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(Kotaku)   Some Xbox One owners are reporting a malfunctioning or inoperable disc drive. Well that's one way to force people into digital downloads   (kotaku.com ) divider line
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2491 clicks; posted to Geek » on 22 Nov 2013 at 1:14 PM (3 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-11-22 01:35:25 PM  
3 votes:
So, basically, the big news is that two consumer electronic devices launched successfully with acceptable failure rates and responsive help from the companies for the few people affected?

/ I was promised blood in the streets!
2013-11-22 02:02:30 PM  
2 votes:
i.imgur.com Microsoft.

Charging you more for less.
2013-11-22 01:24:59 PM  
2 votes:
Me Chinese
Me connive
Me protest at the inhuman factory work conditions by sabotaging your new console's optical drive.
2013-11-22 01:20:55 PM  
2 votes:
I'll admit, instead of jumping in on this new wave, I'm thinking of just spending a few hundred on a new tower. Though I'm not sure there are currently any games out there that I actually care about, which is a really sad place to be in.
2013-11-23 09:04:39 AM  
1 vote:

Decillion: hammer85: Surool: hammer85: I notice a distinct lack of frepnog in this thread.  Unsurprising.

Now who will explain to us that XBone failures don't matter, but PS4 failures count twice as much? Who else is going to say less than a day's worth of XBone failures is all we get while a weeks worth of PS4 failures is the tip of the iceberg that will sink Sony?

I don't want to live in a world where this doesn't happen.

It may seem like trolling but it's kind of true. I'll break it down. For the Xbox Fanboys it's like getting a box a Crayola crayons with two crayons of the same colour. Not a big deal but goddamn it, this was supposed to be perfect after the 360 heat thing.

The Sony Fanboys are barely able to contain their combination of rage and embarrassment because their box of crayons are ALL blue and melted together. A bigger deal.  So far...


Jesus christ, shut the fark up.
2013-11-22 10:56:05 PM  
1 vote:

BumpInTheNight: kroonermanblack: LavenderWolf: Disc drive? You mean people still... physically move data?

...yes.  Because my options are 'pay 60$ for a physical item with resale and/or trade-to-friend value, which I can obtain in the time it takes me to drive to the nearest retailer' vs. 'buy digital item for 60$ (no discount?!), spend 5-12 hours downloading it, have no loan or resale capability and then have to delete once I have done this X number of times and if I ever want to play it again pray the store is still up and my purchase is 'saved' and I don't lose my account somehow (as happened to me with the xbox)'.

Mostly it's the time thing. I want a game I want it now, not tomorrow.

I downloaded the 22GB AC4:  Black flag in two hours flat, no physical anything except a few mouse clicks.  With the way games and their serial keys are getting harnessed into platforms I'm not sure physical media will survive nor the re-sale concept so enjoy that while you can.  Personally I pay the price I want for a game without any inclusion of trying to pawn it off to friends or gamestop and the time sunk into such adventures either.

Plus if a digital store ever does go under (I've had that happen before with Direct2Drive) I can just yarrrrr it via torrents if its that dear to me.


Dude, this is a console thread, not a PC one, and it's pretty self evident that this was related strictly to consoles, but thanks for being extremely insulting.

Also, really, 22gig in 2 hours? 11 gig/hour download rate is hardly the normal for most Americans (no, I'm not accounting for wherever you are), for most people 22gig would take 5-10 hours or longer.  That's assuming the person isn't out in BFE or on nasty data caps, etc. where 22 gigs would kill their monthly cap or take a year or be impossible. These people are still able to play by purchasing the data on a physical medium and then applying updates via the network.

And 'pawning games off on friends', that's quite nice of you. I'm sure I've never given a friend a disc and said 'here, try this'.  Even with the restrictions you see on them, you can still play the base game. Most of the time it simply locks you out of online play (and I'd only care about those for BF4 which I'll buy for PC if I buy at all) or some release day DLC that while nice isn't integral to the story.

Let me know how pirating that PS4 game goes for you (yes, I'm well aware it's possible, but the vast majority of users aren't going to do it, if only because it often involves mod-chips, which take time, expertise, and money).

My concern about buying digitally through the PSN or XBL is that the market will simply pull legacy games at some point, whereas if I have the physical disc I can play it. Obviously that's 10+ years down the road, and I personally don't keep consoles that long. But let's look at the NES nostalgia wave that's popular with college kids. How's that going to work in 20-30 years when this generation of 5 year olds wants to be all retro and play some (ps4gamehere)? Digital download system for the consoles is gone and dead by that time, moved on to service the ps6, and legacy the ps5.  PC emulators? Not the same.

It's purely speculative, and the original topic was 'HERPDERP LOOK AT ME BEING CUTE AND MOCKING PEOPLE BUYING DISCS' ergo my response was 'Yes there are valid reasons to buy discs farktard'.

Personally I quit AC with 3. It wasn't fun, it was dull and tedious. The gameplay was lackluster and the story was boring as shiat and had a raging hardon for 'LOOK HOW farkING AWESOME THE AMERICAN PATRIOTS WERE!!!' that I was afraid a Teaparty guy was going to come to my door and want a handjob.  And I mostly play for the side missions and exploration and other stuff, and they just made that all tedious and boring as hell, for me. I got NY unlocked and decided it just wasn't interesting enough for me to keep playing.
2013-11-22 09:15:48 PM  
1 vote:

LavenderWolf: Disc drive? You mean people still... physically move data?


...yes.  Because my options are 'pay 60$ for a physical item with resale and/or trade-to-friend value, which I can obtain in the time it takes me to drive to the nearest retailer' vs. 'buy digital item for 60$ (no discount?!), spend 5-12 hours downloading it, have no loan or resale capability and then have to delete once I have done this X number of times and if I ever want to play it again pray the store is still up and my purchase is 'saved' and I don't lose my account somehow (as happened to me with the xbox)'.

Mostly it's the time thing. I want a game I want it now, not tomorrow.
2013-11-22 05:00:22 PM  
1 vote:
i203.photobucket.com

Still works great.
Better games, too.
2013-11-22 04:36:18 PM  
1 vote:

Elegy: Luse: Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing. I conjectured that this will likely be tied to Gold, like all "online" functions of Xbox360 are. Show me where I am wrong.

You're such an idiot. Stop believing troll threads on /v/ and neogaf. Forza doesn't require the cloud to achieve 1080p/60fps - it will do that offline just fine. The whole idea that cloud computing is required for high resolution is based on a deliberate misunderstanding of something the developers said.

Link:
Forza Motorsport 5 owes its 1080p visuals and 60 frames a second performance to Microsoft's furnishing Turn 10 with easy access to scalable servers, creative director Dan Greenawalt has told OXM. The ability to tap into Xbox Live Compute has allowed the studio to lavish more time and development resources on the game's visuals and complex physics systems; without this advantage, it would have had trouble achieving Forza 5's final resolution.

To be clear, this isn't the same as saying that the game won't run as advertised without an internet connection, only that Microsoft has shouldered the burden of providing and tuning the servers, which has allowed Turn 10 to focus on maintaining 1080p.

Now - can we please address whatever mental defect people like you have, that leads you to claim on the one hand that cloud computing is shiat and a scam and can't possibly add anything meaningful to a game, yet then turn around a moment later and claim that cloud computing is so critical to Forza's performance that the game can't achieve 1080p/60fps without it?


Personal attacks are a sure sign of a strong position. The very words you try to place in my mouth came from turn 10. Just because Microsoft CLAIMS something does not make it true, unless you think all of their claims have been completely honest in the past. If you wanted to really prove me wrong, which I may be, you would maybe link to a 3rd party test of an Xbone running Forza 5 offline in 1080p @60fps.
You would do that if you weren't so busy being a douche.
2013-11-22 03:41:11 PM  
1 vote:

frepnog: realmolo: The thing about the new consoles is that they aren't that much better than the last consoles. I mean, yeah, the hardware is way more powerful and everything, but the graphics aren't all that much better. We've hit a plateau, graphically, especially since TVs are locked at 1920x1080.

the issue is that you are equating resolution with meaning anything whatever.  It really doesn't.  Fact is that just like last gen, as the new games get more and more detailed, 1080p is going to mostly be a pipe dream on both consoles (if you want to maintain 60 frames).  both are still relatively anemic machines, PC hardware is ALREADY several generations ahead of the new consoles, and new games are going to do nothing but get more detailed.



PC always had and always well be ahead, the question is of affordability.  All games are developed on PC's, so PC's are always the highest benchmark for the platforms, even consoles.

Killzone looks and plays like a ultra setting PC game at 1080P60, and its a launch game.  I think you'll be surprised what relatively anemic machines can pull off.  Then again, thats nothing new (what consoles can do, launch games looking and playing great IS new).  If you expect Bethesda to lead graphically on a console for Fallout 4, you're just kidding yourself.  It's a poor argument to make, because it's never, ever, ever been the case since maybe the NES/SNES days.  Third parties will aim for parity and make some great engine optimizations, but they'll never be leading the cutting edge with consoles because it's not cost effective for multiple platform software development.  They don't even do that for PC, and rely on brute force and driver tricks from Nvidia/ATI (hence what Valve is trying to do with SteamOS)

Now Naughty Dog putting out a game that rivals top end PC games?  It's pretty likely, since they code to the systems strengths, focus on one thing, and down to the metal. 

As for 1080P pipe dream, only one launch game is missing it, BF4.  Which is unplayable currently on all systems including PC.  Not exactly the best barometer for the future.  Especially when most launch games are unoptimized PC ports.
2013-11-22 02:38:13 PM  
1 vote:
Like I said... It's smarter to wait six months to a year to let them:

1. Fix all the bugs and launch issues.
2. Build up a library of games worth playing.
3. Begin to lower game prices under $60.
4. Lower the price of the main console.

It's absolutely stupid to be a guinea pig sucker and beta test the new consoles for $400/$500 a pop when you'll have very little "advance experience" by the time the issues are fixed, the consoles are cheaper, and the libraries are full of games worth playing.

Waiting also gives me a chance to sit back and see which console actually ends up being worthwhile.
2013-11-22 02:28:57 PM  
1 vote:

Rwa2play: olapbill: Smeggy Smurf: Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys

derpy derp detected

When did a post from a politics thread come over here?


Blind allegiance between two parties that are mostly looking just to line their wallets with cash from suckers?  People jumping to absurd conclusions or resorting to fallacies instead of facts?  Experience from political threads crosses over well to console war threads.
2013-11-22 01:41:21 PM  
1 vote:

kab: [i0.kym-cdn.com image 500x387]


For being a master race, it's pretty sad he still lives with his mom.
2013-11-22 01:25:45 PM  
1 vote:

Smeggy Smurf: Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys


derpy derp detected
2013-11-22 01:19:17 PM  
1 vote:
Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys
2013-11-22 11:57:42 AM  
1 vote:

ManateeGag: wait, I thought the X Box One was going to be the most flawless piece of machinery known to man and make people who are experiencing ps4 issues drop Sony forever!


Nah.  That's just what the PS4 fan boyz are telling each other to boost their morale after such poor judgement in console selection.
 
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