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(Washington Post)   Now that Obama's destruction of the filibuster has swept away the last vestiges of the Old Republic and brought the Imperial Senate into line, what will this mean for his second-term policies?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 96
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2013-11-22 08:04:45 AM
He may be able to fill some empty positions and have the government at least on the path towards being functional by the time he's out of office?
 
2013-11-22 08:08:30 AM
Nothing because this has no bearing on non-confirmation votes?
 
2013-11-22 08:20:40 AM
Destruction of the filibuster? Subby sounds like he needs a civics class.
 
2013-11-22 08:28:00 AM
Considering that it was Reid not Obama that put this forward, and it has nothing to do with non-confirmation votes, I'm going to assume that it will mean that some positions will get filled with a bit more haste, and the Congress might actually have some time to do the job that they've been dragging their feet about. Judges will be confirmed, jobs left empty will go forward, and the government that so many hate will actually continue?
 
2013-11-22 08:30:44 AM
More donuts for all?
 
2013-11-22 08:44:24 AM
Shut up, GOP. I'm sure you'll find other ways to obstruct the functioning of the government and undermine anything that might be good for the country. Asshats.
 
2013-11-22 08:45:05 AM
thechive.files.wordpress.com

Amateurs...
 
2013-11-22 08:45:58 AM
Dammit. Wrong thread...
 
2013-11-22 08:46:27 AM
We get it subs ..... he's half black
 
2013-11-22 08:51:05 AM

hubiestubert: Dammit. Wrong thread...


Meh...it's loosely turtle-related.
 
2013-11-22 09:29:32 AM
I love the Republican talking point:

"power grab in order to try to advance the Obama administration's regulatory agenda"


Jeez, you'd think he'd won an election or something.
 
2013-11-22 09:29:52 AM
ok, GOP, if removing the filibuster for appointments is so bad, why don't you pledge to reinstate it if you gain the majority?

what's that?

*crickets*

yeah, that's what i thought.
 
2013-11-22 09:29:53 AM
What an arrogant nigBONG, it's like he thinks he won an election by a huge electoral margin or something.
 
2013-11-22 09:30:29 AM

hubiestubert: [thechive.files.wordpress.com image 500x471]

Amateurs...


cdn01.dailycaller.com
 
2013-11-22 09:31:42 AM
I wonder if we'll get an ATF head position filled.
 
2013-11-22 09:32:09 AM
The GOP can get back to their overriding goal of jobs denying Obama's reelection?

/my dad thinks this is a setup for Obama grabbing a third term of office
//I'm skipping Thanksgiving dinner this year
 
2013-11-22 09:33:36 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-22 09:33:45 AM

JolobinSmokin: I wonder if we'll get an ATF head position filled.


actually that was just filled last week, i think. after seven years. crazy, huh.
 
2013-11-22 09:34:49 AM
More Edward Snowdens and Chelsea Mannings?
 
2013-11-22 09:34:50 AM

hubiestubert: Considering that it was Reid not Obama that put this forward, and it has nothing to do with non-confirmation votes, I'm going to assume that it will mean that some positions will get filled with a bit more haste, and the Congress might actually have some time to do the job that they've been dragging their feet about. Judges will be confirmed, jobs left empty will go forward, and the government that so many hate will actually continue?


Nuh-uh, Obama belongs to the same party and thus has all the same beliefs, and he's the President and therefore the mastermind before this whole thing.
 
2013-11-22 09:35:39 AM

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 735x493]


GAAHHHHHHH, DUDE, It's too early for that.  I JUST started my first cup of coffee.
 
2013-11-22 09:35:42 AM

Arkanaut: hubiestubert: Considering that it was Reid not Obama that put this forward, and it has nothing to do with non-confirmation votes, I'm going to assume that it will mean that some positions will get filled with a bit more haste, and the Congress might actually have some time to do the job that they've been dragging their feet about. Judges will be confirmed, jobs left empty will go forward, and the government that so many hate will actually continue?

Nuh-uh, Obama belongs to the same party and thus has all the same beliefs, and he's the President and therefore the mastermind before this whole thing.



Er, that should be "behind".  I have outderped myself.
 
2013-11-22 09:35:58 AM

FlashHarry: JolobinSmokin: I wonder if we'll get an ATF head position filled.

actually that was just filled last week, i think. after seven years. crazy, huh.


The main speaking points about gun regulations by the NRA is that the Government should be enforcing the rules already on the books, while the simultaneously do everything possible to block them from doing that.
 
2013-11-22 09:37:05 AM
a.disquscdn.com
 
2013-11-22 09:38:53 AM
Lighter dockets for some federal court judges?
 
2013-11-22 09:41:18 AM
The filibuster is an anachronism - as witnessed by the fact that they don't take the trouble to actually do it anymore.
They should ban it altogether, unless the parties are willing to actually take and hold the floor, and keep talking. It should be hard and unpleasant to do, so that people will only do it when it's worth doing, and not just out of pettiness.
 
2013-11-22 09:44:52 AM
He can finally fill some of the vacancies of the regional governors? Once those are filled then he can disband the senate!
 
2013-11-22 09:45:20 AM
Obama's legions have certainly crossed the Rubicon.

imageshack.us

RIP RUBICON

 
2013-11-22 09:48:09 AM

Aar1012: He can finally fill some of the vacancies of the regional governors? Once those are filled then he can disband the senate!


It's dissolve the Senate. I know that word now, because for years as a kid I took the line literally and thought the Emperor had disintegrated the senators.
 
2013-11-22 09:48:17 AM
OH NOS! A majority in the Senate can pass things now, NOOOOOOOOOO!

Wow, the right wing whining is hilarious. What's the debate? Majority rule? The fact that there's a black president? The fact that Republicans are the minority party and are losing power?

Republicans: Get some winning ideas, and maybe (just maybe) people will vote for you.
 
2013-11-22 09:48:18 AM
When does the zombie apocalypse occur?
 
MFK
2013-11-22 09:49:31 AM

jso2897: The filibuster is an anachronism - as witnessed by the fact that they don't take the trouble to actually do it anymore.
They should ban it altogether, unless the parties are willing to actually take and hold the floor, and keep talking. It should be hard and unpleasant to do, so that people will only do it when it's worth doing, and not just out of pettiness.


THIS.^^^^

for the love of all that is holy, THIS.

How did we get to a point where these guys do all this work to put together legislation only to have one douchebag raise his hand and say "filibuster!" and everyone just shrugs their shoulders and says "oh well."?
 
2013-11-22 09:49:59 AM

Red_October: [a.disquscdn.com image 640x452]


0/10 no credit for effort, Rand Paul.
 
2013-11-22 09:50:31 AM
wickedstageact2.typepad.com
Thanks, Obama.
 
2013-11-22 09:50:36 AM
www.yourprops.com
 
2013-11-22 09:51:33 AM

jso2897: The filibuster is an anachronism - as witnessed by the fact that they don't take the trouble to actually do it anymore.
They should ban it altogether, unless the parties are willing to actually take and hold the floor, and keep talking. It should be hard and unpleasant to do, so that people will only do it when it's worth doing, and not just out of pettiness.


I can see the requirement for the minority to be able to stall the passage of certain types of legislation.  For instance legislation that was not campaigned on which sorta bypassed the democratic process (no mandate) or legislation that has some type of irreversible effect.

Extending debate and raising public attention to a matter before a Senate vote, makes sense.  Just blocking everything for shtis and giggles makes no sense.

Reid exercised just enough discretion to stop the complete GOP insanity right now.
 
2013-11-22 09:52:48 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: Nothing because this has no bearing on non-confirmation votes?


Didn't you hear? Republicans say this mean they may not cooperate with Obama's legislative agenda. Crazy, I know.
 
2013-11-22 09:54:13 AM
It means the Tea Partiers can turn the derp down to 10.5?


financialcryptography.com
 
2013-11-22 09:54:25 AM

hubiestubert: Amateurs...


You like turtles?
 
2013-11-22 10:01:40 AM

Red_October: [a.disquscdn.com image 640x452]


it figures that you nuts would equate restoring the constitutionally mandated majority rule of the senate to the apocalypse.
 
2013-11-22 10:03:49 AM
I love how conservatives don't realize that equating everything Obama does with a complete collapse of society makes them appear completely insane.

Please proceed.
 
2013-11-22 10:04:43 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: [www.yourprops.com image 850x554]


I don't get it :(
 
2013-11-22 10:08:54 AM
 I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further.

-- Rand Paul
 
2013-11-22 10:09:54 AM

jso2897: The filibuster is an anachronism - as witnessed by the fact that they don't take the trouble to actually do it anymore.
They should ban it altogether, unless the parties are willing to actually take and hold the floor, and keep talking. It should be hard and unpleasant to do, so that people will only do it when it's worth doing, and not just out of pettiness.


They should also require that the filibusters talk only regarding the nominee/bill they are speaking about.  The idea is that we want the minority party to explain with as much time as they feel they need why they are opposing the bill/nominee in order to convince others to vote against the bill based on the arguments they hear.  It's not about reading Green Eggs and Ham, knowing that it has zip all to do with the bill being filibustered.
 
2013-11-22 10:10:08 AM

jso2897: The filibuster is an anachronism - as witnessed by the fact that they don't take the trouble to actually do it anymore.They should ban it altogether, unless the parties are willing to actually take and hold the floor, and keep talking. It should be hard and unpleasant to do, so that people will only do it when it's worth doing, and not just out of pettiness.



As Tom Harkin pointed out yesterday, such plans are and have been in the works for a long time. And it made a Fark thread alongside this one:

TPM: Merkley told TPM he "absolutely" wants to go further and enact his proposal to change the rules of the Senate for passing legislation. It would end the first of two opportunities for a minority to block bills, by scrapping the 60-vote threshold for the "motion to proceed" and, on final passage, require 41 senators to hold the floor and take turns speaking ceaselessly until one side gives in.

This  would make it equally painful for all sides, and should be a litmus test for anyone seeking genuine reform. I have no problems with Republican filibusters or Democratic ones, so long as they are composed of genuine effort and conviction. This makes that happen. Or a comparable effort like Harkin talked about yesterday requiring fewer and fewer votes each day to overcome.
 
2013-11-22 10:10:53 AM

raerae1980: Zeb Hesselgresser: [www.yourprops.com image 850x554]

I don't get it :(


The 3 seashells from demolition man. Not sure how they apply... maybe Zeb thinks Obama is wiping his ass with the constitution, instead of the traditional seashells?
 
2013-11-22 10:11:24 AM

FlashHarry: Red_October: [a.disquscdn.com image 640x452]

it figures that you nuts would equate restoring the constitutionally mandated majority rule of the senate to the apocalypse.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-22 10:13:29 AM

FlashHarry: Red_October: [a.disquscdn.com image 640x452]

it figures that you nuts would equate restoring the constitutionally mandated majority rule of the senate to the apocalypse.


img.fark.net
 
2013-11-22 10:14:19 AM

RyogaM: jso2897: The filibuster is an anachronism - as witnessed by the fact that they don't take the trouble to actually do it anymore.
They should ban it altogether, unless the parties are willing to actually take and hold the floor, and keep talking. It should be hard and unpleasant to do, so that people will only do it when it's worth doing, and not just out of pettiness.

They should also require that the filibusters talk only regarding the nominee/bill they are speaking about.  The idea is that we want the minority party to explain with as much time as they feel they need why they are opposing the bill/nominee in order to convince others to vote against the bill based on the arguments they hear.  It's not about reading Green Eggs and Ham, knowing that it has zip all to do with the bill being filibustered.


Isn't that the rule in that haven of ultra-liberal commies, Texas?
 
2013-11-22 10:14:39 AM

raerae1980: Zeb Hesselgresser: [www.yourprops.com image 850x554]

I don't get it :(


i.imgur.com
 
2013-11-22 10:15:19 AM
Maybe we'll get to see the most liberal socialist ever elected do some libby socialist things.

A boy can dream.

/why are conservatives afraid all of the time?
 
2013-11-22 10:16:58 AM

KyngNothing: raerae1980: Zeb Hesselgresser: [www.yourprops.com image 850x554]

I don't get it :(

The 3 seashells from demolition man. Not sure how they apply... maybe Zeb thinks Obama is wiping his ass with the constitution, instead of the traditional seashells?


I thought Muslims wiped with their bare left hand?
 
2013-11-22 10:20:44 AM
Fear will keep the local systems in line
 
2013-11-22 10:21:05 AM

T-Servo: Isn't that the rule in that haven of ultra-liberal commies, Texas?


That's what I gleaned from the filibuster from the lady whose name escapes me.  The were really technical/anal about it, too.  But, I agree it's makes sense as it fulfills the rational for the filibuster.
 
2013-11-22 10:25:07 AM

FlashHarry: Red_October: [a.disquscdn.com image 640x452]

it figures that you nuts would equate restoring the constitutionally mandated majority rule of the senate to the apocalypse.


It's not even complete majority rule. It's only for Presidential appointments.

You know, that thing that is part of the Constitutional DUTY of the President and the Senate should never have had the right to interfere with at all? That thing?
 
2013-11-22 10:31:08 AM
How about: Nothing. As the filibuster change only affect appointments, not legislation.
 
2013-11-22 10:31:32 AM
Obama's?

I know Katrina and the 2008 recession are, but even if he benefits from it now, how is this suddenly HIS?
 
2013-11-22 10:40:14 AM
Lots of regulatory actions and prosecutions are being held up by the judicial emergencies across the nation. This will end that. Those of you saying that it will have no impact on his policies are wrong. Especially the D.C. Circuit is huge - with senior status judges, it's been heavily Republican. Now these three appointments will effectively cancel out three senior status judges and swing the court to be slightly left.

One of Obama's policy goals is to fix the judiciary. This will make that possible.
 
2013-11-22 10:41:19 AM

Red_October: [a.disquscdn.com image 640x452]


I freaking love it hahahaha
 
2013-11-22 10:42:05 AM

Testiclaw: Maybe we'll get to see the most liberal socialist ever elected do some libby socialist things.

A boy can dream.

/why are conservatives afraid all of the time?


Because the cure for fear is GUNS.
 
2013-11-22 10:47:14 AM

ToastmasterGeneral: Testiclaw: Maybe we'll get to see the most liberal socialist ever elected do some libby socialist things.

A boy can dream.

/why are conservatives afraid all of the time?

Because the cure for fear is GUNS.


Touché.
 
2013-11-22 10:51:01 AM

Somacandra: raerae1980: Zeb Hesselgresser: [www.yourprops.com image 850x554]

I don't get it :(

[i.imgur.com image 850x554]


You don't know how to use the three seashells?

/i think that's the line
//haven't seen it in awhile
 
2013-11-22 10:51:22 AM

incendi: He may be able to fill some empty positions and have the government at least on the path towards being functional by the time he's out of office?


Quelle horreur!
 
2013-11-22 10:51:50 AM
Very little, seeing as how they will filibuster every piece of legislation now, even the defense bills, out of spite.
 
2013-11-22 10:51:57 AM

MrBallou: Shut up, GOP. I'm sure you'll find other ways to obstruct the functioning of the government and undermine anything that might be good for the country. Asshats.


It's glaringly obvious that you have never studied how a representative republic functions.
 
2013-11-22 10:55:36 AM

RyogaM: They should also require that the filibusters talk only regarding the nominee/bill they are speaking about. The idea is that we want the minority party to explain with as much time as they feel they need why they are opposing the bill/nominee in order to convince others to vote against the bill based on the arguments they hear. It's not about reading Green Eggs and Ham, knowing that it has zip all to do with the bill being filibustered.


The problem is who gets to decide what's on topic? The Republicans in the Texas Senate used a similar state rule to force her to sit down and shut up for things like discussing a bill requiring mandatory sonograms before an abortion while filibustering a bill that would restrict abortion.

If you have a 60% majority required to vote on cloture but 50%+1 to vote on relevance, you've just created a de facto 50%+1 cloture vote.
 
2013-11-22 10:56:11 AM
Her being Wendy Davis. Derp.
 
2013-11-22 10:57:57 AM

GW_Diesel: MrBallou: Shut up, GOP. I'm sure you'll find other ways to obstruct the functioning of the government and undermine anything that might be good for the country. Asshats.

It's glaringly obvious that you have never studied how a representative republic functions.


(they below is the minority party or coalition in power)

They work towards a compromise that isn't perfect but is acceptable to both sides.

They don't purposely sabotage legislation with their requests, then not vote for it.

They don't make deals then back out on them time and time again and not expect repurcussions (I'm looking at you John Boehner and backing out of the deal that gave the GOP what they wanted in a budget, below the Democrats requests, because you wanted to try and repeal Obamacare through a government shutdown.)
 
2013-11-22 11:01:07 AM

meat0918: Very little, seeing as how they will filibuster every piece of legislation now, even the defense bills, out of spite.


This is a deviation from modern Senate Republican standard operating procedure in what way?
 
2013-11-22 11:04:39 AM

Moosecakes: Red_October: [a.disquscdn.com image 640x452]

I freaking love it hahahaha



I see Red October has an alt.
 
2013-11-22 11:04:57 AM

raerae1980: Zeb Hesselgresser: [www.yourprops.com image 850x554]

I don't get it :(


spectrumculture.com


. . .  navigating a strange new society where everything fun has been outlawed, for the good of the people.
On the surface, the world of San Angeles looks like a liberal hippie commune gone wrong, a nanny state of the type certain political groups warn us about regularly. The movie makes plenty of fun of the well-meaning blandness of the populace, all dull smiles and empty wishes.
 
2013-11-22 11:06:58 AM

FlashHarry: ok, GOP, if removing the filibuster for appointments is so bad, why don't you pledge to reinstate it if you gain the majority?

what's that?

*crickets*

yeah, that's what i thought.


On the contrary, if they regain power, they will discard all other supermajority requirements not directly required by the constitution.  There will be an outcry, and their response will be 'This is the same thing the democrats did only to a slightly different degree.'  And they won't be entirely wrong.  It was stupid for Reid to try to limit the gutting of the fillibuster to presidential appointments.  As soon as he touched that third rail, he should have gone all the way.
 
2013-11-22 11:10:05 AM
Now that Obama's Reid's destruction modifcation of the filibuster has swept away the last vestiges of the Old Republic jacksh*t and brought the Imperial Senate into line, Fox News to a frothing frenzy, what will this mean for his second-term policies?  black Friday shopping?

Edited for accuracy.
 
2013-11-22 11:10:14 AM

meat0918: Very little, seeing as how they will filibuster every piece of legislation now, even the defense bills, out of spite.


Well they might not want Reid to reform the filibuster rule further.  You know, the supernova/hydrogen bomb x a brazillion option.
 
2013-11-22 11:11:36 AM

Red_October: FlashHarry: Red_October: [a.disquscdn.com image 640x452]

it figures that you nuts would equate restoring the constitutionally mandated majority rule of the senate to the apocalypse.

[img.fark.net image 600x337]


Your tears are refreshing. MOAR.
 
2013-11-22 11:11:59 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: raerae1980: Zeb Hesselgresser: [www.yourprops.com image 850x554]

I don't get it :(

[spectrumculture.com image 220x340]


. . .  navigating a strange new society where everything fun has been outlawed, for the good of the people.
On the surface, the world of San Angeles looks like a liberal hippie commune gone wrong, a nanny state of the type certain political groups warn us about regularly. The movie makes plenty of fun of the well-meaning blandness of the populace, all dull smiles and empty wishes.


Judge Dredd, not Demolition Man.
 
2013-11-22 11:16:55 AM

Skleenar: Obama's legions have certainly crossed the Rubicon.

[imageshack.us image 426x461]RIP RUBICON


Cast McConnell and Boehner as Cato and Bibulus, and the similarities are quite similar.

Let's hope Biden becomes Augustus.
 
2013-11-22 11:18:29 AM

Tricky Chicken: FlashHarry: ok, GOP, if removing the filibuster for appointments is so bad, why don't you pledge to reinstate it if you gain the majority?

what's that?

*crickets*

yeah, that's what i thought.

On the contrary, if they regain power, they will discard all other supermajority requirements not directly required by the constitution.  There will be an outcry, and their response will be 'This is the same thing the democrats did only to a slightly different degree.'  And they won't be entirely wrong.  It was stupid for Reid to try to limit the gutting of the fillibuster to presidential appointments.  As soon as he touched that third rail, he should have gone all the way.



So, if someone uses a knife and cuts your arm, you should retaliate by stabbing them in the stomach multiple times, as they are the same thing, only to a slightly different degree. The penalty for both actions would therefore be the same.
*rolls eyes*

/also, this isn't kindergarten. "But, he did it to me first" isn't valid in politics.
 
2013-11-22 11:20:33 AM

Red_October: FlashHarry: Red_October: If I had a city, it would look like Detroit.



Actually, it would look a lot like Washington, DC.
 
2013-11-22 11:21:19 AM
The appropriate response to the problem of Republicans is execution in the public square.

They have nothing to cry about.
 
2013-11-22 11:27:21 AM

Red_October: [a.disquscdn.com image 640x452]


Good ol' Jon McNaughton got you covered:www.jonmcnaughton.com
 
2013-11-22 11:33:11 AM

GW_Diesel: MrBallou: Shut up, GOP. I'm sure you'll find other ways to obstruct the functioning of the government and undermine anything that might be good for the country. Asshats.

It's glaringly obvious that you have never studied how a representative republic functions.


I'll have you know I have a GED in Governation, and futhermore.

Cry moar. The world knows what the GOP is doing to America. Messaging doesn't erase the obvious.
 
2013-11-22 11:38:38 AM

Third Day Mark: Zeb Hesselgresser: raerae1980: Zeb Hesselgresser: [www.yourprops.com image 850x554]

I don't get it :(

[spectrumculture.com image 220x340]


. . .  navigating a strange new society where everything fun has been outlawed, for the good of the people.
On the surface, the world of San Angeles looks like a liberal hippie commune gone wrong, a nanny state of the type certain political groups warn us about regularly. The movie makes plenty of fun of the well-meaning blandness of the populace, all dull smiles and empty wishes.

Judge Dredd, not Demolition Man.


The fark?

Three sea shells and San Angeles are both from Demolition Man.
 
2013-11-22 11:45:15 AM

EighthDay: Third Day Mark: Zeb Hesselgresser: raerae1980: Zeb Hesselgresser: [www.yourprops.com image 850x554]

I don't get it :(

[spectrumculture.com image 220x340]


. . .  navigating a strange new society where everything fun has been outlawed, for the good of the people.
On the surface, the world of San Angeles looks like a liberal hippie commune gone wrong, a nanny state of the type certain political groups warn us about regularly. The movie makes plenty of fun of the well-meaning blandness of the populace, all dull smiles and empty wishes.

Judge Dredd, not Demolition Man.

The fark?

Three sea shells and San Angeles are both from Demolition Man.


I think he was implying Judge Dredd is the conservative future.
 
2013-11-22 11:49:54 AM

qorkfiend: meat0918: Very little, seeing as how they will filibuster every piece of legislation now, even the defense bills, out of spite.

This is a deviation from modern Senate Republican standard operating procedure in what way?


They don't filibuster Defense bills

mrshowrules: meat0918: Very little, seeing as how they will filibuster every piece of legislation now, even the defense bills, out of spite.

Well they might not want Reid to reform the filibuster rule further.  You know, the supernova/hydrogen bomb x a brazillion option.


Should be interesting.  Maybe he'll make them the old way everyone seems to remember, actually having to speak, not just file paperwork and then hit the bars.
 
2013-11-22 11:53:32 AM

Rixel: Red_October: [a.disquscdn.com image 640x452]

Good ol' Jon McNaughton got you covered:


Heh, that's actually pretty good. It's like he learned what subtlety is.
 
2013-11-22 12:05:50 PM

Rixel: Red_October: [a.disquscdn.com image 640x452]

Good ol' Jon McNaughton got you covered:[www.jonmcnaughton.com image 850x639]


He could have just painted an empty chair to save some time.
 
2013-11-22 12:09:43 PM

Rixel: Red_October: [a.disquscdn.com image 640x452]

Good ol' Jon McNaughton got you covered:[www.jonmcnaughton.com image 850x639]


He's the Michelangelo of derp.
 
2013-11-22 12:14:40 PM

Lord_Baull: Tricky Chicken: FlashHarry: ok, GOP, if removing the filibuster for appointments is so bad, why don't you pledge to reinstate it if you gain the majority?

what's that?

*crickets*

yeah, that's what i thought.

On the contrary, if they regain power, they will discard all other supermajority requirements not directly required by the constitution.  There will be an outcry, and their response will be 'This is the same thing the democrats did only to a slightly different degree.'  And they won't be entirely wrong.  It was stupid for Reid to try to limit the gutting of the fillibuster to presidential appointments.  As soon as he touched that third rail, he should have gone all the way.


So, if someone uses a knife and cuts your arm, you should retaliate by stabbing them in the stomach multiple times, as they are the same thing, only to a slightly different degree. The penalty for both actions would therefore be the same.
*rolls eyes*

/also, this isn't kindergarten. "But, he did it to me first" isn't valid in politics.


I don't think I commented on the morality of what I think they will do.  But I do stand by my prediction that they will do it, and their justification will be close to what I said.  Of course, there will be reactions much like your own, but they will be ignored.

Reid's attempt to make this less painful by limiting his relaxation is only limiting the options of his own party in the time between now and any future change of majority.  He is not limiting future republican actions, he is limiting his own current ones.
 
2013-11-22 12:30:21 PM

Lord_Baull: Tricky Chicken: FlashHarry: ok, GOP, if removing the filibuster for appointments is so bad, why don't you pledge to reinstate it if you gain the majority?

what's that?

*crickets*

yeah, that's what i thought.

On the contrary, if they regain power, they will discard all other supermajority requirements not directly required by the constitution.  There will be an outcry, and their response will be 'This is the same thing the democrats did only to a slightly different degree.'  And they won't be entirely wrong.  It was stupid for Reid to try to limit the gutting of the fillibuster to presidential appointments.  As soon as he touched that third rail, he should have gone all the way.

So, if someone uses a knife and cuts your arm, you should retaliate by stabbing them in the stomach multiple times, as they are the same thing, only to a slightly different degree. The penalty for both actions would therefore be the same.
*rolls eyes*

/also, this isn't kindergarten. "But, he did it to me first" isn't valid in politics.



I think you misread his comment.  I actually completely agree with Tricky Chicky.

First, what you believe should or should not be valid in politics is irrelevant.  I agree with you, that argument SHOULD not be valid but shiat like that is used all the goddamn time.  This is worse than kindergarten.  This is where you can just completely make shiat up and use that as your reason.  Death panels was a reason used in politics.  I think it's pretty clear anything goes here.

Second, his point was Harry Reid may as well have gone all in.  Harry Reid only took an inch.  You can be goddamn sure the Republicans are going to take a mile next time they are in power.  So Reid should have just taken the mile now and enjoyed it while he can.
 
2013-11-22 01:44:56 PM

meat0918: qorkfiend: meat0918: Very little, seeing as how they will filibuster every piece of legislation now, even the defense bills, out of spite.

This is a deviation from modern Senate Republican standard operating procedure in what way?

They don't filibuster Defense bills


They're welcome to start. I'm sure that will play well come election time.
 
2013-11-22 01:49:06 PM
It won't, because the rule change is only for executive nominees and the GOP will just continue to filibuster every one of his "policies" like they have for the past ~5 years anyway.
 
2013-11-22 01:53:50 PM

Rixel: Good ol' Jon McNaughton got you covered:


I wouldn't mind the intensely stupid content of his paintings if they weren't also so poorly executed. I mean, where exactly the fark is Obama's shoulder supposed to be?
 
2013-11-22 02:00:29 PM

incendi: wouldn't mind the intensely stupid content of his paintings if they weren't also so poorly executed. I mean, where exactly the fark is Obama's shoulder supposed to be?


Obviously, the painting should be flipped, because Obama is a huge left-winger.
 
2013-11-22 02:54:21 PM

grumpfuff: EighthDay: Third Day Mark: Zeb Hesselgresser: raerae1980: Zeb Hesselgresser: [www.yourprops.com image 850x554]

I don't get it :(

[spectrumculture.com image 220x340]


. . .  navigating a strange new society where everything fun has been outlawed, for the good of the people.
On the surface, the world of San Angeles looks like a liberal hippie commune gone wrong, a nanny state of the type certain political groups warn us about regularly. The movie makes plenty of fun of the well-meaning blandness of the populace, all dull smiles and empty wishes.

Judge Dredd, not Demolition Man.

The fark?

Three sea shells and San Angeles are both from Demolition Man.

I think he was implying Judge Dredd is the conservative future.


images2.dailykos.com

B-b-but I Am The Law!
 
2013-11-22 04:30:39 PM

grumpfuff: Somacandra: raerae1980: Zeb Hesselgresser: [www.yourprops.com image 850x554]

I don't get it :(

[i.imgur.com image 850x554]

You don't know how to use the three seashells?

/i think that's the line
//haven't seen it in awhile


right there with you. I remember the line, I remember it means he's dumb but that's all I get out of my think hole.
 
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