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2013-11-23 09:56:55 AM  
I had a local Zellers I would go to for all manner of random household stuff, every now and then. They changed to a Target, and I haven't been. Isn't Target just a Wal-Mart with different owners? Why the hell would I shop there?

/ Canuck
 
2013-11-23 09:58:06 AM  

starsrift: I had a local Zellers I would go to for all manner of random household stuff, every now and then. They changed to a Target, and I haven't been.Isn't Target just a Wal-Mart with different owners? Why the hell would I shop there?

/ Canuck


Pretty much.  Target has less collusion with Chinese made crap but that's about it.
 
2013-11-23 09:58:12 AM  
From the comments:

"The first and only time I went into a Target's store (more out of curiosity than anything ) I could not find anything that was not manufactured in China. I remember thinking at the time that yet another American company was dumping inferior products on Canada. (Every time Harper goes to China on a "trade mission" I think "here we go again" - more foreign products on our shelves.) Have you tried to find anything made in Canada lately? Almost everything, especially clothing, is made in an Asian country where cheap labour thrives. "

Is Canada really 10 years behind us or has this lady just come out from under a rock?
 
2013-11-23 10:01:19 AM  
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2013-11-23 10:11:20 AM  

starsrift: I had a local Zellers I would go to for all manner of random household stuff, every now and then. They changed to a Target, and I haven't been. Isn't Target just a Wal-Mart with different owners? Why the hell would I shop there?

/ Canuck


Sort of, but just judging between the Wal-Mart and Super-Target near me, Target has a much smaller selection and is not open 24 hours a day.  Then again, I only shop at either place to buy groceries, so maybe Target has nicer clothes or something.

I do feel less dirty when shopping at Target though.
 
2013-11-23 10:19:37 AM  

starsrift: I had a local Zellers I would go to for all manner of random household stuff, every now and then. They changed to a Target, and I haven't been. Isn't Target just a Wal-Mart with different owners? Why the hell would I shop there?

/ Canuck


Target has some higher quality merchandise than Wal*Mart. I loathe Wally World, but we shop at Target regularly.
 
2013-11-23 10:21:15 AM  

AltheaToldMe: From the comments:

"The first and only time I went into a Target's store (more out of curiosity than anything ) I could not find anything that was not manufactured in China. I remember thinking at the time that yet another American company was dumping inferior products on Canada. (Every time Harper goes to China on a "trade mission" I think "here we go again" - more foreign products on our shelves.) Have you tried to find anything made in Canada lately? Almost everything, especially clothing, is made in an Asian country where cheap labour thrives. "

Is Canada really 10 years behind us or has this lady just come out from under a rock?


This lady has just come out from under a rock.
 
2013-11-23 10:25:58 AM  

Target Canada president Tony Fisher said Thursday the discount retailer is rapidly getting up to speed on what Canadian consumers want and hopes to start showing better results in 2014


Archer Farms brand microwaveable poutine and toques.

And put a Tim Hortons in the front of the store instead of the hot dog place.
 
2013-11-23 10:36:11 AM  

gfid: starsrift: I had a local Zellers I would go to for all manner of random household stuff, every now and then. They changed to a Target, and I haven't been. Isn't Target just a Wal-Mart with different owners? Why the hell would I shop there?

/ Canuck

Sort of, but just judging between the Wal-Mart and Super-Target near me, Target has a much smaller selection and is not open 24 hours a day.  Then again, I only shop at either place to buy groceries, so maybe Target has nicer clothes or something.

I do feel less dirty when shopping at Target though.


Oh.
We have grocery stores to buy food at. They're pretty good, and mostly regional chains. And they're everywhere.
 
2013-11-23 10:40:49 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: starsrift: I had a local Zellers I would go to for all manner of random household stuff, every now and then. They changed to a Target, and I haven't been.Isn't Target just a Wal-Mart with different owners? Why the hell would I shop there?

/ Canuck

Pretty much.  Target has less collusion with Chinese made crap but that's about it.


Target stores seem cleaner, and as far as I'm aware there is no peopleoftarget.com
 
2013-11-23 10:43:39 AM  
The comments in TFA are of Canadians mentioning that the Target stores up there doesn't have as good of inventory as Target in the States.

This confuses me; I have never had any luck finding anything useful at Target here in the States, either.

I wonder if most Canadians haven't been to a Target store down here, and just assume that Target stores in the States have good inventory - or if the inventory up in Canada is really THAT bad that it can be that much WORSE than here in the States..

Either way, it was a point that made me ponder a bit..
 
2013-11-23 10:58:33 AM  

"But many Canadian shoppers were looking for the same prices found in U.S. Target stores. Fisher has consistently said that Target will not offer U.S. prices, but competitive local pricing."


Ah, so they want to treat the Target stores as if the exchange rate applies to goods in American based companies. Too funny.

I'd shop in Target all the time if I lived closer to one, even considering the ease and often lower prices of Amazon. The Target near me is always clean, seems to have everything in stock, and has fair pricing. The employees are pretty nice.

 
2013-11-23 11:12:47 AM  
The issue is one of hype a bit too...I think a lot of people thought that the merchandise would reflect US pricing (which was a silly assumption), and the company played it up like it was going to be something really different.  But it's really just another Zellers...maybe a slice better than Wal-Mart.

Remember when the first Krispy-Kreme outlets opened?  People lined-up for doughnuts.  Doughnuts!  Then inevitably a couple weeks later, it's like, meh, now they may be gone, I wouldn't even know.

Same with Target.  It's just a store...how excited did they expect people to be?  No one shopped at the Zellers stores that were literally in the same building as most locations.  Why would they change their established patterns just to shop at Zellers-by-another-name?
 
2013-11-23 11:29:45 AM  
The US cost-cutting (most notably on payroll) and nagging focus on signing everyone up for credit cards to help finance the Canadian expansion has been very noticeable.. It's almost impossible to find help in the evenings these days.
 
2013-11-23 11:32:05 AM  
The nearest Target is about a hour and a half away.

How many Canadian farkers remember "Zellers Select"? Aka "This is a smaller market but it makes us some money so we're going to keep the Zellers but remove 60 - 75% of the merchandise a normal Zellers would have in stock and run it on the most barebones staffing levels you've ever seen."
 
2013-11-23 11:37:14 AM  

starsrift: Isn't Target just a Wal-Mart with different owners? Why the hell would I shop there?


In the US, Target is a little more middle class oriented than Wal-Mart.

The prices aren't quite as cheap, but the store is less crowded, the employees are more helpful, and the other customers are easier to endure.

In short, it's everything I imagine a Canadian Wal-Mart to be.
 
2013-11-23 11:58:56 AM  
It's because Canadians hate anything that isn't Canadian.
 
2013-11-23 12:06:14 PM  

47 is the new 42: Smeggy Smurf: starsrift: I had a local Zellers I would go to for all manner of random household stuff, every now and then. They changed to a Target, and I haven't been.Isn't Target just a Wal-Mart with different owners? Why the hell would I shop there?

/ Canuck

Pretty much.  Target has less collusion with Chinese made crap but that's about it.

Target stores seem cleaner, and as far as I'm aware there is no peopleoftarget.com


In my experience going to walmart is exactly like www.peopleofwalmart.com.  Going to target is like www.girlsinyogapants.com.
 
2013-11-23 12:10:30 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: And put a Tim Hortons in the front of the store instead of the hot dog place.


I had to go to technical training in Ohio and they had a Tim Horton's next to the facility.  Tim Horton's sucks ass in the US.  The coffee sucked, the donuts sucked, and the breakfast food sucked.  Their hash browns tasted like a human testicle flattened with a meat tenderizer and then deep fried in ass-juice.  The coffee was watered down (every day) and insanely hot.  It took the staff 14 minutes to get an order of 10 donuts together.

Whatever good ever came out of Tim Horton's has been destroyed by the stupid, fat, lazy, no-good US worker pool.
 
2013-11-23 12:26:32 PM  

starsrift: I had a local Zellers I would go to for all manner of random household stuff, every now and then. They changed to a Target, and I haven't been. Isn't Target just a Wal-Mart with different owners? Why the hell would I shop there?

/ Canuck


Target attracts a slightly higher class of riff-raff :)

In my area Target is clean and well lit. Doesn't have quite the selection as Wal-Mart but everything there is higher quality stuff. Wal-Mart is dirty, dark and the aisle are too small.  Of course this is Texas so I suppose trashed Wal-Mart is to be expected.
 
2013-11-23 12:26:33 PM  
Target - Hot girls in yoga pants
Walmart - Fat "women" in pajama pants.
 
2013-11-23 12:35:57 PM  

AgentKGB: The nearest Target is about a hour and a half away.

How many Canadian farkers remember "Zellers Select"? Aka "This is a smaller market but it makes us some money so we're going to keep the Zellers but remove 60 - 75% of the merchandise a normal Zellers would have in stock and run it on the most barebones staffing levels you've ever seen."




Zellers?
 
2013-11-23 12:37:51 PM  
I went to a local Target in Montreal for the first time yesterday.  Lots of store staff around to help.    Someone came over and asked me if I needed any help.  I nearly fell over - that never happens.

Usually you spend your time looking for someone to ask a question to and seeing how annoyed they are that they actually had to do something associated with their job.   All the Target store staff seemed really pleasant.
 
2013-11-23 01:11:09 PM  

CraicBaby: It's because Canadians hate anything that isn't Canadian.


Except for American movies, tv, music, food, colloquialisms, sports teams, technology et cetera.
 
2013-11-23 02:13:32 PM  
I went to the Target at Yonge and Steeles in Toronto and it was very clean and well lit.  However, it was completely dead (admittedly the whole mall was) and I think I saw 2 staff members the whole time; one at the cell phone area upstairs and a cashier.

It's not a bad store but there is nothing they offer that encourage me to go out of my way to go there.
 
2013-11-23 02:40:29 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: CraicBaby: It's because Canadians hate anything that isn't Canadian.

Except for American movies, tv, music, food, colloquialisms, sports teams, technology et cetera.


Well, they say they hate everything not Canadian, even though they still spend money on American things. When I lived up there, people were always biatching about American companies coming in and taking over.
 
2013-11-23 03:54:07 PM  

CraicBaby: JasonOfOrillia: CraicBaby: It's because Canadians hate anything that isn't Canadian.

Except for American movies, tv, music, food, colloquialisms, sports teams, technology et cetera.

Well, they say they hate everything not Canadian, even though they still spend money on American things. When I lived up there, people were always biatching about American companies coming in and taking over.


I'm not surprised.  That seems to have gone away a bit.  Our current government has gotten all protection-y with foreign takeovers.  Interesting given that they are conservatives.
 
2013-11-23 04:49:21 PM  

LarryDan43: Target - Hot girls in yoga pants
Walmart - Fat "women" in pajama pants.


Very close to this.

In most areas Walmart has better inventory of specific needs:
"I need a regular light bulb, I'll go to Target"
"I need a light blub that goes inside the fridge, I'll go to Walmart"

"I need something to clean my car, I'll go to Target"
"I need a battery for my car, I'll go to Walmart"

"I need a hook to hang this item, I'll go to Target"
"I need a bunch of hooks to run this Cat 5 cable, I'll go to Walmart"

In food Target wins:
"I want something I can eat, I'll go to Walmart"
"I want something to eat and it's got to be relatively healthy, I'll go to Target"
 
2013-11-23 06:08:20 PM  
They're screwed if they think they can compete with Canadian grocery chains.
 
2013-11-23 06:13:50 PM  
Target Canada president Tony Fisher said Thursday the discount retailer is rapidly getting up to speed on what Canadian consumers want and hopes to start showing better results in 2014.

images.nationalgeographic.com
 
2013-11-23 06:25:41 PM  

Nightjars: if the inventory up in Canada is really THAT bad


It's pretty bad right now. They are way behind in getting the supply pipeline delivering the goods.
 
2013-11-23 07:40:53 PM  
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2013-11-23 08:09:21 PM  

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2013-11-23 08:27:36 PM  

Krieghund: In the US, Target is a little more middle class oriented than Wal-Mart.

The prices aren't quite as cheap, but the store is less crowded, the employees are more helpful, and the other customers are easier to endure.

In short, it's everything I imagine a Canadian Wal-Mart to be.


No, Canadian Wal-Marts are full of trashy customers and trashy employees.
 
2013-11-23 10:51:34 PM  
Yes, Canada. Target is just an ever-so-slightly classier Walmart. Which is about as good as it gets in the states.

It isn't the bottom of the barrel, so yuppies feel that they should shop there for their cheap, cheap crap.
 
2013-11-24 02:25:16 AM  

cfreak: starsrift: I had a local Zellers I would go to for all manner of random household stuff, every now and then. They changed to a Target, and I haven't been. Isn't Target just a Wal-Mart with different owners? Why the hell would I shop there?

/ Canuck

Target attracts a slightly higher class of riff-raff :)

In my area Target is clean and well lit. Doesn't have quite the selection as Wal-Mart but everything there is higher quality stuff. Wal-Mart is dirty, dark and the aisle are too small.  Of course this is Texas so I suppose trashed Wal-Mart is to be expected.


The few times I've gone
To Wal-Marts in Illinois it was like that, too. Also, they never have enough cashiers and their parking lots always have tons of cars. I don't understand it. I have a friend who swears she saw a mouse zipping around in the aisles once.

Targets are usually better lit and have nicer stuff. ("Nicer" being a relative term. They do have a ton of cheap Chinese crap. It seems *nicer,* though, somehow.) As far as I know, there have been no vermin sightings at the local Target.

/also in Texas ::brofist::
 
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