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(NBC Bay Area)   United: Sorry we almost killed your dog. Will $2700 buy your silence? Passenger: No, but it will buy you a front page news story about your attempt to silence me with money   (nbcbayarea.com) divider line 119
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2013-11-22 05:31:06 PM
I'm waiting for the "that'll be an extra $50 to get your pet there alive" fee.
 
2013-11-22 05:34:19 PM
Then they break your guitar.  United has horrid service on all levels except taking your money.  They do that quite well.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-11-22 05:54:41 PM
Between state laws and conditions of carriage, does an airline have any significant financial responsibility for pets? States have resisted putting a price tag on a pet's life because the court battle would devolve into a pure crying contest.
 
2013-11-22 07:04:39 PM

ZAZ: Between state laws and conditions of carriage, does an airline have any significant financial responsibility for pets? States have resisted putting a price tag on a pet's life because the court battle would devolve into a pure crying contest.


True; in AZ, a pet's legal value is its actual monetary worth, whatever you paid for it or what it would've sold for.  If your ugly little mutt gets killed by some meth head, he's not going to end up paying much (monetary) restitution for it.
 
2013-11-22 08:06:46 PM
Damn. And you thought the dog had it ruff!
 
2013-11-22 08:07:13 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-11-22 08:09:04 PM
PetSafe?

More like PetBake!

amirite?

Bastards.
 
2013-11-22 08:09:32 PM

The Onion is prophetic: ZAZ: Between state laws and conditions of carriage, does an airline have any significant financial responsibility for pets? States have resisted putting a price tag on a pet's life because the court battle would devolve into a pure crying contest.

True; in AZ, a pet's legal value is its actual monetary worth, whatever you paid for it or what it would've sold for.  If your ugly little mutt gets killed by some meth head, he's not going to end up paying much (monetary) restitution for it.


I remember somewhere in the midwest, Kansas maybe, around 20 years ago, a couple of guys broke into an animal shelter and killed a bunch of cats with a baseball bat, and they ended up not being found guilty of a felony because the judge/jury decided the cats didn't reach the $30 value threshold. I remember one of the guys' dad giving some interview before the hearing like "these boys are having their lives ruined over some cats!" Shame that happened before the internet.
 
2013-11-22 08:11:49 PM

you are a puppet: The Onion is prophetic: ZAZ: Between state laws and conditions of carriage, does an airline have any significant financial responsibility for pets? States have resisted putting a price tag on a pet's life because the court battle would devolve into a pure crying contest.

True; in AZ, a pet's legal value is its actual monetary worth, whatever you paid for it or what it would've sold for.  If your ugly little mutt gets killed by some meth head, he's not going to end up paying much (monetary) restitution for it.

I remember somewhere in the midwest, Kansas maybe, around 20 years ago, a couple of guys broke into an animal shelter and killed a bunch of cats with a baseball bat, and they ended up not being found guilty of a felony because the judge/jury decided the cats didn't reach the $30 value threshold. I remember one of the guys' dad giving some interview before the hearing like "these boys are having their lives ruined over some cats!" Shame that happened before the internet.


http://www.inhumane.org/data/LamTobinMyers.html

I guess some of my details are a little off
 
2013-11-22 08:14:15 PM

LordZorch: Then they break your guitar.  United has horrid service on all levels except taking your money.  They do that quite well.


So my family just relocated from Detroit to Cleveland, and I switched from Delta (ALWAYS DELAYED.  ALWAYS.) to United.  I have a feeling that I'm not going to enjoy the experience.

/Of course, if they're on time, it'll be an improvement.
//And my favorite airline when I was doing interviews was US Airways.  No carry-on fees, always on time, a bit cattle-car-ish even by airline standards.  Compared to Delate, so much better.
 
2013-11-22 08:14:22 PM
According to every airline, every animal that died or got sick in their care had "a pre-existing medical condition." It doesn't matter what the vet says, they know it was that mysterious medical condition, invisible to people who actually went to vet school.
 
2013-11-22 08:14:43 PM
"never will be exposed to temperatures greater than 85 degrees for more than 45 minutes."

Or temperatures greater than 325 degrees for more than 18-20 minutes. (or until toothpick comes out clean)
 
2013-11-22 08:15:40 PM
This is why my wife won't let our dog travel by air with us.  Airlines suck at baggage handling, and to them your dog is baggage.  A gorilla will be throwing your suitcase shortly.

Also, United is rightfully getting kicked in the nads about this.  Now we all know how they treat dogs in their premier PetSafe program.   If they had paid her, and laid on a first class ticket to anywhere for her and an extra steak for the dog for a future flight, we would have never heard about it or it would have been a lot less aggrieved. Instead they cheaped out.
 
2013-11-22 08:18:09 PM
I'm nor outraged, and I'm a little tired of the 'Pets are people too' shiat, but getting what you pay for seems reasonable.
 
2013-11-22 08:19:03 PM
From the JD I've picked up from watching The People's Court, the law regards pets as property, however, in the case of medical expenses incurred from the treatment of pet injuries, a plaintiff can be awarded far more than the actual value of the pet.  For instance, if your essentially worthless mutt that you adopted from a shelter gets attacked by your neighbor's dog and dies after you racked up a few thousand dollars in vet bills trying to save its life, you can be awarded the cost of the vet bills (but generally no more).
 
2013-11-22 08:19:07 PM

The Onion is prophetic: ZAZ: Between state laws and conditions of carriage, does an airline have any significant financial responsibility for pets? States have resisted putting a price tag on a pet's life because the court battle would devolve into a pure crying contest.

True; in AZ, a pet's legal value is its actual monetary worth, whatever you paid for it or what it would've sold for.  If your ugly little mutt gets killed by some meth head, he's not going to end up paying much (monetary) restitution for it.


such bullshiat is slowly but surely going the way of smoking at work. whole some may laugh, others realize to many their pet is a treasured member of the family. tolerance of animal abuse is becoming large fines, jail sentences and names being placed on 'no adoption/no purchase' registers. NJ is one of the states very active in this, others soon to follow. mentally maladjusted dooshbags will have to find a new victim, boo hoo.
 
2013-11-22 08:19:31 PM
I like dogs. I am a dog person. But, to say, "And thus, began the worst day of my life..." is a little melodramatic. Surely you have had a family member that died that rated that day worse than this? Found out a spouse or lover was cheating on you? And this day is worse? Been notified of a tax audit, or got a speeding ticket and then ran over the officer's foot? Something? This was the worst day of your life? Then, you have had a sheltered, priviledged life.
 
2013-11-22 08:20:45 PM

The Onion is prophetic: ZAZ: Between state laws and conditions of carriage, does an airline have any significant financial responsibility for pets? States have resisted putting a price tag on a pet's life because the court battle would devolve into a pure crying contest.

True; in AZ, a pet's legal value is its actual monetary worth, whatever you paid for it or what it would've sold for.  If your ugly little mutt gets killed by some meth head, he's not going to end up paying much (monetary) restitution for it.


Or when the cops shoot it.
 
2013-11-22 08:22:33 PM
The program promises pets will receive personal handling in climate-controlled vehicles and "never will be exposed to temperatures greater than 85 degrees for more than 45 minutes."

Well under that policy your dog could be put in a 500 degree oven, as long as it was only for 44 minutes.
 
2013-11-22 08:25:05 PM

you are a puppet: you are a puppet: The Onion is prophetic: ZAZ: Between state laws and conditions of carriage, does an airline have any significant financial responsibility for pets? States have resisted putting a price tag on a pet's life because the court battle would devolve into a pure crying contest.

True; in AZ, a pet's legal value is its actual monetary worth, whatever you paid for it or what it would've sold for.  If your ugly little mutt gets killed by some meth head, he's not going to end up paying much (monetary) restitution for it.

I remember somewhere in the midwest, Kansas maybe, around 20 years ago, a couple of guys broke into an animal shelter and killed a bunch of cats with a baseball bat, and they ended up not being found guilty of a felony because the judge/jury decided the cats didn't reach the $30 value threshold. I remember one of the guys' dad giving some interview before the hearing like "these boys are having their lives ruined over some cats!" Shame that happened before the internet.

http://www.inhumane.org/data/LamTobinMyers.html

I guess some of my details are a little off


I wonder what happened to those douchebags. Are they in prison because they are serial killers or have they just not been caught yet.
 
2013-11-22 08:26:29 PM
First guitars, then dogs.
What else will United destroy?
 
2013-11-22 08:29:35 PM
Considering all the horror stories I've heard about baggage handling, there's no way in Hell I'd trust my pet to these goons tender mercies.
 
2013-11-22 08:30:30 PM

buny101: I like dogs. I am a dog person. But, to say, "And thus, began the worst day of my life..." is a little melodramatic. Surely you have had a family member that died that rated that day worse than this? Found out a spouse or lover was cheating on you? And this day is worse? Been notified of a tax audit, or got a speeding ticket and then ran over the officer's foot? Something? This was the worst day of your life? Then, you have had a sheltered, priviledged life.


To say that someone cheating on you or that getting audited constitutes the worst day of your life is fairly melodramatic. Surely you have had a beloved pet that died?
 
2013-11-22 08:31:00 PM

you are a puppet: you are a puppet: The Onion is prophetic: ZAZ: Between state laws and conditions of carriage, does an airline have any significant financial responsibility for pets? States have resisted putting a price tag on a pet's life because the court battle would devolve into a pure crying contest.

True; in AZ, a pet's legal value is its actual monetary worth, whatever you paid for it or what it would've sold for.  If your ugly little mutt gets killed by some meth head, he's not going to end up paying much (monetary) restitution for it.

I remember somewhere in the midwest, Kansas maybe, around 20 years ago, a couple of guys broke into an animal shelter and killed a bunch of cats with a baseball bat, and they ended up not being found guilty of a felony because the judge/jury decided the cats didn't reach the $30 value threshold. I remember one of the guys' dad giving some interview before the hearing like "these boys are having their lives ruined over some cats!" Shame that happened before the internet.

http://www.inhumane.org/data/LamTobinMyers.html

I guess some of my details are a little off


I can only hope that any possible employers google these farks before hiring them.  For the next fifty years they should be spat upon on sight.
 
2013-11-22 08:31:36 PM
Airlines are incompetent.
People continue to trust airlines with their pets

Therefore...
 
2013-11-22 08:32:50 PM

Apos: Damn. And you thought the dog had it ruff!


yeah, the cat that was feline sick.
 
2013-11-22 08:33:21 PM
United's business model is as a freight carrier. People and their pets were never part of the deal, just a big nuisance really.
 
2013-11-22 08:34:04 PM

buny101: I like dogs. I am a dog person. But, to say, "And thus, began the worst day of my life..." is a little melodramatic. Surely you have had a family member that died that rated that day worse than this? Found out a spouse or lover was cheating on you? And this day is worse? Been notified of a tax audit, or got a speeding ticket and then ran over the officer's foot? Something? This was the worst day of your life? Then, you have had a sheltered, priviledged life.


Is that you, Mitt? "Gee, losing a dog ain't so bad, what if I got audited or had to deal with the police?"
 
2013-11-22 08:34:14 PM

Big_Doofus: I wonder what happened to those douchebags. Are they in prison because they are serial killers or have they just not been caught yet.


Serial killers don't make big splashes like that when they're still torturing whatever it is they're torturing in their development phase. It's not just killing, it's torture/desecration and it's usually ritualized.

Themoreyouknow
 
2013-11-22 08:37:46 PM

UsikFark: Is that you, Mitt? "Gee, losing a dog ain't so bad, what if I got audited or had to deal with the police?"


Not sure if sheltered or just ignorant...

On the one hand: being audited/spousal cheating etc are something that can effect you for a longer period of time.

With the death of a pet there is mourning and all that but it doesn't alter your view on life/make you doubt any future lovers you might have/have life wrecking debt to pay off/etc.

Do you see the difference?
 
2013-11-22 08:39:30 PM

Day_Old_Dutchie: First guitars, then dogs.
What else will United destroy?


Keep arms, legs, and clothing out of the aisle. You don't want to know how little an arm separated by the beverage cart is worth to our actuaries.
 
2013-11-22 08:41:42 PM
Well, if she had only forked over an extra $150 for the PASS (Pets Arriving Safely Service), and the $25/ per animal handling charge, along with $50 for the convenience of having her pets stored UNDER the wing; as opposed to in a non-shaded area- in the beating Texas summer sun... All of this could have been avoided!

/moral of the story is NEVER fly your pets with you via-the airlines.  Either pay to have them properly kennel shipped, or drive to your destination.  The extra effort and money is worth their lives, and your sanity.
 
2013-11-22 08:42:39 PM
since my basset hound is asleep on my lap right now I'm not getting a kick out of this
 
2013-11-22 08:44:29 PM
If you love your pet so much don't check it as luggage on a damn plane moron.
 
2013-11-22 08:44:47 PM
Many years ago, I worked for Continental Airlines. We did not accept pets as baggage when predicted temps anywhere along the route were expected to be above/below certain temps. I can't recall the specifics, but the threshold was rather conservative. I'm surprised United (which is really now Continental--work rules & management is CAL, only the livery is UAL) would accept a pet if the weather was bound to be that warm.
 
2013-11-22 08:45:35 PM
Terrible, and it just doesn't take much effort at all to have a van out there to keep them cool.  Just that tiny bit of extra attention, how difficult it that?
I guess if you are going to move your pets you really  need to do it via ground travel, or you really are risking the pets lives.
 
2013-11-22 08:46:30 PM

LordZorch: United has horrid service on all levels except taking your money.


United has always had horrid service but they used to be very good at compensating for it. The Continental merger added the "you made it there eventually, so fark off" attitude to the experience.
 
2013-11-22 08:47:46 PM

Capo Del Bandito: UsikFark: Is that you, Mitt? "Gee, losing a dog ain't so bad, what if I got audited or had to deal with the police?"

Not sure if sheltered or just ignorant...

On the one hand: being audited/spousal cheating etc are something that can effect you for a longer period of time.

With the death of a pet there is mourning and all that but it doesn't alter your view on life/make you doubt any future lovers you might have/have life wrecking debt to pay off/etc.

Do you see the difference?


Look, I'm sure you're a great middle manager or CEO but you're really farked up in the head, which is probably why your wife and/or lover cheated on you, and she may also be the reason you got audited and were fined into debt.
 
2013-11-22 08:47:54 PM
ElLoco
2013-11-22 08:14:43 PM


"never will be exposed to temperatures greater than 85 degrees for more than 45 minutes."

Or temperatures greater than 325 degrees for more than 18-20 minutes. (or until toothpick comes out clean)

Toothpick or whatever u have handy
www.memehead.com
 
2013-11-22 08:51:14 PM
Airline service is becoming an oxymoron - similar to service or "to serve and protect". I recall about 20 years ago KLM had a pet in transit die, and the company couldn't do enough to make up for the loss. Employees at all stages of the process expressed so much sadness - almost devastation - over the incident. I'd like to think KLM is still a superior airline to the US domestic air service, but it's been a while since I flew KLM regularly. I was a Royal Wing club member at one time and the service was wonderful.
 
2013-11-22 08:51:43 PM
...So what happened to the cat?
 
2013-11-22 08:55:35 PM

ZzeusS: ...So what happened to the cat?


Who do you think kept pushing the dogs cage into the sunlight?
 
2013-11-22 08:55:50 PM
It seems to me that United, who were a least okay, really became the bottom of the barrel when the Continental merger happened. Now it's just dreadful. Did both carriers just leave the worst people in place when they joined forces?
 
2013-11-22 08:58:49 PM

UsikFark: Look, I'm sure you're a great middle manager or CEO but you're really farked up in the head, which is probably why your wife and/or lover cheated on you, and she may also be the reason you got audited and were fined into debt.


Yeah, sheltered then.

Nevermind, you won't get it. The fact that you jumped into name calling and attempted insults drives the point home.
 
2013-11-22 09:00:43 PM

MFAWG: I'm nor outraged, and I'm a little tired of the 'Pets are people too' shiat, but getting what you pay for seems reasonable.


Would you also accept, "Don't offer to transport a living thing if you can't be bothered to take responsibility for keeping it alive?" Whether or not an animal's life is equal to a human's, a broken pet cannot be exchanged for an identical model the same way luggage can, so many pet owners would spend extra money to choose alternate transportation if the airline didn't make promises it wouldn't keep.
 
2013-11-22 09:02:48 PM

Tiber727: MFAWG: I'm nor outraged, and I'm a little tired of the 'Pets are people too' shiat, but getting what you pay for seems reasonable.

Would you also accept, "Don't offer to transport a living thing if you can't be bothered to take responsibility for keeping it alive?" Whether or not an animal's life is equal to a human's, a broken pet cannot be exchanged for an identical model the same way luggage can, so many pet owners would spend extra money to choose alternate transportation if the airline didn't make promises it wouldn't keep.


You act like the airline would fully reimburse you for broken objects.
 
2013-11-22 09:06:40 PM

Capo Del Bandito: UsikFark: Look, I'm sure you're a great middle manager or CEO but you're really farked up in the head, which is probably why your wife and/or lover cheated on you, and she may also be the reason you got audited and were fined into debt.

Yeah, sheltered then.

Nevermind, you won't get it. The fact that you jumped into name calling and attempted insults drives the point home.


Your post was bad. The implication is that the day you choose the wrong major in college is worse than the day your mom dies because it has the potential to affect your life more.
 
2013-11-22 09:08:12 PM
I really got to get back to work on my The Fly inspired teleportation pods.
 
2013-11-22 09:09:45 PM
Don't put your pets on a farking plane. Ever.

It's traumatic and stressful... you farking coont.

Glad her dog made it... now somebody needs to take it away from her.

Fark the cat.
 
2013-11-22 09:11:33 PM
i.imgur.com  for the dog owner.

Companies get away with murder (perhaps literally) by insisting on NDAs. Hazards and wrongdoing can continue when the only people who know about them are individual victims, who don't even know about each other.

I hope she sues and forces them to report any other cases, which there probably are. Heck, someone should take up a collection to fund that. Kickstarter?
 
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