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(Kotaku)   Some Xbox One owners are reporting a malfunctioning or inoperable disc drive. Well that's one way to force people into digital downloads   (kotaku.com) divider line 246
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2013-11-22 11:44:04 AM  
Microsoft already said they weren't going to allow off-line updating of the XBox One.
 
2013-11-22 11:47:27 AM  
wait, I thought the X Box One was going to be the most flawless piece of machinery known to man and make people who are experiencing ps4 issues drop Sony forever!
 
2013-11-22 11:57:42 AM  

ManateeGag: wait, I thought the X Box One was going to be the most flawless piece of machinery known to man and make people who are experiencing ps4 issues drop Sony forever!


Nah.  That's just what the PS4 fan boyz are telling each other to boost their morale after such poor judgement in console selection.
 
2013-11-22 12:59:17 PM  
What I've seen so far indicates that it has been a pretty successful launch - I'm seeing less reports of failures than for the PS4 during the same period of its launch. The issues on the xbone also seemed confined (for the moment) to a single hardware issue, rather than the gamut of issues that cropped up on the PS4.

That said, I'm pretty sure the folks at Microsoft had a pretty bad night last night, after a hiccup with MS' cloud servers knocked pretty much all of their infrastructure out. For a minute there Outlook, Office365, xbox.com and XBLA all went down at the same time.
 
2013-11-22 01:16:19 PM  
Pffft, real gamers buy the Wii U.
 
2013-11-22 01:19:17 PM  
Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys
 
2013-11-22 01:19:29 PM  

Elegy: That said, I'm pretty sure the folks at Microsoft had a pretty bad night last night, after a hiccup with MS' cloud servers knocked pretty much all of their infrastructure out. For a minute there Outlook, Office365, xbox.com and XBLA all went down at the same time.


EGADS! That practically an apocalypse!

I've been following the XB1 support forums this a.m.  It looks like there's something like 50-100 people having disc or power supply issues.  A few more having some type of controller issue and a few kinnect issues.  There's like 600 1 star ratings on amazon, but almost all of those jerkoffs are just trolling ("It caught fire and burned my house down!").
 
2013-11-22 01:20:55 PM  
I'll admit, instead of jumping in on this new wave, I'm thinking of just spending a few hundred on a new tower. Though I'm not sure there are currently any games out there that I actually care about, which is a really sad place to be in.
 
2013-11-22 01:24:59 PM  
Me Chinese
Me connive
Me protest at the inhuman factory work conditions by sabotaging your new console's optical drive.
 
2013-11-22 01:25:00 PM  
On the plus side, it looks as if they addressed the overheating problems of the last generation.
 
2013-11-22 01:25:45 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys


derpy derp detected
 
2013-11-22 01:25:50 PM  

Elegy: What I've seen so far indicates that it has been a pretty successful launch - I'm seeing less reports of failures than for the PS4 during the same period of its launch. The issues on the xbone also seemed confined (for the moment) to a single hardware issue, rather than the gamut of issues that cropped up on the PS4.

That said, I'm pretty sure the folks at Microsoft had a pretty bad night last night, after a hiccup with MS' cloud servers knocked pretty much all of their infrastructure out. For a minute there Outlook, Office365, xbox.com and XBLA all went down at the same time.


curious - which part of the Microsoft marketing department do you work for?
 
2013-11-22 01:29:47 PM  

gingerjet: Elegy: What I've seen so far indicates that it has been a pretty successful launch - I'm seeing less reports of failures than for the PS4 during the same period of its launch. The issues on the xbone also seemed confined (for the moment) to a single hardware issue, rather than the gamut of issues that cropped up on the PS4.

That said, I'm pretty sure the folks at Microsoft had a pretty bad night last night, after a hiccup with MS' cloud servers knocked pretty much all of their infrastructure out. For a minute there Outlook, Office365, xbox.com and XBLA all went down at the same time.

curious - which part of the Microsoft marketing department do you work for?


Uh, 'the internet'?

That's been the general consensus I've heard on it, from redditt. Hell, websites had preprimed 'xbox farks users!!' Articles and 'join here if the xbox hurt you!!' Stuff. Everyone was ready to scream for clicks. It just hasn't happened.

There's been, gasp, about a normal fail rate.
 
2013-11-22 01:30:40 PM  
My Xbox One is coming from Amazon sometime today. I'm excited because I feel there is no better way to observe the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination than buying a new console so I can shoot people in the head with sniper rifles online.
 
2013-11-22 01:34:18 PM  

Mad_Radhu: I'm excited because I feel there is no better way to observe the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination than buying a new console so I can shoot people in the head with sniper rifles online.


LOL, nice.
 
2013-11-22 01:35:25 PM  
So, basically, the big news is that two consumer electronic devices launched successfully with acceptable failure rates and responsive help from the companies for the few people affected?

/ I was promised blood in the streets!
 
kab
2013-11-22 01:37:02 PM  
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-11-22 01:37:02 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Pffft, real gamers buy the Wii U.


well, the wii u's got:

-durability
-great controller comfort
-non gimmicky premise
-multi-tasking that matters (aka: lemme look up the gamefaqs for this... or play a game while another game downloads)
-indie games
-free online
-backwards compatibility
-interesting online community
-no ads
-games
-nothing to do with facebook

sounds great, i'd buy any console that had all of those things
 
2013-11-22 01:41:21 PM  

kab: [i0.kym-cdn.com image 500x387]


For being a master race, it's pretty sad he still lives with his mom.
 
2013-11-22 01:42:20 PM  

skozlaw: So, basically, the big news is that two consumer electronic devices launched successfully with acceptable failure rates and responsive help from the companies for the few people affected?

/ I was promised blood in the streets!


Pretty much this.  Seems like both consoles had pretty reasonable failure rates.  Personally, I'd be more concerned with the fact that the XB1 runs some titles at 720p that PS4 runs at 900p or 1080p, and the implications that has down the line, but perhaps that's just me.
 
2013-11-22 01:43:24 PM  
AdamK:
-great controller comfort
-non gimmicky premise


based on these 2, this has to be a troll.
 
2013-11-22 01:44:14 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Me Chinese
Me connive
Me protest at the inhuman factory work conditions by sabotaging your new console's optical drive.


What? No racist cartoon to go with that post?
 
2013-11-22 01:44:59 PM  

AdamK: Princess Ryans Knickers: Pffft, real gamers buy the Wii U.

well, the wii u's got:

-durability
-great controller comfort
-non gimmicky premise
-multi-tasking that matters (aka: lemme look up the gamefaqs for this... or play a game while another game downloads)
-indie games
-free online
-backwards compatibility
-interesting online community
-no ads
-games
-nothing to do with facebook

sounds great, i'd buy any console that had all of those things


But everyone seems to forget that it just isn't cool to play nintendo games anymore because they are "kiddy".

I will take my wiiu/PC thank you very much. Have not heard of any widespread wiiu launch failures, but ninty is known for some quality hardware.
 
2013-11-22 01:45:25 PM  

ManateeGag: AdamK:
-great controller comfort
-non gimmicky premise

based on these 2, this has to be a troll.


-interesting online community  ... or counting to potato based on this one.
 
2013-11-22 01:45:38 PM  

Mad_Radhu: My Xbox One is coming from Amazon sometime today. I'm excited because I feel there is no better way to observe the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination than buying a new console so I can shoot people in the head with sniper rifles online.


Ha. Same here.

What's funny to me is I've been accused of being a msft shill because I live in Seattle and it's in my profile. The truth is I work for a construction company... and while I often say the soon to arrive x-box will be my first console ever, that's not strictly true because when I was a wee lad we had one of those pong things you taped over your tv screen. Where it gets really weird is BOTH my next door neighbors not only work at msft, they're on the xbox team. Dude tried to give me an xbox last year and I said no.
 
2013-11-22 01:45:52 PM  

ManateeGag: AdamK:
-great controller comfort
-non gimmicky premise

based on these 2, this has to be a troll.


Obviously he was talking about PCs.
 
2013-11-22 01:46:37 PM  
Has anyone heard about how plentiful supply will be for the holiday season on both systems (PS4, Xbone)?
 
2013-11-22 01:47:08 PM  

chozo13: Have not heard of any widespread wiiu launch failures


Uhh the entire Wii U launch was a failure.
 
2013-11-22 01:48:32 PM  

HeartBurnKid: skozlaw: So, basically, the big news is that two consumer electronic devices launched successfully with acceptable failure rates and responsive help from the companies for the few people affected?

/ I was promised blood in the streets!

Pretty much this.  Seems like both consoles had pretty reasonable failure rates.  Personally, I'd be more concerned with the fact that the XB1 runs some titles at 720p that PS4 runs at 900p or 1080p, and the implications that has down the line, but perhaps that's just me.


Thats a software issue mostly.

Additionally, the reviews of 720p vs 1080 comparing PS4 and Xbox have reported no visual difference.
 
2013-11-22 01:48:47 PM  

scottydoesntknow: chozo13: Have not heard of any widespread wiiu launch failures

Uhh the entire Wii U launch was a failure.


Oh Snap!
 
2013-11-22 01:50:16 PM  

olapbill: Smeggy Smurf: Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys

derpy derp detected


When did a post from a politics thread come over here?
 
2013-11-22 01:51:28 PM  
 
2013-11-22 01:51:28 PM  

hammer85: I notice a distinct lack of frepnog in this thread.  Unsurprising.


Now who will explain to us that XBone failures don't matter, but PS4 failures count twice as much? Who else is going to say less than a day's worth of XBone failures is all we get while a weeks worth of PS4 failures is the tip of the iceberg that will sink Sony?
 
2013-11-22 01:55:25 PM  
Most likely skipping this generation of consoles (I'm one of the elite PC Gaming master race) though if it gets some great exclusives I just might grab a PS4 in a year or so.

What's really exciting me is the possible major comeback of VR starting next year with the release of the Oculus Rift. There are also a few other competitors with their own VR headsets though the Oculus guys seem to have their shiat together before anyone else.

There was kind of a false start for the whole VR idea back in the 90s. But it fizzled out because the graphics sucked, the screen resolution sucked, the headsets were bulky as hell, the frame rate sucked, the head tracking sucked, and the 3D control schemes sucked. Every single one of those issues has been resolved over the years and I think we'd all be using VR headsets already if the 90s didn't scare everyone away from the idea.

I think VR might the real next generation.

Then again, I haven't actually tried any of the upcoming VR headsets. Perhaps it's still a flawed idea and this will just be another short VR fad that dies away like the one in the 90s. I'm hoping it's here to stay though. Also, augmented reality is pretty sweet too.
 
2013-11-22 01:56:00 PM  

justtray: HeartBurnKid: skozlaw: So, basically, the big news is that two consumer electronic devices launched successfully with acceptable failure rates and responsive help from the companies for the few people affected?

/ I was promised blood in the streets!

Pretty much this.  Seems like both consoles had pretty reasonable failure rates.  Personally, I'd be more concerned with the fact that the XB1 runs some titles at 720p that PS4 runs at 900p or 1080p, and the implications that has down the line, but perhaps that's just me.

Thats a software issue mostly.

Additionally, the reviews of 720p vs 1080 comparing PS4 and Xbox have reported no visual difference.


Not to your poor console peasant eyes, at least.
 
2013-11-22 02:00:09 PM  

justtray: HeartBurnKid: skozlaw: So, basically, the big news is that two consumer electronic devices launched successfully with acceptable failure rates and responsive help from the companies for the few people affected?

/ I was promised blood in the streets!

Pretty much this.  Seems like both consoles had pretty reasonable failure rates.  Personally, I'd be more concerned with the fact that the XB1 runs some titles at 720p that PS4 runs at 900p or 1080p, and the implications that has down the line, but perhaps that's just me.

Thats a software issue mostly.



I thought it was related to the reports that the Xbox memory is quite a bit slower than the PS4 memory.


/probably mostly due to working out development issues on a new platform
 
2013-11-22 02:01:16 PM  

gingerjet: Elegy: What I've seen so far indicates that it has been a pretty successful launch - I'm seeing less reports of failures than for the PS4 during the same period of its launch. The issues on the xbone also seemed confined (for the moment) to a single hardware issue, rather than the gamut of issues that cropped up on the PS4.

That said, I'm pretty sure the folks at Microsoft had a pretty bad night last night, after a hiccup with MS' cloud servers knocked pretty much all of their infrastructure out. For a minute there Outlook, Office365, xbox.com and XBLA all went down at the same time.

curious - which part of the Microsoft marketing department do you work for?


Curious - why do you think I'm shilling for Microsoft when I talked about the failure of pretty much their entire cloud infrastructure just hours prior to launching their console?

If you have any sauce that proves there are massive problems with the xbone release, please provide.

Otherwise, I'm calling it like I see it, and you can fark off.
 
2013-11-22 02:02:30 PM  
i.imgur.com Microsoft.

Charging you more for less.
 
2013-11-22 02:05:24 PM  

Surool: Gordon Bennett: Me Chinese
Me connive
Me protest at the inhuman factory work conditions by sabotaging your new console's optical drive.

What? No racist cartoon to go with that post?


Only because you asked nicely.

i734.photobucket.com
 
2013-11-22 02:08:17 PM  

Elegy: The issues on the xbone also seemed confined (for the moment) to a single hardware issue, rather than the gamut of issues that cropped up on the PS4.


Not sure how this matters; broke is broke. Both are going to result in a return/repair and thus the end user not having access to their console.

With that said, the real test for the  ONEwill be this weekend. Your hardcore users might stay up until midnight, skipping work/school, but the majority will be starting in about four hours (EST). Then there will be the great Christmas day cry of broken consoles ruining the holiday. Because we all know we can't rightly show thanks to the gods without a working console.

/member of the PC Master Race
//I'll pick up a console as soon as there's an exclusive worth playing
///did I miss anything? oh yeah, day one kinks, etc
 
2013-11-22 02:09:28 PM  

XMark: Most likely skipping this generation of consoles (I'm one of the elite PC Gaming master race) though if it gets some great exclusives I just might grab a PS4 in a year or so.

What's really exciting me is the possible major comeback of VR starting next year with the release of the Oculus Rift. There are also a few other competitors with their own VR headsets though the Oculus guys seem to have their shiat together before anyone else.

There was kind of a false start for the whole VR idea back in the 90s. But it fizzled out because the graphics sucked, the screen resolution sucked, the headsets were bulky as hell, the frame rate sucked, the head tracking sucked, and the 3D control schemes sucked. Every single one of those issues has been resolved over the years and I think we'd all be using VR headsets already if the 90s didn't scare everyone away from the idea.

I think VR might the real next generation.

Then again, I haven't actually tried any of the upcoming VR headsets. Perhaps it's still a flawed idea and this will just be another short VR fad that dies away like the one in the 90s. I'm hoping it's here to stay though. Also, augmented reality is pretty sweet too.


I've seen where this goes though.

ecchi-ecke.de

static3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-11-22 02:11:12 PM  

Elegy: gingerjet: Elegy: What I've seen so far indicates that it has been a pretty successful launch - I'm seeing less reports of failures than for the PS4 during the same period of its launch. The issues on the xbone also seemed confined (for the moment) to a single hardware issue, rather than the gamut of issues that cropped up on the PS4.

That said, I'm pretty sure the folks at Microsoft had a pretty bad night last night, after a hiccup with MS' cloud servers knocked pretty much all of their infrastructure out. For a minute there Outlook, Office365, xbox.com and XBLA all went down at the same time.

curious - which part of the Microsoft marketing department do you work for?

Curious - why do you think I'm shilling for Microsoft when I talked about the failure of pretty much their entire cloud infrastructure just hours prior to launching their console?

If you have any sauce that proves there are massive problems with the xbone release, please provide.

Otherwise, I'm calling it like I see it, and you can fark off.


Have you not noticed that Apple Fanboys have jumped on the Sony Bandwagon just because of their rabid hate for anything Ms?
 
2013-11-22 02:14:16 PM  

hammer85: Surool: hammer85: I notice a distinct lack of frepnog in this thread.  Unsurprising.

Now who will explain to us that XBone failures don't matter, but PS4 failures count twice as much? Who else is going to say less than a day's worth of XBone failures is all we get while a weeks worth of PS4 failures is the tip of the iceberg that will sink Sony?

I don't want to live in a world where this doesn't happen.


It may seem like trolling but it's kind of true. I'll break it down. For the Xbox Fanboys it's like getting a box a Crayola crayons with two crayons of the same colour. Not a big deal but goddamn it, this was supposed to be perfect after the 360 heat thing.

The Sony Fanboys are barely able to contain their combination of rage and embarrassment because their box of crayons are ALL blue and melted together. A bigger deal.  So far...
 
2013-11-22 02:15:21 PM  

theflatline: Have you not noticed that Apple Fanboys have jumped on the Sony Bandwagon just because of their rabid hate for anything Ms?


Oh yes, I had noticed. Is that what is happening here?
 
2013-11-22 02:15:22 PM  

ManateeGag: AdamK:
-great controller comfort
-non gimmicky premise

based on these 2, this has to be a troll.


nah i'm being completely serious, off-tv play is very good with the system and totally viable, 2nd screen has real function with games that have maps or deep menus as well as making the OS UI simpler, and the touchscreen controller + pro controller are seriously well built with easy access rechargeable batteries built in... the only cons being that the triggers have no movement, and the default battery in the touchscreen controller is very short (but upgradeable)
 
2013-11-22 02:17:48 PM  

Surool: hammer85: I notice a distinct lack of frepnog in this thread.  Unsurprising.

Now who will explain to us that XBone failures don't matter, but PS4 failures count twice as much? Who else is going to say less than a day's worth of XBone failures is all we get while a weeks worth of PS4 failures is the tip of the iceberg that will sink Sony?


ha!

nah, I will say exactly what I said I would say- these failures are nothing but good news for Sony, who now have a cheaper next gen console that only fails about as much as its competitor, meaning that the failure headlines will likely cease.
 
2013-11-22 02:19:06 PM  
The thing about the new consoles is that they aren't that much better than the last consoles. I mean, yeah, the hardware is way more powerful and everything, but the graphics aren't all that much better. We've hit a plateau, graphically, especially since TVs are locked at 1920x1080.

Personally, I would like to see MS and Sony just keep supporting the Xbox 360 and the PS3. Make them cheap, keep them going forever. I mean, why not?
 
2013-11-22 02:20:29 PM  

Decillion: hammer85: Surool: hammer85: I notice a distinct lack of frepnog in this thread.  Unsurprising.

Now who will explain to us that XBone failures don't matter, but PS4 failures count twice as much? Who else is going to say less than a day's worth of XBone failures is all we get while a weeks worth of PS4 failures is the tip of the iceberg that will sink Sony?

I don't want to live in a world where this doesn't happen.

It may seem like trolling but it's kind of true. I'll break it down. For the Xbox Fanboys it's like getting a box a Crayola crayons with two crayons of the same colour. Not a big deal but goddamn it, this was supposed to be perfect after the 360 heat thing.

The Sony Fanboys are barely able to contain their combination of rage and embarrassment because their box of crayons are ALL blue and melted together. A bigger deal.  So far...


heh.  i like you.

/to me, a DOA disc drive is no better than a DOA console.  This disc drive issue keeps the two on a level playing field, as much as they can be while one is 100 bucks cheaper.
 
2013-11-22 02:20:40 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys


And can easily buy and swap out a Rom Drive if it ever makes that noise.

/haz a ps4, not getting an XboxOne
//no problems with my launch PS4
 
2013-11-22 02:21:47 PM  

HeartBurnKid: skozlaw: So, basically, the big news is that two consumer electronic devices launched successfully with acceptable failure rates and responsive help from the companies for the few people affected?

/ I was promised blood in the streets!

Pretty much this.  Seems like both consoles had pretty reasonable failure rates.  Personally, I'd be more concerned with the fact that the XB1 runs some titles at 720p that PS4 runs at 900p or 1080p, and the implications that has down the line, but perhaps that's just me.


I thought I read somewhere that while the PS4 runs those games in 1080p, they had a lower frames-per-second.  Especially when the on-screen action gets pretty hectic.

/I've owned both a PS2 and an XBox 360
//I'm not buying either console anytime soon.
 
2013-11-22 02:21:57 PM  

realmolo: Personally, I would like to see MS and Sony just keep supporting the Xbox 360 and the PS3. Make them cheap, keep them going forever. I mean, why not?


They said there will still be over 100 games to be released for the PS3/360. I don't have any plans to upgrade for a while. At least until all the kinks are worked out and they get a solid game base.
 
2013-11-22 02:23:01 PM  

Decillion: hammer85: Surool: hammer85: I notice a distinct lack of frepnog in this thread.  Unsurprising.

Now who will explain to us that XBone failures don't matter, but PS4 failures count twice as much? Who else is going to say less than a day's worth of XBone failures is all we get while a weeks worth of PS4 failures is the tip of the iceberg that will sink Sony?

I don't want to live in a world where this doesn't happen.

It may seem like trolling but it's kind of true. I'll break it down. For the Xbox Fanboys it's like getting a box a Crayola crayons with two crayons of the same colour. Not a big deal but goddamn it, this was supposed to be perfect after the 360 heat thing.

The Sony Fanboys are barely able to contain their combination of rage and embarrassment because their box of crayons are ALL blue and melted together. A bigger deal.  So far...


Not even trolling.  The last Sony thread was completely threadshiatted on with constant "xbone will be perfect on launch just you wait" "1% failure rate is 100% for those effected" and other various nonsense.

Both consoles are experiencing failure...as is expected of any launch.  As long as none goes full blown RROD and the customer service is adequate I think both will do well, and its best for all of us if they do.

I just hate that both systems are releasing with such barebones titles.  I mean its been 8 years, no one worked on anything for this?  The new metal gear solid and infamous should have been release day games for the ps4, and titanfall and a halo game (destiny?) for the xbone.

Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

/still disappointed that dark souls 2 isn't going for the ps4
 
2013-11-22 02:24:18 PM  

Glitchwerks: [i.imgur.com image 850x478] Microsoft.

Charging you more for less.


apparently Gran Turismo 6 is implementing a similar "real money for fake money" system... rather than moving on from "grinding for cars" as a concept, both Turn 10 and Polyphony are just doubling down on new revenue streams it seems

which is seriously disappointing because i'm honestly burned out on that whole model of game, after the 5th Gran Turismo and 4th Forza there's only so many times you can have fun racing the same cars on the same tracks over and over to buy the same cars with the same modifications just to race them on the same tracks against the same annoying drivers online

i wish i had tried out forza horizon before getting rid of my 360, that looked like a lot of fun
 
2013-11-22 02:24:55 PM  

scottydoesntknow: kab: [i0.kym-cdn.com image 500x387]

For being a master race, it's pretty sad he still lives with his mom.


PC gamer families can afford to keep their offspring around until they are past childhood, no need to sell them all off for medical experiments.

/Every PC gamer is sacred.
//That song is now stuck in your head.
 
2013-11-22 02:25:44 PM  
Jesus farking Christ.  Are we going to get a thread like this when every single product that comes out has some defective units?
 
2013-11-22 02:26:21 PM  

justtray: HeartBurnKid: skozlaw: So, basically, the big news is that two consumer electronic devices launched successfully with acceptable failure rates and responsive help from the companies for the few people affected?

/ I was promised blood in the streets!

Pretty much this.  Seems like both consoles had pretty reasonable failure rates.  Personally, I'd be more concerned with the fact that the XB1 runs some titles at 720p that PS4 runs at 900p or 1080p, and the implications that has down the line, but perhaps that's just me.

Thats a software issue mostly.

Additionally, the reviews of 720p vs 1080 comparing PS4 and Xbox have reported no visual difference.


No, it's really not a software issue. The XB1 simply has fewer shaders and slower memory available to it. MS claimed we wouldn't see a practical difference from this, and yet, we already are.

And the question isn't the difference between 1080p and 720p today (though I wouldn't be so quick to put faith in your reports, since the ability to spot the differences in resolution is going to vary greatly depending on screen size and quality, and viewing distance). The question is, what happens as graphics continue to grow more elaborate and technology marches on? Consoles are meant to stick around for years, after all. Eventually, AAA games will be so elaborate that the PS4 can only handle them at 720p... and what then for the XB1? Because even if you can't see the difference between 720p and 1080p, I guarantee you will see the difference between 480p and 720p.
 
2013-11-22 02:26:28 PM  

realmolo: The thing about the new consoles is that they aren't that much better than the last consoles. I mean, yeah, the hardware is way more powerful and everything, but the graphics aren't all that much better. We've hit a plateau, graphically, especially since TVs are locked at 1920x1080.

Personally, I would like to see MS and Sony just keep supporting the Xbox 360 and the PS3. Make them cheap, keep them going forever. I mean, why not?


if there were a theme to this new crop of consoles it's either "refinement" or "inbreeding"... not a lot of innovation, but i guess that's the message these companies got when people said they were fine with the ps3 and 360 for years to come
 
2013-11-22 02:26:59 PM  

hammer85: Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.


Don't forget a Free-2-Play Killer Instinct that comes with one character

/What were they thinking with that?!
 
2013-11-22 02:27:30 PM  

realmolo: The thing about the new consoles is that they aren't that much better than the last consoles. I mean, yeah, the hardware is way more powerful and everything, but the graphics aren't all that much better. We've hit a plateau, graphically, especially since TVs are locked at 1920x1080.


the issue is that you are equating resolution with meaning anything whatever.  It really doesn't.  Fact is that just like last gen, as the new games get more and more detailed, 1080p is going to mostly be a pipe dream on both consoles (if you want to maintain 60 frames).  both are still relatively anemic machines, PC hardware is ALREADY several generations ahead of the new consoles, and new games are going to do nothing but get more detailed.

People that think graphics have plateaued are in for some shocking surprises as devs get a handle on these machines.

Think about the graphical differences between, oh, say Mass Effect 1 and 3.  3 looks like it should be on a completely different console.  There was a generational upgrade IN SOFTWARE on the 360\PS3, which is the only reason that the current gen consoles lasted so long.  Games are going to freaking LEAPFROG what is currently possible, and in pretty short order.

In a couple years tho, I'm betting you that BOTH new consoles are going to be struggling with 720p games, let alone 1080.

Think about a GTA game that simply looks like reality.  GTA5 looks good.  The first REAL GTA game on the next gen machines is going to astound.
 
2013-11-22 02:28:37 PM  
Never buy a console at launch. It sounds like both systems are coming out of the gate just fine. The failure rates seem pretty normal for a modern console. I will probably buy a PS4. Better specs and they aren't going to make me pay 100 bucks for a motion camera I don't want. I will miss my gamer score on xbox live but it's a small matter. I won't do anything until the first price drop though.
 
2013-11-22 02:28:56 PM  

scottydoesntknow: hammer85: Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

Don't forget a Free-2-Play Killer Instinct that comes with one character

/What were they thinking with that?!


Seriously?  I thought it was a regular game.  That's just awful.
 
2013-11-22 02:28:57 PM  

Rwa2play: olapbill: Smeggy Smurf: Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys

derpy derp detected

When did a post from a politics thread come over here?


Blind allegiance between two parties that are mostly looking just to line their wallets with cash from suckers?  People jumping to absurd conclusions or resorting to fallacies instead of facts?  Experience from political threads crosses over well to console war threads.
 
2013-11-22 02:29:33 PM  

hammer85: Decillion: hammer85: Surool: hammer85: I notice a distinct lack of frepnog in this thread.  Unsurprising.

Now who will explain to us that XBone failures don't matter, but PS4 failures count twice as much? Who else is going to say less than a day's worth of XBone failures is all we get while a weeks worth of PS4 failures is the tip of the iceberg that will sink Sony?

I don't want to live in a world where this doesn't happen.

It may seem like trolling but it's kind of true. I'll break it down. For the Xbox Fanboys it's like getting a box a Crayola crayons with two crayons of the same colour. Not a big deal but goddamn it, this was supposed to be perfect after the 360 heat thing.

The Sony Fanboys are barely able to contain their combination of rage and embarrassment because their box of crayons are ALL blue and melted together. A bigger deal.  So far...

Not even trolling.  The last Sony thread was completely threadshiatted on with constant "xbone will be perfect on launch just you wait" "1% failure rate is 100% for those effected" and other various nonsense.

Both consoles are experiencing failure...as is expected of any launch.  As long as none goes full blown RROD and the customer service is adequate I think both will do well, and its best for all of us if they do.

I just hate that both systems are releasing with such barebones titles.  I mean its been 8 years, no one worked on anything for this?  The new metal gear solid and infamous should have been release day games for the ps4, and titanfall and a halo game (destiny?) for the xbone.

Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

/still disappointed that dark souls 2 isn't going for the ps4


There's also going to be quite a few titles that are released new and last-gen.  I really would have liked to have seen new exclusive IPs for both consoles since it tends to have the rising tides affect.  Here's hoping the new year gets that ball rolling.
 
2013-11-22 02:30:59 PM  

Wettner: Has anyone heard about how plentiful supply will be for the holiday season on both systems (PS4, Xbone)?


Both companies limited their global release to try and have more units available in the targeted countries, but the latest I read this morning is neither company thinks there are going to be many units available to just walk in and pick up off the shelf before the holidays are over.
 
2013-11-22 02:31:57 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Jesus farking Christ.  Are we going to get a thread like this when every single product that comes out has some defective units?


Welcome to fark. That's all we do now - wait for the next schadenfreude opportunity.
 
2013-11-22 02:33:26 PM  

olapbill: ManateeGag: AdamK:
-great controller comfort
-non gimmicky premise

based on these 2, this has to be a troll.

-interesting online community  ... or counting to potato based on this one.


Despite it's size it's actually one of the most comfortable controllers I've used.

/has used controllers for PlayStation, 360, and Genesis in addition to all Nintendo consoles
 
2013-11-22 02:35:09 PM  

Flappyhead: hammer85: Decillion: hammer85: Surool: hammer85: I notice a distinct lack of frepnog in this thread.  Unsurprising.

Now who will explain to us that XBone failures don't matter, but PS4 failures count twice as much? Who else is going to say less than a day's worth of XBone failures is all we get while a weeks worth of PS4 failures is the tip of the iceberg that will sink Sony?

I don't want to live in a world where this doesn't happen.

It may seem like trolling but it's kind of true. I'll break it down. For the Xbox Fanboys it's like getting a box a Crayola crayons with two crayons of the same colour. Not a big deal but goddamn it, this was supposed to be perfect after the 360 heat thing.

The Sony Fanboys are barely able to contain their combination of rage and embarrassment because their box of crayons are ALL blue and melted together. A bigger deal.  So far...

Not even trolling.  The last Sony thread was completely threadshiatted on with constant "xbone will be perfect on launch just you wait" "1% failure rate is 100% for those effected" and other various nonsense.

Both consoles are experiencing failure...as is expected of any launch.  As long as none goes full blown RROD and the customer service is adequate I think both will do well, and its best for all of us if they do.

I just hate that both systems are releasing with such barebones titles.  I mean its been 8 years, no one worked on anything for this?  The new metal gear solid and infamous should have been release day games for the ps4, and titanfall and a halo game (destiny?) for the xbone.

Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

/still disappointed that dark souls 2 isn't going for the ps4

There's also going to be quite a few titles that are released new and last-gen.  I really would have liked to have seen new exclusive IPs for both consoles since it tends to have the rising tides affect.  Here's hoping the new year gets that ball rolling.


Ya, I ignored those since they're kinda pointless.  I want to get a new console, but I hate FPSes, so why would I get a ps4 right now?  The new metal gear solid game, kingdom hearts 3, ff15, or infamous second son would have had me camped out.
 
2013-11-22 02:35:53 PM  

hammer85: scottydoesntknow: hammer85: Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

Don't forget a Free-2-Play Killer Instinct that comes with one character

/What were they thinking with that?!

Seriously?  I thought it was a regular game.  That's just awful.


It is, and it isn't. The free version comes with one character. You can then buy characters individually, or buy the full package for $20. Which, to be honest, I have zero problem with.
 
2013-11-22 02:36:27 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Wettner: Has anyone heard about how plentiful supply will be for the holiday season on both systems (PS4, Xbone)?

Both companies limited their global release to try and have more units available in the targeted countries, but the latest I read this morning is neither company thinks there are going to be many units available to just walk in and pick up off the shelf before the holidays are over.


One of my holiday traditions is trampling over some older human being en route to the "hottest" toy of the year. If supply will be steady and easy, what will I stampede for?
 
2013-11-22 02:37:03 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Shrugging Atlas: Jesus farking Christ.  Are we going to get a thread like this when every single product that comes out has some defective units?

Welcome to fark. That's all we do now - wait for the next schadenfreude opportunity.


I get the schadenfreude...but I don't even see that here.  Even if I just massively favored (or hated) one console over the other...we're talking about hundreds of consoles out of millions between the two companies.  That's not schadenfreude worthy...hell it's hardly worthy of mention.

I have an xbox showing up at my house in a couple of hours but I still thought this entire conversation was retarded when we were talking about the PS4 last week.  I've survived on the politics tab for years, but I think the console threads may have finally beaten me.
 
2013-11-22 02:37:38 PM  

XMark: What's really exciting me is the possible major comeback of VR starting next year with the release of the Oculus Rift.


Now that is something I'm very interested in. Not only for 3D gaming, but for a much more immersive 3D movie experience.

realmolo: The thing about the new consoles is that they aren't that much better than the last consoles. I mean, yeah, the hardware is way more powerful and everything, but the graphics aren't all that much better. We've hit a plateau, graphically, especially since TVs are locked at 1920x1080.


It's more than just graphics. It's also number of characters animated, interactive environments, draw distance, AI, and plenty of other gameplay enhancements. Give it a few years and you'll see games that really take advantage of these new specs.

Personally, I would like to see MS and Sony just keep supporting the Xbox 360 and the PS3. Make them cheap, keep them going forever. I mean, why not?

As someone who just got a PS3 this year, I'd be more than happy if they supported these systems for another few years. At the very least, I'll settle for continued online support. I plan to have a lot of fun with this system while I wait for these new ones to sort themselves out.
 
2013-11-22 02:38:02 PM  
Decillion:Xbox One will have no issues.
 
2013-11-22 02:38:13 PM  
Like I said... It's smarter to wait six months to a year to let them:

1. Fix all the bugs and launch issues.
2. Build up a library of games worth playing.
3. Begin to lower game prices under $60.
4. Lower the price of the main console.

It's absolutely stupid to be a guinea pig sucker and beta test the new consoles for $400/$500 a pop when you'll have very little "advance experience" by the time the issues are fixed, the consoles are cheaper, and the libraries are full of games worth playing.

Waiting also gives me a chance to sit back and see which console actually ends up being worthwhile.
 
2013-11-22 02:38:18 PM  

frepnog: realmolo: The thing about the new consoles is that they aren't that much better than the last consoles. I mean, yeah, the hardware is way more powerful and everything, but the graphics aren't all that much better. We've hit a plateau, graphically, especially since TVs are locked at 1920x1080.

the issue is that you are equating resolution with meaning anything whatever.  It really doesn't.  Fact is that just like last gen, as the new games get more and more detailed, 1080p is going to mostly be a pipe dream on both consoles (if you want to maintain 60 frames).  both are still relatively anemic machines, PC hardware is ALREADY several generations ahead of the new consoles, and new games are going to do nothing but get more detailed.

People that think graphics have plateaued are in for some shocking surprises as devs get a handle on these machines.

Think about the graphical differences between, oh, say Mass Effect 1 and 3.  3 looks like it should be on a completely different console.  There was a generational upgrade IN SOFTWARE on the 360\PS3, which is the only reason that the current gen consoles lasted so long.  Games are going to freaking LEAPFROG what is currently possible, and in pretty short order.

In a couple years tho, I'm betting you that BOTH new consoles are going to be struggling with 720p games, let alone 1080.

Think about a GTA game that simply looks like reality.  GTA5 looks good.  The first REAL GTA game on the next gen machines is going to astound.


sure, the 360 and PS3 both had some native 1080p games early on but later abandoned the idea because of more demanding graphics later on
 
2013-11-22 02:38:41 PM  

Wettner: One of my holiday traditions is trampling over some older human being en route to the "hottest" toy of the year. If supply will be steady and easy, what will I stampede for?


My advice?  In my family we go through great pains to crush the old and weak for the latest Elmo toy if nothing else is available.  That's a safe go to no matter what year it is.
 
2013-11-22 02:40:51 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Wettner: Has anyone heard about how plentiful supply will be for the holiday season on both systems (PS4, Xbone)?

Both companies limited their global release to try and have more units available in the targeted countries, but the latest I read this morning is neither company thinks there are going to be many units available to just walk in and pick up off the shelf before the holidays are over.


i think you're probably better off waiting until Titanfall and Infamous 3 release anyways

best of all would be just saying "hmmm, i want a ps4/xbone" and just walking into a store and buying it, no lines, no running around store to store, no worrying about stock... it's just *there*, and likely less faulty than the launch day beta testers
 
2013-11-22 02:41:01 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Like I said... It's smarter to wait six months to a year to let them:

1. Fix all the bugs and launch issues.
2. Build up a library of games worth playing.
3. Begin to lower game prices under $60.
4. Lower the price of the main console.

It's absolutely stupid to be a guinea pig sucker and beta test the new consoles for $400/$500 a pop when you'll have very little "advance experience" by the time the issues are fixed, the consoles are cheaper, and the libraries are full of games worth playing.

Waiting also gives me a chance to sit back and see which console actually ends up being worthwhile.


i don't get the smarter comment.  If someone has the disposable income and the inclination,  why is it an issue?
 
2013-11-22 02:41:28 PM  

scottydoesntknow: hammer85: Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

Don't forget a Free-2-Play Killer Instinct that comes with one character

/What were they thinking with that?!


Glad I held out. The only title that really interested me was Forza, and now it's got the RM4FM model and can't even give me 1080p? Fark you Microsoft.
 
2013-11-22 02:43:47 PM  

Glitchwerks: [i.imgur.com image 850x478] Microsoft.

Charging you more for less.


I've never seen that before. At first I was thinking. Well they just mispriced the 100, it should be $2. But then they also mispriced the 2000, it should be $39 not $49.
That's just a giant royal, WTF, right there.
 
2013-11-22 02:44:01 PM  

hammer85: scottydoesntknow: hammer85: Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

Don't forget a Free-2-Play Killer Instinct that comes with one character

/What were they thinking with that?!

Seriously?  I thought it was a regular game.  That's just awful.


A quick google search shows that it's $20 for the game with all the characters and $40 for the "proper" release with character costumes and whatnot. Doesn't seem too bad to me, the free version is just a demo to see if you like it I suppose. At the very least the free character rotates, so it offers some variety.
 
2013-11-22 02:45:36 PM  

UrCa: hammer85: scottydoesntknow: hammer85: Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

Don't forget a Free-2-Play Killer Instinct that comes with one character

/What were they thinking with that?!

Seriously?  I thought it was a regular game.  That's just awful.

A quick google search shows that it's $20 for the game with all the characters and $40 for the "proper" release with character costumes and whatnot. Doesn't seem too bad to me, the free version is just a demo to see if you like it I suppose. At the very least the free character rotates, so it offers some variety.


That's not bad then.  A lot of free-to-plays (LoL, Infinite Crisis, Marvel Heroes) have been going that route.  The one character seems incredibly limited though.
 
2013-11-22 02:46:27 PM  

HeartBurnKid: hammer85: scottydoesntknow: hammer85: Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

Don't forget a Free-2-Play Killer Instinct that comes with one character

/What were they thinking with that?!

Seriously?  I thought it was a regular game.  That's just awful.

It is, and it isn't. The free version comes with one character. You can then buy characters individually, or buy the full package for $20. Which, to be honest, I have zero problem with.


It's launching with just 6 characters, with two more to be released in the next 6 months.

That's pretty pathetic for a fighting game. Hell the original KI back in 1994 had 10 (11 including the boss).
 
2013-11-22 02:46:37 PM  

Luse: Glad I held out. The only title that really interested me was Forza, and now it's got the RM4FM model and can't even give me 1080p? Fark you Microsoft.


Something about this post smells ignorant and uninformed.....
 
2013-11-22 02:47:07 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys


I PC game for some stuff (mostly Civ and RTS-style games, some platformers too), but I just prefer a console for most of my gaming. Probably this is because I grew up with an Atari joystick and then a NES controller in my hands.

I also like knowing that if I get a disc for my PS4, it will definitely run optimally. Sometimes, I'll download a game from Steam or GOG and it doesn't really run well at all. :(
 
2013-11-22 02:47:23 PM  

Dragonflew: Decillion:Xbox One will have no issues.


In my defense I was in a drunken stupor.

But I stand by it. 3 videos on youtube is not an issue.
 
2013-11-22 02:54:08 PM  

Decillion: Dragonflew: Decillion:Xbox One will have no issues.

In my defense I was in a drunken stupor.

But I stand by it. 3 videos on youtube is not an issue.

http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1r6wb3/xbox_one_issues_so_f ar /


It's a little bit more than that, but not by much.  It looks like there's a little bit less of an issue than the PS4 had.  Well within the acceptable range of defects, anyways.

I'm actually kind of surprised it's going as well as it is.  But, the day is young, I suppose...
 
2013-11-22 02:54:10 PM  

realmolo: The thing about the new consoles is that they aren't that much better than the last consoles. I mean, yeah, the hardware is way more powerful and everything, but the graphics aren't all that much better. We've hit a plateau, graphically, especially since TVs are locked at 1920x1080.

Personally, I would like to see MS and Sony just keep supporting the Xbox 360 and the PS3. Make them cheap, keep them going forever. I mean, why not?


Yep.  I'm considering trying to get one of the $199 PS3 bundles on African American Friday.  Between the current library and future games that should give me plenty to enjoy until the PS4 is at $199.
 
2013-11-22 02:54:18 PM  
Thanks for beta testing the consoles for me.  I'll pick one in the summer after more games launch and the bugs are ironed out.
 
2013-11-22 02:54:20 PM  
I'll get a new XBox or PS4 when there's a game exclusive to it I HAVE to have.  Not before.
 
2013-11-22 02:54:28 PM  

Smelly McUgly: Smeggy Smurf: Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys

I PC game for some stuff (mostly Civ and RTS-style games, some platformers too), but I just prefer a console for most of my gaming. Probably this is because I grew up with an Atari joystick and then a NES controller in my hands.

I also like knowing that if I get a disc for my PS4, it will definitely run optimally. Sometimes, I'll download a game from Steam or GOG and it doesn't really run well at all. :(


what kills me here is sometimes there is no rhyme or reason to it.  The Swapper, for instance.  By all standards I can see, my machine should run that no issue.  Game REFUSES to run.  The Cave?  Runs great at 720, is a slideshow at 1080.  L4D 1 and 2?  LIKE BUTTER at 1080 (all steam).
 
2013-11-22 02:55:47 PM  

olapbill: ZeroCorpse: Like I said... It's smarter to wait six months to a year to let them:

1. Fix all the bugs and launch issues.
2. Build up a library of games worth playing.
3. Begin to lower game prices under $60.
4. Lower the price of the main console.

It's absolutely stupid to be a guinea pig sucker and beta test the new consoles for $400/$500 a pop when you'll have very little "advance experience" by the time the issues are fixed, the consoles are cheaper, and the libraries are full of games worth playing.

Waiting also gives me a chance to sit back and see which console actually ends up being worthwhile.

i don't get the smarter comment.  If someone has the disposable income and the inclination,  why is it an issue?


He's just looking for a reason to tell us why his purchase of a 400$ touch tablet is 'smarter' than buying a console when he already has a gaming rig, a console, a smart phone, and I'm assuming another laptop and iPad.

The technology isn't going to be invalidated by later releases, and the release hardware is what's going to be deployed for at least the first year, so if you're excited about something and can afford it, it makes sense. It's like saying you're stupid to go to a water park because they're expensive and you can sit in the dishwasher for free.
 
2013-11-22 02:56:23 PM  

ColSanders: Yep. I'm considering trying to get one of the $199 PS3 bundles on African American Friday.


fark that.  go pick up a good used PS3 at a pawn shop for <70 bucks and spend the rest on games.  Hell, you might even score one with ps2 back compat.
 
2013-11-22 02:59:39 PM  

Smelly McUgly: Smeggy Smurf: Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys

I PC game for some stuff (mostly Civ and RTS-style games, some platformers too), but I just prefer a console for most of my gaming. Probably this is because I grew up with an Atari joystick and then a NES controller in my hands.

I also like knowing that if I get a disc for my PS4, it will definitely run optimally. Sometimes, I'll download a game from Steam or GOG and it doesn't really run well at all. :(


I've got a couple Logitech F710 gamepads for my computer, and have my entertainment center setup in such a way they it's ridiculously easy for me to attach it to my system downstairs if I feel like playing on the big screen. I do find myself gravitating a lot to games I can play with the controller lately, but Steam has got a pretty good selection now, and their Big Picture interface works fine for me.

I haven't seen any issues playing Steam games unless my backups started running while I was playing, but then that's always the thing with PC gaming, how good an experience it is largely depends on what type of hardware you've got.

I went in to look at the PS4 and Xbone at the mall yesterday, and just didn't see anything in the games for those two that I wanted to play and couldn't get off Steam (probably at a much reduced price at either the Christmas or summer sales).
 
2013-11-22 03:01:04 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Like I said... It's smarter to wait six months to a year to let them:

1. Fix all the bugs and launch issues.
2. Build up a library of games worth playing.
3. Begin to lower game prices under $60.
4. Lower the price of the main console.

It's absolutely stupid to be a guinea pig sucker and beta test the new consoles for $400/$500 a pop when you'll have very little "advance experience" by the time the issues are fixed, the consoles are cheaper, and the libraries are full of games worth playing.

Waiting also gives me a chance to sit back and see which console actually ends up being worthwhile.


I'm waiting, partially because of the 'bugs' bit, and partially because I want to see if a hardware revision is in the works within a year or two.
 
2013-11-22 03:01:29 PM  

frepnog: ColSanders: Yep. I'm considering trying to get one of the $199 PS3 bundles on African American Friday.

fark that.  go pick up a good used PS3 at a pawn shop for <70 bucks and spend the rest on games.  Hell, you might even score one with ps2 back compat.


I thought of that, but with my luck the console would die in a matter of weeks.  The $199 bundle is a decent deal considering it comes with two games, so the PS3 itself only comes out to around $100.
 
2013-11-22 03:03:25 PM  

ZeroCorpse: It's absolutely stupid to be a guinea pig sucker and beta test the new consoles


Your insults are getting really old and tired. Like I said before, some of us like to watch something grow from its infancy, and have a lot of fun doing so.
 
2013-11-22 03:05:05 PM  

kroonermanblack: He's just looking for a reason to tell us why his purchase of a 400$ touch tablet is 'smarter' than buying a console when he already has a gaming rig, a console, a smart phone, and I'm assuming another laptop and iPad.


You should have seen it a couple of years ago when his PSP was better than anything at everything.
 
2013-11-22 03:06:22 PM  
So I want to get an Xbox One today. I'm in the greater San Diego area.

Fark, find me somewhere that has it in stock!

I'm gonna get it just to get it, now that there doesn't appear to be any major faults. I probably won't even play any games on it for a few weeks. I really like the multimedia aspect.
 
2013-11-22 03:08:23 PM  

Dragonflew: kroonermanblack: He's just looking for a reason to tell us why his purchase of a 400$ touch tablet is 'smarter' than buying a console when he already has a gaming rig, a console, a smart phone, and I'm assuming another laptop and iPad.

You should have seen it a couple of years ago when his PSP was better than anything at everything.


On  that note, the Vita that has been getting not much use up until now is getting used daily now for remote play to my PS4.  It's pretty damn cool.
 
2013-11-22 03:10:01 PM  

olapbill: Dragonflew: kroonermanblack: He's just looking for a reason to tell us why his purchase of a 400$ touch tablet is 'smarter' than buying a console when he already has a gaming rig, a console, a smart phone, and I'm assuming another laptop and iPad.

You should have seen it a couple of years ago when his PSP was better than anything at everything.

On  that note, the Vita that has been getting not much use up until now is getting used daily now for remote play to my PS4.  It's pretty damn cool.


Can it handle every PS4 game through remote play?
 
2013-11-22 03:10:46 PM  
I'll start looking at this generation of consoles when the second hardware design comes out.
 
2013-11-22 03:12:33 PM  

olapbill: Dragonflew: kroonermanblack: He's just looking for a reason to tell us why his purchase of a 400$ touch tablet is 'smarter' than buying a console when he already has a gaming rig, a console, a smart phone, and I'm assuming another laptop and iPad.

You should have seen it a couple of years ago when his PSP was better than anything at everything.

On  that note, the Vita that has been getting not much use up until now is getting used daily now for remote play to my PS4.  It's pretty damn cool.


I only have the PSP, so I am missing out on that bit.
 
2013-11-22 03:15:25 PM  

PsyLord: olapbill: Dragonflew: kroonermanblack: He's just looking for a reason to tell us why his purchase of a 400$ touch tablet is 'smarter' than buying a console when he already has a gaming rig, a console, a smart phone, and I'm assuming another laptop and iPad.

You should have seen it a couple of years ago when his PSP was better than anything at everything.

On  that note, the Vita that has been getting not much use up until now is getting used daily now for remote play to my PS4.  It's pretty damn cool.

Can it handle every PS4 game through remote play?


so far it has.  When you connect you get the whole UI and all options.  So far I've only used it for Knack, Killzone and DCU.
 
2013-11-22 03:17:34 PM  

scottydoesntknow: HeartBurnKid: hammer85: scottydoesntknow: hammer85: Instead we have Ryse and killzone, and neither will last gamers very long.

Don't forget a Free-2-Play Killer Instinct that comes with one character

/What were they thinking with that?!

Seriously?  I thought it was a regular game.  That's just awful.

It is, and it isn't. The free version comes with one character. You can then buy characters individually, or buy the full package for $20. Which, to be honest, I have zero problem with.

It's launching with just 6 characters, with two more to be released in the next 6 months.

That's pretty pathetic for a fighting game. Hell the original KI back in 1994 had 10 (11 including the boss).


I didn't realize that.  Hell, Skullgirls comes with more characters than that, and that's an indie game.
 
2013-11-22 03:19:16 PM  

Lucky LaRue: ManateeGag: wait, I thought the X Box One was going to be the most flawless piece of machinery known to man and make people who are experiencing ps4 issues drop Sony forever!

Nah.  That's just what the PS4 fan boyz are telling each other to boost their morale after such poor judgement in console selection.


oblig...

d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net
 
2013-11-22 03:26:49 PM  

ManateeGag: wait, I thought the X Box One was going to be the most flawless piece of machinery known to man and make people who are experiencing ps4 issues drop Sony forever!


you forgot the 'Sucking Sony's cock' bit.

#/10
 
2013-11-22 03:27:53 PM  

Elegy: Luse: Glad I held out. The only title that really interested me was Forza, and now it's got the RM4FM model and can't even give me 1080p? Fark you Microsoft.

Something about this post smells ignorant and uninformed.....


Yes, the claim is they can give me 1080p at 60 FPS due to the new Cloud Processing. I've yet to see their cloud processing as anything more than a gimick, it will probably be tied into the Gold account so in addition to buying the game, I would have to also get a gold account, and then spend real money in the game. Fark that.
 
2013-11-22 03:28:14 PM  
Sitting here watching VGA's launch day webcast. Setting up the Kinect has been an epic fail so far.
 
2013-11-22 03:29:17 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Me Chinese
Me connive
Me protest at the inhuman factory work conditions by sabotaging your new console's optical drive.


Okay, BBB'dMAO at that one. X-D
 
2013-11-22 03:34:34 PM  

crab66: I'll start looking at this generation of consoles when the second hardware design comes out.


But by then they will have fixed the currently unknown DRM exploits the current boxes have!  You'll have to pay for your games!
 
2013-11-22 03:38:58 PM  
A variety of issues instead of just one. Still, no deal breaker for either manufacturer yet.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/22/xbox-one-early-adopters-repor ti ng-hardware-problems
 
2013-11-22 03:41:11 PM  

frepnog: realmolo: The thing about the new consoles is that they aren't that much better than the last consoles. I mean, yeah, the hardware is way more powerful and everything, but the graphics aren't all that much better. We've hit a plateau, graphically, especially since TVs are locked at 1920x1080.

the issue is that you are equating resolution with meaning anything whatever.  It really doesn't.  Fact is that just like last gen, as the new games get more and more detailed, 1080p is going to mostly be a pipe dream on both consoles (if you want to maintain 60 frames).  both are still relatively anemic machines, PC hardware is ALREADY several generations ahead of the new consoles, and new games are going to do nothing but get more detailed.



PC always had and always well be ahead, the question is of affordability.  All games are developed on PC's, so PC's are always the highest benchmark for the platforms, even consoles.

Killzone looks and plays like a ultra setting PC game at 1080P60, and its a launch game.  I think you'll be surprised what relatively anemic machines can pull off.  Then again, thats nothing new (what consoles can do, launch games looking and playing great IS new).  If you expect Bethesda to lead graphically on a console for Fallout 4, you're just kidding yourself.  It's a poor argument to make, because it's never, ever, ever been the case since maybe the NES/SNES days.  Third parties will aim for parity and make some great engine optimizations, but they'll never be leading the cutting edge with consoles because it's not cost effective for multiple platform software development.  They don't even do that for PC, and rely on brute force and driver tricks from Nvidia/ATI (hence what Valve is trying to do with SteamOS)

Now Naughty Dog putting out a game that rivals top end PC games?  It's pretty likely, since they code to the systems strengths, focus on one thing, and down to the metal. 

As for 1080P pipe dream, only one launch game is missing it, BF4.  Which is unplayable currently on all systems including PC.  Not exactly the best barometer for the future.  Especially when most launch games are unoptimized PC ports.
 
2013-11-22 03:50:19 PM  

uttertosh: ManateeGag: wait, I thought the X Box One was going to be the most flawless piece of machinery known to man and make people who are experiencing ps4 issues drop Sony forever!

you forgot the 'Sucking Sony's cock' bit.

#/10


Actually, that dude also requested to have his taint licked in that other thread, but I don't think that was a console issue.
 
2013-11-22 03:50:51 PM  
It'll be next year, but I know that I'll end up with both.

Just want better games.
 
2013-11-22 03:51:17 PM  

TyrantII: As for 1080P pipe dream, only one launch game is missing it, BF4.


Lets be honest here, you aren't missing anything by not playing BF4.
 
2013-11-22 03:55:38 PM  

fluffy2097: TyrantII: As for 1080P pipe dream, only one launch game is missing it, BF4.

Lets be honest here, you aren't missing anything by not playing BF4.


I enjoy it as a squad based game with friends.  Still Killzone is a bit superior if you're looking for a teamgame FPS.  I love how they have rolling game modes and tend to have some of the best FPS maps not on PC.  KZ sucks for the lone wolves though.
 
2013-11-22 03:55:48 PM  
Hey  frepnog:

Didn't you say Sony was sacrificing virgins for this?

Why are you still here?
 
2013-11-22 03:57:40 PM  

Luse: Elegy: Luse: Glad I held out. The only title that really interested me was Forza, and now it's got the RM4FM model and can't even give me 1080p? Fark you Microsoft.

Something about this post smells ignorant and uninformed.....

Yes, the claim is they can give me 1080p at 60 FPS due to the new Cloud Processing. I've yet to see their cloud processing as anything more than a gimick, it will probably be tied into the Gold account so in addition to buying the game, I would have to also get a gold account, and then spend real money in the game. Fark that.


No, I was talking more along the lines of the fact that Forza plays at 1080p 60fps out of the box and you obviously don't know what the fark you are talking about.

You keep shouting that poutrage all over the internet, though. Just like a drum, the emptiest brain is always the loudest.
 
2013-11-22 03:59:58 PM  

Elegy: Just like a drum, the emptiest brain is always the loudest.


I have no dog in y'alls fight, I just wanted to say that's a great line and I will be stealing it for future use.
 
2013-11-22 04:00:30 PM  

Surool: A variety of issues instead of just one. Still, no deal breaker for either manufacturer yet.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/22/xbox-one-early-adopters-repor ti ng-hardware-problems


A tiny minority, although I do feel bad for those hitting the statistical lottery.  They should grab a real lottery ticket while they're still lucky!

This is the first real launch in the age of social media.  The problems get dialed up to 10, because they get page clicks.

1,000,000 PS4's and most likely 700,000 XB1's were sold in the past 7 days.  1200 bad reviews combine on amazon are almost at four sigma level; which ain't too bad for DOA CE's.
 
2013-11-22 04:05:20 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys

 
2013-11-22 04:06:09 PM  

Elegy: Luse: Elegy: Luse: Glad I held out. The only title that really interested me was Forza, and now it's got the RM4FM model and can't even give me 1080p? Fark you Microsoft.

Something about this post smells ignorant and uninformed.....

Yes, the claim is they can give me 1080p at 60 FPS due to the new Cloud Processing. I've yet to see their cloud processing as anything more than a gimick, it will probably be tied into the Gold account so in addition to buying the game, I would have to also get a gold account, and then spend real money in the game. Fark that.

No, I was talking more along the lines of the fact that Forza plays at 1080p 60fps out of the box and you obviously don't know what the fark you are talking about.

You keep shouting that poutrage all over the internet, though. Just like a drum, the emptiest brain is always the loudest.


i thought that was supposed to be a fart.  but that works too.
 
2013-11-22 04:06:18 PM  

Elegy: Luse: Elegy: Luse: Glad I held out. The only title that really interested me was Forza, and now it's got the RM4FM model and can't even give me 1080p? Fark you Microsoft.

Something about this post smells ignorant and uninformed.....

Yes, the claim is they can give me 1080p at 60 FPS due to the new Cloud Processing. I've yet to see their cloud processing as anything more than a gimick, it will probably be tied into the Gold account so in addition to buying the game, I would have to also get a gold account, and then spend real money in the game. Fark that.

No, I was talking more along the lines of the fact that Forza plays at 1080p 60fps out of the box and you obviously don't know what the fark you are talking about.

You keep shouting that poutrage all over the internet, though. Just like a drum, the emptiest brain is always the loudest.


Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing. I conjectured that this will likely be tied to Gold, like all "online" functions of Xbox360 are. Show me where I am wrong.
 
2013-11-22 04:07:08 PM  

Luse: Elegy: Luse: Elegy: Luse: Glad I held out. The only title that really interested me was Forza, and now it's got the RM4FM model and can't even give me 1080p? Fark you Microsoft.

Something about this post smells ignorant and uninformed.....

Yes, the claim is they can give me 1080p at 60 FPS due to the new Cloud Processing. I've yet to see their cloud processing as anything more than a gimick, it will probably be tied into the Gold account so in addition to buying the game, I would have to also get a gold account, and then spend real money in the game. Fark that.

No, I was talking more along the lines of the fact that Forza plays at 1080p 60fps out of the box and you obviously don't know what the fark you are talking about.

You keep shouting that poutrage all over the internet, though. Just like a drum, the emptiest brain is always the loudest.

Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing. I conjectured that this will likely be tied to Gold, like all "online" functions of Xbox360 are. Show me where I am wrong.


Gah, and preview is my farking friend. http://1080p visuals and 60 frames a second performance to Microsoft's furnishing Turn 10 with easy access to scalable servers
 
2013-11-22 04:12:40 PM  

Electrify: On the plus side, it looks as if they addressed the overheating problems of the last generation.


Did you see the size of that HVAC system they have installed? Serious industrial air-mover. Any bigger and you'd have to heat it with a hair-dryer to get it to crank over.
 
2013-11-22 04:16:48 PM  

Luse: Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing.


So you are seriously saying that it would not be 1080p if you did not have an internet connection?  Connecting to the 'net magically increases the resolution?

Ah, looks like you figured it out in your follow up post. Man, that must be embarrassing.
 
2013-11-22 04:26:59 PM  

Luse: Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing. I conjectured that this will likely be tied to Gold, like all "online" functions of Xbox360 are. Show me where I am wrong.


You're such an idiot. Stop believing troll threads on /v/ and neogaf. Forza doesn't require the cloud to achieve 1080p/60fps - it will do that offline just fine. The whole idea that cloud computing is required for high resolution is based on a deliberate misunderstanding of something the developers said.

Link:
Forza Motorsport 5 owes its 1080p visuals and 60 frames a second performance to Microsoft's furnishing Turn 10 with easy access to scalable servers, creative director Dan Greenawalt has told OXM. The ability to tap into Xbox Live Compute has allowed the studio to lavish more time and development resources on the game's visuals and complex physics systems; without this advantage, it would have had trouble achieving Forza 5's final resolution.

To be clear, this isn't the same as saying that the game won't run as advertised without an internet connection, only that Microsoft has shouldered the burden of providing and tuning the servers, which has allowed Turn 10 to focus on maintaining 1080p.


Now - can we please address whatever mental defect people like you have, that leads you to claim on the one hand that cloud computing is shiat and a scam and can't possibly add anything meaningful to a game, yet then turn around a moment later and claim that cloud computing is so critical to Forza's performance that the game can't achieve 1080p/60fps without it?
 
2013-11-22 04:31:09 PM  
I prefer analog downloads myself...
 
2013-11-22 04:36:18 PM  

Elegy: Luse: Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing. I conjectured that this will likely be tied to Gold, like all "online" functions of Xbox360 are. Show me where I am wrong.

You're such an idiot. Stop believing troll threads on /v/ and neogaf. Forza doesn't require the cloud to achieve 1080p/60fps - it will do that offline just fine. The whole idea that cloud computing is required for high resolution is based on a deliberate misunderstanding of something the developers said.

Link:
Forza Motorsport 5 owes its 1080p visuals and 60 frames a second performance to Microsoft's furnishing Turn 10 with easy access to scalable servers, creative director Dan Greenawalt has told OXM. The ability to tap into Xbox Live Compute has allowed the studio to lavish more time and development resources on the game's visuals and complex physics systems; without this advantage, it would have had trouble achieving Forza 5's final resolution.

To be clear, this isn't the same as saying that the game won't run as advertised without an internet connection, only that Microsoft has shouldered the burden of providing and tuning the servers, which has allowed Turn 10 to focus on maintaining 1080p.

Now - can we please address whatever mental defect people like you have, that leads you to claim on the one hand that cloud computing is shiat and a scam and can't possibly add anything meaningful to a game, yet then turn around a moment later and claim that cloud computing is so critical to Forza's performance that the game can't achieve 1080p/60fps without it?


Personal attacks are a sure sign of a strong position. The very words you try to place in my mouth came from turn 10. Just because Microsoft CLAIMS something does not make it true, unless you think all of their claims have been completely honest in the past. If you wanted to really prove me wrong, which I may be, you would maybe link to a 3rd party test of an Xbone running Forza 5 offline in 1080p @60fps.
You would do that if you weren't so busy being a douche.
 
2013-11-22 04:38:53 PM  

Dragonflew: Luse: Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing.

So you are seriously saying that it would not be 1080p if you did not have an internet connection?  Connecting to the 'net magically increases the resolution?

Ah, looks like you figured it out in your follow up post. Man, that must be embarrassing.


No, that's actually what the manufacturer was claiming. It wouldn't be possible without the mystical Microfart Cloud. They've since backtracked with mumbojumbo. I'll believe it when I see it.

Oh, and fark eating the link, yeah, that really weighs heavily on me. How would you suggest I kill myself?
 
2013-11-22 04:52:05 PM  

Elegy: Luse: Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing. I conjectured that this will likely be tied to Gold, like all "online" functions of Xbox360 are. Show me where I am wrong.

You're such an idiot. Stop believing troll threads on /v/ and neogaf. Forza doesn't require the cloud to achieve 1080p/60fps - it will do that offline just fine. The whole idea that cloud computing is required for high resolution is based on a deliberate misunderstanding of something the developers said.

Link:
Forza Motorsport 5 owes its 1080p visuals and 60 frames a second performance to Microsoft's furnishing Turn 10 with easy access to scalable servers, creative director Dan Greenawalt has told OXM. The ability to tap into Xbox Live Compute has allowed the studio to lavish more time and development resources on the game's visuals and complex physics systems; without this advantage, it would have had trouble achieving Forza 5's final resolution.

To be clear, this isn't the same as saying that the game won't run as advertised without an internet connection, only that Microsoft has shouldered the burden of providing and tuning the servers, which has allowed Turn 10 to focus on maintaining 1080p.

Now - can we please address whatever mental defect people like you have, that leads you to claim on the one hand that cloud computing is shiat and a scam and can't possibly add anything meaningful to a game, yet then turn around a moment later and claim that cloud computing is so critical to Forza's performance that the game can't achieve 1080p/60fps without it?


Forget it man, you're talking to someone who thinks he's justified in shooting someone in the back who punches him and runs away because and I quote, "I don't know what he's going to do next [after fleeing]."

Ya, really. And apparently he's so stupid that he doesn't even have the faintest idea of what a 'cloud' is.

He probably thinks that he's 'lagging' when the hardware isn't able to keep up on his computer.

Just ignore and move on with life.
 
2013-11-22 04:54:35 PM  

justtray: Elegy: Luse: Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing. I conjectured that this will likely be tied to Gold, like all "online" functions of Xbox360 are. Show me where I am wrong.

You're such an idiot. Stop believing troll threads on /v/ and neogaf. Forza doesn't require the cloud to achieve 1080p/60fps - it will do that offline just fine. The whole idea that cloud computing is required for high resolution is based on a deliberate misunderstanding of something the developers said.

Link:
Forza Motorsport 5 owes its 1080p visuals and 60 frames a second performance to Microsoft's furnishing Turn 10 with easy access to scalable servers, creative director Dan Greenawalt has told OXM. The ability to tap into Xbox Live Compute has allowed the studio to lavish more time and development resources on the game's visuals and complex physics systems; without this advantage, it would have had trouble achieving Forza 5's final resolution.

To be clear, this isn't the same as saying that the game won't run as advertised without an internet connection, only that Microsoft has shouldered the burden of providing and tuning the servers, which has allowed Turn 10 to focus on maintaining 1080p.

Now - can we please address whatever mental defect people like you have, that leads you to claim on the one hand that cloud computing is shiat and a scam and can't possibly add anything meaningful to a game, yet then turn around a moment later and claim that cloud computing is so critical to Forza's performance that the game can't achieve 1080p/60fps without it?

Forget it man, you're talking to someone who thinks he's justified in shooting someone in the back who punches him and runs away because and I quote, "I don't know what he's going to do next [after fleeing]."

Ya, really. And apparently he's so stupid that he doesn't even have the faintest idea of what a 'cloud' is.

He probably thinks that he's 'lagging' when the hardware isn't able t ...


Cross thread shiatting. A new low for you. Are you ever going to get around to actually answering anything or are you just going to run around and call people names?
 
2013-11-22 04:54:40 PM  

Luse: Dragonflew: Luse: Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing.

So you are seriously saying that it would not be 1080p if you did not have an internet connection?  Connecting to the 'net magically increases the resolution?

Ah, looks like you figured it out in your follow up post. Man, that must be embarrassing.

No, that's actually what the manufacturer was claiming. It wouldn't be possible without the mystical Microfart Cloud. They've since backtracked with mumbojumbo. I'll believe it when I see it.

Oh, and fark eating the link, yeah, that really weighs heavily on me. How would you suggest I kill myself?


Let me ask you this;

How would reading data on a local machine, sending that data through the internet to a remote location, having it get sent back to my local machine increase the rate at which my local machine can process data?

Before you make posts in the future, please try to learn a bit more. When you spout off things that you know you don't understand, and pretend that you do, it makes you look incredibly stupid.
 
2013-11-22 04:54:58 PM  

Luse: No, that's actually what the manufacturer was claiming. It wouldn't be possible without the mystical Microfart Cloud. They've since backtracked with mumbojumbo. I'll believe it when I see it.



The developers said that because of cloud computing, they were able to focus their efforts on making the game 1080p.  You seem to believe that it will only do 1080p if you're connected to the cloud.
 
2013-11-22 04:55:50 PM  

Luse: Cross thread shiatting. A new low for you. Are you ever going to get around to actually answering anything or are you just going to run around and call people names?


See above. Next time, ask the question of things you don't understand instead of passing your misunderstandings off as fact and demanding that everyone politely correct your ignorance.
 
2013-11-22 04:59:42 PM  

justtray: Luse: Dragonflew: Luse: Obviously. Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing.

So you are seriously saying that it would not be 1080p if you did not have an internet connection?  Connecting to the 'net magically increases the resolution?

Ah, looks like you figured it out in your follow up post. Man, that must be embarrassing.

No, that's actually what the manufacturer was claiming. It wouldn't be possible without the mystical Microfart Cloud. They've since backtracked with mumbojumbo. I'll believe it when I see it.

Oh, and fark eating the link, yeah, that really weighs heavily on me. How would you suggest I kill myself?

Let me ask you this;

How would reading data on a local machine, sending that data through the internet to a remote location, having it get sent back to my local machine increase the rate at which my local machine can process data?

Before you make posts in the future, please try to learn a bit more. When you spout off things that you know you don't understand, and pretend that you do, it makes you look incredibly stupid.


I don't believe it would. Turn 10 has been less then clear in their claims. I also saw some article that said that the online processing helps the tire and suspension physics. It also sounds hokey to me.
All I am saying is I am unwilling to drop 600 bucks for an unproven platform from a manufacturer who has a less then sterling reputation based solely on their word. You seem to make alot of assumptions in every thread you're in. I am more skeptical.
 
2013-11-22 05:00:22 PM  
i203.photobucket.com

Still works great.
Better games, too.
 
2013-11-22 05:00:56 PM  

justtray: Luse: Cross thread shiatting. A new low for you. Are you ever going to get around to actually answering anything or are you just going to run around and call people names?

See above. Next time, ask the question of things you don't understand instead of passing your misunderstandings off as fact and demanding that everyone politely correct your ignorance.


Also see above. Show me an independent offline test and I will admit I'm wrong about it not being 1080p. I simply won't take Microsoft's word for it.
 
2013-11-22 05:17:49 PM  

TyrantII: fluffy2097: TyrantII: As for 1080P pipe dream, only one launch game is missing it, BF4.

Lets be honest here, you aren't missing anything by not playing BF4.

I enjoy it as a squad based game with friends.  Still Killzone is a bit superior if you're looking for a teamgame FPS.  I love how they have rolling game modes and tend to have some of the best FPS maps not on PC.  KZ sucks for the lone wolves though.


You.  Stop talking.

/missing KZ Shadow Fall
//long story, involves a gaming buddy in Michigan, his sick wife and financial trouble
 
2013-11-22 05:20:11 PM  

Luse: Personal attacks are a sure sign of a strong position. The very words you try to place in my mouth came from turn 10.


Turn 10 said that the game was 60fps/1080p because MS cloud strategy essentially allowed them to drop in the online features and not worrying about them, allowing the developers the time to focus on making sure the game runs in 1080p60. It is right there in the interview I linked to, word for word. The article that was very explicit about Turn 10's comments not being the same as claiming Forza can't do 1080p60 without the cloud.

Just because Microsoft CLAIMS something does not make it true, unless you think all of their claims have been completely honest in the past.

Wow. That's pretty weak. "MS IS EVIL SO THIS PATENTLY UNTRUE BULLSHIAT I'M SAYING MIGHT BE TRUE."

Not to mention that we were talking about something the Turn 10 developers said, not something MS said. You don't mentally track very well, do you?

If you wanted to really prove me wrong, which I may be, you would maybe link to a 3rd party test of an Xbone running Forza 5 offline in 1080p @60fps.

How can you prove a negative? I've read dozens of reviews of Forza - all of them mention that the game looks gorgeous in 1080p60, and not a single one mentions a massive resolution drop for offline play. Why? Because the framerate drop DOESN'T EXIST.

Turn it around - find me one review that shows such a framerate drop DOES exist. I've looked, and I can't find it. Since you seem so sure of this info, you shouldn't have any problem providing such a link.

Additionally, if Forza did drop from 1080p60 to 720p30 without the cloud - it would be farking revolutionary. It would be plastered across the front page of every gaming sight known to man, because it would illustrate that, despite everyone's expectations, MS server technology is capable of providing massive computational increases on a home console and streaming them live to players. There would be almost no limits to the awesomeness MS could do. I would literally run out and buy an Xbone and buy it today is it were true that MS has that kind of technological prowess sitting in its back pocket.

You would do that if you weren't so busy being a douche.

It's not a douche to point out that you're stupid for believing something stupid, and providing you with sources to back up my point.

Being a douche would be posting complete bullshiat and utter lies in a thread because of your irrational hatred for a company, and then spinning elaborate, paranoid fantasies about how MS is going to use this non-existent resolution drop to force users to buy xbox live gold or game at a lower resolution.
 
2013-11-22 05:20:30 PM  

Luse: justtray: Luse: Cross thread shiatting. A new low for you. Are you ever going to get around to actually answering anything or are you just going to run around and call people names?

See above. Next time, ask the question of things you don't understand instead of passing your misunderstandings off as fact and demanding that everyone politely correct your ignorance.

Also see above. Show me an independent offline test and I will admit I'm wrong about it not being 1080p. I simply won't take Microsoft's word for it.


I would have thought it would be common sense that being connected to the internet has nothing to do with the resolution that a game can be run at. How would that even work?
 
Juc
2013-11-22 05:23:01 PM  
I'll say more or less the same thing I said in the ps4 thread.
It's a little silly to be jumping on hardware failure in the first days unless it's obviously some HUGE percentage of consoles that are bricked.
Anybody who expects 0 failures something like this is overly optimistic.
 
2013-11-22 05:23:31 PM  

Luse: Also see above. Show me an independent offline test and I will admit I'm wrong about it not being 1080p. I simply won't take Microsoft's word for it.


Show me where it says it will be 720p offline as opposed to "the availability of the cloud allowed us time to focus more on graphics". I have tried, and all I can find are forums filled with people laughing at those who believe that an internet connection adds pixels.
 
2013-11-22 05:27:01 PM  

Lucky LaRue: Microsoft already said they weren't going to allow off-line updating of the XBox One.


Bullshiat .They had the downloadable day one patch online for about a week already for USB
 
2013-11-22 05:29:41 PM  

Elegy: Luse: Personal attacks are a sure sign of a strong position. The very words you try to place in my mouth came from turn 10.

Turn 10 said that the game was 60fps/1080p because MS cloud strategy essentially allowed them to drop in the online features and not worrying about them, allowing the developers the time to focus on making sure the game runs in 1080p60. It is right there in the interview I linked to, word for word. The article that was very explicit about Turn 10's comments not being the same as claiming Forza can't do 1080p60 without the cloud.

Just because Microsoft CLAIMS something does not make it true, unless you think all of their claims have been completely honest in the past.

Wow. That's pretty weak. "MS IS EVIL SO THIS PATENTLY UNTRUE BULLSHIAT I'M SAYING MIGHT BE TRUE."

Not to mention that we were talking about something the Turn 10 developers said, not something MS said. You don't mentally track very well, do you?

If you wanted to really prove me wrong, which I may be, you would maybe link to a 3rd party test of an Xbone running Forza 5 offline in 1080p @60fps.

How can you prove a negative? I've read dozens of reviews of Forza - all of them mention that the game looks gorgeous in 1080p60, and not a single one mentions a massive resolution drop for offline play. Why? Because the framerate drop DOESN'T EXIST.

Turn it around - find me one review that shows such a framerate drop DOES exist. I've looked, and I can't find it. Since you seem so sure of this info, you shouldn't have any problem providing such a link.

Additionally, if Forza did drop from 1080p60 to 720p30 without the cloud - it would be farking revolutionary. It would be plastered across the front page of every gaming sight known to man, because it would illustrate that, despite everyone's expectations, MS server technology is capable of providing massive computational increases on a home console and streaming them live to players. There would be almost no limits to the awesomeness M ...


Ok, then please explain in great detail what the cloud technology actually does. Turn 10 has had to "clarify" their statements. You mention that no review mentions a "massive resolution drop". Does any review mention the conditions of their test? I'm assuming most of the tests are conducted online, with a gold account, "as the game was intended".

It's not my fault that MS AND Turn 10 have made a shiatload of claims that just don't make sense. If I hear someone making crazy claims, then backtracking, then making other claims then backtracking I will naturally be skeptical of what they are saying. I don't have MS hatred. The 360 was my goto console in the last gen, even tho I own both. I simply won't take everything they say at face value.

"MS server technology is capable of providing massive computational increases on a home console and streaming them live to players."

Microsoft has even claimed that very thing. They've stated that the hardware advantage (better ram) and the fact that the PS4 has more resources dedicated to gaming won't matter because of that very thing. Not my fault if they spew bullshiat, then backtrack and I refuse to buy their new line of bullshiat hook line and sinker.
 
2013-11-22 05:31:06 PM  

Dragonflew: Luse: Also see above. Show me an independent offline test and I will admit I'm wrong about it not being 1080p. I simply won't take Microsoft's word for it.

Show me where it says it will be 720p offline as opposed to "the availability of the cloud allowed us time to focus more on graphics". I have tried, and all I can find are forums filled with people laughing at those who believe that an internet connection adds pixels.


I've already said this sounds hokey to me. Microsoft claims that their cloud increases performance, not I.
 
2013-11-22 05:31:12 PM  
I posted on their tech support forums if it would satisfy the always-on requirements if I just fedex'd my packets instead.

Still waiting for the the delivery guy to bring me my response.
 
2013-11-22 05:34:26 PM  

Dragonflew: Luse: Also see above. Show me an independent offline test and I will admit I'm wrong about it not being 1080p. I simply won't take Microsoft's word for it.

Show me where it says it will be 720p offline as opposed to "the availability of the cloud allowed us time to focus more on graphics". I have tried, and all I can find are forums filled with people laughing at those who believe that an internet connection adds pixels.


I found this one:

http://www.fark.com/comments/8029880/Some-Xbox-One-owners-are-report in g-a-malfunctioning-inoperable-disc-drive-Well-thats-one-way-to-force-p eople-into-digital-downloads&new=1#new
 
2013-11-22 05:41:08 PM  
Enjoying my WiiU but may get a PS4 or XBone next year if I have time and/or money. I'll wait to see which wins round 1.
 
2013-11-22 05:43:05 PM  

Luse: Ok, then please explain in great detail what the cloud technology actually does. Turn 10 has had to "clarify" their statements. You mention that no review mentions a "massive resolution drop". Does any review mention the conditions of their test? I'm assuming most of the tests are conducted online, with a gold account, "as the game was intended".

It's not my fault that MS AND Turn 10 have made a shiatload of claims that just don't make sense. If I hear someone making crazy claims, then backtracking, then making other claims then backtracking I will naturally be skeptical of what they are saying. I don't have MS hatred. The 360 was my goto console in the last gen, even tho I own both. I simply won't take everything they say at face value.

"MS server technology is capable of providing massive computational increases on a home console and streaming them live to players."

Microsoft has even claimed that very thing. They've stated that the hardware advantage (better ram) and the fact that the PS4 has more resources dedicated to gaming won't matter because of that very thing. Not my fault if they spew bullshiat, then backtrack and I refuse to buy their new line of bullshiat hook line and sinker.


Are you serious man? I literally just told you.

Luse: I don't believe it would. Turn 10 has been less then clear in their claims. I also saw some article that said that the online processing helps the tire and suspension physics. It also sounds hokey to me.

As for the bold, WTF? This was ALSO disproven to you.

Elegy: To be clear, this isn't the same as saying that the game won't run as advertised without an internet connection, only that Microsoft has shouldered the burden of providing and tuning the servers, which has allowed Turn 10 to focus on maintaining 1080p.

AND Microsoft never made that claim. Something else Elegy corrected you in the same post....
 
2013-11-22 05:44:39 PM  
Damn my piece about cloud computing got deleted.

Without knowing anything I can safely assume that the cloud portion of it allowed the developer of the game to focus on game performance instead of saved games and online play since that is all handled through Microsoft's online xbox live cloud.

That's what a cloud does, it stores data and allows you to access it remotely. THe benefit being you can access it from any device since it's not stored locally on the hard drive.

There you learned something today. Next time just google it.
 
2013-11-22 05:45:09 PM  

justtray: Luse: Ok, then please explain in great detail what the cloud technology actually does. Turn 10 has had to "clarify" their statements. You mention that no review mentions a "massive resolution drop". Does any review mention the conditions of their test? I'm assuming most of the tests are conducted online, with a gold account, "as the game was intended".

It's not my fault that MS AND Turn 10 have made a shiatload of claims that just don't make sense. If I hear someone making crazy claims, then backtracking, then making other claims then backtracking I will naturally be skeptical of what they are saying. I don't have MS hatred. The 360 was my goto console in the last gen, even tho I own both. I simply won't take everything they say at face value.

"MS server technology is capable of providing massive computational increases on a home console and streaming them live to players."

Microsoft has even claimed that very thing. They've stated that the hardware advantage (better ram) and the fact that the PS4 has more resources dedicated to gaming won't matter because of that very thing. Not my fault if they spew bullshiat, then backtrack and I refuse to buy their new line of bullshiat hook line and sinker.

Are you serious man? I literally just told you.

Luse: I don't believe it would. Turn 10 has been less then clear in their claims. I also saw some article that said that the online processing helps the tire and suspension physics. It also sounds hokey to me.

As for the bold, WTF? This was ALSO disproven to you.

Elegy: To be clear, this isn't the same as saying that the game won't run as advertised without an internet connection, only that Microsoft has shouldered the burden of providing and tuning the servers, which has allowed Turn 10 to focus on maintaining 1080p.

AND Microsoft never made that claim. Something else Elegy corrected you in the same post....


Microsoft has never claimed that the cloud enhances performance? http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/24/report-xbox-one-performance-upped-b y -cloud-processing/
 
2013-11-22 05:48:23 PM  
I don't give two shiats what console people choose or if they choose no console at all. Like I've said, never had one before and I truly think both will be nice and fun and have plenty of excellent games within a year. But still, I find the endless carping about $100 to be somewhat amusing when we are discussing devices for which the cost of the console itself will be an almost insignificant percentage of the total gaming expenditure after considering the cost of the games and accessories and services, etc.
 
2013-11-22 05:49:24 PM  
XBONED!
 
2013-11-22 06:00:16 PM  
Disc drive? You mean people still... physically move data?
 
2013-11-22 06:06:58 PM  

Scruffinator: Decillion: Dragonflew: Decillion:Xbox One will have no issues.

In my defense I was in a drunken stupor.

But I stand by it. 3 videos on youtube is not an issue.

http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1r6wb3/xbox_one_issues_so_f ar /

It's a little bit more than that, but not by much.  It looks like there's a little bit less of an issue than the PS4 had.  Well within the acceptable range of defects, anyways.

I'm actually kind of surprised it's going as well as it is.  But, the day is young, I suppose...


well, technically it's going better because Xbox Live hasn't crashed and burned like PSN did for a weekend
 
2013-11-22 06:10:59 PM  
Heh. My office is across the street from my house. Just put the box inside - frankly I was thinking it would be a bigger box. I'll let you know in about three hours if it works or not...
 
2013-11-22 06:12:51 PM  

Luse: Ok, then please explain in great detail what the cloud technology actually does. Turn 10 has had to "clarify" their statements. You mention that no review mentions a "massive resolution drop". Does any review mention the conditions of their test? I'm assuming most of the tests are conducted online, with a gold account, "as the game was intended".


The cloud server technology is involved in online play, and the drivatar AI system. Your drivatar is an AI composite of your driving, and it competes in online play for bonuses that accrue to you when you're not logged in.

MS and Turn 10 have been pretty specific about what the cloud technology brings to Forza.

Again - if the resolution drop is real, it will have been big news and talked about everywhere. By reviewers. By people that now own the console and the game. Gamers especially will be howling mad if their console doesn't perform as expected in single player mode.

This shouldn't be hard to prove if true.

So prove it.

Protip: you can't, because you swallowed a troll hook line and sinker.

But you know that, because you tried to search for proof and couldn't find it, right? That's why you're trying so hard to walk back your claims and blame everything on someone else right now.

It's not my fault that MS AND Turn 10 have made a shiatload of claims that just don't make sense. If I hear someone making crazy claims, then backtracking, then making other claims then backtracking I will naturally be skeptical of what they are saying.

It's your fault for believing the crazy claims of online trolls and fanbois without doing the modicum of research - really, is one search in google too hard for you? - before making a complete ass of yourself on a public forum.

I don't have MS hatred. The 360 was my goto console in the last gen, even tho I own both. I simply won't take everything they say at face value.

Really? Doesn't look like it from here. First you claimed something that was patently untrue about Forza's resolution, and then you started spinning paranoid stories about how this means Microsoft was probably going to force users to connect to XBL in order to play in 1080p60, otherwise they were going to be stuck at a lower resolution.

Now that you've been confronted with actual sources and the illogical nature of your own bullshiat has been pointed out by me and others, you're trying to backwalk and blame your own erroneous beliefs - dah dah DUM - on Microsoft.

You have Microsoft derangement syndrome, and its farking obvious from a mile away.

Luse: Microsoft has even claimed that very thing. They've stated that the hardware advantage (better ram) and the fact that the PS4 has more resources dedicated to gaming won't matter because of that very thing. Not my fault if they spew bullshiat, then backtrack and I refuse to buy their new line of bullshiat hook line and sinker.


This doesn't even make sense. You're skeptical of MS claims about the cloud power and don't think it can add anything to games, and you've been skeptical of those claims all along, you rational clear thinking logician you.

And yet, you are completely willing to believe anonymous internet trolls promulgating bad information because it confirms your bias, without stopping to think that IF Forza does experience a huge resolution drop, then it actually proves that MS can do amazing things with the cloud - the same cloud you claim you have been skeptical about this whole time.

Which is it? Is the cloud useless, or is it adding enough oomph to the console to take Forza from 720p30 to 1080p60? It can't be both - unless, of course, you're a lazy thinker willing to believe the worst in Microsoft because of your own personal axe to grind.

This has nothing to do with MS claims - neither Turn 10 nor MS claimed Forza got a resolution boost from the cloud. Ever. YOU were the one that claimed Forza got a huge boost from the cloud, and its pretty farking hilarious to watch you try and shuffle off blame for your own idiocy onto Microsoft.

Your arguments made no farking sense in the first place, and they're making even less sense the more you try to backwalk your own idiocy.

I hope you learned an important lesson today about believing internet trolls, especially internet trolls that confirm you own biases.
 
2013-11-22 06:24:00 PM  

Elegy: Luse: Ok, then please explain in great detail what the cloud technology actually does. Turn 10 has had to "clarify" their statements. You mention that no review mentions a "massive resolution drop". Does any review mention the conditions of their test? I'm assuming most of the tests are conducted online, with a gold account, "as the game was intended".

This has nothing to do with MS claims - neither Turn 10 nor MS claimed Forza got a resolution boost from the cloud. Ever. YOU were the one that claimed Forza got a huge boost from the cloud, and its pretty farking hilarious to watch you try and shuffle off blame for your own idiocy onto Microsoft.
Your arguments made no farking sense in the first place, and they're making even less sense the more you try to backwalk your own idiocy.
I hope you learned an important lesson today about believing internet trolls, especially internet trolls that confirm you own biases.



Ok.

If that's too hard for you here you go.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/microsofts-phil-harrison-assures-xbox-on es -cloud-network-will-boost-graphical-performance/58135.html?utm_source= rss
http://www.oxm.co.uk/64112/xbox-one-will-get-performance-increases-o ve r-time-via-the-cloud-says-phil-harrison/
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/how-the-xbox-one-draws-more-pr oc essing-power-from-cloud-computing/
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/24/report-xbox-one-performance-upped- by -cloud-processing/

But I'm the one making stupid claims. Perhaps when you get Balmer's cock out of your mouth you'll bother reading what MS themselves have put out.
 
2013-11-22 06:24:38 PM  

AdamK: well, technically it's going better because Xbox Live hasn't crashed and burned like PSN did for a weekend


Or for 3 months, even bringing down Netflix access.
 
2013-11-22 06:27:56 PM  
Luse:Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing.

Luse: I'm the one making stupid claims.
 
2013-11-22 06:29:28 PM  
Oh, here's another little gem.

And a little excerp for you to whet your appetite.


"Greenawalt says that by letting the cloud handle the AI side, the performance of Drivatar can be boosted by as much as 600 percent, letting the Xbox One hardware use that freed 20 percent of processing power on something else. "
 
2013-11-22 06:30:54 PM  

Dragonflew: Luse:Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing.

Luse: I'm the one making stupid claims.


Yeah, look one post up.
 
2013-11-22 06:31:11 PM  
You guys are cracking me up. I just tried to figure out who is on which side of the hair splitter and I couldn't do it.
 
2013-11-22 06:32:09 PM  

Elegy: Luse: Ok, then please explain in great detail what the cloud technology actually does. Turn 10 has had to "clarify" their statements. You mention that no review mentions a "massive resolution drop". Does any review mention the conditions of their test? I'm assuming most of the tests are conducted online, with a gold account, "as the game was intended".

The cloud server technology is involved in online play, and the drivatar AI system. Your drivatar is an AI composite of your driving, and it competes in online play for bonuses that accrue to you when you're not logged in.

MS and Turn 10 have been pretty specific about what the cloud technology brings to Forza.

Again - if the resolution drop is real, it will have been big news and talked about everywhere. By reviewers. By people that now own the console and the game. Gamers especially will be howling mad if their console doesn't perform as expected in single player mode.

This shouldn't be hard to prove if true.

So prove it.

Protip: you can't, because you swallowed a troll hook line and sinker.

But you know that, because you tried to search for proof and couldn't find it, right? That's why you're trying so hard to walk back your claims and blame everything on someone else right now.

It's not my fault that MS AND Turn 10 have made a shiatload of claims that just don't make sense. If I hear someone making crazy claims, then backtracking, then making other claims then backtracking I will naturally be skeptical of what they are saying.

It's your fault for believing the crazy claims of online trolls and fanbois without doing the modicum of research - really, is one search in google too hard for you? - before making a complete ass of yourself on a public forum.

I don't have MS hatred. The 360 was my goto console in the last gen, even tho I own both. I simply won't take everything they say at face value.

Really? Doesn't look like it from here. First you claimed something that was patently untrue about Forza's reso ...


Digital Foundry already said they are going to test the game on and offline. That should clear everything up.
 
2013-11-22 06:40:22 PM  

JohnBigBootay: I don't give two shiats what console people choose or if they choose no console at all. Like I've said, never had one before and I truly think both will be nice and fun and have plenty of excellent games within a year. But still, I find the endless carping about $100 to be somewhat amusing when we are discussing devices for which the cost of the console itself will be an almost insignificant percentage of the total gaming expenditure after considering the cost of the games and accessories and services, etc.


yeah... (sigh) i spent too much money on console gaming last gen, i plan on never doing that again
 
2013-11-22 06:50:20 PM  

Dragonflew: Luse:Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing.

Luse: I'm the one making stupid claims.


Elegy:


This shouldn't be hard to prove if true.

So prove it.

Protip: you can't, because you swallowed a troll hook line and sinker.


Really? Doesn't look like it from here. First you claimed something that was patently untrue about Forza's reso ...


justtray:

There you learned something today. Next time just google it.


"When you've got a learning neural network, more computing power is nothing but helpful. Because what you're able to do is process a lot more information, and you don't have to do it in real-time on the box. And that frees up more of the box to be doing graphics or audio or other computational areas," said Greenawalt. "So we can now make our AI instead of just being 20%, 10% of the box's capability, we can make it 600% of the box's capability. Put it in the cloud and free up that 10% or 20% to make the graphics better - on a box that's already more powerful than we worked on before."

broncotalk.net
 
2013-11-22 06:51:07 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-22 06:51:12 PM  

AdamK: JohnBigBootay: I don't give two shiats what console people choose or if they choose no console at all. Like I've said, never had one before and I truly think both will be nice and fun and have plenty of excellent games within a year. But still, I find the endless carping about $100 to be somewhat amusing when we are discussing devices for which the cost of the console itself will be an almost insignificant percentage of the total gaming expenditure after considering the cost of the games and accessories and services, etc.

yeah... (sigh) i spent too much money on console gaming last gen, i plan on never doing that again


I hope I don't do that. But at 48 and working 50 hours a week and working on my house constantly i doubt it will be a problem. Especially since my extremely limited gaming exposure features me getting a  dude stuck against a wall and then quitting. It ain't like I'm going to 'finish' a game, probably ever. Therefore I don't think I'll spend all that much money on games.
 
2013-11-22 06:54:27 PM  

Luse: Elegy: Luse: Ok, then please explain in great detail what the cloud technology actually does. Turn 10 has had to "clarify" their statements. You mention that no review mentions a "massive resolution drop". Does any review mention the conditions of their test? I'm assuming most of the tests are conducted online, with a gold account, "as the game was intended".

This has nothing to do with MS claims - neither Turn 10 nor MS claimed Forza got a resolution boost from the cloud. Ever. YOU were the one that claimed Forza got a huge boost from the cloud, and its pretty farking hilarious to watch you try and shuffle off blame for your own idiocy onto Microsoft.
Your arguments made no farking sense in the first place, and they're making even less sense the more you try to backwalk your own idiocy.
I hope you learned an important lesson today about believing internet trolls, especially internet trolls that confirm you own biases.


Ok.

If that's too hard for you here you go.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/microsofts-phil-harrison-assures-xbox-on es -cloud-network-will-boost-graphical-performance/58135.html?utm_source= rss
http://www.oxm.co.uk/64112/xbox-one-will-get-performance-increases-o ve r-time-via-the-cloud-says-phil-harrison/
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/how-the-xbox-one-draws-more-pr oc essing-power-from-cloud-computing/
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/24/report-xbox-one-performance-upped- by -cloud-processing/

But I'm the one making stupid claims. Perhaps when you get Balmer's cock out of your mouth you'll bother reading what MS themselves have put out.


You're farking precious.

You hear this everyone? It's MICROSOFT'S fault Luse believed a bunch of stupid things that he read on the Internet. It's MICROSOFT'S fault that was in this thread, bashing Microsoft about a frame rate drop in Forza that doesn't actually exist. It's all MICROSOFT'S fault that Luse spread lies on the Internet and gets called out on it.

Why, oh why, does Microsoft make Luse beat them so?

/for added hilarity, note that he has repeatedly said he never believed Microsoft about the power of the cloud in the first place, so there is absolutely no logical way to connect "not believing Microsoft" to "believing the power of the cloud is so advance it virtually doubles Forza's resolution an framerate" as a defense to why he believes such stupid things
 
2013-11-22 06:58:32 PM  
When the government had a glitch in obamacare, people said it was incompetence.  What's this?
 
2013-11-22 06:59:25 PM  

Elegy: Luse: Elegy: Luse: Ok, then please explain in great detail what the cloud technology actually does. Turn 10 has had to "clarify" their statements. You mention that no review mentions a "massive resolution drop". Does any review mention the conditions of their test? I'm assuming most of the tests are conducted online, with a gold account, "as the game was intended".

This has nothing to do with MS claims - neither Turn 10 nor MS claimed Forza got a resolution boost from the cloud. Ever. YOU were the one that claimed Forza got a huge boost from the cloud, and its pretty farking hilarious to watch you try and shuffle off blame for your own idiocy onto Microsoft.
Your arguments made no farking sense in the first place, and they're making even less sense the more you try to backwalk your own idiocy.
I hope you learned an important lesson today about believing internet trolls, especially internet trolls that confirm you own biases.


Ok.

If that's too hard for you here you go.
http://vr-zone.com/articles/microsofts-phil-harrison-assures-xbox-on es -cloud-network-will-boost-graphical-performance/58135.html?utm_source= rss
http://www.oxm.co.uk/64112/xbox-one-will-get-performance-increases-o ve r-time-via-the-cloud-says-phil-harrison/
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/05/how-the-xbox-one-draws-more-pr oc essing-power-from-cloud-computing/
http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/24/report-xbox-one-performance-upped- by -cloud-processing/

But I'm the one making stupid claims. Perhaps when you get Balmer's cock out of your mouth you'll bother reading what MS themselves have put out.

You're farking precious.

You hear this everyone? It's MICROSOFT'S fault Luse believed a bunch of stupid things that he read on the Internet. It's MICROSOFT'S fault that was in this thread, bashing Microsoft about a frame rate drop in Forza that doesn't actually exist. It's all MICROSOFT'S fault that Luse spread lies on the Internet and gets called out on it.

Why, oh why, does Microsoft make Luse beat t ...


Aaaaand when I prove that both MS and Turn 10 claimed the cloud would give Forza 5 a boost you're back to the personal attacks. I'm sorry reality has such an anti-Elegy lean.

/no I'm not
 
2013-11-22 07:13:58 PM  

Luse: Dragonflew: Luse:Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing.

Luse: I'm the one making stupid claims.

Yeah, look one post up.


Sorry, which link says that Forza will not be 1080p offline?
 
2013-11-22 07:17:53 PM  

Dragonflew: Luse: Dragonflew: Luse:Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing.

Luse: I'm the one making stupid claims.

Yeah, look one post up.


My post below it strongly seems to hint that there will be a 20% graphics hit when not online. This claim is made by Turn 10.
I know you're slow, but do try to keep up.
 
2013-11-22 07:25:33 PM  
When I think of heavy crunching intensive processing power I certainly don't think to driving games where the opponents have essentially four controls and an already established optimum path, couple that with grade ten physics and geometry and you've got a perfect driver.  No, when I think of heavy processing that'd benefit from offloaded decisions given to 'the cloud' I'd say Civ or RTS games.  So far I think all this cloud stuff is crock 'o shiat marketing gimmick, no more capable or relevant then EA's hilarious attempt to claim the same with Simcity.

To suggest a cloud effort could in any way aid in the graphical performance of an end-unit on the wrong side of the processing sea is laughable.  Even if you tried to implement it you'd end up with a latency that'd make the previous gen consoles look sharp and responsive.
 
2013-11-22 07:25:41 PM  
Whenever I see a Microsoft thread, it's fun to count all the people posting "those kittens deserved it."
 
2013-11-22 07:29:37 PM  

BumpInTheNight: When I think of heavy crunching intensive processing power I certainly don't think to driving games where the opponents have essentially four controls and an already established optimum path, couple that with grade ten physics and geometry and you've got a perfect driver.  No, when I think of heavy processing that'd benefit from offloaded decisions given to 'the cloud' I'd say Civ or RTS games.  So far I think all this cloud stuff is crock 'o shiat marketing gimmick, no more capable or relevant then EA's hilarious attempt to claim the same with Simcity.

To suggest a cloud effort could in any way aid in the graphical performance of an end-unit on the wrong side of the processing sea is laughable.  Even if you tried to implement it you'd end up with a latency that'd make the previous gen consoles look sharp and responsive.


The claim confused me as well, especially coming from the developer. This is one reason I'm very curioius about the test Digital Foundry is going to run.
 
2013-11-22 07:32:12 PM  

frepnog: Smelly McUgly: Smeggy Smurf: Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys

I PC game for some stuff (mostly Civ and RTS-style games, some platformers too), but I just prefer a console for most of my gaming. Probably this is because I grew up with an Atari joystick and then a NES controller in my hands.

I also like knowing that if I get a disc for my PS4, it will definitely run optimally. Sometimes, I'll download a game from Steam or GOG and it doesn't really run well at all. :(

what kills me here is sometimes there is no rhyme or reason to it.  The Swapper, for instance.  By all standards I can see, my machine should run that no issue.  Game REFUSES to run.  The Cave?  Runs great at 720, is a slideshow at 1080.  L4D 1 and 2?  LIKE BUTTER at 1080 (all steam).


Sorry to threadjack, but does Steam allow a refund if the game doesn't work (assuming your specs exceed what they require)? I've been thinking about getting a few games for my mid-grade laptop. I don't mind lower settings, but I gave up pc gaming after one too many games wouldn't play on my system.
 
2013-11-22 07:33:29 PM  

BumpInTheNight: When I think of heavy crunching intensive processing power I certainly don't think to driving games where the opponents have essentially four controls and an already established optimum path, couple that with grade ten physics and geometry and you've got a perfect driver.  No, when I think of heavy processing that'd benefit from offloaded decisions given to 'the cloud' I'd say Civ or RTS games.  So far I think all this cloud stuff is crock 'o shiat marketing gimmick, no more capable or relevant then EA's hilarious attempt to claim the same with Simcity.

To suggest a cloud effort could in any way aid in the graphical performance of an end-unit on the wrong side of the processing sea is laughable.  Even if you tried to implement it you'd end up with a latency that'd make the previous gen consoles look sharp and responsive.


Exactly.

While Luse is now shifting from his position that was proven false, he is STILL wrong.

The concept of increasing performance through the cloud is theoretical and highly dependend upon ping to said location and heavily limited to the types of data it can process.

Since the data in a real time game is time sensitive, not only is the processing speed of the cloud important, but the time it takes to transfer there and back also needs to be calculated and optimized for each individual. This is not practical in most game settings. It could be if everyone and the cloud itself were on a local network, which is a supercomputer.

Let us reiterate though, the argument is not about whether or not it's possible to increase performance with additional computers, we know that is possible but not practical.

The argument was that the game Fonza would only get 1080p if connected to the cloud. This has always been, and is still objectively false.
 
2013-11-22 07:34:13 PM  

Luse: Aaaaand when I prove that both MS and Turn 10 claimed the cloud would give Forza 5 a boost you're back to the personal attacks. I'm sorry reality has such an anti-Elegy lean.

/no I'm not


Dude, first you come into this thread spouting lies about an offline Forza resolution drop. You got told you were wrong and you doubled down and insisted that what you said was true; myself and other people ridiculed you for believing such a stupid idea in the first place, and pointed out that every source we could find refuted what you were saying.

During the course being proven wrong, you said you never believed MS when they said the cloud would give a boost to games. "Just because Microsoft CLAIMS something does not make it true, unless you think all of their claims have been completely honest in the past," you said. "Not my fault if they spew bullshiat, then backtrack and I refuse to buy their new line of bullshiat hook line and sinker," you said.

Now you're insisting that the only reason you believed the original bullshiat you were spouting is because of all these things that Microsoft said about the power of the cloud led you to believe the internet trolls about the Forza framerate drop.......

At this point, there there really isn't much left BUT ridicule you. You've obviously incapable of logical, rational discussion. All you're going to do is whip out your dick and wave your tiny little hate boner around for the whole world to see.
 
2013-11-22 07:34:39 PM  

Luse: Dragonflew: Luse: Dragonflew: Luse:Everything I said was true. It gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing.

Luse: I'm the one making stupid claims.

Yeah, look one post up.

My post below it strongly seems to hint that there will be a 20% graphics hit when not online. This claim is made by Turn 10.
I know you're slow, but do try to keep up.


Christ, you're insufferable. I am still asking you to back up your claim that Forza "gets 1080p @ 60fps IF you have the cloud processing". With your "IF", you are saying Forza will not be 1080p unless you're online.
 
2013-11-22 07:35:06 PM  

stewbert: frepnog: Smelly McUgly: Smeggy Smurf: Meanwhile PC gaming laughs at your little toys

I PC game for some stuff (mostly Civ and RTS-style games, some platformers too), but I just prefer a console for most of my gaming. Probably this is because I grew up with an Atari joystick and then a NES controller in my hands.

I also like knowing that if I get a disc for my PS4, it will definitely run optimally. Sometimes, I'll download a game from Steam or GOG and it doesn't really run well at all. :(

what kills me here is sometimes there is no rhyme or reason to it.  The Swapper, for instance.  By all standards I can see, my machine should run that no issue.  Game REFUSES to run.  The Cave?  Runs great at 720, is a slideshow at 1080.  L4D 1 and 2?  LIKE BUTTER at 1080 (all steam).

Sorry to threadjack, but does Steam allow a refund if the game doesn't work (assuming your specs exceed what they require)? I've been thinking about getting a few games for my mid-grade laptop. I don't mind lower settings, but I gave up pc gaming after one too many games wouldn't play on my system.


As a matter of policy, Steam doesn't give refunds, but I've heard from some people that they've been able to have an exception made.
 
2013-11-22 07:37:32 PM  

stewbert: Sorry to threadjack, but does Steam allow a refund if the game doesn't work (assuming your specs exceed what they require)? I've been thinking about getting a few games for my mid-grade laptop. I don't mind lower settings, but I gave up pc gaming after one too many games wouldn't play on my system.


Its a mixed bag on refunds, I'm watching the fallout from X:  Rebirth's launch for instance and it looks like anyone who's played the game less then 10 hours and demands a refund more then once tends to get one.  There's at least one guy who's attempting to go the charge-back route but got pretty quiet after a few hours of boastful celebration.  The trouble with indie developers is they are all over the map in terms of good technique that brings out the performance of the quadmire of PC hardware, I tend to be sport high-end desktop hardware so I can usually murgle through it via brute force application of hardware but yah with a laptop you gotta pick your battles.

I think the best course would be don't pre-order and watch the steam forums for reactions to the game's performance before purchasing anything.
 
2013-11-22 07:40:49 PM  

Elegy: Luse: Aaaaand when I prove that both MS and Turn 10 claimed the cloud would give Forza 5 a boost you're back to the personal attacks. I'm sorry reality has such an anti-Elegy lean.

/no I'm not

Dude, first you come into this thread spouting lies about an offline Forza resolution drop. You got told you were wrong and you doubled down and insisted that what you said was true; myself and other people ridiculed you for believing such a stupid idea in the first place, and pointed out that every source we could find refuted what you were saying.

During the course being proven wrong, you said you never believed MS when they said the cloud would give a boost to games. "Just because Microsoft CLAIMS something does not make it true, unless you think all of their claims have been completely honest in the past," you said. "Not my fault if they spew bullshiat, then backtrack and I refuse to buy their new line of bullshiat hook line and sinker," you said.

Now you're insisting that the only reason you believed the original bullshiat you were spouting is because of all these things that Microsoft said about the power of the cloud led you to believe the internet trolls about the Forza framerate drop.......

At this point, there there really isn't much left BUT ridicule you. You've obviously incapable of logical, rational discussion. All you're going to do is whip out your dick and wave your tiny little hate boner around for the whole world to see.


That wasn't the only thing I said. The RM4FM model was also a part of the decision. Even if you discount what Microsoft has said, Turn 10 still said both that the cloud frees up 20% of the processor for graphics AND in a separate statement said that Forza 5's graphics couldn't be accomplished  without the cloud. Now take those 2 statements, put them together and you have a possible conclusion.
I said I was glad I held out. I am. Digital Foundry is obviously curious about this as well, as they will be running a test of both modes. I am waiting to see what they say. I've even asked all 3 of you douches to point to a test that was run offline. Instead you built strawmen because I said "Fark you Microsoft"
Farking corporate fanboys
 
2013-11-22 07:43:18 PM  

Luse: Turn 10 still said both that the cloud frees up 20% of the processor for graphics AND in a separate statement said that Forza 5's graphics couldn't be accomplished without the cloud. Now take those 2 statements, put them together and you have a possible conclusion.


My conclusion would be that Turn 10 is gargling MS's bawls in exchange for release spotlight publicity. ;)
 
2013-11-22 07:45:33 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Luse: Turn 10 still said both that the cloud frees up 20% of the processor for graphics AND in a separate statement said that Forza 5's graphics couldn't be accomplished without the cloud. Now take those 2 statements, put them together and you have a possible conclusion.

My conclusion would be that Turn 10 is gargling MS's bawls in exchange for release spotlight publicity. ;)


A good conclusion. I would imagine they wouldn't have to tho, being an exclusive and all. MS needs them as much, if not more than they need MS.
 
2013-11-22 08:09:24 PM  

Luse: AND in a separate statement said that Forza 5's graphics couldn't be accomplished  without the cloud.

Except that's Turn 10 never said what you are implying they said. Did you not watch or read the interview I linked? Turn 10 said that allowing MS to focus on the cloud freed them up to focus on making sure the game ran 1080p60.

I said I was glad I held out. I am. Digital Foundry is obviously curious about this as well, as they will be running a test of both modes. I am waiting to see what they say. I've even asked all 3 of you douches to point to a test that was run offline.


It's YOUR claim. YOU have to prove it. Especially considering I posted links that explicitly say that there is no framerate drop, and multiple people have said they can find no source that backs up your claims.

Farking corporate fanboys

That pretty farking rich, coming from someone who has been humiliated in this thread over a bullshiat claim that multiple people have said they have researched and found to be not true, and whose sole response has been to wharblegarble about how horrible Microsoft is. I suppose it never occurred to you that people are pushing back against your bullshiat not because they love Microsoft, but because your an idiot spouting idiot things that don't even hold up to a cursory examination

I'll tell you what: put your money where your mouth is and bet with me.

1 month of TF on the outcome of the Digital Foundry tests that you say are happening.
I win if Forza stays in 1080p in offline mode.
You win if Forza drops to 720p in offline mode.

Shouldn't be a problem, because you're so obviously correct, right? Like taking money from a baby even.
 
2013-11-22 08:10:05 PM  
Hey PC master race.  My prebuilt dell (Got it for a spiffy price) has a 460.0 watts power supply with a
AMD Radeon HD 7570 card. What would be a good suggestion for a beefier card that is fine for my power supply,
 
2013-11-22 08:17:15 PM  

Macfine: Hey PC master race.  My prebuilt dell (Got it for a spiffy price) has a 460.0 watts power supply with a
AMD Radeon HD 7570 card. What would be a good suggestion for a beefier card that is fine for my power supply,


That depends how much other bullshiat you're trying to plug into it.  Is it an AMD cpu?  Have a RAID array?  Do you want to stick with Radeon or move to a slightly more solvent company like Nvidia?

Anyway: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/279391-28-power-requirements-specs- p opular-graphic-cards-guide
 
2013-11-22 08:21:13 PM  
If you guys were going to rage over something, you could have at least raged at the fact that Turn 10 and Microsoft are allegedly selling some of their virtual cars for $100.
 
2013-11-22 08:22:11 PM  
intel I5 CPU , No Raid array. No brand loyalty at all, fine with Nvidia.

Or would it be more worth my time to just upgrade the psu too?
 
2013-11-22 08:22:13 PM  
I'll also add that the new Forza absolutely pisses all over their longtime fans.
 
2013-11-22 08:22:19 PM  

Macfine: Hey PC master race.  My prebuilt dell (Got it for a spiffy price) has a 460.0 watts power supply with a
AMD Radeon HD 7570 card. What would be a good suggestion for a beefier card that is fine for my power supply,


Honestly, with a 460W PSU (as long as it's reliably 460W), in an otherwise standard system (no RAID arrays or anything like that), I don't think you'll have a problem powering any single-GPU card you like.  So the question then, becomes, what's your budget?
 
2013-11-22 08:22:59 PM  

Elegy: Luse: AND in a separate statement said that Forza 5's graphics couldn't be accomplished  without the cloud.

Except that's Turn 10 never said what you are implying they said. Did you not watch or read the interview I linked? Turn 10 said that allowing MS to focus on the cloud freed them up to focus on making sure the game ran 1080p60.

I said I was glad I held out. I am. Digital Foundry is obviously curious about this as well, as they will be running a test of both modes. I am waiting to see what they say. I've even asked all 3 of you douches to point to a test that was run offline.

It's YOUR claim. YOU have to prove it. Especially considering I posted links that explicitly say that there is no framerate drop, and multiple people have said they can find no source that backs up your claims.

Farking corporate fanboys

That pretty farking rich, coming from someone who has been humiliated in this thread over a bullshiat claim that multiple people have said they have researched and found to be not true, and whose sole response has been to wharblegarble about how horrible Microsoft is. I suppose it never occurred to you that people are pushing back against your bullshiat not because they love Microsoft, but because your an idiot spouting idiot things that don't even hold up to a cursory examination

I'll tell you what: put your money where your mouth is and bet with me.

1 month of TF on the outcome of the Digital Foundry tests that you say are happening.
I win if Forza stays in 1080p in offline mode.
You win if Forza drops to 720p in offline mode.

Shouldn't be a problem, because you're so obviously correct, right? Like taking money from a baby even.


Please point out where I said I was certain that it does. All I said is I'm glad I waited as there's alot of bs coming out of both the developer and MS. Also, I can't take credit for the Digital Foundry test. Carth actually read what I said and was kind enough to offer the information. I am very curious what the result will be. I don't think it will drop to 720p to be honest, but I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't "locked at 60fps" either as some of the reviews claim. We shall see. Altho if it is a drop to 720p I can't wait to see the mental gymnastics.
 
2013-11-22 08:25:02 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Honestly, with a 460W PSU (as long as it's reliably 460W), in an otherwise standard system (no RAID arrays or anything like that), I don't think you'll have a problem powering any single-GPU card you like. So the question then, becomes, what's your budget


Budget up to 350 ish.  But I'd rather min max the price to benefit ratio.  If I can get something almost as good for noticeably less i'd prefer that.
 
2013-11-22 08:25:34 PM  

Glitchwerks: If you guys were going to rage over something, you could have at least raged at the fact that Turn 10 and Microsoft are allegedly selling some of their virtual cars for $100.


The funny thing is my original post mentioned that one of my big gripes was the RM4FM business model. Not sure of the costs involved, but fark that, the idea is offensive.
 
2013-11-22 08:33:28 PM  

Macfine: HeartBurnKid: Honestly, with a 460W PSU (as long as it's reliably 460W), in an otherwise standard system (no RAID arrays or anything like that), I don't think you'll have a problem powering any single-GPU card you like. So the question then, becomes, what's your budget

Budget up to 350 ish.  But I'd rather min max the price to benefit ratio.  If I can get something almost as good for noticeably less i'd prefer that.


Aim for the $200 card range then, the GTX760s and AMD 7870s are awful competitive and sport about 75% of the horse power of their much pricier bigger brothers.  I'm an team Nvidia person myself, I appreciate having fresh SLI profiles for the latest games within a few days of their release and drivers that come out more then once a season.  AMD has its strengths too, they're made by company with pretty names like Sapphire and PowerColor for instance.
 
2013-11-22 08:37:06 PM  

Macfine: Budget up to 350 ish. But I'd rather min max the price to benefit ratio. If I can get something almost as good for noticeably less i'd prefer that.


Actually something that needs to be asked though:  What particular Dell is yours?  Got a model number?  I only ask because it'd be a real shame to buy a double-slot wide card and find out the damned chassis can only physically fit a single slot card.  Also what's the age on the PSU?  460 is what its supposed to be working at right off the factory floor, over time they lose some of their luster.
 
2013-11-22 08:37:33 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Macfine: HeartBurnKid: Honestly, with a 460W PSU (as long as it's reliably 460W), in an otherwise standard system (no RAID arrays or anything like that), I don't think you'll have a problem powering any single-GPU card you like. So the question then, becomes, what's your budget

Budget up to 350 ish.  But I'd rather min max the price to benefit ratio.  If I can get something almost as good for noticeably less i'd prefer that.

Aim for the $200 card range then, the GTX760s and AMD 7870s are awful competitive and sport about 75% of the horse power of their much pricier bigger brothers.  I'm an team Nvidia person myself, I appreciate having fresh SLI profiles for the latest games within a few days of their release and drivers that come out more then once a season.  AMD has its strengths too, they're made by company with pretty names like Sapphire and PowerColor for instance.


Count me with team Nvidia. Switched to them when I built my last 2 boxes and never looked back. Much more stable as well.
 
2013-11-22 08:52:48 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Actually something that needs to be asked though: What particular Dell is yours? Got a model number? I only ask because it'd be a real shame to buy a double-slot wide card and find out the damned chassis can only physically fit a single slot card. Also what's the age on the PSU? 460 is what its supposed to be working at right off the factory floor, over time they lose some of their luster.


Rig will be a year in Feb. XPS 8500  is the model number. I wouldn't expect a double slot.
 
2013-11-22 09:10:13 PM  
Unboxed, hooked, and updated with no hiccups. Y'all take it easy, I gotta go see if killing zombies is fun or not.
 
2013-11-22 09:10:59 PM  

Macfine: BumpInTheNight: Actually something that needs to be asked though: What particular Dell is yours? Got a model number? I only ask because it'd be a real shame to buy a double-slot wide card and find out the damned chassis can only physically fit a single slot card. Also what's the age on the PSU? 460 is what its supposed to be working at right off the factory floor, over time they lose some of their luster.

Rig will be a year in Feb. XPS 8500  is the model number. I wouldn't expect a double slot.


Nifty, first impression of that case looks like it'd fit any size of card you'd want, considering the current 8500s sell with a 7870 installed I'd say its a safe bet you're good to go on that front.  Also since yours is less then a year old the PSU is likely in fine shape as well.  So if you wanted to burst out the full $350 you could go for the next higher tier of GTX770s or AMD7970s, they have about 90% of the horsepower of the biggest kids on the block who command the $500 price tags.
 
2013-11-22 09:14:20 PM  
i331.photobucket.com 10,000 tokens = $100

fark you, Turn 10.
 
2013-11-22 09:15:48 PM  

LavenderWolf: Disc drive? You mean people still... physically move data?


...yes.  Because my options are 'pay 60$ for a physical item with resale and/or trade-to-friend value, which I can obtain in the time it takes me to drive to the nearest retailer' vs. 'buy digital item for 60$ (no discount?!), spend 5-12 hours downloading it, have no loan or resale capability and then have to delete once I have done this X number of times and if I ever want to play it again pray the store is still up and my purchase is 'saved' and I don't lose my account somehow (as happened to me with the xbox)'.

Mostly it's the time thing. I want a game I want it now, not tomorrow.
 
2013-11-22 09:24:08 PM  

kroonermanblack: LavenderWolf: Disc drive? You mean people still... physically move data?

...yes.  Because my options are 'pay 60$ for a physical item with resale and/or trade-to-friend value, which I can obtain in the time it takes me to drive to the nearest retailer' vs. 'buy digital item for 60$ (no discount?!), spend 5-12 hours downloading it, have no loan or resale capability and then have to delete once I have done this X number of times and if I ever want to play it again pray the store is still up and my purchase is 'saved' and I don't lose my account somehow (as happened to me with the xbox)'.

Mostly it's the time thing. I want a game I want it now, not tomorrow.


I downloaded the 22GB AC4:  Black flag in two hours flat, no physical anything except a few mouse clicks.  With the way games and their serial keys are getting harnessed into platforms I'm not sure physical media will survive nor the re-sale concept so enjoy that while you can.  Personally I pay the price I want for a game without any inclusion of trying to pawn it off to friends or gamestop and the time sunk into such adventures either.

Plus if a digital store ever does go under (I've had that happen before with Direct2Drive) I can just yarrrrr it via torrents if its that dear to me.
 
2013-11-22 09:33:42 PM  

BumpInTheNight: kroonermanblack: LavenderWolf: Disc drive? You mean people still... physically move data?

...yes.  Because my options are 'pay 60$ for a physical item with resale and/or trade-to-friend value, which I can obtain in the time it takes me to drive to the nearest retailer' vs. 'buy digital item for 60$ (no discount?!), spend 5-12 hours downloading it, have no loan or resale capability and then have to delete once I have done this X number of times and if I ever want to play it again pray the store is still up and my purchase is 'saved' and I don't lose my account somehow (as happened to me with the xbox)'.

Mostly it's the time thing. I want a game I want it now, not tomorrow.

I downloaded the 22GB AC4:  Black flag in two hours flat, no physical anything except a few mouse clicks.  With the way games and their serial keys are getting harnessed into platforms I'm not sure physical media will survive nor the re-sale concept so enjoy that while you can.  Personally I pay the price I want for a game without any inclusion of trying to pawn it off to friends or gamestop and the time sunk into such adventures either.

Plus if a digital store ever does go under (I've had that happen before with Direct2Drive) I can just yarrrrr it via torrents if its that dear to me.


Your Black Flag download was 22GB?  Is that Xbox?  When I downloaded it for PS3 it was only around 8 gigs.
 
2013-11-22 09:34:11 PM  
Thanks to all the advice here , and given some of my own googling, I think I am going to probably go for a 770 and a new psu to be safe, going a bit over my original budget. Its Christmas, so it will be my present to myself this year I think. That should future proof me for this next console generation from what I see.
 
2013-11-22 09:39:02 PM  

lewismarktwo: Your Black Flag download was 22GB? Is that Xbox? When I downloaded it for PS3 it was only around 8 gigs.


PC, because Master Race and all :)  Playing this damn thing at 5760x1080 is ridiculous :D

Macfine: Thanks to all the advice here , and given some of my own googling, I think I am going to probably go for a 770 and a new psu to be safe, going a bit over my original budget. Its Christmas, so it will be my present to myself this year I think. That should future proof me for this next console generation from what I see.


Enjoy my friend, that caliber of card should do you well for many years to come.  I also agree about the PSU upgrade, 460 could technically cover the rest of the system plus the card at full tilt but Dell as with other OEMs is kinda notorious for buying from the cheapest supplier when it comes to unremarkable hardware like the PSU, better off getting something that you know has a wide berth of what it'll be asked to do vs what it can actually provide.
 
2013-11-22 09:42:29 PM  

BumpInTheNight: lewismarktwo: Your Black Flag download was 22GB? Is that Xbox? When I downloaded it for PS3 it was only around 8 gigs.

PC, because Master Race and all :)  Playing this damn thing at 5760x1080 is ridiculous :D


Nice.  Mouse and keyboard?
 
2013-11-22 09:44:56 PM  

Glitchwerks: I'll also add that the new Forza absolutely pisses all over their longtime fans.


Please detail how. Forza 5 is pretty much my main reason for considering an XB1, so I'd like to know if there's a problem with it.
 
2013-11-22 09:46:01 PM  

lewismarktwo: BumpInTheNight: lewismarktwo: Your Black Flag download was 22GB? Is that Xbox? When I downloaded it for PS3 it was only around 8 gigs.

PC, because Master Race and all :)  Playing this damn thing at 5760x1080 is ridiculous :D

Nice.  Mouse and keyboard?


Absolutely, but I'm honestly thinking of getting a 360 controller on black friday for this game and a few others, I find the AC series' control scheme to be the sort where I tend to just button mash until I've won or done whatever I needed to do and way more geared towards those controllers then the keyboard.
 
2013-11-22 09:48:31 PM  
*waves to Glitchwerks*
 
2013-11-22 09:54:55 PM  

Macfine: Thanks to all the advice here , and given some of my own googling, I think I am going to probably go for a 770 and a new psu to be safe, going a bit over my original budget. Its Christmas, so it will be my present to myself this year I think. That should future proof me for this next console generation from what I see.


Actually now that I remember it, if you go for I think the EVGA cards you get a few games free, AC4 was one of them for instance that a buddy got who just went with a few 780s and since he got two cards he gave me one set of the codes.  AC4, Splinter Cell:  Boooring and whatever the newest batman one is.
 
2013-11-22 10:56:05 PM  

BumpInTheNight: kroonermanblack: LavenderWolf: Disc drive? You mean people still... physically move data?

...yes.  Because my options are 'pay 60$ for a physical item with resale and/or trade-to-friend value, which I can obtain in the time it takes me to drive to the nearest retailer' vs. 'buy digital item for 60$ (no discount?!), spend 5-12 hours downloading it, have no loan or resale capability and then have to delete once I have done this X number of times and if I ever want to play it again pray the store is still up and my purchase is 'saved' and I don't lose my account somehow (as happened to me with the xbox)'.

Mostly it's the time thing. I want a game I want it now, not tomorrow.

I downloaded the 22GB AC4:  Black flag in two hours flat, no physical anything except a few mouse clicks.  With the way games and their serial keys are getting harnessed into platforms I'm not sure physical media will survive nor the re-sale concept so enjoy that while you can.  Personally I pay the price I want for a game without any inclusion of trying to pawn it off to friends or gamestop and the time sunk into such adventures either.

Plus if a digital store ever does go under (I've had that happen before with Direct2Drive) I can just yarrrrr it via torrents if its that dear to me.


Dude, this is a console thread, not a PC one, and it's pretty self evident that this was related strictly to consoles, but thanks for being extremely insulting.

Also, really, 22gig in 2 hours? 11 gig/hour download rate is hardly the normal for most Americans (no, I'm not accounting for wherever you are), for most people 22gig would take 5-10 hours or longer.  That's assuming the person isn't out in BFE or on nasty data caps, etc. where 22 gigs would kill their monthly cap or take a year or be impossible. These people are still able to play by purchasing the data on a physical medium and then applying updates via the network.

And 'pawning games off on friends', that's quite nice of you. I'm sure I've never given a friend a disc and said 'here, try this'.  Even with the restrictions you see on them, you can still play the base game. Most of the time it simply locks you out of online play (and I'd only care about those for BF4 which I'll buy for PC if I buy at all) or some release day DLC that while nice isn't integral to the story.

Let me know how pirating that PS4 game goes for you (yes, I'm well aware it's possible, but the vast majority of users aren't going to do it, if only because it often involves mod-chips, which take time, expertise, and money).

My concern about buying digitally through the PSN or XBL is that the market will simply pull legacy games at some point, whereas if I have the physical disc I can play it. Obviously that's 10+ years down the road, and I personally don't keep consoles that long. But let's look at the NES nostalgia wave that's popular with college kids. How's that going to work in 20-30 years when this generation of 5 year olds wants to be all retro and play some (ps4gamehere)? Digital download system for the consoles is gone and dead by that time, moved on to service the ps6, and legacy the ps5.  PC emulators? Not the same.

It's purely speculative, and the original topic was 'HERPDERP LOOK AT ME BEING CUTE AND MOCKING PEOPLE BUYING DISCS' ergo my response was 'Yes there are valid reasons to buy discs farktard'.

Personally I quit AC with 3. It wasn't fun, it was dull and tedious. The gameplay was lackluster and the story was boring as shiat and had a raging hardon for 'LOOK HOW farkING AWESOME THE AMERICAN PATRIOTS WERE!!!' that I was afraid a Teaparty guy was going to come to my door and want a handjob.  And I mostly play for the side missions and exploration and other stuff, and they just made that all tedious and boring as hell, for me. I got NY unlocked and decided it just wasn't interesting enough for me to keep playing.
 
2013-11-22 11:00:50 PM  

kroonermanblack: Dude, this is a console thread, not a PC one, and it's pretty self evident that this was related strictly to consoles, but thanks for being extremely insulting.

Also, really, 22gig in 2 hours? 11 gig/hour download rate is hardly the normal for most Americans (no, I'm not accounting for wherever you are), for most people 22gig would take 5-10 hours or longer. That's assuming the person isn't out in BFE or on nasty data caps, etc. where 22 gigs would kill their monthly cap or take a year or be impossible. These people are still able to play by purchasing the data on a physical medium and then applying updates via the network.

And 'pawning games off on friends', that's quite nice of you. I'm sure I've never given a friend a disc and said 'here, try this'. Even with the restrictions you see on them, you can still play the base game. Most of the time it simply locks you out of online play (and I'd only care about those for BF4 which I'll buy for PC if I buy at all) or some release day DLC that while nice isn't integral to the story.

Let me know how pirating that PS4 game goes for you (yes, I'm well aware it's possible, but the vast majority of users aren't going to do it, if only because it often involves mod-chips, which take time, expertise, and money).

My concern about buying digitally through the PSN or XBL is that the market will simply pull legacy games at some point, whereas if I have the physical disc I can play it. Obviously that's 10+ years down the road, and I personally don't keep consoles that long. But let's look at the NES nostalgia wave that's popular with college kids. How's that going to work in 20-30 years when this generation of 5 year olds wants to be all retro and play some (ps4gamehere)? Digital download system for the consoles is gone and dead by that time, moved on to service the ps6, and legacy the ps5. PC emulators? Not the same.

It's purely speculative, and the original topic was 'HERPDERP LOOK AT ME BEING CUTE AND MOCKING PE ...


TL;DR, Lulz!
 
2013-11-22 11:05:33 PM  

Dragonflew: ZeroCorpse: It's absolutely stupid to be a guinea pig sucker and beta test the new consoles

Your insults are getting really old and tired. Like I said before, some of us like to watch something grow from its infancy, and have a lot of fun doing so.


Are you really such a thin-skinned, delicate little flower that you take my general comments about MY opinion on early adopting  personally?

I owned every console at launch until this cycle. I finally learned my lesson with the XBox 360 and PS3. I'm just passing on my wisdom, and yes, that means I was a guinea pig and a sucker until recently.

Buy what you want, but if you come back here in the next year complaining of a BLOD or some other issue, don't expect a lot of sympathy. It absolutely IS smarter to wait for consoles to work out their bugs these days and build up a library worth playing.

Enjoy the trickle of games if it's what gets you off. I got bored with it around the PS2/Xbox launch and first year, and absolutely sick of it with the PS3/Xbox 360 launch and first year.

Jeez, gamers can be so clannish and defensive. Get over it. I don't think it's smart to buy at launch, but if it give you your jollies, don't let me hurt your feelings, kiddo.
 
2013-11-22 11:08:18 PM  

BumpInTheNight: lewismarktwo: BumpInTheNight: lewismarktwo: Your Black Flag download was 22GB? Is that Xbox? When I downloaded it for PS3 it was only around 8 gigs.

PC, because Master Race and all :)  Playing this damn thing at 5760x1080 is ridiculous :D

Nice.  Mouse and keyboard?

Absolutely, but I'm honestly thinking of getting a 360 controller on black friday for this game and a few others, I find the AC series' control scheme to be the sort where I tend to just button mash until I've won or done whatever I needed to do and way more geared towards those controllers then the keyboard.


The 360 controller for Windows is a great choice. Games these days are often made to use it natively. It beats the hell out of playing Assassin's Creed with mouse & keyboard on your couch!
 
2013-11-23 12:12:02 AM  

Luse: Elegy: Luse: Glad I held out. The only title that really interested me was Forza, and now it's got the RM4FM model and can't even give me 1080p? Fark you Microsoft.

Something about this post smells ignorant and uninformed.....

Yes, the claim is they can give me 1080p at 60 FPS due to the new Cloud Processing. I've yet to see their cloud processing as anything more than a gimick, it will probably be tied into the Gold account so in addition to buying the game, I would have to also get a gold account, and then spend real money in the game. Fark that.



Crimson dragon is one example of the cloud aspect, apparently it was quite difficult, tedious and getting upgrades was a lesson in hell. With the power of the cloud instead of waiting for patches they re able to leverage that to fix those issues

http://www.gamezone.com/news/2013/11/21/crimson-dragon-developer-reb al ancing-game-via-xbox-one-s-cloud-for-launch-tomorrow
 
2013-11-23 12:18:04 AM  

Old enough to know better: Sitting here watching VGA's launch day webcast. Setting up the Kinect has been an epic fail so far.



Epic fail? How so? I had zero issues with setup, I don't know all the commands but its very responsive and fast and playing Kinect rivals there didn't seem to be any lag, it was very fluid.


Works well in the dark and ī don't need to stand a football field away to get t to work
 
2013-11-23 01:12:59 AM  

Dragonflew: olapbill: Dragonflew: kroonermanblack: He's just looking for a reason to tell us why his purchase of a 400$ touch tablet is 'smarter' than buying a console when he already has a gaming rig, a console, a smart phone, and I'm assuming another laptop and iPad.

You should have seen it a couple of years ago when his PSP was better than anything at everything.

On  that note, the Vita that has been getting not much use up until now is getting used daily now for remote play to my PS4.  It's pretty damn cool.

I only have the PSP, so I am missing out on that bit.


There's a PS4/VITA bundle coming in Dec, so there's something you might want to look into.
 
2013-11-23 01:16:40 AM  
Got my XB1, and when it restarted after the day one patch it told me the update didn't work. I left it on that menu, and while looking up a solution it just started working. No issues since, and I've been having a blast with DR3.
 
2013-11-23 01:37:20 AM  

sirgrim: AdamK: well, technically it's going better because Xbox Live hasn't crashed and burned like PSN did for a weekend

Or for 3 months, even bringing down Netflix access.


Wrong on all counts.
1) Xbox Live was down for a weekend in Dec 2007, and the most recent shutdown was for a day on Sept 2012.

2) The PSN outage lasted from April 20 to May 15, which is 3 weeks, not 3 months.

3) PS3 owners were able to use Netflix during the outage, the just had to try signing in a few times to access Netflix.
 
2013-11-23 01:59:51 AM  

kroonermanblack: Personally I quit AC with 3. It wasn't fun, it was dull and tedious. The gameplay was lackluster and the story was boring as shiat and had a raging hardon for 'LOOK HOW farkING AWESOME THE AMERICAN PATRIOTS WERE!!!' that I was afraid a Teaparty guy was going to come to my door and want a handjob.  And I mostly play for the side missions and exploration and other stuff, and they just made that all tedious and boring as hell, for me. I got NY unlocked and decided it just wasn't interesting enough for me to keep playing.


Did you actually finish the game? The side missions were the best part, and that's where you got to see the parts of Connor's personality that everyone complained wasn't there. As for the "AMERICA! F*CK YEAH!" thing - if that's what you took away from the game, you weren't paying attention. The story showed that both sides were assholes; the US Congress sold Connor's tribal land to pay war debts, even after promising to let them have it back after Charles Lee had burned it down, and some of the people on the American side were just as bad, if not more so than the British.
 
2013-11-23 02:38:36 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Nah. That's just what the PS4 fan boyz are telling each other to boost their morale after such poor judgement in console selection.


We were told in the previous threads that a 1% failure rate was a crime against humanity and that SOny's executives should be drug out in the streets and shot.
 
2013-11-23 03:33:23 AM  

Lanadapter: olapbill: ManateeGag: AdamK:
-great controller comfort
-non gimmicky premise

based on these 2, this has to be a troll.

-interesting online community  ... or counting to potato based on this one.

Despite it's size it's actually one of the most comfortable controllers I've used.

/has used controllers for PlayStation, 360, and Genesis in addition to all Nintendo consoles


I skipped out on the X360/PS3 generation (as nearly all of the good games ended up on PC as well), but I did get a WiiU. I was surprised how farking comfortable that controller is; I thought it'd be awkward (and it is awkward to switch your attention back and forth) but I could use it forever.
 
2013-11-23 04:36:09 AM  
I would not even consider buying an XBoxOne because of the mere fact that Microsoft TRIED to include the always online and no used games features.

That, and Windows 8, convince me that the company is bad, and can fark right off forever.

Yes, I realize that always online and no used games are where we will end up eventually anyway, but I don't care about that right now. Microsoft was the first to try to do it with a console. Goodbye forever, dipshiats.
 
2013-11-23 04:41:00 AM  

doczoidberg: I would not even consider buying an XBoxOne because of the mere fact that Microsoft TRIED to include the always online and no used games features.


And you have to have an Xbox Live account to use Skype, the streaming app even though currently the ability to stream your own game play is disabled (MS Says it'll be ready in the first part of next year) and a bunch of other stuff that has nothing to do with Microsoft.
 
2013-11-23 05:23:24 AM  
Begoggle:
img.fark.net

Still works great.
Better games, too.


HA! That design is just a total ripof of the Xbone, but in white No wonder nintendo will loose

When do they even release it?
 
2013-11-23 08:35:59 AM  

FuryOfFirestorm: kroonermanblack: Personally I quit AC with 3. It wasn't fun, it was dull and tedious. The gameplay was lackluster and the story was boring as shiat and had a raging hardon for 'LOOK HOW farkING AWESOME THE AMERICAN PATRIOTS WERE!!!' that I was afraid a Teaparty guy was going to come to my door and want a handjob.  And I mostly play for the side missions and exploration and other stuff, and they just made that all tedious and boring as hell, for me. I got NY unlocked and decided it just wasn't interesting enough for me to keep playing.

Did you actually finish the game? The side missions were the best part, and that's where you got to see the parts of Connor's personality that everyone complained wasn't there. As for the "AMERICA! F*CK YEAH!" thing - if that's what you took away from the game, you weren't paying attention. The story showed that both sides were assholes; the US Congress sold Connor's tribal land to pay war debts, even after promising to let them have it back after Charles Lee had burned it down, and some of the people on the American side were just as bad, if not more so than the British.


I think it's a safe bet to say that no, I didn't finish the game, since I said I didn't.  I didn't enjoy it, I didn't give two shiats about the story, the side mission mechanics were tedious and not enjoyable, the exploration was 'run 40 minutes in this direction because there aren't fast travel points and then have to be completely retarded to not see the 'hidden' cave''.

I basically enjoyed nothing about the game except the over-arcing story of Desmond, and those required me to muddle through 5-10 hours of bullshiat in revolutionary america for a 10 minute sliver.  I have no plans to buy any of the series going forward, because it's going places I don't like or enjoy. It's pretty simple.
 
2013-11-23 09:04:39 AM  

Decillion: hammer85: Surool: hammer85: I notice a distinct lack of frepnog in this thread.  Unsurprising.

Now who will explain to us that XBone failures don't matter, but PS4 failures count twice as much? Who else is going to say less than a day's worth of XBone failures is all we get while a weeks worth of PS4 failures is the tip of the iceberg that will sink Sony?

I don't want to live in a world where this doesn't happen.

It may seem like trolling but it's kind of true. I'll break it down. For the Xbox Fanboys it's like getting a box a Crayola crayons with two crayons of the same colour. Not a big deal but goddamn it, this was supposed to be perfect after the 360 heat thing.

The Sony Fanboys are barely able to contain their combination of rage and embarrassment because their box of crayons are ALL blue and melted together. A bigger deal.  So far...


Jesus christ, shut the fark up.
 
2013-11-23 09:35:19 AM  

Keywork99: Decillion: hammer85: Surool: hammer85: I notice a distinct lack of frepnog in this thread.  Unsurprising.

Now who will explain to us that XBone failures don't matter, but PS4 failures count twice as much? Who else is going to say less than a day's worth of XBone failures is all we get while a weeks worth of PS4 failures is the tip of the iceberg that will sink Sony?

I don't want to live in a world where this doesn't happen.

It may seem like trolling but it's kind of true. I'll break it down. For the Xbox Fanboys it's like getting a box a Crayola crayons with two crayons of the same colour. Not a big deal but goddamn it, this was supposed to be perfect after the 360 heat thing.

The Sony Fanboys are barely able to contain their combination of rage and embarrassment because their box of crayons are ALL blue and melted together. A bigger deal.  So far...

Jesus christ, shut the fark up.



What does Jesus have to do with Sony fanboys?
 
2013-11-23 10:06:17 AM  

Keywork99: Decillion: hammer85: Surool: hammer85: I notice a distinct lack of frepnog in this thread.  Unsurprising.

Now who will explain to us that XBone failures don't matter, but PS4 failures count twice as much? Who else is going to say less than a day's worth of XBone failures is all we get while a weeks worth of PS4 failures is the tip of the iceberg that will sink Sony?

I don't want to live in a world where this doesn't happen.

It may seem like trolling but it's kind of true. I'll break it down. For the Xbox Fanboys it's like getting a box a Crayola crayons with two crayons of the same colour. Not a big deal but goddamn it, this was supposed to be perfect after the 360 heat thing.

The Sony Fanboys are barely able to contain their combination of rage and embarrassment because their box of crayons are ALL blue and melted together. A bigger deal.  So far...

Jesus christ, shut the fark up.


You are wasting your time, this is the same guy in the sony thread earlier that said there would be NO issues with the 360.

Personally I think both launches have been pretty smooth so far and people are freaking out out over a small amount of failures. Less than 1% failure rate is acceptable with new tech. Now if it reaches xbox 360 RROD proportions then people can be worried (although people were still buying up the 360 even with the issues).
 
2013-11-23 10:12:48 AM  
Luse gets a perfect 10 for epic trolling. Biting like dogs with rabies they are.
 
2013-11-23 10:33:47 AM  
In a bizarre twist, people are finding random test discs still in their new systems.

i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com

Someone should be glancing in these things before boxing 'em up or something.
 
2013-11-23 10:38:32 AM  

ZeroCorpse: Enjoy the trickle of games if it's what gets you off. I


Why not just play the games out on XB360, WiiU, PS3, or PC if there aren't enough games on XBO or PS4. I'd buy one to play Destiny anyway and I don't see a price drop happening before Feb.
 
2013-11-23 10:39:14 AM  

Electromax: In a bizarre twist, people are finding random test discs still in their new systems.

[i.imgur.com image 850x703]
[i.imgur.com image 850x1133]

[i.imgur.com image 850x1133]

Someone should be glancing in these things before boxing 'em up or something.


Whats up with the 360 test disc? I thought the xbone wasn't backwards compatible?
 
2013-11-23 10:51:22 AM  

chozo13: Electromax: In a bizarre twist, people are finding random test discs still in their new systems.

[i.imgur.com image 850x703]
[i.imgur.com image 850x1133]

[i.imgur.com image 850x1133]

Someone should be glancing in these things before boxing 'em up or something.

Whats up with the 360 test disc? I thought the xbone wasn't backwards compatible?


Not sure, saw those reported on neogaf. Maybe they included the last pic as a comparison or something, it's also dated 2010.
 
2013-11-23 11:21:57 AM  

Electromax: chozo13: Electromax: In a bizarre twist, people are finding random test discs still in their new systems.

[i.imgur.com image 850x703]
[i.imgur.com image 850x1133]

[i.imgur.com image 850x1133]

Someone should be glancing in these things before boxing 'em up or something.

Whats up with the 360 test disc? I thought the xbone wasn't backwards compatible?

Not sure, saw those reported on neogaf. Maybe they included the last pic as a comparison or something, it's also dated 2010.


just curious, question to those that know.

what do those discs do?  just test the hardware?
 
2013-11-23 11:29:18 AM  

frepnog: Electromax: chozo13: Electromax: In a bizarre twist, people are finding random test discs still in their new systems.

[i.imgur.com image 850x703]
[i.imgur.com image 850x1133]

[i.imgur.com image 850x1133]

Someone should be glancing in these things before boxing 'em up or something.

Whats up with the 360 test disc? I thought the xbone wasn't backwards compatible?

Not sure, saw those reported on neogaf. Maybe they included the last pic as a comparison or something, it's also dated 2010.

just curious, question to those that know.

what do those discs do?  just test the hardware?


With any luck they enable some enterprising young reverse engineer Norseman to remove the DRM and other assorted ills from Xbones.
 
2013-11-23 11:34:37 AM  

frepnog: Electromax: chozo13: Electromax: In a bizarre twist, people are finding random test discs still in their new systems.

[i.imgur.com image 850x703]
[i.imgur.com image 850x1133]

[i.imgur.com image 850x1133]

Someone should be glancing in these things before boxing 'em up or something.

Whats up with the 360 test disc? I thought the xbone wasn't backwards compatible?

Not sure, saw those reported on neogaf. Maybe they included the last pic as a comparison or something, it's also dated 2010.

just curious, question to those that know.

what do those discs do?  just test the hardware?


People have called them 'stress test' discs but the folks who had them said the Xbox won't run anything with them unless you have a USB security key thing plugged in as well. Probably just some diagnostics, yeah.
 
2013-11-23 11:56:58 AM  

kroonermanblack: FuryOfFirestorm: kroonermanblack: Personally I quit AC with 3. It wasn't fun, it was dull and tedious. The gameplay was lackluster and the story was boring as shiat and had a raging hardon for 'LOOK HOW farkING AWESOME THE AMERICAN PATRIOTS WERE!!!' that I was afraid a Teaparty guy was going to come to my door and want a handjob.  And I mostly play for the side missions and exploration and other stuff, and they just made that all tedious and boring as hell, for me. I got NY unlocked and decided it just wasn't interesting enough for me to keep playing.

Did you actually finish the game? The side missions were the best part, and that's where you got to see the parts of Connor's personality that everyone complained wasn't there. As for the "AMERICA! F*CK YEAH!" thing - if that's what you took away from the game, you weren't paying attention. The story showed that both sides were assholes; the US Congress sold Connor's tribal land to pay war debts, even after promising to let them have it back after Charles Lee had burned it down, and some of the people on the American side were just as bad, if not more so than the British.

I think it's a safe bet to say that no, I didn't finish the game, since I said I didn't.  I didn't enjoy it, I didn't give two shiats about the story, the side mission mechanics were tedious and not enjoyable, the exploration was 'run 40 minutes in this direction because there aren't fast travel points and then have to be completely retarded to not see the 'hidden' cave''.

I basically enjoyed nothing about the game except the over-arcing story of Desmond, and those required me to muddle through 5-10 hours of bullshiat in revolutionary america for a 10 minute sliver.  I have no plans to buy any of the series going forward, because it's going places I don't like or enjoy. It's pretty simple.


Asscreed 3 pretty much killed my interest in that series... i get why people would be hyped for asscreed 4 because it's barely got anything to do with the previous game other than boats, but holy hell... that was a really really bad game, and i think ubisoft should just kill the franchise and start a pirate franchise
 
2013-11-23 12:20:43 PM  
So is it The One Who Knocks?
 
2013-11-23 12:58:16 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Macfine: HeartBurnKid: Honestly, with a 460W PSU (as long as it's reliably 460W), in an otherwise standard system (no RAID arrays or anything like that), I don't think you'll have a problem powering any single-GPU card you like. So the question then, becomes, what's your budget

Budget up to 350 ish.  But I'd rather min max the price to benefit ratio.  If I can get something almost as good for noticeably less i'd prefer that.

Aim for the $200 card range then, the GTX760s and AMD 7870s are awful competitive and sport about 75% of the horse power of their much pricier bigger brothers.  I'm an team Nvidia person myself, I appreciate having fresh SLI profiles for the latest games within a few days of their release and drivers that come out more then once a season.  AMD has its strengths too, they're made by company with pretty names like Sapphire and PowerColor for instance.


Have to agree with this. That's probably where your price/performance sweet spot is.
 
2013-11-23 04:22:07 PM  
Happy to report that my shiat seems to be working perfectly. I got it after work yesterday and got it all set up with dead rising and forza installed. No hiccups. I have also discovered I still suck at video games in general. I won't use the voice stuff that much except for two things. Xbox pause and xbox play which works just perfectly every time. Very nice on the Netflix etc.
 
2013-11-23 05:51:50 PM  

INeedAName: I'll admit, instead of jumping in on this new wave, I'm thinking of just spending a few hundred on a new tower. Though I'm not sure there are currently any games out there that I actually care about, which is a really sad place to be in.


Take a look at emulation.  I have, quite literally, ever NES, SNES, Master System and Megadrive game.  A large selection of N64 games, every Atari ST game.

About 4 - 5Gb total for the lot and I'm hardly ever at a loss for a game to play.  It also means I don't really need a massively powerful computer to do it; my ikkle i5 can easily do a Wii.
 
2013-11-23 08:55:03 PM  

Vaneshi: INeedAName: I'll admit, instead of jumping in on this new wave, I'm thinking of just spending a few hundred on a new tower. Though I'm not sure there are currently any games out there that I actually care about, which is a really sad place to be in.

Take a look at emulation.  I have, quite literally, ever NES, SNES, Master System and Megadrive game.  A large selection of N64 games, every Atari ST game.

About 4 - 5Gb total for the lot and I'm hardly ever at a loss for a game to play.  It also means I don't really need a massively powerful computer to do it; my ikkle i5 can easily do a Wii.


I'll add that I have boxes and boxes of cartridges for all of the above that I'll probably ebay at some point and replace with emulation.
 
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