destroys and recycles them, or shunts them off to some other place to be re-sold.

I'm with the author; I'm not going to contribute to the reason why people need to be torn from their families on Thanksgiving. It's a travesty.
 
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