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2013-11-23 01:20:30 AM
Of Gods and Men is damn good, considering the budget.  This pilot idea, though, looks like an unwieldy pastiche' of fanscript cliche's.  And while I like Walter, come on, after all those years, his character would have softened up the "accent"  and made it more subtle. It looks like Voyager joins Section 23 or something.
 
2013-11-23 07:50:32 AM
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
 
2013-11-23 07:52:24 AM
I thought Koenig was wanting for Chekov to die, permanantly, around the time Star Trek V came out.
 
2013-11-23 08:11:50 AM
What a joke.
 
2013-11-23 08:24:37 AM

Any Pie Left: Of Gods and Men is damn good, considering the budget.  This pilot idea, though, looks like an unwieldy pastiche' of fanscript cliche's.  And while I like Walter, come on, after all those years, his character would have softened up the "accent"  and made it more subtle. It looks like Voyager joins Section 23 or something.


Chase Masterson as an Orion slave women: how did that make it into a canon production and why have not more people seen it? The Trek EU ships were cherry on the sundae too, Of Gods and Men was a fun ride.

Hoping they can produce episodes a bit more rapidly than other such efforts :)
 
2013-11-23 08:30:13 AM
Color me interested.
 
2013-11-23 08:33:54 AM
Needs more Shatner.
 
2013-11-23 08:42:54 AM
Better by far than anything coming out of jj's cinematic sphincter.
 
2013-11-23 08:54:38 AM
So Tuvok and Chekov occupy the same time period because of time travel? What a refreshing, imaginative way to shoe horn in a character/actor.
 
2013-11-23 08:57:56 AM

FreakyBunny: So Tuvok and Chekov occupy the same time period because of time travel? What a refreshing, imaginative way to shoe horn in a character/actor.


Or just Vulcan longevity.  Tuvok served under Captain Sulu when he was younger.
 
2013-11-23 09:01:55 AM

Alphax: FreakyBunny: So Tuvok and Chekov occupy the same time period because of time travel? What a refreshing, imaginative way to shoe horn in a character/actor.

Or just Vulcan longevity.  Tuvok served under Captain Sulu when he was younger.


That's probably it. I need a coffee or three.
 
2013-11-23 09:05:09 AM

Alphax: FreakyBunny: So Tuvok and Chekov occupy the same time period because of time travel? What a refreshing, imaginative way to shoe horn in a character/actor.

Or just Vulcan longevity.  Tuvok served under Captain Sulu when he was younger.


This takes place post-Voyager.  Chekov is around 150 years old at that point if we assume no time travel.  Humans live longer in the future due to better nutrition and medical technology.
 
2013-11-23 09:05:27 AM

Alphax: FreakyBunny: So Tuvok and Chekov occupy the same time period because of time travel? What a refreshing, imaginative way to shoe horn in a character/actor.

Or just Vulcan longevity.  Tuvok served under Captain Sulu when he was younger.


In Chekov's case this would be Russian longevity coupled with 24th medicine (I feel they should have done something about what Tuvok and Chekov were doing during the first Cardassian War).
 
2013-11-23 09:28:57 AM
Huh, the captain for this series was Xena's daughter.
 
2013-11-23 09:31:01 AM
I think the "lens flare" jokes have run its course. Time to put them to bed.
 
2013-11-23 09:32:15 AM
Walter Koenig is a terrible actor

/there... I said it
 
2013-11-23 09:36:07 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Walter Koenig is a terrible actor

/there... I said it


Babylon 5 (and given how awesome many of those bit players wre that says something). You gave no point.
 
2013-11-23 09:37:27 AM
You know, every time I watched Star Trek, you know what I used to say to myself?

"I wish there was more Chekov!!"
 
2013-11-23 09:41:33 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Walter Koenig is a terrible actor

/there... I said it

Babylon 5 (and given how awesome many of those bit players wre that says something). You gave no point.


Yeah, I'd often hoped for a Bester spin-off. As an aside, it's probably a good thing he didn't spend more time on that show, considering how many of the cast are dead.
 
2013-11-23 09:50:36 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Walter Koenig is a terrible actor

/there... I said it

Babylon 5 (and given how awesome many of those bit players wre that says something). You gave no point.


Moontrap

/and Bester was supposed to be creepy, so his "acting" played right into it
 
2013-11-23 10:04:46 AM
Star Trek without lens flare? Who permitted such a heresy?
 
2013-11-23 10:08:16 AM
was that a fan-created trailer? because it looked terrible.
 
2013-11-23 10:09:53 AM
Hundreds of years and still no improvement on librarian glasses. At least I'll have my favorite porn when I am unfrozen.
 
2013-11-23 10:22:33 AM
They should totally make the next set of ST movies about this stuff here.  Fark all that excitement and action, let's have some old people talking and shiat.

lol trekkies
 
2013-11-23 10:35:56 AM
I thought Walter Koenig had already returned in the other fan-made series.

/Gary "Soval" Graham at 0:40
 
2013-11-23 10:55:00 AM
Looks like fun, I'll give it a shot. Although I'm having a hard time imagining Chekov making Admiral. Kid's heart was in the right place, but he never seemed like command material.


Alphax: FreakyBunny: So Tuvok and Chekov occupy the same time period because of time travel? What a refreshing, imaginative way to shoe horn in a character/actor.

Or just Vulcan longevity.  Tuvok served under Captain Sulu when he was younger.


But it looks like Tuvok had grey hair in the trailer.
 
2013-11-23 11:10:50 AM
I was told no lens flares... I was lied to!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-23 11:10:54 AM

parkerlewis: I think the "lens flare" jokes have run its course. Time to put them to bed.


They keep themselves up at night. It's hard to sleep with all that lens flare.

Plus, JJ is worthy of any ridicule we can muster.
 
2013-11-23 11:11:52 AM

Mad Tea Party: Looks like fun, I'll give it a shot. Although I'm having a hard time imagining Chekov making Admiral. Kid's heart was in the right place, but he never seemed like command material.


Alphax: FreakyBunny: So Tuvok and Chekov occupy the same time period because of time travel? What a refreshing, imaginative way to shoe horn in a character/actor.

Or just Vulcan longevity.  Tuvok served under Captain Sulu when he was younger.

But it looks like Tuvok had grey hair in the trailer.


They age in reverse, like people from Ork.
 
2013-11-23 11:44:52 AM
I've always been surprised some TV programming assholes didn't come up with a "Star Trek: Academy" series that was some kind of unholy sci-fi 90210 abortion.  Every character would be young and super hot (even the aliens) and every week they'd have adventures involving spiking the punch at space-prom with Romulan ale or alien impregnation scares or getting caught hiding tribbles in a Jefferies tube.  Kimberly Amber Tholian would be the kindly but no-nonsense Principal and Ian Ziering would be the hardass warp drive professor.
 
2013-11-23 11:51:07 AM
Every time something pops up about Renegade I get halfway excited about the concept of a new Star Trek series, before remembering that Renegade looks completely dark, and grim, and full of reckless crew members who don't play by the rules, man! I can just see every episode because this series has been done before. It's like Farscape meets Voyager meets DC's Suicide Squad.

Not to say it would be bad Sci-Fi, just that it would be bad Star Trek.
 
2013-11-23 11:58:51 AM

Will-Mun: Every time something pops up about Renegade I get halfway excited about the concept of a new Star Trek series, before remembering that Renegade looks completely dark, and grim, and full of reckless crew members who don't play by the rules, man! I can just see every episode because this series has been done before. It's like Farscape meets Voyager meets DC's Suicide Squad.

Not to say it would be bad Sci-Fi, just that it would be bad Star Trek.


You forgot Firefly.
 
2013-11-23 12:11:01 PM

derpy: Will-Mun: Every time something pops up about Renegade I get halfway excited about the concept of a new Star Trek series, before remembering that Renegade looks completely dark, and grim, and full of reckless crew members who don't play by the rules, man! I can just see every episode because this series has been done before. It's like Farscape meets Voyager meets DC's Suicide Squad.

Not to say it would be bad Sci-Fi, just that it would be bad Star Trek.

You forgot Firefly.


That I did! The unlikely crew has been DONE before. As mentioned, even Star Trek did this with Voyager and the Maquis, I mean it didn't do anything for the series since by episode 3 all the Maquis were all just Starfleet Officers with field commission pips, but that's only cause Voyager kind of sucked.
 
2013-11-23 12:29:25 PM

serial_crusher: Alphax: FreakyBunny: So Tuvok and Chekov occupy the same time period because of time travel? What a refreshing, imaginative way to shoe horn in a character/actor.

Or just Vulcan longevity.  Tuvok served under Captain Sulu when he was younger.

This takes place post-Voyager.  Chekov is around 150 years old at that point if we assume no time travel.  Humans live longer in the future due to better nutrition and medical technology.


Thanks Obama.
 
2013-11-23 12:44:02 PM

Will-Mun: Every time something pops up about Renegade I get halfway excited about the concept of a new Star Trek series, before remembering that Renegade looks completely dark, and grim, and full of reckless crew members who don't play by the rules, man! I can just see every episode because this series has been done before. It's like Farscape meets Voyager meets DC's Suicide Squad.

Not to say it would be bad Sci-Fi, just that it would be bad Star Trek.


I always thought DS9 was Starfleet's version of alternitive ed.
 
2013-11-23 12:53:59 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Crotchrocket Slim: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Walter Koenig is a terrible actor

/there... I said it

Babylon 5 (and given how awesome many of those bit players wre that says something). You gave no point.

Moontrap

/and Bester was supposed to be creepy, so his "acting" played right into it


Hey, I never said he had awesome range.

And it's been years since I saw Moontrap late night on TV but I recall his performance not being one of the movies weak points even after accepting that they set out to make it as goofy as possible.
 
2013-11-23 12:57:43 PM

Aquapope: I've always been surprised some TV programming assholes didn't come up with a "Star Trek: Academy" series that was some kind of unholy sci-fi 90210 abortion.  Every character would be young and super hot (even the aliens) and every week they'd have adventures involving spiking the punch at space-prom with Romulan ale or alien impregnation scares or getting caught hiding tribbles in a Jefferies tube.  Kimberly Amber Tholian would be the kindly but no-nonsense Principal and Ian Ziering would be the hardass warp drive professor.


It needs Jason Priestly as a formerly hotshot would-be captain in the same moulde as Jum Kirk but his career went astray after he knocked up a space farmer's blonde daughter and it created an interstellar incident. Bonus if he's a drunk and a decent shuttle pilot especially while drunk.
 
2013-11-23 01:11:27 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: Aquapope: I've always been surprised some TV programming assholes didn't come up with a "Star Trek: Academy" series that was some kind of unholy sci-fi 90210 abortion.  Every character would be young and super hot (even the aliens) and every week they'd have adventures involving spiking the punch at space-prom with Romulan ale or alien impregnation scares or getting caught hiding tribbles in a Jefferies tube.  Kimberly Amber Tholian would be the kindly but no-nonsense Principal and Ian Ziering would be the hardass warp drive professor.

It needs Jason Priestly as a formerly hotshot would-be captain in the same moulde as Jum Kirk but his career went astray after he knocked up a space farmer's blonde daughter and it created an interstellar incident. Bonus if he's a drunk and a decent shuttle pilot especially while drunk.


I hate you iPhone autocorrect. How the hell do you spindle the name "Jim Kirk"?
 
2013-11-23 01:14:21 PM

Vash's Apprentice: Will-Mun: Every time something pops up about Renegade I get halfway excited about the concept of a new Star Trek series, before remembering that Renegade looks completely dark, and grim, and full of reckless crew members who don't play by the rules, man! I can just see every episode because this series has been done before. It's like Farscape meets Voyager meets DC's Suicide Squad.

Not to say it would be bad Sci-Fi, just that it would be bad Star Trek.

I always thought DS9 was Starfleet's version of alternitive ed.


Star Trek as a whole became a new world after Wolf 359 (the first full on attack from the Borg in the Alpha Quadrant. Till then Borg scooped up entire colonies on the boarder and vanished.) Starfleet became more militarized, more concerned with active defense instead of being a Galactic Peace Corps. This wasn't inherently bad, since the remainder of Next Gen was still very much about the Federation as a whole being peaceful. Just more wary of their own failings.

Moral quandaries became more prevalent in Deep Space 9 and Voyager, Voyager got away with it being the nature of the show (being stranded in the Galactic equivalent of Hillbilly country) and sometimes bad writing, IE Tuvix. They also had the Maqui, which as I mentioned previously, they didn't DO anything with.

Deep Space 9 was on the frontier, it was on the skirting edge of Federation space. This is where "darker" stories began to emerge, the Maqui (which were created for Voyager) actually had something to do, the looming threat of Borg and Domninion attack had everyone on edge... Hell, the series didn't in truth become a moral grey show until there was full on war.

Maybe I'm just being a hint of a fanboy, but darkness in Star Trek really is a razor's edge. You have to be very careful in telling a dark story in a series that in it'self is supposed to be optimistic about the future. DS9 got dark, very dark, but it was all about the complacency of the Federation as a peaceful coalition of planets, and the pointlessness of war. It was about what a good man must do to protect others in times of need... And hell some people even despised those aspects of DS9.

In the end, Renegade just doesn't FEEL Trek to me. The DS9 episode In The Pale Moonlight took a hideously dark situation like necessary murder, and showed how much it utterly destroyed Sisko, how much he repulsed himself, and in the end he said he would do it again without hesitation.

I don't think Renegade will have that much reverence for the subject. I just see a bunch of smirking smug "outcasts" who will snark their way through dark stories.

But hey, maybe I'm wrong. Hope they put the pilot out to the public.
 
2013-11-23 01:38:18 PM

Will-Mun: Maybe I'm just being a hint of a fanboy, but darkness in Star Trek really is a razor's edge. You have to be very careful in telling a dark story in a series that in it'self is supposed to be optimistic about the future. DS9 got dark, very dark, but it was all about the complacency of the Federation as a peaceful coalition of planets, and the pointlessness of war. It was about what a good man must do to protect others in times of need... And hell some people even despised those aspects of DS9.


This pretty much sums up my problems with Star Trek going into dark territory.  I think the optimism of the show can be  a strength.  It is like Superman and Batman.  Batman flirts with the edge of darkness, Superman stands out as a paragon of "good".  The Donner Superman was just that: great because Superman was the good guy, unabashedly.  TOS and the TNG were best when they were about promise and ideals, whether fulfilled or not.

About the only sci-fi I can think of that did darkness right was the first few seasons of the BSG reboot.  Babylon 5 did a decent job as well, though I think it got muddled at times.  I think there are opportunities in other SciFi franchises (The Star Wars "1313" game that got cancelled being one option), but for the most part sci-fi has been about possibility, not failure
 
2013-11-23 01:56:51 PM
I'd rather see a new series featuring George Takei. After retiring from Starfleet, Sulu opens an LGBT bar in lovely downtown San Francisco near the academy . Fabulous hijinx ensues.
 
2013-11-23 03:11:20 PM

deschinc: I'd rather see a new series featuring George Takei. After retiring from Starfleet, Sulu opens an LGBT bar in lovely downtown San Francisco near the academy . Fabulous hijinx ensues.


Sulu was SUPPOSED to get his own series, Star Trek Excelsior... It would have been fantastic, a sort of bridge between TOS and Movie era and the modern Trek. I'm not exactly sure what happened, but we instead ended up with... Enterprise. Followed soon after with the death of Star Trek on screen until JJ decided to jam a power cord into it's corpse to see how long he could make it twitch.

As for the LGBT bar, no go. As far as could be told, Sulu in the series is unfortunately straight. He has a daughter.
 
2013-11-23 03:17:17 PM

Will-Mun: deschinc: I'd rather see a new series featuring George Takei. After retiring from Starfleet, Sulu opens an LGBT bar in lovely downtown San Francisco near the academy . Fabulous hijinx ensues.

Sulu was SUPPOSED to get his own series, Star Trek Excelsior... It would have been fantastic, a sort of bridge between TOS and Movie era and the modern Trek. I'm not exactly sure what happened, but we instead ended up with... Enterprise. Followed soon after with the death of Star Trek on screen until JJ decided to jam a power cord into it's corpse to see how long he could make it twitch.

As for the LGBT bar, no go. As far as could be told, Sulu in the series is unfortunately straight. He has a daughter.


Network execs probably got cold feet. The timing of that wouldn't be far off from when Kung Fu happened, and that was supposed to have Bruce Lee as the star, but the networks were afraid of putting a non-white as the lead.
 
2013-11-23 03:53:57 PM

Will-Mun: Vash's Apprentice: Will-Mun: Every time something pops up about Renegade I get halfway excited about the concept of a new Star Trek series, before remembering that Renegade looks completely dark, and grim, and full of reckless crew members who don't play by the rules, man! I can just see every episode because this series has been done before. It's like Farscape meets Voyager meets DC's Suicide Squad.

Not to say it would be bad Sci-Fi, just that it would be bad Star Trek.

I always thought DS9 was Starfleet's version of alternitive ed.

Star Trek as a whole became a new world after Wolf 359 (the first full on attack from the Borg in the Alpha Quadrant. Till then Borg scooped up entire colonies on the boarder and vanished.) Starfleet became more militarized, more concerned with active defense instead of being a Galactic Peace Corps. This wasn't inherently bad, since the remainder of Next Gen was still very much about the Federation as a whole being peaceful. Just more wary of their own failings.

Moral quandaries became more prevalent in Deep Space 9 and Voyager, Voyager got away with it being the nature of the show (being stranded in the Galactic equivalent of Hillbilly country) and sometimes bad writing, IE Tuvix. They also had the Maqui, which as I mentioned previously, they didn't DO anything with.

Deep Space 9 was on the frontier, it was on the skirting edge of Federation space. This is where "darker" stories began to emerge, the Maqui (which were created for Voyager) actually had something to do, the looming threat of Borg and Domninion attack had everyone on edge... Hell, the series didn't in truth become a moral grey show until there was full on war.

Maybe I'm just being a hint of a fanboy, but darkness in Star Trek really is a razor's edge. You have to be very careful in telling a dark story in a series that in it'self is supposed to be optimistic about the future. DS9 got dark, very dark, but it was all about the complacency of the Federation as a peacefu ...


In my opinion, 'In the Pale Moonlight' distills the ST universe down to its basics.  Here's a man with the means, opportunity and motivation to save hundreds, if not thousands, of worlds from tyranny and death and he's 'anguished' over the fact that it requires the death of an almost-enemy and a criminal and the loss of his own self-respect.

In today's age, most military men would 'die' for such an opportunity if they were put in such a situation.  And here's Benjamin Sisko who's tormented by his own conscious and integrity.  Yes, it's a dark episode in a series where Starfleet does bad things every so often, but it's 'his' reaction to this plan of his that displays the 'best' parts of humanity.

He's agonized over the fact that he's an accessory to murder, covered up crimes, maybe even allowed a controlled substance get out of starfleet hands and into unknown hands where it become a dreadful WMD, and yet he goes through with to the last, even as he hates what he's doing and what he's become.

In the end, it's not what he does that matters so much as how he reacts to the consequences.  Most men today would write off those consequences as a necessity, the unfortunate after effects of a plan to save the Federation and its allies.  To him, it's a living hell of regret and remorse and yet, at the end of it all, he knows he'd do it again even knowing how the guilt would tear at him.

That's why DS9 was, to me, the best that ST had to offer.
 
2013-11-23 04:34:14 PM
How to act in a fan-made film:

1) Freeze face into an impassive unreadable mask that displays no particular emotion at all
2) Flare nostrils
 
2013-11-23 05:22:58 PM
Wow.... Surprised to see love for Of Gods and Men here.

Since it was such a rancid piece of crap.
 
2013-11-23 05:25:39 PM

SpdrJay: Wow.... Surprised to see love for Of Gods and Men here.

Since it was such a rancid piece of crap.


I'm watching it now.  It's not as bad as I thought it would be, but I'm tending to agree.
 
2013-11-23 06:16:04 PM

serial_crusher: SpdrJay: Wow.... Surprised to see love for Of Gods and Men here.

Since it was such a rancid piece of crap.

I'm watching it now.  It's not as bad as I thought it would be, but I'm tending to agree.


It is what it is and I think fans are a bit more forgiving of it considering how it was produced, and why.

I can't think of many other franchises who have fan-produced content and have the original professional cast members want anything to do with it, let alone be a part of the production staff (as far as I know Tim "Tuvok" Russ directed Of Gods and Men and is doing similar with Renegades). I'm doubting we'll be seeing Benjamin Bratt in any Law & Order fan productions for example.
 
2013-11-23 07:10:28 PM

Alphax: FreakyBunny: So Tuvok and Chekov occupy the same time period because of time travel? What a refreshing, imaginative way to shoe horn in a character/actor.

Or just Vulcan longevity.  Tuvok served under Captain Sulu when he was younger.


He was also in the movie Star Trek: Generations, on the Enterprise B, but the credits just have Tim Russ listed as Lieutenant.
 
2013-11-23 07:17:30 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: Aquapope: I've always been surprised some TV programming assholes didn't come up with a "Star Trek: Academy" series that was some kind of unholy sci-fi 90210 abortion.  Every character would be young and super hot (even the aliens) and every week they'd have adventures involving spiking the punch at space-prom with Romulan ale or alien impregnation scares or getting caught hiding tribbles in a Jefferies tube.  Kimberly Amber Tholian would be the kindly but no-nonsense Principal and Ian Ziering would be the hardass warp drive professor.

It needs Jason Priestly as a formerly hotshot would-be captain in the same moulde as Jum Kirk but his career went astray after he knocked up a space farmer's blonde daughter and it created an interstellar incident. Bonus if he's a drunk and a decent shuttle pilot especially while drunk.


Quick, call up the Screenwriters guild.  This needs to happen.  I would watch it over just about anything the reality idiots are putting on now.
 
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