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(Kotaku)   Some Xbox One owners are reporting a malfunctioning or inoperable disc drive. Well that's one way to force people into digital downloads   (kotaku.com) divider line 246
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2013-11-22 02:21:57 PM

realmolo: Personally, I would like to see MS and Sony just keep supporting the Xbox 360 and the PS3. Make them cheap, keep them going forever. I mean, why not?


They said there will still be over 100 games to be released for the PS3/360. I don't have any plans to upgrade for a while. At least until all the kinks are worked out and they get a solid game base.
 
2013-11-22 02:23:01 PM

Decillion: hammer85: Surool: hammer85: I notice a distinct lack of frepnog in this thread.  Unsurprising.

Now who will explain to us that XBone failures don't matter, but PS4 failures count twice as much? Who else is going to say less than a day's worth of XBone failures is all we get while a weeks worth of PS4 failures is the tip of the iceberg that will sink Sony?

I don't want to live in a world where this doesn't happen.

It may seem like trolling but it's kind of true. I'll break it down. For the Xbox Fanboys it's like getting a box a Crayola crayons with two crayons of the same colour. Not a big deal but goddamn it, this was supposed to be perfect after the 360 heat thing.

The Sony Fanboys are barely able to contain their combination of rage and embarrassment because their box of crayons are ALL blue and melted together. A bigger deal.  So far...


Not even trolling.  The last Sony thread was completely threadshiatted on with constant "xbone will be perfect on launch just you wait" "1% failure rate is 100% for those effected" and other various nonsense.

Both consoles are experiencing failure...as is expected of any launch.  As long as none goes full blown RROD and the customer service is adequate I think both will do well, and its best for all of us if they do.

I just hate that both systems are releasing with such barebones titles.  I mean its been 8 years, no one worked on anything for this?  The new metal gear solid and infamous should have been release day games for the ps4, and titanfall and a halo game (destiny?) for the xbone.

Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

/still disappointed that dark souls 2 isn't going for the ps4
 
2013-11-22 02:24:18 PM

Glitchwerks: [i.imgur.com image 850x478] Microsoft.

Charging you more for less.


apparently Gran Turismo 6 is implementing a similar "real money for fake money" system... rather than moving on from "grinding for cars" as a concept, both Turn 10 and Polyphony are just doubling down on new revenue streams it seems

which is seriously disappointing because i'm honestly burned out on that whole model of game, after the 5th Gran Turismo and 4th Forza there's only so many times you can have fun racing the same cars on the same tracks over and over to buy the same cars with the same modifications just to race them on the same tracks against the same annoying drivers online

i wish i had tried out forza horizon before getting rid of my 360, that looked like a lot of fun
 
2013-11-22 02:24:55 PM

scottydoesntknow: kab: [i0.kym-cdn.com image 500x387]

For being a master race, it's pretty sad he still lives with his mom.


PC gamer families can afford to keep their offspring around until they are past childhood, no need to sell them all off for medical experiments.

/Every PC gamer is sacred.
//That song is now stuck in your head.
 
2013-11-22 02:25:44 PM
Jesus farking Christ.  Are we going to get a thread like this when every single product that comes out has some defective units?
 
2013-11-22 02:26:21 PM

justtray: HeartBurnKid: skozlaw: So, basically, the big news is that two consumer electronic devices launched successfully with acceptable failure rates and responsive help from the companies for the few people affected?

/ I was promised blood in the streets!

Pretty much this.  Seems like both consoles had pretty reasonable failure rates.  Personally, I'd be more concerned with the fact that the XB1 runs some titles at 720p that PS4 runs at 900p or 1080p, and the implications that has down the line, but perhaps that's just me.

Thats a software issue mostly.

Additionally, the reviews of 720p vs 1080 comparing PS4 and Xbox have reported no visual difference.


No, it's really not a software issue. The XB1 simply has fewer shaders and slower memory available to it. MS claimed we wouldn't see a practical difference from this, and yet, we already are.

And the question isn't the difference between 1080p and 720p today (though I wouldn't be so quick to put faith in your reports, since the ability to spot the differences in resolution is going to vary greatly depending on screen size and quality, and viewing distance). The question is, what happens as graphics continue to grow more elaborate and technology marches on? Consoles are meant to stick around for years, after all. Eventually, AAA games will be so elaborate that the PS4 can only handle them at 720p... and what then for the XB1? Because even if you can't see the difference between 720p and 1080p, I guarantee you will see the difference between 480p and 720p.
 
2013-11-22 02:26:28 PM

realmolo: The thing about the new consoles is that they aren't that much better than the last consoles. I mean, yeah, the hardware is way more powerful and everything, but the graphics aren't all that much better. We've hit a plateau, graphically, especially since TVs are locked at 1920x1080.

Personally, I would like to see MS and Sony just keep supporting the Xbox 360 and the PS3. Make them cheap, keep them going forever. I mean, why not?


if there were a theme to this new crop of consoles it's either "refinement" or "inbreeding"... not a lot of innovation, but i guess that's the message these companies got when people said they were fine with the ps3 and 360 for years to come
 
2013-11-22 02:26:59 PM

hammer85: Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.


Don't forget a Free-2-Play Killer Instinct that comes with one character

/What were they thinking with that?!
 
2013-11-22 02:27:30 PM

realmolo: The thing about the new consoles is that they aren't that much better than the last consoles. I mean, yeah, the hardware is way more powerful and everything, but the graphics aren't all that much better. We've hit a plateau, graphically, especially since TVs are locked at 1920x1080.


the issue is that you are equating resolution with meaning anything whatever.  It really doesn't.  Fact is that just like last gen, as the new games get more and more detailed, 1080p is going to mostly be a pipe dream on both consoles (if you want to maintain 60 frames).  both are still relatively anemic machines, PC hardware is ALREADY several generations ahead of the new consoles, and new games are going to do nothing but get more detailed.

People that think graphics have plateaued are in for some shocking surprises as devs get a handle on these machines.

Think about the graphical differences between, oh, say Mass Effect 1 and 3.  3 looks like it should be on a completely different console.  There was a generational upgrade IN SOFTWARE on the 360\PS3, which is the only reason that the current gen consoles lasted so long.  Games are going to freaking LEAPFROG what is currently possible, and in pretty short order.

In a couple years tho, I'm betting you that BOTH new consoles are going to be struggling with 720p games, let alone 1080.

Think about a GTA game that simply looks like reality.  GTA5 looks good.  The first REAL GTA game on the next gen machines is going to astound.
 
2013-11-22 02:28:37 PM
Never buy a console at launch. It sounds like both systems are coming out of the gate just fine. The failure rates seem pretty normal for a modern console. I will probably buy a PS4. Better specs and they aren't going to make me pay 100 bucks for a motion camera I don't want. I will miss my gamer score on xbox live but it's a small matter. I won't do anything until the first price drop though.
 
2013-11-22 02:28:56 PM

scottydoesntknow: hammer85: Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

Don't forget a Free-2-Play Killer Instinct that comes with one character

/What were they thinking with that?!


Seriously?  I thought it was a regular game.  That's just awful.
 
2013-11-22 02:28:57 PM

Rwa2play: olapbill: Smeggy Smurf: Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys

derpy derp detected

When did a post from a politics thread come over here?


Blind allegiance between two parties that are mostly looking just to line their wallets with cash from suckers?  People jumping to absurd conclusions or resorting to fallacies instead of facts?  Experience from political threads crosses over well to console war threads.
 
2013-11-22 02:29:33 PM

hammer85: Decillion: hammer85: Surool: hammer85: I notice a distinct lack of frepnog in this thread.  Unsurprising.

Now who will explain to us that XBone failures don't matter, but PS4 failures count twice as much? Who else is going to say less than a day's worth of XBone failures is all we get while a weeks worth of PS4 failures is the tip of the iceberg that will sink Sony?

I don't want to live in a world where this doesn't happen.

It may seem like trolling but it's kind of true. I'll break it down. For the Xbox Fanboys it's like getting a box a Crayola crayons with two crayons of the same colour. Not a big deal but goddamn it, this was supposed to be perfect after the 360 heat thing.

The Sony Fanboys are barely able to contain their combination of rage and embarrassment because their box of crayons are ALL blue and melted together. A bigger deal.  So far...

Not even trolling.  The last Sony thread was completely threadshiatted on with constant "xbone will be perfect on launch just you wait" "1% failure rate is 100% for those effected" and other various nonsense.

Both consoles are experiencing failure...as is expected of any launch.  As long as none goes full blown RROD and the customer service is adequate I think both will do well, and its best for all of us if they do.

I just hate that both systems are releasing with such barebones titles.  I mean its been 8 years, no one worked on anything for this?  The new metal gear solid and infamous should have been release day games for the ps4, and titanfall and a halo game (destiny?) for the xbone.

Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

/still disappointed that dark souls 2 isn't going for the ps4


There's also going to be quite a few titles that are released new and last-gen.  I really would have liked to have seen new exclusive IPs for both consoles since it tends to have the rising tides affect.  Here's hoping the new year gets that ball rolling.
 
2013-11-22 02:30:59 PM

Wettner: Has anyone heard about how plentiful supply will be for the holiday season on both systems (PS4, Xbone)?


Both companies limited their global release to try and have more units available in the targeted countries, but the latest I read this morning is neither company thinks there are going to be many units available to just walk in and pick up off the shelf before the holidays are over.
 
2013-11-22 02:31:57 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Jesus farking Christ.  Are we going to get a thread like this when every single product that comes out has some defective units?


Welcome to fark. That's all we do now - wait for the next schadenfreude opportunity.
 
2013-11-22 02:33:26 PM

olapbill: ManateeGag: AdamK:
-great controller comfort
-non gimmicky premise

based on these 2, this has to be a troll.

-interesting online community  ... or counting to potato based on this one.


Despite it's size it's actually one of the most comfortable controllers I've used.

/has used controllers for PlayStation, 360, and Genesis in addition to all Nintendo consoles
 
2013-11-22 02:35:09 PM

Flappyhead: hammer85: Decillion: hammer85: Surool: hammer85: I notice a distinct lack of frepnog in this thread.  Unsurprising.

Now who will explain to us that XBone failures don't matter, but PS4 failures count twice as much? Who else is going to say less than a day's worth of XBone failures is all we get while a weeks worth of PS4 failures is the tip of the iceberg that will sink Sony?

I don't want to live in a world where this doesn't happen.

It may seem like trolling but it's kind of true. I'll break it down. For the Xbox Fanboys it's like getting a box a Crayola crayons with two crayons of the same colour. Not a big deal but goddamn it, this was supposed to be perfect after the 360 heat thing.

The Sony Fanboys are barely able to contain their combination of rage and embarrassment because their box of crayons are ALL blue and melted together. A bigger deal.  So far...

Not even trolling.  The last Sony thread was completely threadshiatted on with constant "xbone will be perfect on launch just you wait" "1% failure rate is 100% for those effected" and other various nonsense.

Both consoles are experiencing failure...as is expected of any launch.  As long as none goes full blown RROD and the customer service is adequate I think both will do well, and its best for all of us if they do.

I just hate that both systems are releasing with such barebones titles.  I mean its been 8 years, no one worked on anything for this?  The new metal gear solid and infamous should have been release day games for the ps4, and titanfall and a halo game (destiny?) for the xbone.

Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

/still disappointed that dark souls 2 isn't going for the ps4

There's also going to be quite a few titles that are released new and last-gen.  I really would have liked to have seen new exclusive IPs for both consoles since it tends to have the rising tides affect.  Here's hoping the new year gets that ball rolling.


Ya, I ignored those since they're kinda pointless.  I want to get a new console, but I hate FPSes, so why would I get a ps4 right now?  The new metal gear solid game, kingdom hearts 3, ff15, or infamous second son would have had me camped out.
 
2013-11-22 02:35:53 PM

hammer85: scottydoesntknow: hammer85: Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

Don't forget a Free-2-Play Killer Instinct that comes with one character

/What were they thinking with that?!

Seriously?  I thought it was a regular game.  That's just awful.


It is, and it isn't. The free version comes with one character. You can then buy characters individually, or buy the full package for $20. Which, to be honest, I have zero problem with.
 
2013-11-22 02:36:27 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Wettner: Has anyone heard about how plentiful supply will be for the holiday season on both systems (PS4, Xbone)?

Both companies limited their global release to try and have more units available in the targeted countries, but the latest I read this morning is neither company thinks there are going to be many units available to just walk in and pick up off the shelf before the holidays are over.


One of my holiday traditions is trampling over some older human being en route to the "hottest" toy of the year. If supply will be steady and easy, what will I stampede for?
 
2013-11-22 02:37:03 PM

JohnBigBootay: Shrugging Atlas: Jesus farking Christ.  Are we going to get a thread like this when every single product that comes out has some defective units?

Welcome to fark. That's all we do now - wait for the next schadenfreude opportunity.


I get the schadenfreude...but I don't even see that here.  Even if I just massively favored (or hated) one console over the other...we're talking about hundreds of consoles out of millions between the two companies.  That's not schadenfreude worthy...hell it's hardly worthy of mention.

I have an xbox showing up at my house in a couple of hours but I still thought this entire conversation was retarded when we were talking about the PS4 last week.  I've survived on the politics tab for years, but I think the console threads may have finally beaten me.
 
2013-11-22 02:37:38 PM

XMark: What's really exciting me is the possible major comeback of VR starting next year with the release of the Oculus Rift.


Now that is something I'm very interested in. Not only for 3D gaming, but for a much more immersive 3D movie experience.

realmolo: The thing about the new consoles is that they aren't that much better than the last consoles. I mean, yeah, the hardware is way more powerful and everything, but the graphics aren't all that much better. We've hit a plateau, graphically, especially since TVs are locked at 1920x1080.


It's more than just graphics. It's also number of characters animated, interactive environments, draw distance, AI, and plenty of other gameplay enhancements. Give it a few years and you'll see games that really take advantage of these new specs.

Personally, I would like to see MS and Sony just keep supporting the Xbox 360 and the PS3. Make them cheap, keep them going forever. I mean, why not?

As someone who just got a PS3 this year, I'd be more than happy if they supported these systems for another few years. At the very least, I'll settle for continued online support. I plan to have a lot of fun with this system while I wait for these new ones to sort themselves out.
 
2013-11-22 02:38:02 PM
Decillion:Xbox One will have no issues.
 
2013-11-22 02:38:13 PM
Like I said... It's smarter to wait six months to a year to let them:

1. Fix all the bugs and launch issues.
2. Build up a library of games worth playing.
3. Begin to lower game prices under $60.
4. Lower the price of the main console.

It's absolutely stupid to be a guinea pig sucker and beta test the new consoles for $400/$500 a pop when you'll have very little "advance experience" by the time the issues are fixed, the consoles are cheaper, and the libraries are full of games worth playing.

Waiting also gives me a chance to sit back and see which console actually ends up being worthwhile.
 
2013-11-22 02:38:18 PM

frepnog: realmolo: The thing about the new consoles is that they aren't that much better than the last consoles. I mean, yeah, the hardware is way more powerful and everything, but the graphics aren't all that much better. We've hit a plateau, graphically, especially since TVs are locked at 1920x1080.

the issue is that you are equating resolution with meaning anything whatever.  It really doesn't.  Fact is that just like last gen, as the new games get more and more detailed, 1080p is going to mostly be a pipe dream on both consoles (if you want to maintain 60 frames).  both are still relatively anemic machines, PC hardware is ALREADY several generations ahead of the new consoles, and new games are going to do nothing but get more detailed.

People that think graphics have plateaued are in for some shocking surprises as devs get a handle on these machines.

Think about the graphical differences between, oh, say Mass Effect 1 and 3.  3 looks like it should be on a completely different console.  There was a generational upgrade IN SOFTWARE on the 360\PS3, which is the only reason that the current gen consoles lasted so long.  Games are going to freaking LEAPFROG what is currently possible, and in pretty short order.

In a couple years tho, I'm betting you that BOTH new consoles are going to be struggling with 720p games, let alone 1080.

Think about a GTA game that simply looks like reality.  GTA5 looks good.  The first REAL GTA game on the next gen machines is going to astound.


sure, the 360 and PS3 both had some native 1080p games early on but later abandoned the idea because of more demanding graphics later on
 
2013-11-22 02:38:41 PM

Wettner: One of my holiday traditions is trampling over some older human being en route to the "hottest" toy of the year. If supply will be steady and easy, what will I stampede for?


My advice?  In my family we go through great pains to crush the old and weak for the latest Elmo toy if nothing else is available.  That's a safe go to no matter what year it is.
 
2013-11-22 02:40:51 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Wettner: Has anyone heard about how plentiful supply will be for the holiday season on both systems (PS4, Xbone)?

Both companies limited their global release to try and have more units available in the targeted countries, but the latest I read this morning is neither company thinks there are going to be many units available to just walk in and pick up off the shelf before the holidays are over.


i think you're probably better off waiting until Titanfall and Infamous 3 release anyways

best of all would be just saying "hmmm, i want a ps4/xbone" and just walking into a store and buying it, no lines, no running around store to store, no worrying about stock... it's just *there*, and likely less faulty than the launch day beta testers
 
2013-11-22 02:41:01 PM

ZeroCorpse: Like I said... It's smarter to wait six months to a year to let them:

1. Fix all the bugs and launch issues.
2. Build up a library of games worth playing.
3. Begin to lower game prices under $60.
4. Lower the price of the main console.

It's absolutely stupid to be a guinea pig sucker and beta test the new consoles for $400/$500 a pop when you'll have very little "advance experience" by the time the issues are fixed, the consoles are cheaper, and the libraries are full of games worth playing.

Waiting also gives me a chance to sit back and see which console actually ends up being worthwhile.


i don't get the smarter comment.  If someone has the disposable income and the inclination,  why is it an issue?
 
2013-11-22 02:41:28 PM

scottydoesntknow: hammer85: Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

Don't forget a Free-2-Play Killer Instinct that comes with one character

/What were they thinking with that?!


Glad I held out. The only title that really interested me was Forza, and now it's got the RM4FM model and can't even give me 1080p? Fark you Microsoft.
 
2013-11-22 02:43:47 PM

Glitchwerks: [i.imgur.com image 850x478] Microsoft.

Charging you more for less.


I've never seen that before. At first I was thinking. Well they just mispriced the 100, it should be $2. But then they also mispriced the 2000, it should be $39 not $49.
That's just a giant royal, WTF, right there.
 
2013-11-22 02:44:01 PM

hammer85: scottydoesntknow: hammer85: Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

Don't forget a Free-2-Play Killer Instinct that comes with one character

/What were they thinking with that?!

Seriously?  I thought it was a regular game.  That's just awful.


A quick google search shows that it's $20 for the game with all the characters and $40 for the "proper" release with character costumes and whatnot. Doesn't seem too bad to me, the free version is just a demo to see if you like it I suppose. At the very least the free character rotates, so it offers some variety.
 
2013-11-22 02:45:36 PM

UrCa: hammer85: scottydoesntknow: hammer85: Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

Don't forget a Free-2-Play Killer Instinct that comes with one character

/What were they thinking with that?!

Seriously?  I thought it was a regular game.  That's just awful.

A quick google search shows that it's $20 for the game with all the characters and $40 for the "proper" release with character costumes and whatnot. Doesn't seem too bad to me, the free version is just a demo to see if you like it I suppose. At the very least the free character rotates, so it offers some variety.


That's not bad then.  A lot of free-to-plays (LoL, Infinite Crisis, Marvel Heroes) have been going that route.  The one character seems incredibly limited though.
 
2013-11-22 02:46:27 PM

HeartBurnKid: hammer85: scottydoesntknow: hammer85: Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

Don't forget a Free-2-Play Killer Instinct that comes with one character

/What were they thinking with that?!

Seriously?  I thought it was a regular game.  That's just awful.

It is, and it isn't. The free version comes with one character. You can then buy characters individually, or buy the full package for $20. Which, to be honest, I have zero problem with.


It's launching with just 6 characters, with two more to be released in the next 6 months.

That's pretty pathetic for a fighting game. Hell the original KI back in 1994 had 10 (11 including the boss).
 
2013-11-22 02:46:37 PM

Luse: Glad I held out. The only title that really interested me was Forza, and now it's got the RM4FM model and can't even give me 1080p? Fark you Microsoft.


Something about this post smells ignorant and uninformed.....
 
2013-11-22 02:47:07 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys


I PC game for some stuff (mostly Civ and RTS-style games, some platformers too), but I just prefer a console for most of my gaming. Probably this is because I grew up with an Atari joystick and then a NES controller in my hands.

I also like knowing that if I get a disc for my PS4, it will definitely run optimally. Sometimes, I'll download a game from Steam or GOG and it doesn't really run well at all. :(
 
2013-11-22 02:47:23 PM

Dragonflew: Decillion:Xbox One will have no issues.


In my defense I was in a drunken stupor.

But I stand by it. 3 videos on youtube is not an issue.
 
2013-11-22 02:54:08 PM

Decillion: Dragonflew: Decillion:Xbox One will have no issues.

In my defense I was in a drunken stupor.

But I stand by it. 3 videos on youtube is not an issue.

http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1r6wb3/xbox_one_issues_so_f ar /


It's a little bit more than that, but not by much.  It looks like there's a little bit less of an issue than the PS4 had.  Well within the acceptable range of defects, anyways.

I'm actually kind of surprised it's going as well as it is.  But, the day is young, I suppose...
 
2013-11-22 02:54:10 PM

realmolo: The thing about the new consoles is that they aren't that much better than the last consoles. I mean, yeah, the hardware is way more powerful and everything, but the graphics aren't all that much better. We've hit a plateau, graphically, especially since TVs are locked at 1920x1080.

Personally, I would like to see MS and Sony just keep supporting the Xbox 360 and the PS3. Make them cheap, keep them going forever. I mean, why not?


Yep.  I'm considering trying to get one of the $199 PS3 bundles on African American Friday.  Between the current library and future games that should give me plenty to enjoy until the PS4 is at $199.
 
2013-11-22 02:54:18 PM
Thanks for beta testing the consoles for me.  I'll pick one in the summer after more games launch and the bugs are ironed out.
 
2013-11-22 02:54:20 PM
I'll get a new XBox or PS4 when there's a game exclusive to it I HAVE to have.  Not before.
 
2013-11-22 02:54:28 PM

Smelly McUgly: Smeggy Smurf: Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys

I PC game for some stuff (mostly Civ and RTS-style games, some platformers too), but I just prefer a console for most of my gaming. Probably this is because I grew up with an Atari joystick and then a NES controller in my hands.

I also like knowing that if I get a disc for my PS4, it will definitely run optimally. Sometimes, I'll download a game from Steam or GOG and it doesn't really run well at all. :(


what kills me here is sometimes there is no rhyme or reason to it.  The Swapper, for instance.  By all standards I can see, my machine should run that no issue.  Game REFUSES to run.  The Cave?  Runs great at 720, is a slideshow at 1080.  L4D 1 and 2?  LIKE BUTTER at 1080 (all steam).
 
2013-11-22 02:55:47 PM

olapbill: ZeroCorpse: Like I said... It's smarter to wait six months to a year to let them:

1. Fix all the bugs and launch issues.
2. Build up a library of games worth playing.
3. Begin to lower game prices under $60.
4. Lower the price of the main console.

It's absolutely stupid to be a guinea pig sucker and beta test the new consoles for $400/$500 a pop when you'll have very little "advance experience" by the time the issues are fixed, the consoles are cheaper, and the libraries are full of games worth playing.

Waiting also gives me a chance to sit back and see which console actually ends up being worthwhile.

i don't get the smarter comment.  If someone has the disposable income and the inclination,  why is it an issue?


He's just looking for a reason to tell us why his purchase of a 400$ touch tablet is 'smarter' than buying a console when he already has a gaming rig, a console, a smart phone, and I'm assuming another laptop and iPad.

The technology isn't going to be invalidated by later releases, and the release hardware is what's going to be deployed for at least the first year, so if you're excited about something and can afford it, it makes sense. It's like saying you're stupid to go to a water park because they're expensive and you can sit in the dishwasher for free.
 
2013-11-22 02:56:23 PM

ColSanders: Yep. I'm considering trying to get one of the $199 PS3 bundles on African American Friday.


fark that.  go pick up a good used PS3 at a pawn shop for <70 bucks and spend the rest on games.  Hell, you might even score one with ps2 back compat.
 
2013-11-22 02:59:39 PM

Smelly McUgly: Smeggy Smurf: Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys

I PC game for some stuff (mostly Civ and RTS-style games, some platformers too), but I just prefer a console for most of my gaming. Probably this is because I grew up with an Atari joystick and then a NES controller in my hands.

I also like knowing that if I get a disc for my PS4, it will definitely run optimally. Sometimes, I'll download a game from Steam or GOG and it doesn't really run well at all. :(


I've got a couple Logitech F710 gamepads for my computer, and have my entertainment center setup in such a way they it's ridiculously easy for me to attach it to my system downstairs if I feel like playing on the big screen. I do find myself gravitating a lot to games I can play with the controller lately, but Steam has got a pretty good selection now, and their Big Picture interface works fine for me.

I haven't seen any issues playing Steam games unless my backups started running while I was playing, but then that's always the thing with PC gaming, how good an experience it is largely depends on what type of hardware you've got.

I went in to look at the PS4 and Xbone at the mall yesterday, and just didn't see anything in the games for those two that I wanted to play and couldn't get off Steam (probably at a much reduced price at either the Christmas or summer sales).
 
2013-11-22 03:01:04 PM

ZeroCorpse: Like I said... It's smarter to wait six months to a year to let them:

1. Fix all the bugs and launch issues.
2. Build up a library of games worth playing.
3. Begin to lower game prices under $60.
4. Lower the price of the main console.

It's absolutely stupid to be a guinea pig sucker and beta test the new consoles for $400/$500 a pop when you'll have very little "advance experience" by the time the issues are fixed, the consoles are cheaper, and the libraries are full of games worth playing.

Waiting also gives me a chance to sit back and see which console actually ends up being worthwhile.


I'm waiting, partially because of the 'bugs' bit, and partially because I want to see if a hardware revision is in the works within a year or two.
 
2013-11-22 03:01:29 PM

frepnog: ColSanders: Yep. I'm considering trying to get one of the $199 PS3 bundles on African American Friday.

fark that.  go pick up a good used PS3 at a pawn shop for <70 bucks and spend the rest on games.  Hell, you might even score one with ps2 back compat.


I thought of that, but with my luck the console would die in a matter of weeks.  The $199 bundle is a decent deal considering it comes with two games, so the PS3 itself only comes out to around $100.
 
2013-11-22 03:03:25 PM

ZeroCorpse: It's absolutely stupid to be a guinea pig sucker and beta test the new consoles


Your insults are getting really old and tired. Like I said before, some of us like to watch something grow from its infancy, and have a lot of fun doing so.
 
2013-11-22 03:05:05 PM

kroonermanblack: He's just looking for a reason to tell us why his purchase of a 400$ touch tablet is 'smarter' than buying a console when he already has a gaming rig, a console, a smart phone, and I'm assuming another laptop and iPad.


You should have seen it a couple of years ago when his PSP was better than anything at everything.
 
2013-11-22 03:06:22 PM
So I want to get an Xbox One today. I'm in the greater San Diego area.

Fark, find me somewhere that has it in stock!

I'm gonna get it just to get it, now that there doesn't appear to be any major faults. I probably won't even play any games on it for a few weeks. I really like the multimedia aspect.
 
2013-11-22 03:08:23 PM

Dragonflew: kroonermanblack: He's just looking for a reason to tell us why his purchase of a 400$ touch tablet is 'smarter' than buying a console when he already has a gaming rig, a console, a smart phone, and I'm assuming another laptop and iPad.

You should have seen it a couple of years ago when his PSP was better than anything at everything.


On  that note, the Vita that has been getting not much use up until now is getting used daily now for remote play to my PS4.  It's pretty damn cool.
 
2013-11-22 03:10:01 PM

olapbill: Dragonflew: kroonermanblack: He's just looking for a reason to tell us why his purchase of a 400$ touch tablet is 'smarter' than buying a console when he already has a gaming rig, a console, a smart phone, and I'm assuming another laptop and iPad.

You should have seen it a couple of years ago when his PSP was better than anything at everything.

On  that note, the Vita that has been getting not much use up until now is getting used daily now for remote play to my PS4.  It's pretty damn cool.


Can it handle every PS4 game through remote play?
 
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