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(The Raw Story)   Woman claims the GOP's "War on Women" is directly responsible for her earning $20,000 less than her male predecessor in the same position. Fark: That position is Chairwoman of the Washington state Republican Party   (rawstory.com ) divider line
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2013-11-22 09:33:47 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: In before the wage gap deniers


When counting pesky things like hours worked.....there is no wage gap.
 
2013-11-22 09:35:07 PM  

Captain Dan: JohnnyC: They knew the winner was going to be a woman. The other serious contender was Luanne Van Werven, also a woman. So regardless of who won, a woman was taking the position.

I didn't know this.  Do you live in Washington, or did you read this online?  If the latter, a link?

If the state GOP cut the salary only after they knew who the two finalists were, that would change the story.  I'd need to know if they cut the salaries of other positions before I formed any conclusions.


Some from the web: here and here, and some from a friend of mine who lives in Washington via facebook chat who told me that the two guys weren't serious contenders. The numbers they pulled in the election back up what my friend said, but neither of the articles mention a foreknowledge of who the top contenders were. My friend said the two women were on top (har har) in the race because one was already the interim chair holder (Van Werven) and the other was a well known TV anchor woman (Hutchison). I don't know if they cut other salaries or not. Hutchison herself was quoted as saying the Republican party in Washington was nearly broke... so maybe.
 
2013-11-22 09:39:52 PM  

Jaws_Victim: Waaaahhh I work with Satan and its too hot down here and he always pokes me in the bum with his pointy pitchfork!


I lol'd, would lol again
 
2013-11-22 09:40:24 PM  

sugardave: I think it's that the GOP-holes have proved beyond any shred of reasonable doubt that they are in no way fiscally responsible.  On any level.


"GOP-holes"?  I'm not opposed to using 5th grade humor, but how does this insult even work?  GOP doesn't sound remotely similar to any word that might prefix "-hole" in an insult.  There's no reason to go with "GOP-holes" instead of using any other swear word.

You do realize that "Fartbama" is satirical, right?
 
2013-11-22 09:44:11 PM  
Wait a second.  Was it a pun on "pee-holes"?  That's my best guess at this moment, although I've never heard "pee-hole" used as an insult, or as anything else.
 
2013-11-22 09:44:14 PM  

Captain Dan: sugardave: I think it's that the GOP-holes have proved beyond any shred of reasonable doubt that they are in no way fiscally responsible.  On any level.

"GOP-holes"?  I'm not opposed to using 5th grade humor, but how does this insult even work?  GOP doesn't sound remotely similar to any word that might prefix "-hole" in an insult.  There's no reason to go with "GOP-holes" instead of using any other swear word.

You do realize that "Fartbama" is satirical, right?


They are holes.  Empty.  Simple as that.  It's good that you focused on that part and not the fact that they aren't even close to "fiscally responsible."
 
2013-11-22 09:48:58 PM  
Captain Dan: It's simpler than that.  Most gay Republicans are upper-middle-class professionals who like the GOP for various reasons (e.g. tax policies, deregulation, national defense) even though they support gay marriage.

"I got mine and fark you" *is* a pretty simplistic mindset, I'll grant you that.
 
2013-11-22 09:49:01 PM  

sugardave: They are holes.  Empty.  Simple as that.  It's good that you focused on that part and not the fact that they aren't even close to "fiscally responsible."


It's pragmatism.  Arguing over which party is more fiscally responsible is unproductive; nobody ever changes their mind.  (For the record, I think that the GOP is very fiscally irresponsible.)  I'm more interested in learning about the psychology of someone who earnestly types "GOP-holes."
 
2013-11-22 09:49:10 PM  

DeaH: As a fellow woman, I would like to tell her that, perhaps, supporting a party that pays a woman $20k/year less than her male predecessor is a sign that she is supporting the wrong party.


could there be other factors at play?

a shortfall in funding?
poor performance in elections/party goals as compared to her male counterpart?

Thankfully the article answers none of these questions.

Arctic Phoenix: I don't understand why any woman or minority would be a republican.


it probably has something to do with democrats who feel that by sole virtue of their anatomy or skin color, a person should think, act or vote a certain way.
 
2013-11-22 09:54:12 PM  

Captain Dan: impaler: Captain Dan: To answer your other stupid question, they vote Republican because they make more money than you do.

No they don't.

Yes, they do, and you aren't in a position to contradict me.  I've worked in the Republican Party and have more experience with Republicans than you do.  The vast majority of gay Republicans are fiscal conservatives, i.e. "keep my taxes low" Republicans.


Captain Dan: sugardave: They are holes.  Empty.  Simple as that.  It's good that you focused on that part and not the fact that they aren't even close to "fiscally responsible."

It's pragmatism.  Arguing over which party is more fiscally responsible is unproductive; nobody ever changes their mind.  (For the record, I think that the GOP is very fiscally irresponsible.)  I'm more interested in learning about the psychology of someone who earnestly types "GOP-holes."


So, which is it?  Do you think gay Republicans are idiots, or are you a liar?
 
2013-11-22 09:55:45 PM  

Captain Dan: sugardave: They are holes.  Empty.  Simple as that.  It's good that you focused on that part and not the fact that they aren't even close to "fiscally responsible."

It's pragmatism.  Arguing over which party is more fiscally responsible is unproductive; nobody ever changes their mind.  (For the record, I think that the GOP is very fiscally irresponsible.)  I'm more interested in learning about the psychology of someone who earnestly types "GOP-holes."


Oh, I see.  You are concerned about my mental state?  How sweet of you.  fark off.
 
2013-11-22 10:04:13 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Ant: Now I remember her! What channel was she on?

Before KIRO-TV fired her in 2002, King County executive candidate Susan Hutchison badmouthed the station to an intern's mother, confronted its general manager about his offsite meetings with a female coworker, and called in sick so she could go canoeing in Oregon, according to court documents unsealed Friday.


Hey there is nothing wrong with mental health sick days.
 
2013-11-22 10:12:13 PM  

Captain Dan: Witty_Retort: And that her new salary was passed after she was elected (appointed? volunteered?) but before she took office.

That's not what the article says.  Quote: "The pay for the Republican chairman's position had been cut by GOP leaders - citing budget issues - at a meeting just prior to Hutchison's election in August."


I am sure a bunch of pols have no idea who was going to win an internal position like that.
 
2013-11-22 10:17:12 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: serial_crusher: Since I declined nearly $11,000 in medical benefits, the true dispute involves less than $10k to the WSRP! That is not worth all the time and effort - and ill-will it has engendered

Again with the math. You don't just get to trade in your medical benefits for cash. Does not work that way, lady. Maybe she should accept the $11,000 in medical benefits just to spite them.

Actually, I have to agree with her on that one. I feel that if you choose not to take advantage of medical benefits (maybe your spouse has a better plan through his/her work), you should at least half that amount back as salary, since you're saving the company money. If you enroll at some point, then you lose that salary boost. But health insurance is part of an employee's compensation, and so they should be completely compensated.


I see sympathize a little with that argument, but following to its natural conclusion you'd basically have to say that employers should stop providing any perks, and just give employees enough money that they could buy all the perks out of pocket instead.  I'm ok with that, but lots of business owners probably wouldn't be.  The usual idea behind employment perks is that they spend less that way by tricking you into thinking you're getting something good.  I think I'd be a lot less happy at my company if they took away the free junk food and sodas; not because I'd personally miss them, but because my coworkers would get butthurt about it and I'd have to put up with them.  I probably use about $100/year worth of stuff, but they'd have to pay me $5,000 more to put up with the situation that would ensue.

/ Health insurance, well that's a whole other clusterfark, shouldn't even be managed as an employment perk, but we're talking about Republicans, so let's just ignore that point for the sake of the argument.  Not like they're ever going to agree on it.
 
2013-11-22 10:21:09 PM  
Elaborate trolling, or money grab?
 
2013-11-22 10:33:55 PM  

BMFPitt: Elaborate trolling, or money grab?


Or she's sincere and has facts on her side.  What could be more threatening to the GOP?
 
2013-11-22 10:36:59 PM  
Republican women are willing to use Democratic talking points in an effort to get themselves more money regardless of the legitimacy of the claim in this particular case.  Yeah, that could totally happen.  Republican politicians are willing to use pretty much any kind of manipulation to get what they want so why not this?

Now that it is leaked and the damage is done, they'll probably just find a way to fire her now and replace her with a man for $95,000 a year, just to drive the point home for anyone else who may come later.  Republicans have no problems taking prisoners but don't try to hold prisoners against them 'cause they'll just tell you to kill the hostages and then yourself.

What job that doesn't involve direct threat to your life or health could possibly be worth more than $75,000 anyway? fark these people are jaded to money.
 
2013-11-22 10:40:48 PM  

sugardave: So, which is it?  Do you think gay Republicans are idiots, or are you a liar?


Neither, of course.  Affluent gay Republicans can benefit from a low-tax party, even if that party is fiscally irresponsible (e.g. if the party doesn't pass spending cuts to correspond with their low taxes, resulting in budget deficits).  To the extent that Republicans have given this trade-off thought, most have concluded that debt is preferable to higher income tax rates.
 
2013-11-22 11:05:13 PM  

Captain Dan: Witty_Retort: And that her new salary was passed after she was elected (appointed? volunteered?) but before she took office.

That's not what the article says.  Quote: "The pay for the Republican chairman's position had been cut by GOP leaders - citing budget issues - at a meeting just prior to Hutchison's election in August."


Translation: Crap! The rubes are getting wise to us. Budget cutting time.
 
2013-11-22 11:22:36 PM  

Captain Dan: I'd expect relatively more gays to vote Republican in the future.


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2013-11-22 11:31:11 PM  

Captain Dan: sugardave: So, which is it?  Do you think gay Republicans are idiots, or are you a liar?

Neither, of course.  Affluent gay Republicans can benefit from a low-tax party, even if that party is fiscally irresponsible (e.g. if the party doesn't pass spending cuts to correspond with their low taxes, resulting in budget deficits).  To the extent that Republicans have given this trade-off thought, most have concluded that debt is preferable to higher income tax rates.


fark y'all I got mine.
 
2013-11-22 11:38:14 PM  

Captain Dan: It's pragmatism.  Arguing over which party is more fiscally responsible is unproductive; nobody ever changes their mind.  (For the record, I think that the GOP is very fiscally irresponsible.)


At least you're self aware enough to realize that what you support is wrong but you still do it anyways.
 
2013-11-23 12:09:23 AM  

CorporatePerson: At least you're self aware enough to realize that what you support is wrong but you still do it anyways.


There are large parts of the Republican agenda I disagree with (including economic, social, and military).  It's possible to support a party without endorsing its entire platform.
 
2013-11-23 12:12:12 AM  

CorporatePerson: Fark y'all I got mine.


Nobody really thinks that.  It's more like: if I vote for a Democrat, my taxes will go up, and the money will be wasted on stupid bullshiat that I don't support.  If I vote for a Republican, money will still be wasted on stupid bullshiat that I don't support, but my taxes will stay lower, and the resultant debt will be paid off in ways that don't lean as heavily on income tax increases.
 
2013-11-23 12:15:58 AM  

Captain Dan: CorporatePerson: At least you're self aware enough to realize that what you support is wrong but you still do it anyways.

There are large parts of the Republican agenda I disagree with (including economic, social, and military).  It's possible to support a party without endorsing its entire platform.


Oh do tell. After those three, wtf is left that you like about republicans, captain?
 
2013-11-23 12:18:49 AM  

BMulligan: Moodybastard: FTFA
"many within the party were upset that Hutchison even mentioned "the 'war on women' meme" in her memo.
"There is no war on women," once source told the Times."

Ok, so what is it then?
A Police Action on women?
A Counter-Insurgency on women?
A Riot Suppression on women?

Whatcha calling it?

The War of Feminine Aggression.


My God, it's......brilliant.

And will likely be a talking point on Fox News within the week.
 
2013-11-23 12:41:16 AM  
Don't care enough to research, did the previous guy have more experience, skill, or education than her? Sexism exists (and its name is practically GOP) but I don't expect, as a noob, to get paid the same as the guy I replaced if he got raises over years or whatnot. Am I doing it wrong?
 
2013-11-23 12:42:28 AM  

Captain Dan: CorporatePerson: At least you're self aware enough to realize that what you support is wrong but you still do it anyways.

There are large parts of the Republican agenda I disagree with (including economic, social, and military).  It's possible to support a party without endorsing its entire platform.


Other than that, how did you like Dallas tonight, Mrs. Kennedy?
 
2013-11-23 12:45:04 AM  

Smackledorfer: Captain Dan: There are large parts of the Republican agenda I disagree with (including economic, social, and military).  It's possible to support a party without endorsing its entire platform.

Oh do tell. After those three, wtf is left that you like about republicans, captain?


I meant that within all three major spheres of politics, there are large portions of the Republican agenda that I disagree with, while there are other portions of them that I agree with (some strongly).

All in all, I favor about 25-50% of the Republican agenda, and about 25-50% of the Democratic agenda, but the parts where I'm aligned with the GOP are much more important to me.
 
2013-11-23 12:45:57 AM  
One could also point out that a large number of gay Republicans live in blue-dominate areas. I live in Washington, DC and there are large groups of Log Cabin Republicans. They are more than happy to take advantage of the rights the Democrats of the city have extended to them, while simultaneously being able to push for Republican policies otherwise, secure in the knowledge that their rights aren't going to be taken away anytime soon.

I find fewer of them in red areas than I do in blue.
 
2013-11-23 12:51:16 AM  
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2013-11-23 01:02:53 AM  

Tigger: She presumably joined the Republican party voluntarily?


fark her. She is stupid enough to be a republican she is stupid enough to deserve the raping that she is getting.

the JOKE-RAPE .... I would never suggest that everyone in the republican party deserves to be rape-raped. ....
 
2013-11-23 01:08:33 AM  

Captain Dan: Since it appears likely that the Supreme Court will take the gay marriage issue off the table next year, I'd expect relatively more gays to vote Republican in the future.


Sure. It is not like the Republicans have a documented history of doubling down on the derp when they lose or anything.
 
2013-11-23 01:13:31 AM  

Captain Dan: Smackledorfer: Captain Dan: There are large parts of the Republican agenda I disagree with (including economic, social, and military).  It's possible to support a party without endorsing its entire platform.

Oh do tell. After those three, wtf is left that you like about republicans, captain?

I meant that within all three major spheres of politics, there are large portions of the Republican agenda that I disagree with, while there are other portions of them that I agree with (some strongly).

All in all, I favor about 25-50% of the Republican agenda, and about 25-50% of the Democratic agenda, but the parts where I'm aligned with the GOP are much more important to me.


So no details?
You farking tease.
 
2013-11-23 01:15:23 AM  

Smackledorfer: Captain Dan: Smackledorfer: Captain Dan: There are large parts of the Republican agenda I disagree with (including economic, social, and military).  It's possible to support a party without endorsing its entire platform.

Oh do tell. After those three, wtf is left that you like about republicans, captain?

I meant that within all three major spheres of politics, there are large portions of the Republican agenda that I disagree with, while there are other portions of them that I agree with (some strongly).

All in all, I favor about 25-50% of the Republican agenda, and about 25-50% of the Democratic agenda, but the parts where I'm aligned with the GOP are much more important to me.

So no details?
You farking tease.


It's obvious.  No taxes on anyone/anything ever.  That way, we can slowly spiral into 3rd (or maybe all the way to 4th!) world status.  Just as long as no more taxes are ever collected for anything ever it will all be worth it.
 
2013-11-23 01:29:57 AM  
Maybe her head's not as good as her predecessor's.
 
2013-11-23 01:36:25 AM  

namatad: I would never suggest that everyone in the republican party deserves to be rape-raped.


I would.
 
2013-11-23 01:39:09 AM  

Captain Dan: All in all, I favor about 25-50% of the Republican agenda, and about 25-50% of the Democratic agenda


So vote Republican.
 
2013-11-23 02:45:53 AM  

sugardave: Just as long as no more taxes are ever collected for anything ever it will all be worth it.


That's because taxes are theft because of coercion and individual sovereignty and furthermore. Government jackboots! And reasons.
 
2013-11-23 03:18:21 AM  

Captain Dan:
There are large parts of the Republican agenda I disagree with (including economic, social, and military).  It's possible to support a party without endorsing its entire platform.


WTF? If you disagree with the GOP's stance on economic, social, and military positions, what's left? How often a flag pin should be displayed?
 
2013-11-23 03:33:45 AM  
Here is a mirror so you can watch yourself cry...
 
2013-11-23 04:06:02 AM  

Captain Dan: impaler: Captain Dan: To answer your other stupid question, they vote Republican because they make more money than you do.

No they don't.

Yes, they do, and you aren't in a position to contradict me.  I've worked in the Republican Party and have more experience with Republicans than you do.  The vast majority of gay Republicans are fiscal conservatives, i.e. "keep my taxes low" Republicans.


Ahhhh. so you're a paid shill and liar.
 
2013-11-23 04:09:07 AM  

Captain Dan: There are large parts of the Republican agenda I disagree with (including economic, social, and military).


That is the entire platform.
 
2013-11-23 04:27:11 AM  

Smackledorfer: So no details?  You farking tease.


Social issues:

- Support gay marriage + ENDA
- Support Equal Rights Amendment
- Support legal but restricted abortion (legal in 1st trimester w/ 3-day wait period, illegal afterwards except for life of mother)
- Support sex ed
- Oppose teaching creationism
- Support naturalization for illegal immigrants contingent on construction of border fence
- Support more skilled immigration + less unskilled immigration
- Oppose affirmative action
- Support teacher evaluation based partially on metrics (taking into account student demographics)
- Support stop and frisk as long as % of minority stops doesn't exceed % of crimes committed by minority
- Support mandatory filming of all police interactions
- Decriminalize marijuana
- Send hard drug users into rehab programs, not jail
- Support death penalty
- Spend more money on prisons to prevent overcrowding
- Eradicate prison rapes & assaults
- Support bans on public smoking
- Support individual right to gun ownership; however, right can be restricted

Defense policy:

- Support high level of defense spending, national defense as foremost priority
- Nationalistic: foreign policy should advance American interests
- Value American lives more than non-American lives
- Support stronger cyber-warfare defense
- Opposed war in Iraq, oppose military involvement in Syria & Iran
- Support sabotage/sanctions against Iranian nuclear program
- Support expanded use of drones
- Support expansive use of surveillance overseas
- Support inclusion of public interest/privacy advocate at FISA hearings
- Support most of Patriot Act
- More sympathetic to Israel than to its detractors
- Support foreign aid to advance American interests
- Support national ID card

Economic policy:

- Support free trade w/ exception only if national security is compromised
- Support Janet Yellen for Fed, supported Ben Bernanke's tenure
- Oppose Fed audit
- Oppose gold standard
- Oppose ability of public unions to negotiate compensation
- Support private unions, oppose card check, support anonymous alternative to card check that prevents coercion/retribution
- Support lowering corporate tax rates
- Support introduction of VAT
- Support individual mandate, guaranteed issue, exchanges
- Oppose funding mechanisms for ACA: too dependent on redistributive taxes, too likely to lead to cost inflation
- Support "death panels"
- Support increased role for nurse practitioners
- Support tighter capital requirements for banks, breaking up TBTF
- Much higher threshold for business regulation than Democrats have
- Support gentrification/upzoning/urban development
- Oppose bullet trains - expensive boondoggles
- Cut farm subsidies
- Favor 2nd round of stimulus now while borrowing costs are low; unlike 1st stimulus, not just spending $ on Democratic wish list
- Support fracking
- Support offshore drilling
- Support carbon tax
- Support alternative energy development, oppose government picking winners (Solyndra!)
- Oppose mortgage interest deduction
- Replace employee health care deduction with flat, universal deduction for coverage
- Expand ERISA standards to all state/municipal pensions
- Support higher OOP costs for Medicare beneficiaries
- Support tort reform + health courts
- Untroubled by inequality as long as absolute living standards of poor/middle class are increasing
- Support tightening eligibility for student loans, linking amount of aid to choice of major
- Expand child tax credit
- Loosen restriction for welfare programs during times of high unemployment
- Support higher estate tax rates, use revenue to offset income tax cuts

Various:

- Support term limits for congressmen & judges
- Support two-part constitutional amendment: first part caps an individual's cumulative tax exposure at no more than 50%, second part reclassifies money as non-speech and sets strict limits on political spending
- Support constitutional amendment granting D.C. one congressional representative + 2 senators
- Abolish debt ceiling
- Support law requiring that all congressmen place investments into blind trust
- Support 5-year wait period between congress + lobbying

... Dozens more, but I'm getting tired.
 
2013-11-23 04:44:58 AM  

Captain Dan: - Value American lives more than non-American lives


That's not really a morally defensible position to take.

Support high level of defense spending, national defense as foremost priority

Stop being afraid, the world isn't out to get us.
 
2013-11-23 05:58:37 AM  

Giltric: First you want people to cut the pay of top executives than you biatch when they do.


And by "you" you mean Republican Party leaders?
 
2013-11-23 06:30:43 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: In before the wage gap deniers


The wage gap exists, but in 99% of cases, it's nothing to do with being a woman, and everything to do with being a parent who has taken years out of work and no longer does insane hours.

Compare fathers who have taken the main child-carer role vs single childless women and you see a similar life-time wage ratio.


(of course, there are still instances of classic classic sex discrimination in remuneration in the workplace, but they're at the very edge of the statistics)
 
2013-11-23 07:32:55 AM  

Captain Dan: Smackledorfer: So no details?  You farking tease.

Social issues:

- Support gay marriage + ENDA
- Support Equal Rights Amendment
- Support legal but restricted abortion (legal in 1st trimester w/ 3-day wait period, illegal afterwards except for life of mother)
- Support sex ed
- Oppose teaching creationism
- Support naturalization for illegal immigrants contingent on construction of border fence
- Support more skilled immigration + less unskilled immigration
- Oppose affirmative action
- Support teacher evaluation based partially on metrics (taking into account student demographics)
- Support stop and frisk as long as % of minority stops doesn't exceed % of crimes committed by minority
- Support mandatory filming of all police interactions
- Decriminalize marijuana
- Send hard drug users into rehab programs, not jail
- Support death penalty
- Spend more money on prisons to prevent overcrowding
- Eradicate prison rapes & assaults
- Support bans on public smoking
- Support individual right to gun ownership; however, right can be restricted

Defense policy:

- Support high level of defense spending, national defense as foremost priority
- Nationalistic: foreign policy should advance American interests
- Value American lives more than non-American lives
- Support stronger cyber-warfare defense
- Opposed war in Iraq, oppose military involvement in Syria & Iran
- Support sabotage/sanctions against Iranian nuclear program
- Support expanded use of drones
- Support expansive use of surveillance overseas
- Support inclusion of public interest/privacy advocate at FISA hearings
- Support most of Patriot Act
- More sympathetic to Israel than to its detractors
- Support foreign aid to advance American interests
- Support national ID card

Economic policy:

- Support free trade w/ exception only if national security is compromised
- Support Janet Yellen for Fed, supported Ben Bernanke's tenure
- Oppose Fed audit
- Oppose gold standard
- Oppose ability of public unions to negotia ...



So you are a democrat. Good to know.
 
2013-11-23 07:35:28 AM  

Almost Everybody Poops: Mike_LowELL: I don't know how to respond to this thread.

We broke him guys! We finally broke him!


Oh contrail! Perhaps his best work ever.
 
2013-11-23 07:40:55 AM  

2wolves: BMFPitt: Elaborate trolling, or money grab?

Or she's sincere and has facts on her side.  What could be more threatening to the GOP?


I'll take that as a vote for money grab.
 
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