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2013-11-22 03:10:46 PM  
I'll start looking at this generation of consoles when the second hardware design comes out.
 
2013-11-22 03:12:33 PM  

olapbill: Dragonflew: kroonermanblack: He's just looking for a reason to tell us why his purchase of a 400$ touch tablet is 'smarter' than buying a console when he already has a gaming rig, a console, a smart phone, and I'm assuming another laptop and iPad.

You should have seen it a couple of years ago when his PSP was better than anything at everything.

On  that note, the Vita that has been getting not much use up until now is getting used daily now for remote play to my PS4.  It's pretty damn cool.


I only have the PSP, so I am missing out on that bit.
 
2013-11-22 03:15:25 PM  

PsyLord: olapbill: Dragonflew: kroonermanblack: He's just looking for a reason to tell us why his purchase of a 400$ touch tablet is 'smarter' than buying a console when he already has a gaming rig, a console, a smart phone, and I'm assuming another laptop and iPad.

You should have seen it a couple of years ago when his PSP was better than anything at everything.

On  that note, the Vita that has been getting not much use up until now is getting used daily now for remote play to my PS4.  It's pretty damn cool.

Can it handle every PS4 game through remote play?


so far it has.  When you connect you get the whole UI and all options.  So far I've only used it for Knack, Killzone and DCU.
 
2013-11-22 03:17:34 PM  

scottydoesntknow: HeartBurnKid: hammer85: scottydoesntknow: hammer85: Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

Don't forget a Free-2-Play Killer Instinct that comes with one character

/What were they thinking with that?!

Seriously?  I thought it was a regular game.  That's just awful.

It is, and it isn't. The free version comes with one character. You can then buy characters individually, or buy the full package for $20. Which, to be honest, I have zero problem with.

It's launching with just 6 characters, with two more to be released in the next 6 months.

That's pretty pathetic for a fighting game. Hell the original KI back in 1994 had 10 (11 including the boss).


I didn't realize that.  Hell, Skullgirls comes with more characters than that, and that's an indie game.
 
2013-11-22 03:19:16 PM  

Lucky LaRue: ManateeGag: wait, I thought the X Box One was going to be the most flawless piece of machinery known to man and make people who are experiencing ps4 issues drop Sony forever!

Nah.  That's just what the PS4 fan boyz are telling each other to boost their morale after such poor judgement in console selection.


oblig...

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2013-11-22 03:26:49 PM  

ManateeGag: wait, I thought the X Box One was going to be the most flawless piece of machinery known to man and make people who are experiencing ps4 issues drop Sony forever!


you forgot the 'Sucking Sony's cock' bit.

#/10
 
2013-11-22 03:27:53 PM  

Elegy: Luse: Glad I held out. The only title that really interested me was Forza, and now it's got the RM4FM model and can't even give me 1080p? Fark you Microsoft.

Something about this post smells ignorant and uninformed.....


Yes, the claim is they can give me 1080p at 60 FPS due to the new Cloud Processing. I've yet to see their cloud processing as anything more than a gimick, it will probably be tied into the Gold account so in addition to buying the game, I would have to also get a gold account, and then spend real money in the game. Fark that.
 
2013-11-22 03:28:14 PM  
Sitting here watching VGA's launch day webcast. Setting up the Kinect has been an epic fail so far.
 
2013-11-22 03:29:17 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Me Chinese
Me connive
Me protest at the inhuman factory work conditions by sabotaging your new console's optical drive.


Okay, BBB'dMAO at that one. X-D
 
2013-11-22 03:34:34 PM  

crab66: I'll start looking at this generation of consoles when the second hardware design comes out.


But by then they will have fixed the currently unknown DRM exploits the current boxes have!  You'll have to pay for your games!
 
2013-11-22 03:38:58 PM  
A variety of issues instead of just one. Still, no deal breaker for either manufacturer yet.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/22/xbox-one-early-adopters-repor ti ng-hardware-problems
 
2013-11-22 03:41:11 PM  

frepnog: realmolo: The thing about the new consoles is that they aren't that much better than the last consoles. I mean, yeah, the hardware is way more powerful and everything, but the graphics aren't all that much better. We've hit a plateau, graphically, especially since TVs are locked at 1920x1080.

the issue is that you are equating resolution with meaning anything whatever.  It really doesn't.  Fact is that just like last gen, as the new games get more and more detailed, 1080p is going to mostly be a pipe dream on both consoles (if you want to maintain 60 frames).  both are still relatively anemic machines, PC hardware is ALREADY several generations ahead of the new consoles, and new games are going to do nothing but get more detailed.



PC always had and always well be ahead, the question is of affordability.  All games are developed on PC's, so PC's are always the highest benchmark for the platforms, even consoles.

Killzone looks and plays like a ultra setting PC game at 1080P60, and its a launch game.  I think you'll be surprised what relatively anemic machines can pull off.  Then again, thats nothing new (what consoles can do, launch games looking and playing great IS new).  If you expect Bethesda to lead graphically on a console for Fallout 4, you're just kidding yourself.  It's a poor argument to make, because it's never, ever, ever been the case since maybe the NES/SNES days.  Third parties will aim for parity and make some great engine optimizations, but they'll never be leading the cutting edge with consoles because it's not cost effective for multiple platform software development.  They don't even do that for PC, and rely on brute force and driver tricks from Nvidia/ATI (hence what Valve is trying to do with SteamOS)

Now Naughty Dog putting out a game that rivals top end PC games?  It's pretty likely, since they code to the systems strengths, focus on one thing, and down to the metal. 

As for 1080P pipe dream, only one launch game is missing it, BF4.  Which is unplayable currently on all systems including PC.  Not exactly the best barometer for the future.  Especially when most launch games are unoptimized PC ports.
 
2013-11-22 03:50:19 PM  

uttertosh: ManateeGag: wait, I thought the X Box One was going to be the most flawless piece of machinery known to man and make people who are experiencing ps4 issues drop Sony forever!

you forgot the 'Sucking Sony's cock' bit.

#/10


Actually, that dude also requested to have his taint licked in that other thread, but I don't think that was a console issue.
 
2013-11-22 03:50:51 PM  
It'll be next year, but I know that I'll end up with both.

Just want better games.
 
2013-11-22 03:51:17 PM  

TyrantII: As for 1080P pipe dream, only one launch game is missing it, BF4.


Lets be honest here, you aren't missing anything by not playing BF4.
 
2013-11-22 03:55:38 PM  

fluffy2097: TyrantII: As for 1080P pipe dream, only one launch game is missing it, BF4.

Lets be honest here, you aren't missing anything by not playing BF4.


I enjoy it as a squad based game with friends.  Still Killzone is a bit superior if you're looking for a teamgame FPS.  I love how they have rolling game modes and tend to have some of the best FPS maps not on PC.  KZ sucks for the lone wolves though.
 
2013-11-22 03:55:48 PM  
Hey  frepnog:

Didn't you say Sony was sacrificing virgins for this?

Why are you still here?
 
2013-11-22 03:57:40 PM  

Luse: Elegy: Luse: Glad I held out. The only title that really interested me was Forza, and now it's got the RM4FM model and can't even give me 1080p? Fark you Microsoft.

Something about this post smells ignorant and uninformed.....

Yes, the claim is they can give me 1080p at 60 FPS due to the new Cloud Processing. I've yet to see their cloud processing as anything more than a gimick, it will probably be tied into the Gold account so in addition to buying the game, I would have to also get a gold account, and then spend real money in the game. Fark that.


No, I was talking more along the lines of the fact that Forza plays at 1080p 60fps out of the box and you obviously don't know what the fark you are talking about.

You keep shouting that poutrage all over the internet, though. Just like a drum, the emptiest brain is always the loudest.
 
2013-11-22 03:59:58 PM  

Elegy: Just like a drum, the emptiest brain is always the loudest.


I have no dog in y'alls fight, I just wanted to say that's a great line and I will be stealing it for future use.
 
2013-11-22 04:00:30 PM  

Surool: A variety of issues instead of just one. Still, no deal breaker for either manufacturer yet.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/22/xbox-one-early-adopters-repor ti ng-hardware-problems


A tiny minority, although I do feel bad for those hitting the statistical lottery.  They should grab a real lottery ticket while they're still lucky!

This is the first real launch in the age of social media.  The problems get dialed up to 10, because they get page clicks.

1,000,000 PS4's and most likely 700,000 XB1's were sold in the past 7 days.  1200 bad reviews combine on amazon are almost at four sigma level; which ain't too bad for DOA CE's.
 
2013-11-22 04:05:20 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys

 
2013-11-22 04:06:09 PM  

Elegy: Luse: Elegy: Luse: Glad I held out. The only title that really interested me was Forza, and now it's got the RM4FM model and can't even give me 1080p? Fark you Microsoft.

Something about this post smells ignorant and uninformed.....

Yes, the claim is they can give me 1080p at 60 FPS due to the new Cloud Processing. I've yet to see their cloud processing as anything more than a gimick, it will probably be tied into the Gold account so in addition to buying the game, I would have to also get a gold account, and then spend real money in the game. Fark that.

No, I was talking more along the lines of the fact that Forza plays at 1080p 60fps out of the box and you obviously don't know what the fark you are talking about.

You keep shouting that poutrage all over the internet, though. Just like a drum, the emptiest brain is always the loudest.


i thought that was supposed to be a fart.  but that works too.
 
2013-11-22 04:06:18 PM  

Elegy: Luse: Elegy: Luse: Glad I held out. The only title that really interested me was Forza, and now it's got the RM4FM model and can't even give me 1080p? Fark you Microsoft.

Something about this post smells ignorant and uninformed.....

Yes, the claim is they can give me 1080p at 60 FPS due to the new Cloud Processing. I've yet to see their cloud processing as anything more than a gimick, it will probably be tied into the Gold account so in addition to buying the game, I would have to also get a gold account, and then spend real money in the game. Fark that.

No, I was talking more along the lines of the fact that Forza plays at 1080p 60fps out of the box and you obviously don't know what the fark you are talking about.

You keep shouting that poutrage all over the internet, though. Just like a drum, the emptiest brain is always the loudest.


Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing. I conjectured that this will likely be tied to Gold, like all "online" functions of Xbox360 are. Show me where I am wrong.
 
2013-11-22 04:07:08 PM  

Luse: Elegy: Luse: Elegy: Luse: Glad I held out. The only title that really interested me was Forza, and now it's got the RM4FM model and can't even give me 1080p? Fark you Microsoft.

Something about this post smells ignorant and uninformed.....

Yes, the claim is they can give me 1080p at 60 FPS due to the new Cloud Processing. I've yet to see their cloud processing as anything more than a gimick, it will probably be tied into the Gold account so in addition to buying the game, I would have to also get a gold account, and then spend real money in the game. Fark that.

No, I was talking more along the lines of the fact that Forza plays at 1080p 60fps out of the box and you obviously don't know what the fark you are talking about.

You keep shouting that poutrage all over the internet, though. Just like a drum, the emptiest brain is always the loudest.

Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing. I conjectured that this will likely be tied to Gold, like all "online" functions of Xbox360 are. Show me where I am wrong.


Gah, and preview is my farking friend. http://1080p visuals and 60 frames a second performance to Microsoft's furnishing Turn 10 with easy access to scalable servers
 
2013-11-22 04:12:40 PM  

Electrify: On the plus side, it looks as if they addressed the overheating problems of the last generation.


Did you see the size of that HVAC system they have installed? Serious industrial air-mover. Any bigger and you'd have to heat it with a hair-dryer to get it to crank over.
 
2013-11-22 04:16:48 PM  

Luse: Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing.


So you are seriously saying that it would not be 1080p if you did not have an internet connection?  Connecting to the 'net magically increases the resolution?

Ah, looks like you figured it out in your follow up post. Man, that must be embarrassing.
 
2013-11-22 04:26:59 PM  

Luse: Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing. I conjectured that this will likely be tied to Gold, like all "online" functions of Xbox360 are. Show me where I am wrong.


You're such an idiot. Stop believing troll threads on /v/ and neogaf. Forza doesn't require the cloud to achieve 1080p/60fps - it will do that offline just fine. The whole idea that cloud computing is required for high resolution is based on a deliberate misunderstanding of something the developers said.

Link:
Forza Motorsport 5 owes its 1080p visuals and 60 frames a second performance to Microsoft's furnishing Turn 10 with easy access to scalable servers, creative director Dan Greenawalt has told OXM. The ability to tap into Xbox Live Compute has allowed the studio to lavish more time and development resources on the game's visuals and complex physics systems; without this advantage, it would have had trouble achieving Forza 5's final resolution.

To be clear, this isn't the same as saying that the game won't run as advertised without an internet connection, only that Microsoft has shouldered the burden of providing and tuning the servers, which has allowed Turn 10 to focus on maintaining 1080p.


Now - can we please address whatever mental defect people like you have, that leads you to claim on the one hand that cloud computing is shiat and a scam and can't possibly add anything meaningful to a game, yet then turn around a moment later and claim that cloud computing is so critical to Forza's performance that the game can't achieve 1080p/60fps without it?
 
2013-11-22 04:31:09 PM  
I prefer analog downloads myself...
 
2013-11-22 04:36:18 PM  

Elegy: Luse: Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing. I conjectured that this will likely be tied to Gold, like all "online" functions of Xbox360 are. Show me where I am wrong.

You're such an idiot. Stop believing troll threads on /v/ and neogaf. Forza doesn't require the cloud to achieve 1080p/60fps - it will do that offline just fine. The whole idea that cloud computing is required for high resolution is based on a deliberate misunderstanding of something the developers said.

Link:
Forza Motorsport 5 owes its 1080p visuals and 60 frames a second performance to Microsoft's furnishing Turn 10 with easy access to scalable servers, creative director Dan Greenawalt has told OXM. The ability to tap into Xbox Live Compute has allowed the studio to lavish more time and development resources on the game's visuals and complex physics systems; without this advantage, it would have had trouble achieving Forza 5's final resolution.

To be clear, this isn't the same as saying that the game won't run as advertised without an internet connection, only that Microsoft has shouldered the burden of providing and tuning the servers, which has allowed Turn 10 to focus on maintaining 1080p.

Now - can we please address whatever mental defect people like you have, that leads you to claim on the one hand that cloud computing is shiat and a scam and can't possibly add anything meaningful to a game, yet then turn around a moment later and claim that cloud computing is so critical to Forza's performance that the game can't achieve 1080p/60fps without it?


Personal attacks are a sure sign of a strong position. The very words you try to place in my mouth came from turn 10. Just because Microsoft CLAIMS something does not make it true, unless you think all of their claims have been completely honest in the past. If you wanted to really prove me wrong, which I may be, you would maybe link to a 3rd party test of an Xbone running Forza 5 offline in 1080p @60fps.
You would do that if you weren't so busy being a douche.
 
2013-11-22 04:38:53 PM  

Dragonflew: Luse: Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing.

So you are seriously saying that it would not be 1080p if you did not have an internet connection?  Connecting to the 'net magically increases the resolution?

Ah, looks like you figured it out in your follow up post. Man, that must be embarrassing.


No, that's actually what the manufacturer was claiming. It wouldn't be possible without the mystical Microfart Cloud. They've since backtracked with mumbojumbo. I'll believe it when I see it.

Oh, and fark eating the link, yeah, that really weighs heavily on me. How would you suggest I kill myself?
 
2013-11-22 04:52:05 PM  

Elegy: Luse: Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing. I conjectured that this will likely be tied to Gold, like all "online" functions of Xbox360 are. Show me where I am wrong.

You're such an idiot. Stop believing troll threads on /v/ and neogaf. Forza doesn't require the cloud to achieve 1080p/60fps - it will do that offline just fine. The whole idea that cloud computing is required for high resolution is based on a deliberate misunderstanding of something the developers said.

Link:
Forza Motorsport 5 owes its 1080p visuals and 60 frames a second performance to Microsoft's furnishing Turn 10 with easy access to scalable servers, creative director Dan Greenawalt has told OXM. The ability to tap into Xbox Live Compute has allowed the studio to lavish more time and development resources on the game's visuals and complex physics systems; without this advantage, it would have had trouble achieving Forza 5's final resolution.

To be clear, this isn't the same as saying that the game won't run as advertised without an internet connection, only that Microsoft has shouldered the burden of providing and tuning the servers, which has allowed Turn 10 to focus on maintaining 1080p.

Now - can we please address whatever mental defect people like you have, that leads you to claim on the one hand that cloud computing is shiat and a scam and can't possibly add anything meaningful to a game, yet then turn around a moment later and claim that cloud computing is so critical to Forza's performance that the game can't achieve 1080p/60fps without it?


Forget it man, you're talking to someone who thinks he's justified in shooting someone in the back who punches him and runs away because and I quote, "I don't know what he's going to do next [after fleeing]."

Ya, really. And apparently he's so stupid that he doesn't even have the faintest idea of what a 'cloud' is.

He probably thinks that he's 'lagging' when the hardware isn't able to keep up on his computer.

Just ignore and move on with life.
 
2013-11-22 04:54:35 PM  

justtray: Elegy: Luse: Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing. I conjectured that this will likely be tied to Gold, like all "online" functions of Xbox360 are. Show me where I am wrong.

You're such an idiot. Stop believing troll threads on /v/ and neogaf. Forza doesn't require the cloud to achieve 1080p/60fps - it will do that offline just fine. The whole idea that cloud computing is required for high resolution is based on a deliberate misunderstanding of something the developers said.

Link:
Forza Motorsport 5 owes its 1080p visuals and 60 frames a second performance to Microsoft's furnishing Turn 10 with easy access to scalable servers, creative director Dan Greenawalt has told OXM. The ability to tap into Xbox Live Compute has allowed the studio to lavish more time and development resources on the game's visuals and complex physics systems; without this advantage, it would have had trouble achieving Forza 5's final resolution.

To be clear, this isn't the same as saying that the game won't run as advertised without an internet connection, only that Microsoft has shouldered the burden of providing and tuning the servers, which has allowed Turn 10 to focus on maintaining 1080p.

Now - can we please address whatever mental defect people like you have, that leads you to claim on the one hand that cloud computing is shiat and a scam and can't possibly add anything meaningful to a game, yet then turn around a moment later and claim that cloud computing is so critical to Forza's performance that the game can't achieve 1080p/60fps without it?

Forget it man, you're talking to someone who thinks he's justified in shooting someone in the back who punches him and runs away because and I quote, "I don't know what he's going to do next [after fleeing]."

Ya, really. And apparently he's so stupid that he doesn't even have the faintest idea of what a 'cloud' is.

He probably thinks that he's 'lagging' when the hardware isn't able t ...


Cross thread shiatting. A new low for you. Are you ever going to get around to actually answering anything or are you just going to run around and call people names?
 
2013-11-22 04:54:40 PM  

Luse: Dragonflew: Luse: Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing.

So you are seriously saying that it would not be 1080p if you did not have an internet connection?  Connecting to the 'net magically increases the resolution?

Ah, looks like you figured it out in your follow up post. Man, that must be embarrassing.

No, that's actually what the manufacturer was claiming. It wouldn't be possible without the mystical Microfart Cloud. They've since backtracked with mumbojumbo. I'll believe it when I see it.

Oh, and fark eating the link, yeah, that really weighs heavily on me. How would you suggest I kill myself?


Let me ask you this;

How would reading data on a local machine, sending that data through the internet to a remote location, having it get sent back to my local machine increase the rate at which my local machine can process data?

Before you make posts in the future, please try to learn a bit more. When you spout off things that you know you don't understand, and pretend that you do, it makes you look incredibly stupid.
 
2013-11-22 04:54:58 PM  

Luse: No, that's actually what the manufacturer was claiming. It wouldn't be possible without the mystical Microfart Cloud. They've since backtracked with mumbojumbo. I'll believe it when I see it.



The developers said that because of cloud computing, they were able to focus their efforts on making the game 1080p.  You seem to believe that it will only do 1080p if you're connected to the cloud.
 
2013-11-22 04:55:50 PM  

Luse: Cross thread shiatting. A new low for you. Are you ever going to get around to actually answering anything or are you just going to run around and call people names?


See above. Next time, ask the question of things you don't understand instead of passing your misunderstandings off as fact and demanding that everyone politely correct your ignorance.
 
2013-11-22 04:59:42 PM  

justtray: Luse: Dragonflew: Luse: Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing.

So you are seriously saying that it would not be 1080p if you did not have an internet connection?  Connecting to the 'net magically increases the resolution?

Ah, looks like you figured it out in your follow up post. Man, that must be embarrassing.

No, that's actually what the manufacturer was claiming. It wouldn't be possible without the mystical Microfart Cloud. They've since backtracked with mumbojumbo. I'll believe it when I see it.

Oh, and fark eating the link, yeah, that really weighs heavily on me. How would you suggest I kill myself?

Let me ask you this;

How would reading data on a local machine, sending that data through the internet to a remote location, having it get sent back to my local machine increase the rate at which my local machine can process data?

Before you make posts in the future, please try to learn a bit more. When you spout off things that you know you don't understand, and pretend that you do, it makes you look incredibly stupid.


I don't believe it would. Turn 10 has been less then clear in their claims. I also saw some article that said that the online processing helps the tire and suspension physics. It also sounds hokey to me.
All I am saying is I am unwilling to drop 600 bucks for an unproven platform from a manufacturer who has a less then sterling reputation based solely on their word. You seem to make alot of assumptions in every thread you're in. I am more skeptical.
 
2013-11-22 05:00:22 PM  
i203.photobucket.com

Still works great.
Better games, too.
 
2013-11-22 05:00:56 PM  

justtray: Luse: Cross thread shiatting. A new low for you. Are you ever going to get around to actually answering anything or are you just going to run around and call people names?

See above. Next time, ask the question of things you don't understand instead of passing your misunderstandings off as fact and demanding that everyone politely correct your ignorance.


Also see above. Show me an independent offline test and I will admit I'm wrong about it not being 1080p. I simply won't take Microsoft's word for it.
 
2013-11-22 05:17:49 PM  

TyrantII: fluffy2097: TyrantII: As for 1080P pipe dream, only one launch game is missing it, BF4.

Lets be honest here, you aren't missing anything by not playing BF4.

I enjoy it as a squad based game with friends.  Still Killzone is a bit superior if you're looking for a teamgame FPS.  I love how they have rolling game modes and tend to have some of the best FPS maps not on PC.  KZ sucks for the lone wolves though.


You.  Stop talking.

/missing KZ Shadow Fall
//long story, involves a gaming buddy in Michigan, his sick wife and financial trouble
 
2013-11-22 05:20:11 PM  

Luse: Personal attacks are a sure sign of a strong position. The very words you try to place in my mouth came from turn 10.


Turn 10 said that the game was 60fps/1080p because MS cloud strategy essentially allowed them to drop in the online features and not worrying about them, allowing the developers the time to focus on making sure the game runs in 1080p60. It is right there in the interview I linked to, word for word. The article that was very explicit about Turn 10's comments not being the same as claiming Forza can't do 1080p60 without the cloud.

Just because Microsoft CLAIMS something does not make it true, unless you think all of their claims have been completely honest in the past.

Wow. That's pretty weak. "MS IS EVIL SO THIS PATENTLY UNTRUE BULLSHIAT I'M SAYING MIGHT BE TRUE."

Not to mention that we were talking about something the Turn 10 developers said, not something MS said. You don't mentally track very well, do you?

If you wanted to really prove me wrong, which I may be, you would maybe link to a 3rd party test of an Xbone running Forza 5 offline in 1080p @60fps.

How can you prove a negative? I've read dozens of reviews of Forza - all of them mention that the game looks gorgeous in 1080p60, and not a single one mentions a massive resolution drop for offline play. Why? Because the framerate drop DOESN'T EXIST.

Turn it around - find me one review that shows such a framerate drop DOES exist. I've looked, and I can't find it. Since you seem so sure of this info, you shouldn't have any problem providing such a link.

Additionally, if Forza did drop from 1080p60 to 720p30 without the cloud - it would be farking revolutionary. It would be plastered across the front page of every gaming sight known to man, because it would illustrate that, despite everyone's expectations, MS server technology is capable of providing massive computational increases on a home console and streaming them live to players. There would be almost no limits to the awesomeness MS could do. I would literally run out and buy an Xbone and buy it today is it were true that MS has that kind of technological prowess sitting in its back pocket.

You would do that if you weren't so busy being a douche.

It's not a douche to point out that you're stupid for believing something stupid, and providing you with sources to back up my point.

Being a douche would be posting complete bullshiat and utter lies in a thread because of your irrational hatred for a company, and then spinning elaborate, paranoid fantasies about how MS is going to use this non-existent resolution drop to force users to buy xbox live gold or game at a lower resolution.
 
2013-11-22 05:20:30 PM  

Luse: justtray: Luse: Cross thread shiatting. A new low for you. Are you ever going to get around to actually answering anything or are you just going to run around and call people names?

See above. Next time, ask the question of things you don't understand instead of passing your misunderstandings off as fact and demanding that everyone politely correct your ignorance.

Also see above. Show me an independent offline test and I will admit I'm wrong about it not being 1080p. I simply won't take Microsoft's word for it.


I would have thought it would be common sense that being connected to the internet has nothing to do with the resolution that a game can be run at. How would that even work?
 
Juc
2013-11-22 05:23:01 PM  
I'll say more or less the same thing I said in the ps4 thread.
It's a little silly to be jumping on hardware failure in the first days unless it's obviously some HUGE percentage of consoles that are bricked.
Anybody who expects 0 failures something like this is overly optimistic.
 
2013-11-22 05:23:31 PM  

Luse: Also see above. Show me an independent offline test and I will admit I'm wrong about it not being 1080p. I simply won't take Microsoft's word for it.


Show me where it says it will be 720p offline as opposed to "the availability of the cloud allowed us time to focus more on graphics". I have tried, and all I can find are forums filled with people laughing at those who believe that an internet connection adds pixels.
 
2013-11-22 05:27:01 PM  

Lucky LaRue: Microsoft already said they weren't going to allow off-line updating of the XBox One.


Bullshiat .They had the downloadable day one patch online for about a week already for USB
 
2013-11-22 05:29:41 PM  

Elegy: Luse: Personal attacks are a sure sign of a strong position. The very words you try to place in my mouth came from turn 10.

Turn 10 said that the game was 60fps/1080p because MS cloud strategy essentially allowed them to drop in the online features and not worrying about them, allowing the developers the time to focus on making sure the game runs in 1080p60. It is right there in the interview I linked to, word for word. The article that was very explicit about Turn 10's comments not being the same as claiming Forza can't do 1080p60 without the cloud.

Just because Microsoft CLAIMS something does not make it true, unless you think all of their claims have been completely honest in the past.

Wow. That's pretty weak. "MS IS EVIL SO THIS PATENTLY UNTRUE BULLSHIAT I'M SAYING MIGHT BE TRUE."

Not to mention that we were talking about something the Turn 10 developers said, not something MS said. You don't mentally track very well, do you?

If you wanted to really prove me wrong, which I may be, you would maybe link to a 3rd party test of an Xbone running Forza 5 offline in 1080p @60fps.

How can you prove a negative? I've read dozens of reviews of Forza - all of them mention that the game looks gorgeous in 1080p60, and not a single one mentions a massive resolution drop for offline play. Why? Because the framerate drop DOESN'T EXIST.

Turn it around - find me one review that shows such a framerate drop DOES exist. I've looked, and I can't find it. Since you seem so sure of this info, you shouldn't have any problem providing such a link.

Additionally, if Forza did drop from 1080p60 to 720p30 without the cloud - it would be farking revolutionary. It would be plastered across the front page of every gaming sight known to man, because it would illustrate that, despite everyone's expectations, MS server technology is capable of providing massive computational increases on a home console and streaming them live to players. There would be almost no limits to the awesomeness M ...


Ok, then please explain in great detail what the cloud technology actually does. Turn 10 has had to "clarify" their statements. You mention that no review mentions a "massive resolution drop". Does any review mention the conditions of their test? I'm assuming most of the tests are conducted online, with a gold account, "as the game was intended".

It's not my fault that MS AND Turn 10 have made a shiatload of claims that just don't make sense. If I hear someone making crazy claims, then backtracking, then making other claims then backtracking I will naturally be skeptical of what they are saying. I don't have MS hatred. The 360 was my goto console in the last gen, even tho I own both. I simply won't take everything they say at face value.

"MS server technology is capable of providing massive computational increases on a home console and streaming them live to players."

Microsoft has even claimed that very thing. They've stated that the hardware advantage (better ram) and the fact that the PS4 has more resources dedicated to gaming won't matter because of that very thing. Not my fault if they spew bullshiat, then backtrack and I refuse to buy their new line of bullshiat hook line and sinker.
 
2013-11-22 05:31:06 PM  

Dragonflew: Luse: Also see above. Show me an independent offline test and I will admit I'm wrong about it not being 1080p. I simply won't take Microsoft's word for it.

Show me where it says it will be 720p offline as opposed to "the availability of the cloud allowed us time to focus more on graphics". I have tried, and all I can find are forums filled with people laughing at those who believe that an internet connection adds pixels.


I've already said this sounds hokey to me. Microsoft claims that their cloud increases performance, not I.
 
2013-11-22 05:31:12 PM  
I posted on their tech support forums if it would satisfy the always-on requirements if I just fedex'd my packets instead.

Still waiting for the the delivery guy to bring me my response.
 
2013-11-22 05:34:26 PM  

Dragonflew: Luse: Also see above. Show me an independent offline test and I will admit I'm wrong about it not being 1080p. I simply won't take Microsoft's word for it.

Show me where it says it will be 720p offline as opposed to "the availability of the cloud allowed us time to focus more on graphics". I have tried, and all I can find are forums filled with people laughing at those who believe that an internet connection adds pixels.


I found this one:

http://www.fark.com/comments/8029880/Some-Xbox-One-owners-are-report in g-a-malfunctioning-inoperable-disc-drive-Well-thats-one-way-to-force-p eople-into-digital-downloads&new=1#new
 
2013-11-22 05:41:08 PM  
Enjoying my WiiU but may get a PS4 or XBone next year if I have time and/or money. I'll wait to see which wins round 1.
 
2013-11-22 05:43:05 PM  

Luse: Ok, then please explain in great detail what the cloud technology actually does. Turn 10 has had to "clarify" their statements. You mention that no review mentions a "massive resolution drop". Does any review mention the conditions of their test? I'm assuming most of the tests are conducted online, with a gold account, "as the game was intended".

It's not my fault that MS AND Turn 10 have made a shiatload of claims that just don't make sense. If I hear someone making crazy claims, then backtracking, then making other claims then backtracking I will naturally be skeptical of what they are saying. I don't have MS hatred. The 360 was my goto console in the last gen, even tho I own both. I simply won't take everything they say at face value.

"MS server technology is capable of providing massive computational increases on a home console and streaming them live to players."

Microsoft has even claimed that very thing. They've stated that the hardware advantage (better ram) and the fact that the PS4 has more resources dedicated to gaming won't matter because of that very thing. Not my fault if they spew bullshiat, then backtrack and I refuse to buy their new line of bullshiat hook line and sinker.


Are you serious man? I literally just told you.

Luse: I don't believe it would. Turn 10 has been less then clear in their claims. I also saw some article that said that the online processing helps the tire and suspension physics. It also sounds hokey to me.

As for the bold, WTF? This was ALSO disproven to you.

Elegy: To be clear, this isn't the same as saying that the game won't run as advertised without an internet connection, only that Microsoft has shouldered the burden of providing and tuning the servers, which has allowed Turn 10 to focus on maintaining 1080p.

AND Microsoft never made that claim. Something else Elegy corrected you in the same post....
 
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