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(Chicago Trib)   Head of the FCC is, like most sensible people, opposed to cell phone use on airplanes   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 116
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NFA [TotalFark]
2013-11-23 09:37:10 AM
I'm okay with electronic devices being used on planes.  BUT NOT CELLPHONES!

Can you imagine being trapped next to some A-hole while he shouts into a cellphone for the entire 5 hour flight?

I've been in restaurants where people shout into their cellphone and the restaurant employees do nothing to stop them.  I've said things like, excuse me can you speak up, the people in the kitchen can barely hear you.  The person shouting into the phone just gave me the stink eye and continued shouting.
 
2013-11-23 09:48:40 AM
I'm pretty certain that there's no way a cell phone could carry a call through a flight, anyway.  Although you might be able to receive signal at 30,000 feet, there's no way in hell you're going to be able to transmit back that distance through a giant sardine can.  And your phone would be picking up signals from so many cell sites, that it would likely have no idea what to do.

of course, things could have changed in the way cells handle calls these days, i've been removed from the phone business about 10 years now, but i doubt that they've changed the protocols that drastically.
 
2013-11-23 10:04:50 AM
I can't imagine sitting next to something like this on the red eye....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM7uAcUlde0

There is going to be a need for many more air marshals.
 
2013-11-23 10:51:34 AM

NFA: Can you imagine being trapped next to some A-hole while he shouts into a cellphone for the entire 5 hour flight?


Can you imagine that same flight, but surrounded by eight or ten assholes shouting into their cell phones?
 
2013-11-23 11:15:31 AM
I have long suspected that the "no electronics rule" was more to stop annoying cell phone use than safety.  The rules are so (seemingly anyway) arbitrarily skewed against cell phones.  I'm 100 percent okay with this though.  Can you imagine trying to sleep while some bro-douche business guy or some 50 year old soccer grandma yells into their phone the entire time?  People are already discourteous enough on airplanes.
 
2013-11-23 12:05:41 PM
Yeah, one more reason to hate having to fly.
 
2013-11-23 12:56:28 PM
Can you imagine trying to post in a thread surrounded by people all blathering on about their oh-so-original take on cell phone use?
 
2013-11-23 01:14:36 PM

ekdikeo4: I'm pretty certain that there's no way a cell phone could carry a call through a flight, anyway.  Although you might be able to receive signal at 30,000 feet, there's no way in hell you're going to be able to transmit back that distance through a giant sardine can.  And your phone would be picking up signals from so many cell sites, that it would likely have no idea what to do.

of course, things could have changed in the way cells handle calls these days, i've been removed from the phone business about 10 years now, but i doubt that they've changed the protocols that drastically.


You are a few miles above the ground. You have a line of sight to dozens - maybe hundreds - of towers. The system already seamlessly can hand you over form one tower to another. You'll always have a halfway decent signal being that high up; probably a couple bars tops, but doable. Remember "let's roll"? Also, cell towers could modify their radiation pattern at the towers - maybe even without retrofitting.

But may God have mercy on our souls if this is allowed. Flying sucks the sweat off the a dead man's balls already. This would suck the entire cock right off. I envision fly-rage leading to fisticuffs. But... earplugs. I already do my best to tune out all the other mewling puking fleshbags that I'm forced to share space with. I really think this could lead to violence if this became widespread.
 
2013-11-23 01:46:02 PM
I thought cell phones didn't work on planes, except magically on 9/11. Every time I've checked, I can't get a signal.
 
2013-11-23 01:48:38 PM

NFA: I'm okay with electronic devices being used on planes.  BUT NOT CELLPHONES!

Can you imagine being trapped next to some A-hole while he shouts into a cellphone for the entire 5 hour flight?


The gym TVs are always tuned to FoxNooz, and they were talking about this yesterday. One of the Ubiquitous Blond Bimbos said that she would stop flying if she had to listen to somebody on their cell phone for an entire flight. That's the only time I've ever agreed with anything uttered by a UBB.
 
2013-11-23 02:17:51 PM

ekdikeo4: I'm pretty certain that there's no way a cell phone could carry a call through a flight, anyway.  Although you might be able to receive signal at 30,000 feet, there's no way in hell you're going to be able to transmit back that distance through a giant sardine can.  And your phone would be picking up signals from so many cell sites, that it would likely have no idea what to do.

of course, things could have changed in the way cells handle calls these days, i've been removed from the phone business about 10 years now, but i doubt that they've changed the protocols that drastically.


google picocell and femtocell.
 
2013-11-23 02:18:51 PM
Needs hero tag.
 
2013-11-23 02:21:38 PM

Triumph: I thought cell phones didn't work on planes, except magically on 9/11. Every time I've checked, I can't get a signal.


You probably weren't cruising a few hundred feet above a major metropolis on your way to crash into a building.

Cellphones lose signal above a few thousand feet. They can "see" too many towers and get confused.

Equipment can be installed on aircraft to make them work in flight. Personally I hope they don allow voice calls but let people text, no harm in that.
 
2013-11-23 02:22:20 PM
I predict that if cell phones are allowed on airplanes the 5% of people are have cell phone or bluetooth devices surgically implanted on their ear will create a s**tload of drama on airplanes not seen before.

It is a good thing those airplanes phones are so expensive.
 
2013-11-23 02:23:28 PM
Seriously though, we need less cell phones in life not more.
 
2013-11-23 02:23:44 PM
I'm unclear on why anyone is discussing using cell phones on flights, because once more than about 4 ground cell towers are able to contact your phone, they shut down any ability for you to make a call anyway.

The original rule for "no cell phones on planes" rule dates back to the mid 80s when AT&T and other cellular carriers didn't want people to be able to contact their home network and avoid roaming charges, lobbied and passed under the false veil of "safety".
 
2013-11-23 02:25:11 PM

NFA: I'm okay with electronic devices being used on planes.  BUT NOT CELLPHONES!

Can you imagine being trapped next to some A-hole while he shouts into a cellphone for the entire 5 hour flight?

I've been in restaurants where people shout into their cellphone and the restaurant employees do nothing to stop them.  I've said things like, excuse me can you speak up, the people in the kitchen can barely hear you.  The person shouting into the phone just gave me the stink eye and continued shouting.


I usually resort to an episode of explosive diarrhea in such cases. It sends a more widespreading message, so to speak, than does a disapproving stare and a muttered "shh!"

I would accept texting, and restrain myself to prolonged, growling farts.
 
2013-11-23 02:25:17 PM

ekdikeo4: I'm pretty certain that there's no way a cell phone could carry a call through a flight, anyway.


That's be even worse.  Sitting next to some asshole saying, "Hello?  HELLO??  HELLOOOO?  Are you there??" for a couple hours?  Bleh.


/expect many more air rage incidents if voice calls are allowed in flight.
 
2013-11-23 02:25:31 PM
Some of us have important jobs which require us to be in contact 24/7. I frequently get emergency calls regarding cardiopulmonary bypass techniques and symptoms of post perfusion syndrome. I'm in the shipping business and I think I may have been given someone's old number, but I'm right there on Wikipedia, ready to save lives!
 
2013-11-23 02:28:07 PM
If they go ahead with allowing cell phones on flights they better offer a phone/no phone section for seating options.
 
2013-11-23 02:29:51 PM

pounddawg: If they go ahead with allowing cell phones on flights they better offer a phone/no phone section for seating options.


So, they're going to stick some seats on the wings?
 
2013-11-23 02:32:04 PM
Invent keychain sized cell phone jammers if this gets approved.

It would not have have to be huge, just look like a GM car remote and would only have to work in bursts.  Just like that keychain tv remote thing.
 
2013-11-23 02:34:54 PM
Cue all the people who, if it annoys them, they have reasons to ban it, and if they do it, they have reasons to legalise it.
 
2013-11-23 02:36:20 PM

NFA: "I'm okay with electronic devices being used on planes.  BUT NOT CELLPHONES!

Can you imagine being trapped next to some A-hole while he shouts into a cellphone for the entire 5 hour flight?"



Gosh, yeah, that would be pretty terrible. Good thing it's never existed.

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/ We're only against it if we can't charge for it.
 
2013-11-23 02:38:19 PM
It would be better is he was against imposing censorship on free speech because some ignorant social conservative group with "family" in its name got their panties in a bunch over seeing some body part or dirty words.
 
2013-11-23 02:40:27 PM
spmkk
NFA: "I'm okay with electronic devices being used on planes. BUT NOT CELLPHONES!
Can you imagine being trapped next to some A-hole while he shouts into a cellphone for the entire 5 hour flight?"
Gosh, yeah, that would be pretty terrible. Good thing it's never existed.
/ We're only against it if we can't charge for it.


Good point, but it does have the added benefit of keeping calls short and to the point. You don't have to hear most people drone on about the football game, the kids or other social drama. And incoming call are out too.
 
2013-11-23 02:46:25 PM

Enemabag Jones: Invent keychain sized cell phone jammers if this gets approved.

It would not have have to be huge, just look like a GM car remote and would only have to work in bursts.  Just like that keychain tv remote thing.


They already make them small enough to fir in your hand. If you used one on a plane, there is a good chance the FCC and DHS are going to want to talk to you.
 
2013-11-23 02:46:51 PM

ComaToast: Some of us have important jobs which require us to be in contact 24/7. I frequently get emergency calls regarding cardiopulmonary bypass techniques and symptoms of post perfusion syndrome. I'm in the shipping business and I think I may have been given someone's old number, but I'm right there on Wikipedia, ready to save lives!


I get calls of people thinking I am Papa Johns.  I started taking their order and telling them about our new 6-pack delivery service, tell them we will be there in 20 mins or it's free, hang up and turn off my phone.
 
2013-11-23 02:47:53 PM
"YEAH, I'M TALKING ON AN AIRPLANE...HAHAHAHA!!!...I KNOW, RIGHT??...HAHAHAHA!!!"

I'd punch the guy right in the peanuts.
 
2013-11-23 02:49:34 PM

Enemabag Jones: "Invent keychain sized cell phone jammers if this gets approved.

It would not have have to be huge, just look like a GM car remote and would only have to work in bursts.  Just like that keychain tv remote thing."



Yes, because your right to not be subjected to (gasp!) nearby conversation in a semi-public place supersedes someone else's right to stay connected with their work team or speak to their loved ones.

You have every right and opportunity to be on a plane where the riff-raff isn't doing anything to annoy you: charter one. But you don't like that option, so you'd rather legislate other people out of rights -- or break the law yourself to deprive others of their rights, as you explicitly suggest above -- so that you can travel in an environment custom-tailored to your liking without paying extra for it.


images.nitrosell.com
 
2013-11-23 02:49:41 PM

NFA: I'm okay with electronic devices being used on planes.  BUT NOT CELLPHONES!

Can you imagine being trapped next to some A-hole while he shouts into a cellphone for the entire 5 hour flight?

I've been in restaurants where people shout into their cellphone and the restaurant employees do nothing to stop them.  I've said things like, excuse me can you speak up, the people in the kitchen can barely hear you.  The person shouting into the phone just gave me the stink eye and continued shouting.


I love the term "stink eye".

As a frequent flies business traveler (I don't talk much on the cell phone but I do email and text from it quite a bit) I am sitting on the fence.

So many people use headphones for music or noise cancelling, cell phone use might not be as big a problem for a large group of airline passengers.

As a frequent rider on Amtrak I do appreciate the "Quiet Cars".

Maybe there's a way people could have their cake and cell phone use too?
 
2013-11-23 02:50:16 PM
redmid17
They already make them small enough to fir in your hand. If you used one on a plane, there is a good chance the FCC and DHS are going to want to talk to you.


Discretion would be in order.
 
2013-11-23 02:50:28 PM

neilbradley: I'm unclear on why anyone is discussing using cell phones on flights, because once more than about 4 ground cell towers are able to contact your phone, they shut down any ability for you to make a call anyway.

The original rule for "no cell phones on planes" rule dates back to the mid 80s when AT&T and other cellular carriers didn't want people to be able to contact their home network and avoid roaming charges, lobbied and passed under the false veil of "safety".


They will be putting micro-cells on the planes themselves and tying them to the same satellite system that provides the internet. That's how it will work. They do it on cruise ships, too.
 
2013-11-23 02:55:58 PM
spmkk
You have every right and opportunity to be on a plane where the riff-raff isn't doing anything to annoy you: charter one. But you don't like that option, so you'd rather legislate other people out of rights -- or break the law yourself to deprive others of their rights, as you explicitly suggest above -- so that you can travel in an environment custom-tailored to your liking without paying extra for it.


I used the word discretion earlier. You would not use a keychain tv remote to shut off a tv in a sports bar during a game. But it if is something nothing is watching anyway, it could be done quietly.

A person on a ten minute call involving work, by all means. The person going into the 40 minute mark blathering on about the grandkids, maybe time to put your hands in your pocket and hit the unlock car button.
 
2013-11-23 02:56:21 PM

Enemabag Jones: redmid17
They already make them small enough to fir in your hand. If you used one on a plane, there is a good chance the FCC and DHS are going to want to talk to you.

Discretion would be in order.


Discretion isn't going to help you. A very expensive lawyer might.

Overfiend: NFA: I'm okay with electronic devices being used on planes.  BUT NOT CELLPHONES!

Can you imagine being trapped next to some A-hole while he shouts into a cellphone for the entire 5 hour flight?

I've been in restaurants where people shout into their cellphone and the restaurant employees do nothing to stop them.  I've said things like, excuse me can you speak up, the people in the kitchen can barely hear you.  The person shouting into the phone just gave me the stink eye and continued shouting.

I love the term "stink eye".

As a frequent flies business traveler (I don't talk much on the cell phone but I do email and text from it quite a bit) I am sitting on the fence.

So many people use headphones for music or noise cancelling, cell phone use might not be as big a problem for a large group of airline passengers.

As a frequent rider on Amtrak I do appreciate the "Quiet Cars".

Maybe there's a way people could have their cake and cell phone use too?


I'm a pretty frequent flier too. I think people are overestimating how much of an issue this would be. They've already got this on international flights for a bunch of international airlines. Have yet to hear of a "air rage" incident.
 
2013-11-23 03:01:55 PM
How many people are going to overwhelm the plane internet trying to use Skype?
 
2013-11-23 03:03:39 PM
Everyone is talking about cell phone towers, but wouldn't Skype or Google voice work fine on wifi?
 
2013-11-23 03:06:02 PM

Intrepid00: How many people are going to overwhelm the plane internet trying to use Skype?


I would guess none. All of the airlines with in-flight access I'm aware of block high bandwidth apps like Netflix and Skype. Satellite bandwidth is expensive and those services would compete with the inflight options the airlines want to make you pay for.

http://www.southwest.com/wifi/

http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/travel/inflight/wifi/faqs.as px
 
2013-11-23 03:06:38 PM

The Angry Hand of God: Everyone is talking about cell phone towers, but wouldn't Skype or Google voice work fine on wifi?


No. They block it
 
2013-11-23 03:06:49 PM
redmid17,
Discretion isn't going to help you. A very expensive lawyer might.


I never said it wasn't illegal or anyone caught using one would be free from legal liabilities.

I'm a pretty frequent flier too. I think people are overestimating how much of an issue this would be. They've already got this on international flights for a bunch of international airlines. Have yet to hear of a "air rage" incident.

You might be confusing the average international flier and the average domestic flier.
 
2013-11-23 03:07:37 PM

The Angry Hand of God: Everyone is talking about cell phone towers, but wouldn't Skype or Google voice work fine on wifi?



In-flight WiFi providers typically block those services. You can VPN around those restrictions (never tried it myself, but I can't see why not), but I'm not sure the bandwidth would allow for a very good voice connection, especially if a lot of people are trying to use it.
 
2013-11-23 03:08:12 PM

Overfiend: NFA: I'm okay with electronic devices being used on planes.  BUT NOT CELLPHONES!

Can you imagine being trapped next to some A-hole while he shouts into a cellphone for the entire 5 hour flight?

I've been in restaurants where people shout into their cellphone and the restaurant employees do nothing to stop them.  I've said things like, excuse me can you speak up, the people in the kitchen can barely hear you.  The person shouting into the phone just gave me the stink eye and continued shouting.

I love the term "stink eye".

As a frequent flies business traveler (I don't talk much on the cell phone but I do email and text from it quite a bit) I am sitting on the fence.

So many people use headphones for music or noise cancelling, cell phone use might not be as big a problem for a large group of airline passengers.

As a frequent rider on Amtrak I do appreciate the "Quiet Cars".

Maybe there's a way people could have their cake and cell phone use too?


Designate a flight as "quiet" or "non-quiet" for cell phone use. Anyone who breaks the rule is removed from the plane, preferably in flight.
 
2013-11-23 03:10:31 PM

spmkk: Enemabag Jones: "Invent keychain sized cell phone jammers if this gets approved.

It would not have have to be huge, just look like a GM car remote and would only have to work in bursts.  Just like that keychain tv remote thing."


Yes, because your right to not be subjected to (gasp!) nearby conversation in a semi-public place supersedes someone else's right to stay connected with their work team or speak to their loved ones.


Speaking of things that are not rights.

You have every right and opportunity to be on a plane where the riff-raff isn't doing anything to annoy you: charter one. But you don't like that option, so you'd rather legislate other people out of rights -- or break the law yourself to deprive others of their rights, as you explicitly suggest above -- so that you can travel in an environment custom-tailored to your liking without paying extra for it.


On trains they have 'quiet cars.' On planes there is no such option. Institute a quiet cabin policy and charge a fee for the 'luxury' and then your point might be valid.
 
2013-11-23 03:12:09 PM
Enemabag Jones: redmid17,
Discretion isn't going to help you. A very expensive lawyer might.

I never said it wasn't illegal or anyone caught using one would be free from legal liabilities.


Okay let me be more clear then. You would be a farking idiot to even bring one of those on a plane, let alone use it. All of the retarded handwringing people were doing about cell phones, tablets, and other electronics on the plane actually makes sense for signal jammers, a lot of sense.

I'm a pretty frequent flier too. I think people are overestimating how much of an issue this would be. They've already got this on international flights for a bunch of international airlines. Have yet to hear of a "air rage" incident.

You might be confusing the average international flier and the average domestic flier.


No I'm aware there is a bit of a disparity in the travel habits of those groups. I just don't think cell phone usage on domestic flights would be as egregious as people think it would be.
 
2013-11-23 03:15:59 PM
redmid17
Enemabag Jones: redmid17,
Discretion isn't going to help you. A very expensive lawyer might.
I never said it wasn't illegal or anyone caught using one would be free from legal liabilities.
Okay let me be more clear then. You would be a farking idiot to even bring one of those on a plane, let alone use it. All of the retarded handwringing people were doing about cell phones, tablets, and other electronics on the plane actually makes sense for signal jammers, a lot of sense.


That would be the big concern. You don't want to hit the button that makes the wings fall off the plane.
 
2013-11-23 03:19:36 PM

Enemabag Jones: redmid17
Enemabag Jones: redmid17,
Discretion isn't going to help you. A very expensive lawyer might.
I never said it wasn't illegal or anyone caught using one would be free from legal liabilities.
Okay let me be more clear then. You would be a farking idiot to even bring one of those on a plane, let alone use it. All of the retarded handwringing people were doing about cell phones, tablets, and other electronics on the plane actually makes sense for signal jammers, a lot of sense.

That would be the big concern. You don't want to hit the button that makes the wings fall off the plane.


It's okay to admit you don't know how things work.
 
2013-11-23 03:19:43 PM

Enemabag Jones: spmkk
You have every right and opportunity to be on a plane where the riff-raff isn't doing anything to annoy you: charter one. But you don't like that option, so you'd rather legislate other people out of rights -- or break the law yourself to deprive others of their rights, as you explicitly suggest above -- so that you can travel in an environment custom-tailored to your liking without paying extra for it.

I used the word discretion earlier. You would not use a keychain tv remote to shut off a tv in a sports bar during a game. But it if is something nothing is watching anyway, it could be done quietly.

A person on a ten minute call involving work, by all means. The person going into the 40 minute mark blathering on about the grandkids, maybe time to put your hands in your pocket and hit the unlock car button.


By all means get yourself a jammer before your next flight, I hear there are some you can buy from overseas. I encourage you because I'm dying to read about your arrest when your busted for using a jammer and you don't understand why.
 
2013-11-23 03:23:29 PM
Easy solution for jerks shouting into their cell phones: The flight attendants tell them to shut up, or be removed from the airplane and placed on a no-fly list. They can already do this to disruptive people.

This will change the behavior of 98% of the potential "shouters" in a hurry.

The main reason we aren't talking on our cell phones during flights is because Boeing and other companies, along with airlines, make money on in-flight phone service.

Allow in-flight cell phone usage, along with texting (which will take care of the most disruptive types, anyway). I rarely use my phone, but I'd love the option of being able to make a call home before landing, just to let them know I am almost there (or remind somebody I need a pick up)
 
2013-11-23 03:25:02 PM
The primary reason Im all for using electronic devices for more of the flight than previously is so I can have the following experience.

1) Sit in chair
2) Listen to safety briefing, find the closest exist
3) Takeoff (I enjoy watching the wings....its cool)
4) Stick headphones in ears for entire duration of flight drowning out both babies and annoying jackholes
5) Land aircraft
6) Leave plane
 
2013-11-23 03:26:51 PM
There are still no cell towers floating in the middle of the Pacific, right? That's the flight I can't imagine enduring 17 hours of phonedouches on.
 
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