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2013-11-22 11:39:02 PM
"The next time you want to walk by a homeless person, imagine them as affluent, well-dressed people, and see if this will make you stop."

I do and it doesn't, but I sleep better at night knowing those affluent people I imagined will be just fine.
 
2013-11-22 11:40:02 PM
What was the point of that? The Salvation Army doesn't send out winos to ring the bells at Christmas.
 
2013-11-22 11:41:39 PM
If you've ever lived in a big city, read this book.

aidanmoher.com
 
2013-11-22 11:42:47 PM
My sign read "I won't sh*t on that restaurant's display window or push you in front of an oncoming train, but I'm collecting for someone who will."
 
2013-11-22 11:44:49 PM
In the spirit of the season!!!!

"Are there no PRISONS? Are there no WORKHOUSES?"
 
2013-11-22 11:45:19 PM
Has nothing to do with visual biases. I'm more likely to donate to someone who doesn't look like they're going to spend it on booze or drugs as soon as they get enough change.
 
2013-11-22 11:45:29 PM

Stoj: My sign read "I won't sh*t on that restaurant's display window or push you in front of an oncoming train, but I'm collecting for someone who will."


Your sign read "I'm a dick and I believe in stereotypes so I'll take your money and put it in my pocket but you already knew that."
 
2013-11-22 11:45:45 PM
This is a brilliant idea... Just like in banking, you don't give money to someone who desperately needs it.

Stoj: My sign read "I won't sh*t on that restaurant's display window or push you in front of an oncoming train, but I'm collecting for someone who will."


I'm diggin' your style.
 
2013-11-22 11:45:47 PM

whatshisname: What was the point of that? The Salvation Army doesn't send out winos to ring the bells at Christmas.


I've seen homeless people working the pot around here. Also a lot of people who are living in the local halfway house. And some guy with a pet goat that my dog is afraid of. He's not homeless or anything, he just has a goat that scares my dog.
 
2013-11-22 11:48:04 PM

Gyrfalcon: Stoj: My sign read "I won't sh*t on that restaurant's display window or push you in front of an oncoming train, but I'm collecting for someone who will."

Your sign read "I'm a dick and I believe in stereotypes so I'll take your money and put it in my pocket but you already knew that."


I am a dick, no doubt, but if you've never seen a homeless man shiat on a window then I recommend you spend some time in Chicago.
 
2013-11-22 11:48:19 PM
Huh, nothing about bootstraps for people who don't have them?
 
2013-11-22 11:49:43 PM

Awesome T-Shirt: Has nothing to do with visual biases. I'm more likely to donate to someone who doesn't look like....


LOLOLOL

/that was a joke, right?
 
2013-11-22 11:50:17 PM
The new derelicte campaign looks awful
 
2013-11-22 11:51:40 PM

Awesome T-Shirt: Has nothing to do with visual biases. I'm more likely to donate to someone who doesn't look like they're going to spend it on booze or drugs as soon as they get enough change.


Yeah, pretty much. It's the difference between donating to a charity that helps the homeless and donating directly to homeless people (which many homeless charities will tell you explicitly not to do).
 
2013-11-22 11:51:40 PM
I more like the campaign which buys second hand Abercrombe and Fitch and gives them to the homeless rather than allowing their shadow-buyers to purchase the stuff and destroy it.
 
2013-11-22 11:55:49 PM
fark em.  Been there.  Survived that.  There are dozens of places in every metro area that will shelter, clean up, and detox those who need it.  There are many more people at the end of those places who will willingly care for you while you sort out how to become a productive member of society.  There is a choice: either be preached to, or go to a place with behavior modification.  The VA can and will place vets in rehabs all over the US, provided a bed is available.  Many of the places that take people keep afloat because the VA gives them so much per veteran they care for.

/They fill up every winter, though, with homeless that want 3 hots and a cot for about 4 months
//spike in petty crime, too.  Same reason
 
2013-11-22 11:56:23 PM

fusillade762: Awesome T-Shirt: Has nothing to do with visual biases. I'm more likely to donate to someone who doesn't look like they're going to spend it on booze or drugs as soon as they get enough change.

Yeah, pretty much. It's the difference between donating to a charity that helps the homeless and donating directly to homeless people (which many homeless charities will tell you explicitly not to do).


During the last mini-heat wave we had, I was on my way to the train, saw these two homeless dudes just laying in the shade on the sidewalk, sweating balls. I went into the store, bought two ice cold gatorades, two giant ice cold beers, and two packs of smokes, tossed them into separate bags, & handed them to these guys.

I don't care if they buy booze, smokes, whatever. I used to, but fark not anymore. Most of them will never, ever, ever get the help they need.
 
2013-11-22 11:57:49 PM
sorry, replace the first "need" with "want"
 
2013-11-22 11:59:32 PM

Stoj: Most of them will never, ever, ever get the help they need.


You know, if you give a homeless man a dollar, that alcohol will make him warm for an hour.
BUT, and hear me out with this, if you shoot him in the face with a .45, he won't care if it's cold or not.

I think the choice is obvious.
 
2013-11-23 12:02:41 AM

hardinparamedic: Stoj: Most of them will never, ever, ever get the help they need.

You know, if you give a homeless man a dollar, that alcohol will make him warm for an hour.
BUT, and hear me out with this, if you shoot him in the face with a .45, he won't care if it's cold or not.

I think the choice is obvious.


There's no way I could shoot someone in the face like that.

I have no gun, for one thing.

I'm sure there are other reasons.
 
2013-11-23 12:03:33 AM

hardinparamedic: Stoj: Most of them will never, ever, ever get the help they need.

You know, if you give a homeless man a dollar, that alcohol will make him warm for an hour.
BUT, and hear me out with this, if you shoot him in the face with a .45, he won't care if it's cold or not.

I think the choice is obvious.


How long were you homeless? Sounds like it was for a long time.
 
2013-11-23 12:04:54 AM

Stoj: Gyrfalcon: Stoj: My sign read "I won't sh*t on that restaurant's display window or push you in front of an oncoming train, but I'm collecting for someone who will."

Your sign read "I'm a dick and I believe in stereotypes so I'll take your money and put it in my pocket but you already knew that."

I am a dick, no doubt, but if you've never seen a homeless man shiat on a window then I recommend you spend some time in Chicago.


That's doesn't seem like a strong recommendation to spend time in your city.
 
2013-11-23 12:05:09 AM

fusillade762: Yeah, pretty much. It's the difference between donating to a charity that helps the homeless and donating directly to homeless people (which many homeless charities will tell you explicitly not to do).


Heads of nonprofits can't draw a salary from the money you give straight to a homeless dude.
 
2013-11-23 12:10:59 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Stoj: Gyrfalcon: Stoj: My sign read "I won't sh*t on that restaurant's display window or push you in front of an oncoming train, but I'm collecting for someone who will."

Your sign read "I'm a dick and I believe in stereotypes so I'll take your money and put it in my pocket but you already knew that."

I am a dick, no doubt, but if you've never seen a homeless man shiat on a window then I recommend you spend some time in Chicago.

That's doesn't seem like a strong recommendation to spend time in your city.


The city is great - tons to do here. Just that working downtown every day for over 15 years - you see it all at some point.

I used to have a homeless nemesis. She'd threaten my life every single day. I'd be in a group of like 10 smokers, and she'd single me out even. She wore a plastic shopping bag on one foot, and she kinda grew on me after a while.

/miss you, Bagfoot
 
2013-11-23 12:11:49 AM
The homeless are scum.  They are the bottom of the barrel of humanity.  They're the people who have everything going against them.  They are drug addicts or alcoholics, mentally disturbed, and on top of that are irresponsible assholes.  Most homeless people have had a home at some point recently.  They lost it because they were scumbags.  If you let a homeless man sleep on your couch, you can count on the fact that he will get drunk off his ass, trash your place, piss in your sink, vomit on the floor, and then sell your tv for money for more alcohol.  Also, he'll molest any women or children in the house, or possibly your dog.

If you somehow found yourself with no money and no home, would you sit on a park bench and beg for change?  Of course you wouldn't.  You'd go move in with friends or family members.  Homeless people have already burned all their bridges with all their friends and family members.  Their friends and family members know better than to let them stay with them.  Because they're scum.

As they are still human, it makes sense to have soup kitchens and the like for them, rather than just letting them starve.  Don't give them any money, though, they will spend it all on drugs or alcohol.
 
2013-11-23 12:13:09 AM

SuperTramp: How long were you homeless? Sounds like it was for a long time.


For a while. But then, Rudy Guiliani came to me. He proposed a solution. The details of which are so sinister I cannot share with you.

I still hear their screams when I close my eyes. The smell of burning MD 2020 bottles and human flesh. The things we did that day in that small corner of Northwest Central Park will forever haunt my dreams.

Of course, Bloomberg knew. He knew all a long. He was the one doing the coup de graces.

We were JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS, MAN. WE WERE KIDS.
 
2013-11-23 12:18:12 AM

2chris2: The homeless are scum.  They are the bottom of the barrel of humanity.  They're the people who have everything going against them.  They are drug addicts or alcoholics, mentally disturbed, and on top of that are irresponsible assholes.  Most homeless people have had a home at some point recently.  They lost it because they were scumbags.  If you let a homeless man sleep on your couch, you can count on the fact that he will get drunk off his ass, trash your place, piss in your sink, vomit on the floor, and then sell your tv for money for more alcohol.  Also, he'll molest any women or children in the house, or possibly your dog.

If you somehow found yourself with no money and no home, would you sit on a park bench and beg for change?  Of course you wouldn't.  You'd go move in with friends or family members.  Homeless people have already burned all their bridges with all their friends and family members.  Their friends and family members know better than to let them stay with them.  Because they're scum.

As they are still human, it makes sense to have soup kitchens and the like for them, rather than just letting them starve.  Don't give them any money, though, they will spend it all on drugs or alcohol.


0/10
 
2013-11-23 12:21:20 AM

2chris2: The homeless are scum.  They are the bottom of the barrel of humanity.  They're the people who have everything going against them.  They are drug addicts or alcoholics, mentally disturbed, and on top of that are irresponsible assholes.  Most homeless people have had a home at some point recently.  They lost it because they were scumbags.  If you let a homeless man sleep on your couch, you can count on the fact that he will get drunk off his ass, trash your place, piss in your sink, vomit on the floor, and then sell your tv for money for more alcohol.  Also, he'll molest any women or children in the house, or possibly your dog.

If you somehow found yourself with no money and no home, would you sit on a park bench and beg for change?  Of course you wouldn't.  You'd go move in with friends or family members.  Homeless people have already burned all their bridges with all their friends and family members.  Their friends and family members know better than to let them stay with them.  Because they're scum.

As they are still human, it makes sense to have soup kitchens and the like for them, rather than just letting them starve.  Don't give them any money, though, they will spend it all on drugs or alcohol.


There was a reporter in Chicago some years ago who spent some time on the street to report what it was like to be homeless, they had to stop the series after a few days because he was starting to lost his sanity.

I hope and pray that you never become homeless.
 
2013-11-23 12:21:58 AM

whatshisname: 2chris2: The homeless are scum.  They are the bottom of the barrel of humanity.  They're the people who have everything going against them.  They are drug addicts or alcoholics, mentally disturbed, and on top of that are irresponsible assholes.  Most homeless people have had a home at some point recently.  They lost it because they were scumbags.  If you let a homeless man sleep on your couch, you can count on the fact that he will get drunk off his ass, trash your place, piss in your sink, vomit on the floor, and then sell your tv for money for more alcohol.  Also, he'll molest any women or children in the house, or possibly your dog.

If you somehow found yourself with no money and no home, would you sit on a park bench and beg for change?  Of course you wouldn't.  You'd go move in with friends or family members.  Homeless people have already burned all their bridges with all their friends and family members.  Their friends and family members know better than to let them stay with them.  Because they're scum.

As they are still human, it makes sense to have soup kitchens and the like for them, rather than just letting them starve.  Don't give them any money, though, they will spend it all on drugs or alcohol.

0/10


Yeah, was about to post obvioustroll.jpg. Trolling in my day ...
 
2013-11-23 12:22:40 AM
Oh, you mean people try to avoid social contact with someone who smells of urine and stale whiskey, and are more willing to approach someone who looks like they dont have six invisible friends in their heads? im shocked.
 
2013-11-23 12:22:43 AM

2chris2: The homeless are scum.  They are the bottom of the barrel of humanity.  They're the people who have everything going against them.  They are drug addicts or alcoholics, mentally disturbed, and on top of that are irresponsible assholes.  Most homeless people have had a home at some point recently.  They lost it because they were scumbags.  If you let a homeless man sleep on your couch, you can count on the fact that he will get drunk off his ass, trash your place, piss in your sink, vomit on the floor, and then sell your tv for money for more alcohol.  Also, he'll molest any women or children in the house, or possibly your dog.

If you somehow found yourself with no money and no home, would you sit on a park bench and beg for change?  Of course you wouldn't.  You'd go move in with friends or family members.  Homeless people have already burned all their bridges with all their friends and family members.  Their friends and family members know better than to let them stay with them.  Because they're scum.

As they are still human, it makes sense to have soup kitchens and the like for them, rather than just letting them starve.  Don't give them any money, though, they will spend it all on drugs or alcohol.


Actually, the majority of people who are "homeless" in the traditional sense are mentally ill, and use drugs and alcohol to self medicate. They're also that way because we live in a nation where, 30 years ago, a certain someone decided that the best way to solve the problems with the mental healthcare system was to kick everyone out on the street who wasn't a drooling vegetable.

But don't let reality stop your diatribe.
 
2013-11-23 12:23:03 AM
My cousin was homeless, he passed away several years ago.

He wasn't unloved. His sisters loved him very very much. He was schizophrenic. He was severely schizophrenic and didn't respond to medication. The biggest fear his sisters had was that he would disappear and they would never know what happened. He died in his 40s. Alcoholism also runs in the family, but he was also self medicating because of his mental illness.

He was homeless in the Boston area. It was thanks to the kindness of strangers and organizations (most of which are religiously based) that he didn't freeze to death. That he had a warm coat in winter. That he didn't starve.

It wasn't that he was unwelcome in the homes of his relatives. He wasn't. He simply could not function, he was too sick. He wouldn't stay. I think it was more that he couldn't.

He passed away in a hospital, surrounded by family who loved him. He was lucid at the end, and was able to interact very clearly with his sisters.

My cousin wasn't a scumbag. He wasn't a piece of trash. He was an extremely intelligent and sensitive man. I remember him before he got sick. I was one of the few people who were almost physically hurt by him (he almost took me down a flight of stairs during my grandmother's funeral, he threw himself down the stairs after telling me something very bizarre). It frightened me as a little girl, but I knew even then something was wrong. It wasn't him.

Those of you who aren't incapacitated and yet speak with such contempt at the most vulnerable in our society...you're the farking scumbags. It's easy to love and care about people who demand nothing of you, that's easy. How do you fare when things get tough? I bet you're fairweather folk...and I hope you never face adversity where you need the understanding and compassion you're clearly incapable of.
 
2013-11-23 12:25:48 AM
Lady Indica: Truth.

Sarcasm aside, my uncle was like that. He refused to take the seroquel and depakote that stabilized his moods because it made him feel like a zombie. So he was a violent, schizophrenic, bipolar man who abused pot, meth, and alcohol to balance out his moods.

He ended up losing everything. Homeless, not by choice, but because he threatened to kill me and my grandmother, and then attacked my mom when she threatened to call the police.

The only reason we know he's alive now, 10 years later, is because he called six months ago to apologize to my Mom since he was forced by the courts into treatment.
 
2013-11-23 12:26:00 AM

Gyrfalcon: Stoj: My sign read "I won't sh*t on that restaurant's display window or push you in front of an oncoming train, but I'm collecting for someone who will."

Your sign read "I'm a dick and I believe in stereotypes so I'll take your money and put it in my pocket but you already knew that."


I know nobody in LA takes the train, but in NY, getting pushed onto the tracks by some random skell is a real issue we had to deal with. Its also a local pastime for the mentally disturbed here to smash people over the heads with loose bricks and street cobblestones downtown.
 
2013-11-23 12:32:35 AM
The problem is trying to draw a single conclusion when it's obvious that homeless are many different people:

temporarily down on their luck (lost job, etc)
permanently sponging off society on purpose (parasites and thieves)
mentally ill (can't maintain, despite efforts on all sides)
someone entertaining themselves with a different "lifestyle" (it took me four days to hitchhike from Saginaw...)
etc

Come up with one solution and you've missed the reality.
 
2013-11-23 12:33:14 AM
Diffusion of responsibility in reverse.

In this case, the person assumes that the other person takes has taken the risk of getting ripped off by an undeserving person (not really homeless, drug addict, or whatever other reason you might think someone doesn't deserve a handout), and judged it acceptable, so the first person is more likely to donate.
 
2013-11-23 12:39:24 AM

2chris2: The homeless are scum.  They are the bottom of the barrel of humanity.  They're the people who have everything going against them.  They are drug addicts or alcoholics, mentally disturbed, and on top of that are irresponsible assholes.  Most homeless people have had a home at some point recently.  They lost it because they were scumbags.  If you let a homeless man sleep on your couch, you can count on the fact that he will get drunk off his ass, trash your place, piss in your sink, vomit on the floor, and then sell your tv for money for more alcohol.  Also, he'll molest any women or children in the house, or possibly your dog.

If you somehow found yourself with no money and no home, would you sit on a park bench and beg for change?  Of course you wouldn't.  You'd go move in with friends or family members.  Homeless people have already burned all their bridges with all their friends and family members.  Their friends and family members know better than to let them stay with them.  Because they're scum.

As they are still human, it makes sense to have soup kitchens and the like for them, rather than just letting them starve.  Don't give them any money, though, they will spend it all on drugs or alcohol.


I knew several homeless vets who were some of the most honorable people you will ever meet.  All of them were victims of their circumstances.  Ever wake up in the middle of the night thinking you're in grenada? Iraq? Afghanistan?  Ever get surprised by a noise and suddenly you are in the sh*t, back in that shiathole of a country that cost you so many friends' lives? No? The sit down and STFU. Douche.

/crappy troll, too
//known some of the worst vets who have been dishonorably discharged for narcotics, sex crimes, and worse, so they run the gamut, just like the rest of us
 
2013-11-23 12:40:58 AM
No homeless out here. Unless you count Dave Albeck, a local farrier whose wife kicked him out for falling off the wagon.
 
2013-11-23 12:59:51 AM

Lady Indica: My cousin was homeless, he passed away several years ago.

He wasn't unloved. His sisters loved him very very much. He was schizophrenic. He was severely schizophrenic and didn't respond to medication. The biggest fear his sisters had was that he would disappear and they would never know what happened. He died in his 40s. Alcoholism also runs in the family, but he was also self medicating because of his mental illness.

He was homeless in the Boston area. It was thanks to the kindness of strangers and organizations (most of which are religiously based) that he didn't freeze to death. That he had a warm coat in winter. That he didn't starve.

It wasn't that he was unwelcome in the homes of his relatives. He wasn't. He simply could not function, he was too sick. He wouldn't stay. I think it was more that he couldn't.

He passed away in a hospital, surrounded by family who loved him. He was lucid at the end, and was able to interact very clearly with his sisters.

My cousin wasn't a scumbag. He wasn't a piece of trash. He was an extremely intelligent and sensitive man. I remember him before he got sick. I was one of the few people who were almost physically hurt by him (he almost took me down a flight of stairs during my grandmother's funeral, he threw himself down the stairs after telling me something very bizarre). It frightened me as a little girl, but I knew even then something was wrong. It wasn't him.

Those of you who aren't incapacitated and yet speak with such contempt at the most vulnerable in our society...you're the farking scumbags. It's easy to love and care about people who demand nothing of you, that's easy. How do you fare when things get tough? I bet you're fairweather folk...and I hope you never face adversity where you need the understanding and compassion you're clearly incapable of.


Found my uncle in Penn Station in NYC after five years of no contact, He lost everything, an art gallery in San Fran and NYC... needless to say once we found him, we as a family helped to right himself. He's now working at a good Broadway theater as a usher with a place to call home.

/Broadway brat
 
2013-11-23 01:05:31 AM
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Don't teach a man a fish and you feed yourself. He's a grown man and fishing's not that hard.

// Ron Swanson
/// just kidding
 
2013-11-23 01:20:44 AM

Lady Indica: My cousin was homeless, he passed away several years ago.

He wasn't unloved. His sisters loved him very very much. He was schizophrenic. He was severely schizophrenic and didn't respond to medication. The biggest fear his sisters had was that he would disappear and they would never know what happened. He died in his 40s. Alcoholism also runs in the family, but he was also self medicating because of his mental illness.

He was homeless in the Boston area. It was thanks to the kindness of strangers and organizations (most of which are religiously based) that he didn't freeze to death. That he had a warm coat in winter. That he didn't starve.

It wasn't that he was unwelcome in the homes of his relatives. He wasn't. He simply could not function, he was too sick. He wouldn't stay. I think it was more that he couldn't.

He passed away in a hospital, surrounded by family who loved him. He was lucid at the end, and was able to interact very clearly with his sisters.

My cousin wasn't a scumbag. He wasn't a piece of trash. He was an extremely intelligent and sensitive man. I remember him before he got sick. I was one of the few people who were almost physically hurt by him (he almost took me down a flight of stairs during my grandmother's funeral, he threw himself down the stairs after telling me something very bizarre). It frightened me as a little girl, but I knew even then something was wrong. It wasn't him.

Those of you who aren't incapacitated and yet speak with such contempt at the most vulnerable in our society...you're the farking scumbags. It's easy to love and care about people who demand nothing of you, that's easy. How do you fare when things get tough? I bet you're fairweather folk...and I hope you never face adversity where you need the understanding and compassion you're clearly incapable of.


This...is probably the single best post ive EVER read on fark.

Seriously.
 
2013-11-23 01:31:10 AM

Lady Indica: My cousin was homeless, he passed away several years ago.

He wasn't unloved. His sisters loved him very very much. He was schizophrenic. He was severely schizophrenic and didn't respond to medication. The biggest fear his sisters had was that he would disappear and they would never know what happened. He died in his 40s. Alcoholism also runs in the family, but he was also self medicating because of his mental illness.

He was homeless in the Boston area. It was thanks to the kindness of strangers and organizations (most of which are religiously based) that he didn't freeze to death. That he had a warm coat in winter. That he didn't starve.

It wasn't that he was unwelcome in the homes of his relatives. He wasn't. He simply could not function, he was too sick. He wouldn't stay. I think it was more that he couldn't.

He passed away in a hospital, surrounded by family who loved him. He was lucid at the end, and was able to interact very clearly with his sisters.

My cousin wasn't a scumbag. He wasn't a piece of trash. He was an extremely intelligent and sensitive man. I remember him before he got sick. I was one of the few people who were almost physically hurt by him (he almost took me down a flight of stairs during my grandmother's funeral, he threw himself down the stairs after telling me something very bizarre). It frightened me as a little girl, but I knew even then something was wrong. It wasn't him.

Those of you who aren't incapacitated and yet speak with such contempt at the most vulnerable in our society...you're the farking scumbags. It's easy to love and care about people who demand nothing of you, that's easy. How do you fare when things get tough? I bet you're fairweather folk...and I hope you never face adversity where you need the understanding and compassion you're clearly incapable of.

Thanks for sharing your tragic story about your mentally ill, homeless cousin.  The homeless probably face the most social stigma of any of the "downtrodden" groups in our society and many believe it's still socially acceptable to stereotype them and malign them.  Our elected officials rarely mention them, especially our national leaders.  Perhaps if your brother survived a few more years some of the new drugs available to treat schizoprenia would have allowed him to have a decent life.

 
2013-11-23 01:41:01 AM

dmax: The problem is trying to draw a single conclusion when it's obvious that homeless are many different people:

temporarily down on their luck (lost job, etc)
permanently sponging off society on purpose (parasites and thieves)
mentally ill (can't maintain, despite efforts on all sides)
someone entertaining themselves with a different "lifestyle" (it took me four days to hitchhike from Saginaw...)
etc

Come up with one solution and you've missed the reality.



Actually this is why donations went up when they had non-homeless people asking for donations - the people giving money knew what to expect and that the person wouldn't suddenly turn violent (mentally ill) or follow them to get more (parasites). People are more generous when they know it is safe to give.
 
2013-11-23 01:57:28 AM
Shout out to Lady Indica.
My father died homeless, he lost his job when I was 14 but then went off the deep end (alcohol) when I was 16 and I never saw him again.  He left Denver to "find work" in Vegas first and then Phoenix where he passed.
He had a credit card that my grandfather paid for a few years.  But all the charges were to cheap hotels and liquor stores.  My grandfather never cut it off.  But a part of him wanted to.  That's a weird conversation with your grandpa about your dad.  Dad's death came eventually, in the street.  In a city with no family.  That devastated me for 10 years.  Even with that, I don't know how to treat these people.  The ones who don't want help.  That want to die in the street.
 
2013-11-23 01:57:57 AM

whatshisname: What was the point of that? The Salvation Army doesn't send out winos to ring the bells at Christmas.


Now who's being naive?
 
2013-11-23 02:14:12 AM

2chris2: The homeless are scum.  They are the bottom of the barrel of humanity.  They're the people who have everything going against them.  They are drug addicts or alcoholics, mentally disturbed, and on top of that are irresponsible assholes.  Most homeless people have had a home at some point recently.  They lost it because they were scumbags.  If you let a homeless man sleep on your couch, you can count on the fact that he will get drunk off his ass, trash your place, piss in your sink, vomit on the floor, and then sell your tv for money for more alcohol.  Also, he'll molest any women or children in the house, or possibly your dog.

If you somehow found yourself with no money and no home, would you sit on a park bench and beg for change?  Of course you wouldn't.  You'd go move in with friends or family members.  Homeless people have already burned all their bridges with all their friends and family members.  Their friends and family members know better than to let them stay with them.  Because they're scum.

As they are still human, it makes sense to have soup kitchens and the like for them, rather than just letting them starve.  Don't give them any money, though, they will spend it all on drugs or alcohol.


The more you eat the more you fart: Lady Indica: My cousin was homeless, he passed away several years ago.

He wasn't unloved. His sisters loved him very very much. He was schizophrenic. He was severely schizophrenic and didn't respond to medication. The biggest fear his sisters had was that he would disappear and they would never know what happened. He died in his 40s. Alcoholism also runs in the family, but he was also self medicating because of his mental illness.

He was homeless in the Boston area. It was thanks to the kindness of strangers and organizations (most of which are religiously based) that he didn't freeze to death. That he had a warm coat in winter. That he didn't starve.

It wasn't that he was unwelcome in the homes of his relatives. He wasn't. He simply could not function, he was too sick. He wouldn't stay. I think it was more that he couldn't.

He passed away in a hospital, surrounded by family who loved him. He was lucid at the end, and was able to interact very clearly with his sisters.

My cousin wasn't a scumbag. He wasn't a piece of trash. He was an extremely intelligent and sensitive man. I remember him before he got sick. I was one of the few people who were almost physically hurt by him (he almost took me down a flight of stairs during my grandmother's funeral, he threw himself down the stairs after telling me something very bizarre). It frightened me as a little girl, but I knew even then something was wrong. It wasn't him.

Those of you who aren't incapacitated and yet speak with such contempt at the most vulnerable in our society...you're the farking scumbags. It's easy to love and care about people who demand nothing of you, that's easy. How do you fare when things get tough? I bet you're fairweather folk...and I hope you never face adversity where you need the understanding and compassion you're clearly incapable of.

This...is probably the single best post ive EVER read on fark.

Seriously.


Agreed.

I needed the second post, to beat down the WANT TO PUNCH THROUGH A MONITOR thoughts from the first.

There but for the grace of God (or fate, or circumstance, or G-d, or whatever) go I.

I know it's scary to think of, but it would do humanity a damn large amount of good if more people did.
 
2013-11-23 02:21:32 AM

Trance354: 2chris2: The homeless are scum.  They are the bottom of the barrel of humanity.  They're the people who have everything going against them.  They are drug addicts or alcoholics, mentally disturbed, and on top of that are irresponsible assholes.  Most homeless people have had a home at some point recently.  They lost it because they were scumbags.  If you let a homeless man sleep on your couch, you can count on the fact that he will get drunk off his ass, trash your place, piss in your sink, vomit on the floor, and then sell your tv for money for more alcohol.  Also, he'll molest any women or children in the house, or possibly your dog.

If you somehow found yourself with no money and no home, would you sit on a park bench and beg for change?  Of course you wouldn't.  You'd go move in with friends or family members.  Homeless people have already burned all their bridges with all their friends and family members.  Their friends and family members know better than to let them stay with them.  Because they're scum.

As they are still human, it makes sense to have soup kitchens and the like for them, rather than just letting them starve.  Don't give them any money, though, they will spend it all on drugs or alcohol.

I knew several homeless vets who were some of the most honorable people you will ever meet.  All of them were victims of their circumstances.  Ever wake up in the middle of the night thinking you're in grenada? Iraq? Afghanistan?  Ever get surprised by a noise and suddenly you are in the sh*t, back in that shiathole of a country that cost you so many friends' lives? No? The sit down and STFU. Douche.

/crappy troll, too
//known some of the worst vets who have been dishonorably discharged for narcotics, sex crimes, and worse, so they run the gamut, just like the rest of us


What really pisses me off, probably more so than it should, are people who biatch about homeless people with pets.  That they could feed themselves if they didn't have that dog, that that dog is the only thing keeping them out of the shelter and it's their own fault, etc.

I knew two homeless vets (who I hope are doing okay now...) who had a dog.  They had each other, but that dog was loyal as hell. Protected them, didn't judge them, and that dog got fed before they did.  They both had crazy post-service issues (Vietnam, both of 'em) but I honestly think knowing they had an animal that loved them unconditionally and that also depended on them helped quite a bit.

And those homeless vets (and I saw armbands from the VA hospital on the both of them, so no, not BS) also let me know late one night when someone was trailing my young-woman-self walking by myself after friends turned off a block or two earlier.  If they hadn't been watching, noticing, and looking out for me, I would've kept walking the only four blocks or so to my house... with a creepy ass  motherf--ker behind me.  Instead I hung back at the gas station next to the abandoned church (they slept on the steps) and called someone to walk back with me.

Yeah, I bought them a fifth now and then.  Or gave them treats or food for the dog.  It was worth it.  And even if I didn't have such explicit proof that it was worth it... I still would have.
 
2013-11-23 02:30:19 AM
I almost never have cash or even change on me. A debit card handles what may arise. I give what I have to the Shriners when they are on corners, or the foxy firefighters when they do the boot campaign. I am a total softy, but a hard biatch who knows how to work. Young, strong, well dressed beggers pissed me off. Saw plenty of those when I worked in downtown Atlanta. Guys wearing $150 sneakers trying to bum smokes off me. Fark them. I would give a kidney to help if needed. I am all about a hands out and up. Around here, though, many with the palms out are looking to steal from you.

I hate that I have become hardened. It goes against my grain. My heart feels compassion, but my brain is wary.
 
2013-11-23 03:05:47 AM
Great. Now the poor want us to panhandle for them as well?
 
2013-11-23 03:17:03 AM

Yogimus: Great. Now the poor want us to panhandle for them as well?


No, that was last week, this week it's you political party and GOD that want you to panhandle for them.

Try to keep up.
 
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